Francis Chan Freedom Quotes: Lukewarm People — "Lukewarm people call 'radical' what Jesus expected of ALL His followers." — "Lukewarm people feel secure because they attend church, made a profession of faith at age twelve, were baptized, come from a Christian family, vote Republican…" — More…

These are quotes by Francis Chan, probably all taken from chapter 4 of Crazy Love. I’m listening to the wonderful audio version, read by Francis, himself!
I thought Francis’ lukewarm list to be so exceptional that I’d share some of his points with you even if I had to transcribe them myself. Thankfully, I don’t have to.
This is my favorite:

Lukewarm people are moved by stories about people who do radical things for Christ, yet they do not act. They assume such action is for “extreme” Christians, not average ones. Lukewarm people call “radical” what Jesus expected of all His followers.

We don’t want to be among those whom our perfectly holy Father whom we can TOTALLY trust spits out of His mouth having squandered away our inheritance (Rev. 3:14-22). We want to safely and JOYFULLY rest in Him!
Life in the Son!

jeff

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaidsEzynWw]Ch 4 – Crazy Love by Francis Chan

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Excerpts from: markartrip.wordpress.com, emphasis mine

LUKEWARM PEOPLE-FRANCIS CHAN

3. Lukewarm people tend to choose what is popular over what is right when they are in conflict. They desire to fit in both at church and outside of church; they care more about what people think of their actions (like church attendance and giving) than what God thinks of their hearts and lives (Luke 6:26; Rev. 3:1; Matthew 23:5-7).

4.  Lukewarm people don’t really want to be saved from their sin; they want only to be saved from the penalty of their sin. They don’t genuinely hate sin and aren’t truly sorry for it; they’re merely sorry because God is going to punish them. Lukewarm people don’t really believe that this new life Jesus offers is better than the old sinful one (John 10:10; Romans 6:1-2).

5.  Lukewarm people are moved by stories about people who do radical things for Christ, yet they do not act. They assume such action is for “extreme” Christians, not average ones. Lukewarm people call “radical” what Jesus expected of all His followers (James 1:22; James 4:17; Matthew 21:28-31).

8.  Lukewarm people say they love Jesus, and He is, indeed, a part of their lives. But only a part. They give Him a section of their time, their money, and thoughts, but He isn’t allowed to control their lives (Luke 9:57-62).

9.  Lukewarm people love God, but they do not love Him with all their heart, soul, and strength. They would be quick to assure you that they try to love God that much, but that sort of total devotion isn’t really possible for the average person; it’s only for pastors and missionaries and radicals (Matthew 22:37-38).

10.  Lukewarm people love others but do not seek to love others as much as they love themselves. Their love of others is typically focused on those who love them in return, like family, friends, and other people they know and connect with. There is little love left over for those who cannot love them back, much less for those who intentionally slight them, whose kids are better athletes than theirs, or with whom conversations are awkward or uncomfortable. Their love is highly conditional and very selective, and generally comes with strings attached (Matthew 5:43-47; Luke 14:12-14).

15.  Lukewarm people are continually concerned with playing it safe; they are slaves to the god of control. This focus on safe living keeps them from sacrificing and risking for God (1 Timothy 6:17-18; Matthew 10:28).

16.  Lukewarm people feel secure because they attend church, made a profession of faith at age twelve, were baptized, come from a Christian family, vote Republican, or live in America. Just as the prophets in the Old Testament warned Israel that they were not safe just because they lived in the land of Israel, so we are not safe just because we wear the label Christian or because some people persist in calling us a “Christian nation” (Matthew 7:21; Amos 6:1)

Entire Article Here
Related:
Francis Chan Freedom Quotes!
Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God at Amazon [paperback, Kindle, and audio editions]
Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. “There’s a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND.” “There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it.” “Let’s go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR.”

[video] Francis Chan: The Awe Factor Of God

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ya12I036lg]The Awe Factor Of God – Francis Chan

Uploaded by on Apr 28, 2008

I was truly amazed when I saw this video, seriously it shows how God’s creation is just indescribable, just amazing, just AWESOME!

Speechless? Amazed? Humbled?
When I first saw those images, I had to worship. I didn’t want to speak to or share it with anyone. I just wanted to sit quietly and admire the Creator

Reality Check

I just expanded the title of this important post on deception and the times we are in:

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

So we really shouldn’t be surprised when we discover that so much of what we hear in the ‘church’ and in the media isn’t true at all.
And much of this involves James-3 cursing, which hardly anyone is talking about, but I have an entire category on this key factor.
Deception this effective and this universal cannot happen without evil spirits affecting people directly. Most people (including ‘Christians’) are lead by familiar spirits that drive them to believe and do all kinds of stuff.
Let’s be free so ONE can happen!
We may not have much time to even speak freely over the web. The U.S. government is waging psy ops on us. Much of what we’re being told isn’t even true [See what I’ve been reporting on at ToBeFree], but most people (and most ‘Christians’) are buying it.
We must be vigilant to live holy, so we only hear one voice — the voice of the HOLY Spirit who wants to lead us into all truth so we can be ONE!
…then the world will know.
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Are you liking the Francis Chan posts?

Jeff : )

[video] Francis Chan: "Crazy Love" (chapters 2-4 illustrations)

On his scooter[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRP4jZ6KMFI]Crazy Love – Chapter 2

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Chapter 2 of Crazy Love for LifeGroup

At the market[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12MKToWNb8Q]Crazy Love – Chapter 3

In Cornerstone[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdrizzZIvUA]Crazy Love – Chapter 4

“What we call sanctification
they [Iraqi Christians] call prerequisite.”

Gandhi?: “I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

“I like your Christ;
I do not like your Christians.

Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

– Mahatma Gandhi

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Since posting, I have found that some dispute that Gandhi said this. I found the following:

I can’t find any source for him stating the quote as such. I did find a book, The Knights Templar & the Protestant Reformation, which states that when Stanley Jones, a missionary met with Ghandi he asked him:

Mr. Gandhi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?

Gandhi replied:

Oh, I don’t reject Christ. I love Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ.

The book seems to have a reference, although I can’t check what it is as the references page is not on Google Books.

The quote seems to be from the book Mr. Gandhi, the man by Millie Graham Polak although the book is not viewable online.

Searching the book for the first part of the passage quoted in the knights templar book, “Is Mr. Gandhi a Christian?” returns a hit, although searching for “stanley jones” or “reject christ” does not.

In The Christ of the Indian Road by E. Stanley Jones, Stanley Jones asked Gandhi how to naturalize Christianity into India. Gandhi replied in part:

I would suggest first of all that all of you Christians, missionaries and all begin to live more like Jesus Christ.

This could be in part where the quote came from, if it was never said directly by Gandhi.

Given the amount of consistent references to the quote being said in reply to a question from Stanley Jones, I think it is likely something very similar to the oft quoted passage was said. I can’t find anything online that shows this for certain and don’t have access to the books where the quote may appear to check, so it’s hard to say for sure.

Dave A. responds in a comment to this post (below):

The information I have so far attributes the proximate statement in Stanley’s book to Bara Dada and not to Gandhi. I have a first edition copy of “Mr. Gandhi the Man” by Polak (1931) and I assure you that the Gandhi quote is NOT in that book. He speaks to his friend about his attraction to Christianity and the possibility of becoming Christian himself. His reasons for not doing so, he explains, have to do with his sense that he has found, in his “native” Hindu religion, all of the essential values that Christianity promotes. He is in a sense a universalist, believing that a path to God can be found in every major religion. There are no disparaging remarks about Christians in the book. Gandhi’s history is one of reconciliation and marshalling people from many faith communities to promote freedom and justice. That work began in earnest in South Africa, where he brought Christians together with other adherents for his social justice work.

Related:
Gandhi Used His Position To Sexually Exploit Young Women
As a teacher of nonviolence, Gandhi advocated the right to bear arms; use of ‘violence’ to defend innocents against bullying, oppression
Gandhi on Forgiving: “Nobody can hurt me without my permission”

The Golden Mean/Ratio: The Divine Proportion

[googlevideo=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7179950432887640376#]Fibonacci and the Golden Mean

This piece uses illustrations ranging from contemporary studies in biology to ancient Greek architecture to describe how, in 1202 A.D., the Italian mathematician Fibonacci uncovered a mathematical link between science and art.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOhVzvcFerk]Golden Mean

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A pictorial illustration of the Golden Mean and the Fibonacci sequence through use of artistic imaging. Natural beauty of botanical subjects used to demonstrate the repeated use of the Golden Mean in earths ecosystems. Created by http://geosage.net

[video] 2 Tests: Can you see the difference between what Francis Chan taught vs what he now teaches about salvation? | Can you see the 3D horse at 15:50?

More of Francis’ current teaching on salvation can be seen in the links at the end of this post.

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Francis Chan
05/02/10

Conditional Security

[Teaching the true-freedom truth
just before leaving Cornerstone
with clean hands!

Notice how much happier
he now really is!]

See the 3D horse at 15:50[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUoPsNfiu8E]Salvation by Francis Chan

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Compare above message to
what Francis spoke
2.5 years earlier

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Francis Chan
11/04/07

Unconditional Security

[This is actually diabolical —
the greatest deception,
leading so many astray and ruining America.

This is probably some of what Francis was trying to undo
in the message above —
so he could be clean
and so he could see many of them in heaven.]

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6HJGzA7dNM]Francis Chan – GRACE GRACE GRACE

Related:
Francis Chan’s ‘Last Sermon’ — There will be no cowards in heaven
Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. “There’s a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND.” “There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it.” “Let’s go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR.”
Francis Chan Freedom Quotes!
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy

Dan Corner: What's wrong with today's gospel — Eternal security is false, no matter how popular! Actual audio quotes from big name teachers

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbZYcRE-Fs]What’s wrong with today’s gospel Pt 1 (Eternal Security is false) No once saved always saved

Uploaded by on Mar 28, 2008

http://www.dancorner.com

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal-security.htm
Dan Corner exposes and refutes the false gospel and counterfeit grace of eternal security. Hear actual audio quotes from big name teachers and a sound biblical refutation of the devil’s lie of once saved always saved aka eternal security
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
or
http://www.noeternalsecurity.com

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ydu-yPPT0w]
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEyZBZrLdX4]
Related:
[Video] Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security
 
Dan Corner’s 801-page book: “The Believer’s Conditional Security”
 
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!
 
[Video] Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
 
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? (what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven)
 
(video) Dan Corner: True Grace Vs False Grace — Charles Stanley’s security in sin: “You cannot out-sin the grace of God” Vs Jesus: “He who endures to the end will be saved”
 
(video) Dan Corner: Prodigal Son — “My son was dead, and is alive again! He was lost, and is found!”
 
(cartoon) The Prodigal Son
 
(audio) Dan Corner: “If you’re lusting in your heart, you are an adulterer, and you won’t inherit the kingdom”
 
John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!
 
(audio) Dan Corner: The parable of the sower — “Bringing forth fruit is a salvation issue”
 
(video) The Grace Changers: Calvinist Mark Driscoll Exposed — “Mark Driscoll’s popularity is proof that we are in a deep dark church apostacy now!”
 
What about the thief on the cross? He wasn’t required to do works | ‘Sweaty ministry’ VS “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me…”
 
Father of Calvinism, Augustine’s Prayer To Mary For His Salvation

[Biblically disqualified to lead] Chuck Missler laughs about his intentional lie — Has eternal security seared his conscience? Dan Corner thinks so.

Could it be that once-saved-always-saved
is at least partially searing church leaders’ consciences?

Is this why these grace changers won’t repent,
and won’t get right with those they’ve hurt,
believing their own lie —
a doctrine of demons?

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATaCt9IgwqA]CHUCK MISSLER EXPOSED Eternal Security Conscience Seared Liars

Uploaded by on Aug 26, 2009

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/chuck_missler.htm Powerful and shocking expose of Chuck Missler, a very popular teacher of our dark day. Check the web site for much more info refuting the false gospel and counterfeit grace message of eternal security.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
or
http://www.noeternalsecurity.com

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This grace changing, false teacher at work,
saying the statement Corner addresses above,
and that the alternative to ES is to be under the law.

Hogwash:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_zEGJoE_Q]Eternal Security

Related:

[WordPOWER] Jesus: Where ‘all liars’ go (pastors included) — Revelation 21:8

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified