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God’s moral principles are a castle: strong walls and a moat that protects us from the destructive influences of Satan, the world and our own sin nature — our refuge!
‘Do you see God’s moral principles as a prison that keeps you from doing what you want, or as a castle that protects you from the destructive influences of Satan, the world and your own sin nature?’
One of dozens of Tom Cobaugh’s Sunday classes that I attended.
Tom Cobaugh teaching at ABT, Sunday school 2/13/22
Does the Present Tense Necessarily Mean “Now but not later”? (1 Tim 2:12) – Mondays with Mounce
Bill Mounce January 9, 2023
1 Timothy 2:12 is one of the most debated verses today. My point in discussing it is not to enter into the general debate but to deal with an erroneous misunderstanding of the present tense. Most of what follows comes from my commentary on the Pastorals.
Select Scriptures from my post: Jesus speaks on Hell and Destruction in Forty Six versus in the Bible
Matthew 8:12
12But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 13:42
42and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:49-50
49So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 18:8
8“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.
What Jesus said: Adultery in the Heart (Matthew 5:27-30)
“You have heard that it was said to those of old [old covenant], ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you [new covenant] that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand [masturbation] causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Kerrigan Skelly explains how Jesus’ lust warning in Matthew 5 is absolutely serious! @ 39:00
“What I think Jesus is trying to communicate right here using hyperbole [overstatement to make a graphic point] is to teach this truth:
Do whatever it takes to get rid of the sin. Do whatever it takes. Why? Because your sin will cost you everything, everything in the end. And it’s better to lose whatever you have to lose than to keep sinning and lose Jesus and salvation. It’s better to get rid of whatever you need to get rid of to stop from going to eternal hell in the end.
Lust also many times involves the use of your hand or your hands. The same principle applies to verse 30 as to verse 29.
The question remains: is a little bit of pleasure you receive from lust worth everything: your life, your soul, your eternity? And if you answer ‘no,’ you need to prove it by your actions.”
False doctrine starts if we conform the Word to our experience – Skelly @ 1:03:35
“Conforming the Word to your experience instead of conforming your experience to the Word is definitely a problem. That’s how false doctrine starts.”
Related at ONEcanhappen:
Bruce Ware: Christians are wrongly using Romans 7 to justify defeat in their lives!
Paul Furlong: How Romans 7 is unbiblically used to justify sinning
Noteworthy texts not mentioned:
Paul was an overcomer:
“..I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men” (Acts 24:16).
We can always overcome temptation by God’s grace:
“No temptation has taken you except what is common to man. God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” – 1 Cor. 10:13
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The Christian and Romans 7
by Shem Peachey
[Out of print – 1976]
How would you feel if the Bible taught that you could never rise higher in your spiritual life than the man in Romans 7? Would you shout “Praise the Lord” or would you flounder in the “Slough of Despond”? Let us together be challenged to understand Romans 7 as we believe Paul intended for it to be understood.
Chapter 6 is recognized as the new birth passage of Romans, echoing chapter 5. “How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:2). Romans 6:1-11 explains the process of the new birth, and 6:12-23 describes the new life. Repeatedly, we are said to have died with Christ and to sin. Four times we are said to be risen with Christ, or to be alive unto God. And three times in Romans 6 we are said to be free from sin.
We are often trying to evaluate the properness of the punishments we see in our society and even in the Bible. This, I think, is one area where we our intuitions are generally off base.
Let me add some more thoughts for you to consider as you evaluate this idea. Did you know that most prisoners agree that their prison sentences are too harsh? Did you know that criminals are far more likely to have a low view of law enforcement in general? While we can grant that, in some cases, people are unjustly punished by the law we can also recognize that people who break the law are generally more likely to minimize their offense and think that even a just sentence is unjust. But what if we apply this observation to people’s intuitions about the justness of Hell? It basically means that those who have moral guilt before God are more likely to think that Hell is unjust than they are to think that their sin deserves such a punishment. It seems to be a constant feature of the human condition that we will justify ourselves and even go so far as to demonize God Himself if He is going to truly bring down justice for our sins. I think it’s much more wise to assume that, if I can’t see the justness of Hell, then God is wiser than me and I am suffering from a culture of minimizing sin.
The full answer and context for this video is found HERE – 
• 20 Questions with…
0:00 Intro
DIFFERENT WAYS OF INTERPRETING 1 Cor 11
12:05 The Traditional Interpretation
47:36 The Hairstyle View
1:02:32 The Refutation View
1:05:13 The “It Doesn’t Belong in the Bible” View
1:06:25 The “Cloth Covering but not Submission” View
1:17:15 How we are going to make sense of all this (14 questions)
THE 14 QUESTIONS THAT WILL EXPLAIN THIS PASSAGE
1:19:32 #1 Does this passage belong in the Bible?
1:27:11 #2 Is Paul refuting, rather than teaching, much of what we read here?
1:37:02 #3 What does “head” (kephale) mean in this passage?
1:50:41 #4 What were the ongoing cultural customs around head coverings?
3:15:03 #5 What does Paul want men to do?
3:17:39 #6 What does Paul want women to do?
3:21:53 #7 What is Paul’s point about the order and purpose in the creation of man and woman in vs. 8-9?
3:40:44 #8 What does “nature” mean in vs 14?
3:59:50 #9 Is this passage about women and men or husbands and wives?
4:06:15 #10 How is woman the glory of man and man the glory of God? And what about the image language in vs 7?
4:35:02 #11 Does the woman have a “symbol of authority” on her head or does she “have authority over her own head” in vs 10?
5:00:40 #12 What does “because of the angels” man in vs 10?
5:24:26 #13 Is this whole thing really based on the ancient medical idea that women’s hair functioned as a testicle? [Michael Heiser’s view]
6:10:50 #14 How does it apply today?
6:37:00 Conclusion: What 1 Cor 11 means for the Women in Ministry series.
On today’s broadcast we examine 15 reasons from scripture why female pastors are not Biblical according to the word of God.(Timestamps)
00:00 – 00:27 Trailer
00:28 – 08:30 Introduction
08:33 – 11:13 Certain men not to teach false doctrine 1 Timothy 1:3
11:14 – 14:26 1 Timothy 2:8
14:27 – 17:06 Entire submissiveness 1 Timothy 2:11-12
17:06 – 22:45 Creative order 1 Timothy 2:13
22:45 – 26:33 The woman was deceived 1 Timothy 2:14
26:34 – 31:36 Child bearing 1 Timothy 2:15
31:37 – 34:34 He desires 1 Timothy 3:1
34:44 – 37:01 Overseer and a husband 1 Timothy 3:2
37:05 – 41:18 Paul’s purpose for writing 1 Timothy 3:15
41:19 – 44:14 Entrust to men 2 Timothy 2:2
44:17 – 45:14 Man above reproach Titus 1:5
45:15 – 48:40 Women encourage women Titus 2:3
48:40 – 55:05 Divine Romance 1 Timothy 3:16 Ephesians 5:22-33
55:06 – 58:45 Tickling of the ears 2 Timothy 4:1
58:45 – End Email sent in to Goodnight regarding women teaching with cultural relevance
David Pawson’s book: Leadership is Male: What Does the Bible Say? [Leadership is male “in the home and in the church”]
“This doesn’t put women down at all. It puts men face to face with their responsibility.”
– David Pawson says about this book in another video
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Part 1:
“We’re living in a funny world, a world in which people don’t want to accept what God has made them. … Most of the [homosexual] men I’ve counseled … are men who wanted to be looked after, rather than the responsibility of looking after anyone else.”
“Christian men ought to be leading society uphill, rather than following society downhill. But it seems to me that the church follows the world, only 15 years later. … The world accepted homosexuality 20 years ago, the church is just now beginning to accept it. … Christians are just slowly following the world downhill.”
1:08:30 The trend to remove gender from even God in Bibles:
“It is all part of a mood in which the church is accepting the spirit of the age, rather than asking the Holy Spirit to be the leader.”
Notes from biblecover2cover‘s upload that is no more:
Why is it easier to get women converted than men?
What are the differences between men and women?
Is a man’s daily work a necessary evil or is his full-time Christian service?
How can we disciple men today?
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David Pawson’s book: Leadership is Male: What Does the Bible Say? [Leadership is male “in the home and in the church”]
“This doesn’t put women down at all. It puts men face to face with their responsibility.”
– David Pawson says about this book in another video
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“A man is goal oriented. A woman is need oriented.”
“A man can separate his thoughts and his feelings. A woman can’t. … And this is why you can argue with a man, but not with a woman. If you argue with a man it’s thoughts challenging thoughts.”
“God made us complementary, not just within marriage, but within society generally.”
“The male is responsible, and the female is responsive.”
“A woman can get a sexual message from any part of her skin,” unlike a man.
“The human species is the only species where the female has full breasts when not feeding young. … Now what’s the significance of that? For that, we have to turn to the Song of Solomon…. They’re for comfort and companionship with someone of the other sex within marriage.”
“A man, on the whole, trusts his intellect much more than a woman, where as she will trust her intuition.”
“Language is on the woman’s side of the brain. Linguistics are much easier for a woman than a man.”
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“A lot of people believe error today because it’s what they want to believe.” – Don McClain
49:40 Don knows someone who changed his or her view on who goes to heaven because a loved one died, and this person wanted to believe that his or her loved one went to heaven. Don then says: “you can change your views about it. That’s not going to save your friend if it’s not true.”
50:30 “I’ve known preachers who changed their view on marriage-divorce-remarriage because one of their children unscripturally divorced and remarried unscripturally. … People do oftentimes change their views because of what they want to believe.”
54:30 Black mamba snakes can kill humans in just minutes. “We should be afraid of error, because error is much more serious than a black mamba. A black mamba can kill the body, but it can’t kill the soul. False doctrine can.
1:01:50 Christian ‘liberty’ is “liberty from sin, not liberty from the authority of Christ.”
1:03:20 “Do you think Eve wanted to believe error due to her desire?”
1:07:55 Error & Consequences of Calvinism (meme)
Since “once saved always saved” (OSAS) & “only believe” are not Biblical doctrines [refuted by over 80 New Testament verses; were invented by Augustine (4th century) and Luther, Calvin & Beza (16th century)], how then can we be sure of our salvation according to what the Bible really says?
“How can we be sure? ..through the Holy Spirit. When we are led by the Spirit and are walking in the Spirit, we shall enjoy the continuous witness of the Spirit, that intuitive certainty that the Lord is with us. But the New Testament also contains checks even on this, so that we can be quite sure that our intuition is not being misled. These include a clear conscience, a love for our brethren in Christ and a discontinuing of habitual sins (1 John contains a comprehensive list of such ‘proofs’).” – David Pawson, Once Saved Always Saved?: A Study in Perseverance and Inheritance (p. 139; p. 134 Kindle)
Related:
My article that shows what the New Testament really says:
Kevin Conner was one of my Bible teachers at Abbott Loop Bible School in 1984. I hand copied this post out of our textbook. Rick used to call Kevin his mentor. Some highlights:
• “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”
• WARNINGS against backsliding SHOW that the security of the believer is conditional upon obedience and faith
• What God has provided in Christ man must receive and apply
• Divine SOVEREIGNTY *and* human RESPONSIBILITY meet together in the great redemptive plan
• Christ is “the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him” (Hebrews 5:9)
• Upon HEARING and FOLLOWING the Shepherd they receive eternal life and will never perish
• AS HE OBEYS the Word of the Lord his SECURITY against backsliding and apostacy is FULLY GUARANTEED
( ) on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “ for all created beings. There can be .”
Paul, himself made sure he abided in Christ: “Herein I also practice ALWAYS having a CONSCIENCE VOID OF OFFENSE toward God and MEN” (Acts 24:16) — which sometimes required reconciliation to be right with men (Mt. 5:23-26 and James 5:16).
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Who were the Nephilim? Are the “sons of god” mentioned in Genesis 6 merely the decedents of Seth? This topic is not one that we should divide over in the body of Christ, but it is something that we should discuss and ask ourselves, “what does the Bible say concerning this?”
Timestamps
00:00 – 01:25 Intro
01:25 – 04:27 Preface to the topic
04:27 – 10:41 Can angels be given into marriage?
10:41 – 16:51 Are the “sons of god” merely just the sons of Seth?
16:51 – 25:45 What does The New Testament have to say?
25:45 – 27:29 Closing Statements
When we read Jeremiah 10 in context it is obvious that it is not about Christmas trees or anything like it. When you first read this passage it may seem like the Bible is banning Christmas trees but this is the result of making two big mistakes. First, the mistake of anachronism in acting like they had any concept of Christmas trees or anything like Christmas trees back then. Second, the even bigger mistake of not reading the passage in context. It is clearly about idols, not Christmas trees. Now, Christians don’t NEED to go and get Christmas trees but I really hope that we will stop condemning each other over silly things and stick to the issues of the gospel, good doctrine, walking in love and being a light in the world. Let’s stop flipping out over issues the Bible doesn’t even speak to.
Setting aside our own opinions and just looking at the what the Bible actually says we will see that alcohol was intended to be a blessing from God for us to enjoy. We’ll also see how dangerous and wicked drunkenness is. We’ll even see what the Bible says about alcohol as a medicinal product and what the Bible says about alcohol or drugs being used on a hospice patient. This is what the Bible really says about alcohol.
James Perloff, author of ‘Missing Miracles, Missing Saints, mentioned this quote in a podcast.
Saint Peter the Egyptian (4th-5th century):
Some other time Peter was asked: ‘What is a servant of God?’ His answer was this: ‘As long as one practices any kind of passion he cannot be called servant of God, but he is the servant of that passion which conquers him. As long as he is conquered he cannot teach others who are conquered by the same passions, because it is shameful for him to teach before he has been freed from that passion about which he teaches.’ (source)
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Compare to Paul:
“Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.” – Gal. 5:24
This author, J. Garton challenges the idea that evil spirits came from the Nephilim, which Michael Heiser and others teach.
Besides Garton’s reasons why the spirits of Nephilim can’t be demons, I would add these points:
The truth about Romans 11, which explains a lot about what’s happened regarding the true Judaics, and what will happen in the future.
“Replacement theology” isn’t Biblical, since God still has a plan for the true Judaics, the “natural branches,” who will be grafted in again after the “fullness of the Gentiles” happens.
Currently, the majority are still “enemies of the Gospel” (verse 28) until the fullness of the Gentiles happens, which will be the real Christianity, Greatest Awakening, when we finally get our act together, life in the Son — Jesus’ prayer of oneness in John 17 and God’s desire of unity and holiness in Ephesians 4:11-16 realized!
Key Points:
• Hearts were hardened; though, small remnant v. 7 – 8
• “Fell” v. 11, 22
• the natural branches were broken off v. 17
• “..a partial hardening has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved.” v. 25
• “Concerning the Good News, they are enemies for your sake.” v. 28
• “have been disobedient” v. 30-31
I wrote this related article:
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Thomas R. Schreiner is JAMES BUCHANAN HARRISON PROFESSOR OF NEW TESTAMENT INTERPRETATION AND PROFESSOR OF BIBLICAL THEOLOGY (1997) at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.
I looked through the comments under Thomas Schreiner’s video, and post the best-of below. This one introduces Gordon Fee’s excellent article:
Dr. Schreiner is a major NT scholar and I think he has some valuable insights on a lot of the NT. But on the matter of “speaking in tongues” his own lack of experience or the experiences in his churches make him myopic to the text. We need to be careful not to read our own experience or lack of experience, as is Schreiner, back into scripture. The scriptures are addressing people who had certain common experiences, and IF we today have a similar experience to them, the texts make much more sense. For example, Paul’s epistles are addressed to first generation Christians who mostly experienced a dramatic encounter with the Holy Spirit in their conversion. They knew the joy of sins forgiven, deliverances from demons, and Gods love poured out in their hearts; and as Paul says to the Corinthians, “they lacked no spiritual gift.’ I mean, Paul’s explanation in 1 Corinthians 12-14 was not instruction to those who knew nothing in experience of these things. He was correcting certain abuses. …
An opposing view from another eminent NT scholar [Gordon Fee], for those who really seek to know the word.
The Essential Nature of Speaking in Tongues
First, who is Gordon Fee?
Gordon Fee is Professor Emeritus of New Testament at Regent College, where he taught for sixteen years. His teaching experience also includes serving schools in Washington, California, Kentucky, as well as Wheaton College in Illinois (five years) and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Massachusetts (twelve years).
Gordon Fee is a noted New Testament scholar, having published several books and articles in his field of specialization, New Testament textual criticism. He also published a textbook on New Testament interpretation, co-authored two books for lay people on biblical interpretation, as well as scholarly-popular commentaries on 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus and on Galatians, and major commentaries on 1 Corinthians and Philippians. He is also the author of a major work on the Holy Spirit and the Person of Christ in the letters of Paul.
Gordon Fee served as the general editor of the New International Commentary series until 2012….
In his article, The Essential Nature of Speaking in Tongues, Gordon Fee writes:
..it is a common error among Cessationists to interpret all accounts of the gift of tongues through the events of Pentecost in Acts 2, in which tongues was clearly understood by the Jewish observers as human languages/dialects. This is a grievous error, because instead of taking all of the accounts of tongues in to account and then forming a theology of the nature of the gift, Cessationists force the well-rounded peg of the full Scriptural witness through the square hole of one passage. The Pentecostal interpretation, on the other hand, takes all of the passages into account first, and then puts together a holistic theology of tongues. …
Very good. Many falsely use Romans 7 as an excuse to not overcome sin by God’s grace.
Verses 5 & 6 are key:
5 For when we were in the flesh [Jews under the law], the sinful passions which were through the law worked in our members to bring out fruit to death. 6 But now we have been *discharged from the law*, having died to that in which we were held; so that we serve in *newness of the spirit*, and not in *oldness of the letter*.
As is Romans 8:
Verse 4 says the *law* is fulfilled in us if we walk according to the Holy Spirit.
Verse 13 says we will die if we live after the flesh, but will live if we put to death the deeds of the body by the Spirit.
Verse 14 says those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.
Verse 1: we have “no condemnation,” not because we said a prayer to be born-again (the start), but because we’re actually “in Christ Jesus” because we don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Galatians 5 is parallel: the two lists. Verse 24: “Those WHO BELONG TO CHRIST have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.” Whereas, those who live in the “works of the flesh” list will not inherit the kingdom, which we know for sure means salvation because of what Paul warns us in Galatians 6 about sowing and reaping.
Jacob Arminius taught that conversion requires the Holy Spirit’s enablement to choose salvation:
“[The] act of faith is not in the power of a natural, carnal, sensual, and sinful man, and no one can perform this act except through the grace of God….”
“Haughty pride is the opposite of the spirit of humility that God seeks.”
“Pride has been called the cancer of the soul, the beginning of all sin, and sin in its final form.”
“Pride is viewed as a great sin and rebellion against God because it presumes to possess excellence and glory that belong to God alone.”
“Prideful people treat others with contempt and cruelty.”
“Pride leads to disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”
“Pride is taking the glory that belongs to God alone and keeping it for ourselves.”
“Pride is essentially self-worship.”
“Work out your salvation; pride has to go.”
“Those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
“We are not to boast about ourselves. If we want to boast, then we are to proclaim the glories of God. … It is what God says about us that makes the difference.”
“Do not be caught in this trap, pride. Fight and get delivered by the Spirit of God.”
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Why do so many people attempt to soften the subject of hell? Why do they try to make it seem less horrifying, less severe, or even non-existent? The main reason is that they cannot reconcile a loving God with a God who would allow such intense suffering. People have actually created a god in their minds who doesn’t exist.
The Hesier video is below.
Disappointing. Heiser is just teaching Martin Luther’s “only believe” false doctrine. “You can’t lose it through any sin,” he says, which he then explains through logic, ignoring what the NT says in *dozens* of warning verses, that we absolutely will lose our salvation through willful sinning, unless we completely repent, which sometimes requires reconciliation, getting right with those we remember we’ve hurt in some way (Jesus’ statement to reconcile in Mt. 5:23-24 and what Paul always practiced, Acts 24:16).
“Don’t you know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run like that, that you may win. Every man who strives in the games exercises self-control in all things. Now they do it to receive a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible [crown in heaven]. I therefore run like that, not aimlessly. I fight like that, not beating the air, but I beat my body and bring it into submission, lest by any means, after I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected.” – Paul in 1 Cor. 9:24-27
Paul warned us: “work out your own salvation through fear and trembling….” Biblical, new covenant“fear” has to be much more than just “reverence,” what is commonly taught today, because Paul says to “tremble.” We should fear something serious will happen to us if we don’t work out our own salvation. It’s a big deal!