This may be the most controversial concept I’ll suggest at this site, but it’s a theory that explains so much, that I must finally share this view that I’ve been considering for about a few decades.
How is it that we can write about issues so clearly, proving them beyond the shadow of a doubt, yet many reject them wholesale, like the very clear doctrine of who really goes to heaven, for example?
No one can refute Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, and once-saved-always-saved has been soundly refuted by many, yet this great deception is still mainstream in America — which I believe is the number one cause for our Republic’s destruction. When the ‘Christians’ cease being salt and light, thinking they don’t have to truly be in Christ….
Certainly, the demons that affect most ‘Christians’ are a huge factor. I have an entire category called “Demons in Christians,” in which there are almost 60 posts, currently. I show how demons can absolutely be in Christians. Most have many. This is a huge problem, and certainly this is true of non-Christians as well. Demons empower people to commit and then justify their sins. Most people don’t live holy enough to be free.
And James talks about how ‘Christians’ can actually curse people, what I call James-3 curses. ‘Christians’ can actually wish/pray things on others from their hearts. But these are ‘prayers’/curses that demons answer, not God. And these demons can set the course for people’s lives.
But demons in ‘Christians’ doesn’t by itself explain why so many ‘Christians’ just don’t get it, no matter how clearly we put out the truth. And to make things worse, it seems that today’s church leaders are almost universally unable to understand what is really true about key, basic doctrines. They also seem to be among those most apt to James-3 curse God’s people whom they consider are challenges to their power, for example: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”
I personally have probably been cursed by ‘church’ leaders more than any other group of people. It’s fierce, which I show here.
It seems to me, having been a Christian for more than 35 years, that there is something more going on here. Why are most church leaders not even really Christlike, yet few will fully step down and let those who truly are led by the Spirit lead.
They maintain their position by James-3 cursing those whom they see threaten their position of power. They’ll pray against those who would start legitimate churches in which Jesus Christ would be Head — and they’ll vote Republican no matter what, supporting every reverse-Christian war — totally ignoring Ron Paul, the peacemaker. They don’t seem to understand at all how the second greatest commandment applies to our neighbors overseas too. They just don’t get it, and they’ll hardly ever apologize to anyone they’ve hurt, totally ignoring Paul’s elders’ qualifications that overseers MUST be blameless. They seem to have no fear of God. How can this be?
How can church leaders say one thing and do another? And how can they so readily dismiss clear prophecies given to them by those who have been so careful to accurately hear?
And they’ll even lie to cover up what they’ve done, instead of coming clean so we can become ONE in Christ — so God can move among us as His body. How can they lie, knowing what the Bible so clearly says about what happens to all liars? There is mischief in their hearts (Psalm 28), but on the outside they act like everything is okay, “ha, ha, ha” laughing.
Is it possible that many people have a greater propensity for evil based upon their bloodlines, and therefore they force themselves into these power, limelight positions?
I’ve actually put my Nephilim theory aside for many recent years, because I really don’t want to minimize what any person can do. But I’ve just seen too often some people just don’t act like full people. John Prine put it this way:
Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind
You open up their hearts
And here’s what you’ll find
A few frozen pizzas
Some ice cubes with hair
A broken Popsicle
You don’t want to go there
Watch him sing it here:
John Prine: “Some Humans Ain’t Human” — Austin City Limits
Biblically, this is how I think it comes down. This is a good background reference from which I’ll quote; though, they don’t go exactly where I do: Notes on the Nephilim: The Giants of Old, which is a collection of seven writings by these seven authors: James Montgomery Boice | Henry Morris | Chuck Missler | Ray C. Stedman | Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum | Rick Lanser | Bob Deffingbaugh, Th.M.
Genesis 6
1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 that God’s sons [bene elohim*] saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose. 3 Yahweh said, “My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
5 Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart. 7 Yahweh said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the surface of the ground; man, along with animals, creeping things, and birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in Yahweh’s eyes.
9 This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless [his human genes weren’t altered by this spirit-sexual invasion, some say] among the people of his time. Noah walked with God. 10 Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 The earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 God saw the earth, and saw that it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
13 God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
* bene elohim, from: Notes on the Nephilim
The phrase “sons of God” (bene elohim) is used only three other times in the Testament, as indicated earlier-in Job 1:6; 2:1; and 38:7. In each case it clearly means spirit beings…
The most common interpretation (backed by the Book of Enoch, a non-biblical, but still important work) has been that fallen angles had sex with human women, who bore hybrid offspring who were part demon and part human. And therefore the huge gap between the evil that prevailed in Noah’s day and the righteousness of Noah, himself, whose bloodline was kept pure, from which Jesus was born. I would say all mankind after the flood, but according to Genesis 6, this bizarre union between demons and humans happened again after the flood, which is why God told the Children of Israel to kill all of the giants in the Land of Canaan. Why else would He say that?
Chuck Missler from Notes on the Nephilim
7. Post-Flood Implications
The strange offspring also continued after the flood: “There were Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that…” (25) The “Sethite” view fails to meaningfully address the prevailing conditions “also after that.” It offers no insight into the presence of the subsequent “giants” in the land of Canaan.
One of the disturbing aspects of the Old Testament record was God’s instructions, upon entering the land of Canaan, to wipe out every man, woman, and child of certain tribes inhabiting the land. This is difficult to justify without the insight of a “gene pool problem” from the remaining Nephilim, Rephaim, et al., which seems to illuminate the difficulty.
So this is what I think could have actually happened. After the flood, after God wiped out the demon-contaminated gene pool, the Nephilim strange offspring breeding happened again. Caleb reported there were giants. This time, God told the children of Israel to wipe out every man, woman and child, to take care of this gene pool contamination problem. But Israel did not, and eventually even interbred with the Nephilim.
So today, many, if not most people (according to this theory) have some demon in their genetics; though, probably less than the 50% ratio that the original Nephilim had, who were so evil that God decided to wipe them all out in the flood, and then have the children of Israel kill them all, when it happened again (though they did not).
These are the scoundrels, who force their way to most of the top political, corporate and power positions, including church leadership.
They can lie without even hardly feeling guilty. The root of all evil, the love of money often drives them in one way or another — and they’ll James-3 curse those who they see are a threat to their power — those who would lead the country, businesses and churches justly, under God — not just saying they are.
They’ll think that those who aren’t demon-gene contaminated are weird, actually calling for real holiness and real integrity — that we would actually really treat our neighbors (even those overseas) as we would ourselves.
And the minority, who aren’t demon-gene contaminated can more easily see. Many have also been deceived into swimming in the mainstream current that is taking US down, but writings like my own make sense to them. And they, like me are have a hard time realizing why humans, who are supposed to be created in the image of God are not more wise.
I don’t want to name any names, but I can think of a particular talk show host that many Republicans listen to who is clearly not one of us; though, he acts like he’s the gift of God to America. Bush could do know wrong, according to Him: all of the reverse-Christian wars and the Constitution gutting policies — the bankster bailout — and even laughing about torture! And President George W. Bush ran as a Christian. And few were wise enough and Biblical enough to see through the facade that he and so many wear.
Who really is a Christian? Who are the children of God, really? Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
Those of us who can see should stick together and get ONE happening. If we don’t lead who will — the same old same old who are leading US into the pit?
Once ONE happens (John 17), then many will see and follow as God’s glory literally falls, and perhaps many will even get gene transplants, which I’ve thought of as a very real possibility.
Another key thing to learn here. This should help us have more compassion for those of us who are so evil to us without cause. Maybe they really just are predisposed, based upon their altered genetics, to evil, and it really is much harder for them to see.
And as we forgive fully, then their curses have no right to stick onto us — and we can all be free!
It seems that America is going down fast, but the church can rise up, and this can be the greatest adventure of our entire lives — ONE with each other in Christ.
Jesus wants to be the head of the church. All church leaders must be truly submitted to Him, or they can’t even be real Christians, let alone qualified to lead, being ‘blameless,’ Paul said. And “those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh.”
Many pastors are simply confidence-men (con-men). They can tell a good story — and laugh “ha, ha, ha” — as a substitute for the Holy Spirit moving…. What we need are leaders who can lead us to worship God in Spirit and in truth — those whom God chooses to lead.
Then the end will come, after the Gospel (the real Gospel) is preached around the world. Now we’re mostly spreading a cheap imitation in which God isn’t even involved.
May we be ONE.
Then the world will know.
Jeff Fenske
Related:
I touched upon this in 2007: Fenske on Chuck Norris’ “Would Jesus Support War?” – ‘A God of War’ & ‘*a* Prince of Peace’
Could this have been true of John Calvin and Martin Luther, whose misinterpretations of Paul’s teaching on salvation are mainstream today? They were clearly Biblically disqualified to lead, yet many follow their doctrine?
John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!
The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: An Anabaptist speaks out on Martin Luther and John Calvin
[ video ] Is Pope Francis the LAST POPE? Tom Horn & Cris Putnam on It’s Supernatural with Sid Roth – Tom and Cris also talk about the Nephilim, UFOs, and Catholic research.
Trimelda C McDaniels
Dear Jeff:
Our Church is a Christian Recovery fellowship based in home churches. We teach that everyone is in recovery from sin and has to walk in forgiveness, sobriety of all varieties, and healing. We believe that there are four roots to the Church (Big C in church when we mean the Body of Christ)The Word, the Spirit, the Altar and the Teachings. This reflects the Evangelical, the Pentecostal, the Catholic and the Orthodox. If you have those four roots in a Christian repentance and profession of Faith, then you should avoid the excesses and confusion that haunts us.
In every day life this translates into WALKING out your salvation day by day through recognizing your daily need for submission to Christ in the Holy Spirit as expressed in the written Word, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the teachings of the Fathers and Mothers of the Church and the Communion based worship of the Faith. Recognizing what you are and what you must do is the first step. The next step is realizing how this affects you, your family, your community and the world. Repentance follows as you are made to SEE where you are falling short. Recovery comes as you then surrender to God’s Way and then God can and does Restore us to where we should be.
This happens a lot with forgiveness. You allow the Lord to speak to your heart in the written Word, the Liturgy, the Holy Spirit, and the teachings of the Fathers and Mothers about forgiveness. This helps you recognize that you have been carrying antipathy towards someone. You realize how this is affecting your relationships with others and cutting off the flow of God’s Grace through you to other people. You then repent earnestly by asking God’s forgiveness, asking the other person’s forgiveness and changing how you relate to that person. This recovers your ability to act as a child of God in the family of God.
This sounds easier than it is! There is a lot of yelling, fighting, crying and even screaming as we roll along this path. But it makes for a fellowship that tries to stay strong in our calling which is to recognize, realize, repent and recover so that God can restore us and the rest of the Body of Christ in love.
We are a part of the Convergence Movement (http://convergencemovement.org/)also as we seek to restore all things in Christ in terms of worship, music, marriage, family, even farming. That makes for much varied reading and training for our clergy as well as everyone else. We are constantly exploring what the greater Body of Christ has to say about just about anything. As always we compare what we read with the Written Word, the Teachings, the Holy Spirit and the truth of the Liturgy.
That’s how we approach the idea of music, ministry, family, dress, even recreation. For example, our music is a mixture of old and new Christian music. While we like some of the contemporary songs, we have found some of the secular music to be more true to what we see and understand of Christ than a lot of what gets played on the radio. That’s why “Saved” and “Live This Life” is in our songbooks and “I Love Thee Jesus”, “Onward Christian Soldiers” and We-are-so-great Church songs are not. We prefer songs that glorify God, the Precious Blood, the call to the Church to repent and be as we should be and the work of Christ. As such we prefer pictures of Jesus that show Him as dark skinned, masculine and glorified, not thin, feminine and weak.
We use the ORIGINAL King James Bible printed before 1889 which contains the same books used by the Church since the council of 419 AD. We also refer to the Douay Rheims, and the Eastern Orthodox Bibles when doing Scripture studies as they did not toss out these Scriptures. We find it amazing that so many people don’t even know or have the truly Original King James Bible and yet will argue that this is the only version that they will use.
I say all this to say this: We have NEVER seen anything credible in the Four Rooted Teachings that says Jesus is coming back to snatch anyone away from Tribulation. In fact, we see that the Lord gave us warning signs to mark His return and one of them is world wide persecution triggered by the rise of the Antichrist. We believe that the Rapture Teaching is the Great Deception that will lead many people who want to follow Christ into despair and unbelief when it does NOT happen. We also believe that many people caught up in this despair will believe visions and dreams of going into the wilderness to “meet” Christ secretly,(which goes against Scripture and common sense), and they will be eaten by the Fallen angel possessed dead who will then reappear as the secretly Raptured. They will support the Antichrist in his claims to be God incarnate and even seem to do miracles in his name. Those who hold out against this teaching will be targeted for disappearance.
As for the “seed of satan”, I don’t think it is based upon the Nephillim strictly. Nor do I believe this makes some people not human. I think this seed is a rare genetic abnormality that has been caused by a merger of perverted science with occult practices. This started in Babylon and then Egypt with the rise of sister queens and brother kings who mated with each other to produce genetically messed up offspring with certain genetic weaknesses such as hemophilia, brain tumors, madness, etc. Such offspring were treated like gods and ritually drugged and brainwashed to channel Fallen Angels. At their deaths, their bodies were preserved to allow these disembodied ones to speak through them, (witness the ceremony of the Opening of the Mouth in the Egyptian Book of the Dead).
Rome was about to seal an alliance with Egypt through the marriage of Julius Casear with Cleopatra. That was one reason why Julius had to die. But the teaching that the One would be a hermaprodite who would unite the world in One Faith with humans as the ultimate vessel for the Ancient Ones would become scattered through out all the religions, some more than others. This secret iniquity is in all institutions and all four roots of the Church, gnawing away to destroy us all. That is the truth behind the many problems we have with pedophilia, drugs, perverted sexuality and occult beliefs seeping into everything. This is the Tare seed that Jesus warned us about. But since the Tare looks so much like the Wheat and we are often entwined with this Wheat, only God knows when the seed is mature enough to separate out the weeds from the grain. So we have to wait, teach right, surrender to the Lord in every day life in the practice of forgiveness. Anyone of us might have this genetic weakness but it abounds in certain families and is nurtured by twisted teachings and perversions. The cure? The Word, the Spirit, the Teachings and the Sacraments-applied and accepted by even the most genetically tagged will “cure” the genetic twisting. (I’ve seen it happen). But the key, believe it or not is forgiveness. If you can get everyone to let go of their hatred, the rest is easy, even for the genetically twisted.
That’s why we believe that NO ONE will ever be saved and born again if he or she refuses to walk in forgiveness. That is the unforgiveable sin against the Holy Spirit. We also believe that NO ONE will ever be in Hell if he or she forgives with all the heart. That perpetual act of Charity covers and cleanses a multitude of sins.
There’s more but let me end with a prayer for you.
May God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit cleanse you from any and all curses and evil that would hold you back from your full calling in Christ Jesus. May the greatest blessings and life flowing from the all compassionate but just Sacred Heart of Jesus embrace you and wash you free from any envious, vicious or limiting tongues and thoughts towards you and yours. May the Lord send the Angel Raphael, who saved Sarah from a life without marriage, to bind any spirit in your life that hinders you from the blessings of a full married life. In the Name, Authority and Power of JESUS CHRIST, God the Son of the Most High, may that Fallen Strong Man of Limitation and Lust be bound now and forever in your life along with anyone who strives to move against you and your future. May you be blessed and set free to receive all the blessings the Holy Spirit has for you in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Amen+
Zororai
Thank you Trimelda, this was very informative and interesting. Amen, Amen and Amen!!! to your prayer.