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A.W. Tozer Prophecy: A NEW ARK to Ride Out the Storm — “As the Church now stands, the man who sees this condition of WORDLY EVANGELICALISM is written off as somewhat fanatical. But the day is coming when the house will be left desolate and there will not be a man of God among them”

From:… (Andrew Strom)

A.W. TOZER PROPHECY – From 50 Years Ago

Let me go out on a limb a little bit and prophesy. I see the time coming when all the holy men whose eyes have been opened by the Holy Spirit will desert worldly Evangelicalism, one by one. The house will be left desolate and there will not be a man of God, a man in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, left among them…

I hear Jesus saying… Mat 23:37-38:

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to her, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left to you desolate.”

As the Church now stands, the man who sees this condition of worldly evangelicalism is written off as somewhat fanatical. But the day is coming when the house will be left desolate and there will not be a man of God among them. I would like to live long enough to watch this develop and see how things turn out. I would like to live to see the time when the men and woman of God – holy, separated and spiritually enlightened – walk out of the evangelical church and form a group of their own; when they get off the sinking ship and let her go down in the brackish and worldliness and form a new ark to ride out the storm.


‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”

[FreedomQuote] Andrew Strom: Individualism is the Exact Opposite of ‘Body,’ Community and the True Church

“Today we are often frightened to commit to any particular group or cause, any particular leadership. The modern man is an “individualist” to the core. But all of this, of course, is the exact opposite of “Body.” It is the exact opposite of ‘Community.’ And thus the exact opposite of the true Church.”

– Andrew Strom

Andrew Strom: Today’s “Unsaved” Church — Only those who CONTINUE in New Testament Christianity and who “overcome” will be saved



-by Andrew Strom.

It is an interesting fact that Charles Finney spent his entire ministry preaching to professing Christians. And yet he was called the greatest ‘evangelist’! What he was doing was evangelizing the church people – because he found that most of them were not living in a state of true salvation at all. The church was ‘unsaved’!

Thus his first calling was to the believers of his day – to see them converted. -Just like Jesus and the apostles were called first to the Jews – the ‘believers’ of their time. Finney found himself preaching piercing salvation messages his whole life in church buildings, Bible Colleges and so-on. The “Christians” must be saved.

Actually, you see this pattern in most Revivals down the centuries. In many cases, what Revival was, was the church coming into true SALVATION for the first time. They THOUGHT they were saved before, but they had been under a delusion. When the ‘Revivalist’ arrived and preached to them, suddenly they saw that they were undone and in a lost state, and multitudes were converted. Revival almost always begins with the church.

I believe it is no different today, especially in America where church attendance is very high (-around 40 percent) – the highest percentage in the world. Everyone agrees that there is a lot of ‘nominal’ Christianity and ’social’ Christianity going on – as well as a huge number of people who attend churches where they are told they are ’saved’ when clearly they are not.

It is difficult not to come to the conclusion that most of these churches are like “holding pens” for the damned – telling people that they are ‘OK’, when in reality they are headed for destruction. Personally, I find this very hard to take. What will God do to the preachers who are lulling the flock to sleep in this way? And when will men be found who will dare to tell the “Christians” that many are not ’saved’ at all – but still in their sins? -Such is the role of the true prophets of God. Such is the role of the coming “John the Baptists”.

Of course, Finney was hated and despised by church men for saying such things. How DARE he preach in such a way that assumed that many ‘fine church members’ were unsaved? How offensive and ill- mannered! But Finney had such a passion and a burden to REACH THE ‘CHRISTIANS’ with the gospel. -And this was exactly what God had called him to do.

Today we see exactly the same thing in the West as Finney saw in his day. We see a church that is very largely UNSAVED. A truly “saved” church (in the New Testament sense) behaves and looks and sounds utterly different to what we have today.

Even in Pentecostal/Charismatic circles we often find many “previously-saved-but-no-longer-walking-in-it” believers. Friends, this is not a state of ’salvation’. The Bible is very clear that only those who CONTINUE in New Testament Christianity and who “overcome” will be saved. These people are lost. You are either walking as a ‘new creature’ in love with Christ or you are not. If you are not walking in it then do not assume you are “saved” – no matter what some preacher tells you. It is all or nothing with God. The Bible tells us to “work out our salvation with fear and trembling”. I would be very surprised if more than a quarter of the West’s so-called “Spirit-filled” believers are actually walking with a clean heart before God. What on earth do they think will happen to them on Judgement Day?

Added to this, we have millions upon millions of ‘mainline’ believers who literally NEVER get the opportunity to find out about “FULL” salvation. -The Holy Spirit is never made real to them, and many have never been fully BAPTIZED in water, either.

Now, we have already discussed elsewhere how people became Christians in the Bible. We know that there were THREE THINGS that always needed to happen when someone wanted to become a Christian in the New Testament:

(1) Repentance

(2) Water Baptism

(3) Being filled with the Holy Spirit. [Though this was the pattern in Acts, speaking in tongues is not required to be a Christian. But many will not overcome and go to heaven if they don’t speak in tongues, because praying perfectly in the Spirit deals directly with demons – Jeff]

-Every time, these were the three things that happened STRAIGHT AWAY. (-See Acts 2:37-41, Acts 8:12-20, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-6, Acts 22:16, Heb 6:1-2, Mk 16:16-18, etc.)

As I have said before, the doctrine of “Asking Jesus into your heart” does not exist in the Bible, and personally I would come very close to calling it a lie from the pit of hell, because it falsely assures people that they are “saved” just because they have ‘prayed a little prayer’. It is very dishonest and totally unscriptural. So we know that a basic “New Testament Christian” is someone who has:

(1) Repented

(2) Been Baptized (immersed) in water, and

(3) Been filled with the Holy Spirit (-accompanied by ‘tongues’, as far as we can tell in Scripture).

So how on earth do we reach all these vast millions who are being duped with this half-Christianity of “Asking Jesus into your heart” – but never hear the full gospel? What on earth can be done to get this message through to them?

This is a burden that is very much on my heart. And I am convinced that only the coming “John-the-Baptist” ministries will have the anointing to break through the walls of ‘Religion’ to reach these people with the truth. We are talking about millions upon millions of precious souls here. And they are people who DO BELIEVE in God. But they have been lied-to, and the real truth has been denied them.

I am convinced that the coming harvest will BEGIN IN THE CHURCH. It will begin with converting the “CHRISTIANS”. -This has always been God’s order. “First in Jerusalem, then in Judea….”

I am deeply burdened for the church in the West. Let the new “Charles Finneys” arise. Let the trumpet sound go forth. The message of PIERCING REPENTANCE must be heard in the land once again. And the idol of “Mammon” must surely be one of it’s key targets.

I am convinced that such prophets must arise for Revival to come to the West in these days. “For the word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword.” -May this mighty sword be brought to bear on the walls of Religion and false ‘assurance’ in these days.


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Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think?

How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!

The CHIEF PILLAR of Eternal Security (OSAS) Toppled!

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

A.W. Tozer: There is ‘one sure way to escape the delusions of religion’ and be true Christians: “Receive Christ as Lord of our lives and begin to obey Him in everything. Submit to the truth and let it search us. Submit and obey…”

‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not? — The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest reaction yet on our Facebook page…

“Get rid of this bunkum about the ‘carnal Christian’. Forget it! If
you’re carnal, you’re not saved.” – Leonard Ravenhill.

Jeff Fenske: 13 Common Misconceptions About the New Covenant — and 13 Truths including “If you are led by the Spirit you are not under the law”

“We Must Be Holy” by J. C. Ryle (1816-1900)

David Pawson on Paul and James: Paul was defending Gentiles from Jewish *works-of-the-law* legalism; James was defending Jews from Gentile license to sin. — When Paul says ‘works’ he means *works of the law,* but James means *actions.* — “Faith without actions cannot save you.” — FAITH + ACTIONS = SAVING FAITH!

Martin Luther’s Subordinate Bible Books: Hebrews, James, Jude & Revelation

Luther: Let us BANISH the epistle of James, for it is ‘WORTHLESS’ — written by a non-Christian and can’t be reconciled with Paul

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: An Anabaptist speaks out

[Video] Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security

[Video] Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. “There’s a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND.” “There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it.” “Let’s go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR.”

4-minute video[youtube=]Francis Chan – Balance Beam

Francis Chan’s ‘Last Sermon’ — There will be no cowards in heaven

Francis Chan Freedom Quotes: Lukewarm People — “Lukewarm people call ‘radical’ what Jesus expected of ALL His followers.” — “Lukewarm people feel secure because they attend church, made a profession of faith at age twelve, were baptized, come from a Christian family, vote Republican…” — More…

Francis Frangipane: Beware, It is Easy to Fake Christianity — “The moment we stop obeying God we start faking . . . .” “If our Christianity does not work in this life where we can test it, it is foolhardy to hope it will successfully transport us into eternity . . . if we fail the test, we suffer eternal separation from God.” “Let us re-examine what we have been taught.”

How CLEAN do our Hearts have to be from the Hebrews-12 root of bitterness that defiles many? Where is the place of SAFETY — RESTING, KNOWING for SURE we’re going to heaven? Selah …

THE PATRISTIC INTERPRETATION of ROMANS 7:14-25 — The early church did not understand Rom 7:14-25 to teach the necessity of sin in believers

[1978 concert video] Keith Green debunked LUTHER’S FALSE SALVATION DOCTRINE that’s now MAINSTREAM in America. Let’s get it right!

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “Let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned.”

Wes Hall: “Beloved, grace has nothing to do with freedom to sin. … Grace is the power to be free from sin. … Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.”

Military BOOT CAMP kills the conscience so soldiers can do evil without being convicted in their hearts

WITHOUT REVIVAL THE PEOPLE PERISH: Why the Present Church Doctrine Makes Revival Unlikely [Or Why Sound Doctrine Would Make Revival Likely]

BE YE THEREFORE PERFECT (Matthew 5:48): Thirty-eight Sermonettes on SIN, SALVATION and RIGHTEOUSNESS

Dennis Cuddy: The delusion that most ‘Christians’ are going to heaven

What the Lord’s Prayer really says about FORGIVING. Jesus made it clear right after “Amen”: “IF YOU DON’T forgive…” VS. Luther’s Catechism: “God forgives WITHOUT CONDITION,” forgiving even “REVENGE!!!”

[WordPOWER!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)

“Grace”: To Give You Life to Overcome—Not a License to Sin

John Piper: “If we don’t abide, we are not truly his disciples. And the opposite of true disciples is false disciples. That’s what we are if we count on past experiences without ongoing devotion to Jesus”

D. A. Carson: The Problem of the Canon Within the Canon — A subset of scriptures taught in exclusion of those that would result in true doctrine. “We badly need to listen to one another, especially when we least like what we hear.”

Robert Shank: Erroneous “2 natures of the believer” doctrine — Romans 7 is before Paul’s ‘life in the Son’

[Book] The GREAT GOSPEL DECEPTION by David A. Servant — “Only when the church does embrace the gospel of Jesus and His apostles will there be any hope of true revival” free pdf download

[Book] Life in the Son by Robert Shank

Pastor DIES > goes to HELL because he HADN’T FORGIVEN his wife > AROSE from the dead almost 2 days later > tells story

[Reality-check video] Learn Why Jesus BANNED Heaven From Famous Uganda Pastor!

The Bible Teaches The Necessity Of Worthiness — Most denominations, having accepted the lies of ‘once saved always saved,’ have lost the biblical concept of worthiness through faithful holiness, and have adopted a false concept of grace

What about the thief on the cross? He wasn’t required to do works. | And what works are we talking about? ‘Sweaty ministry’ VS “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me…” | We’re running out of time to get ‘ONE’ happening. Why?

Dan Corner: “If you’re lusting in your heart, you are an adulterer, and you won’t inherit the kingdom.”

Dan Corner: The parable of the sower — “Bringing forth fruit is a salvation issue”

Calvinist Mark Driscoll Exposed — “Mark Driscoll’s popularity is proof that we are in a deep dark church apostacy now!”

Francis Chan: Are Your Beliefs Biblical? What would you believe if you had only read the Bible on your own?

Do You Honestly Believe That You Are Saved? JUST BECAUSE YOU PRAYED A PRAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To my homosexual friends: May we all be ‘ONE’ in Christ! What is the ‘fury fire’ that Piper Perabo talks about? How can it be tamed? What is God’s true perspective in “The Homosexuals Will Arise” prophecy and what does Romans 1 really say? — Romans 1 is actually another who-doesn’t-go-to-heaven list in which many straight ‘Christians’ also currently fit

[Lust “the poison that kills the soul” FREEDOM] My experience: How DEMONS DRIVE heterosexual and homosexual lust in ‘Christians’ — The bad news is that demons drive lust. The good news is that demons drive lust, because…

Gandhi: Widespread Belief Doesn’t Make an Error True

“Truth … lies in the depth where few are willing to search for it.”

HeartQuotes: Truth

Willful Ignorance: Actively Resisting the Truth and Truth-tellers

From Willful Ignorance through Cognitive Dissonance to “Could I Be Wrong?”


Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it WAS PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Psychologists Explain 911 Denial: Fear, Pride, Exceptionalism… (Why aren’t most people willing to even look at what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven — the most important issue?!)

[FreedomQuote] ‎”I Would Rather Know The Ugly Truth Than A Beautiful Lie”

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’” Many need to get right with people they’ve hurt to be free! Then God can move!

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

Benny Hester: “When God Ran”

All of my Who Goes to Heaven Posts

Andrew Strom: CAN PATRIOTISM be IDOLATRY? — Is America mostly spreading ‘good’ or spreading ‘evil’ in the world? Why then should we “defend” her – as though what she is doing in the earth is “Christian?”

From: Revival School


– Andrew Strom

I would really love your comments on this, as I believe it is an important topic for the church in North America. Please give us your thoughts on the questions below –

Can Patriotism be Idolatry? (ie. Can our country become a kind
of ‘god’ to us?)
-Can Patriotism also become “prideful”?
-Is this a problem in the church today?
Will many Christians get mad if we question this?
If we mix Patriotism in with Christianity, will it start to distort the
whole message and mission of the church?
-In other words, will we start to become “activists” not just for
Jesus, but for Patriotism too?
-Is it true that Hitler used Patriotism to manipulate the German
people – and whip them up to go to war?
-Are there voices in TV and Radio today using Patriotism to whip
up the Christians?
-Do you think we can be easily manipulated if they appeal to our
-Now just a couple of questions about the USA-
Is the US still a force for “righteousness” in the earth?
-When we look at the movies, the TV and the music put out by
the USA – which dominates Western culture all around the world –
what kind of influence does the US have today?
-When we look at this massive influence and leadership, does
she seem to be a force for ‘light’ or more for greed, sex, materialism
and spiritual corruption?
So is America mostly spreading ‘good’ or spreading ‘evil’ in the world?
Why then should we “defend” her – as though what she is doing in
the earth is “Christian”?

Entire Article with Comments Here

Andrew Strom: “WE’VE LOST CHRISTIANITY” — It will all be OK, the preacher tells us. We will all make it to heaven in the end. We are all “decent” people here. We have “prayed the little prayer.” We have ‘given our heart to the Lord’. But what is this? What is that thundering voice I hear? “DEPART FROM ME.”

From: Revival School


-by Andrew Strom

Despite the thousands in our megachurches today, soaking up the warm entertainment offered to them every week, I want to put it to you that we have lost Christianity. Despite the Christian books now found in every Walmart, and the “crossover” of Christian artists into the mainstream, and our Christian mega-stores and CD’s and DVD’s and Study-Bibles, I want to put it to you that we have lost Christianity. …

It will all be OK, the preacher tells us. We will all make it to heaven in the end. We are all “decent” people here. We have “prayed the little prayer”. We have ‘given our heart to the Lord’.

Oh yes. We will all make it, won’t we? We are all good suburban church-going folks here.

But what is this? What is that thundering voice I hear? “DEPART FROM ME.” ‘But LORD… But LORD….’

“I said – ‘DEPART FROM ME’. Don’t call me Lord. You never truly lived like I was your Lord and you know it. …

Entire Article Here



From: Andrew Strom…


ANDREW’s NOTE: Below is an excellent study of this subject by Jim Pruitt. We already discussed the dangers of the ‘Hebrew Roots’ movement some time ago. I truly don’t mind people calling Jesus “Yeshua” – unless they want to force us all to do it. Paul certainly wrote in Greek, and “Iesous” (or ‘Jesus’) was the word he used. But Yeshua is fine too. However I certainly DO mind when people start telling Gentile Christians to become “Torah Observant” – back under the Old Law. This is deadly deception in my view – directly opposed to the New Testament. But this movement has been growing and we need to be aware of what the Bible clearly teaches on this subject. Jim Pruitt’s study below will help us do that-

-extracts by Jim Pruitt.

Three issues have popped up in other areas within the public arena and it is important to address them before they become defacto doctrine. In the first century some of the Jewish Christians sought to impose these behaviors on Gentile Christians and they were addressed in several places in the New Testament (most notably in Acts 15). They are the doctrinal view that all Christians should worship on Saturday (as opposed to Sunday), should abstain from non-kosher foods, and that the Jewish holidays and festivals should still be observed. Adherence to these behaviors were explicitly commanded by God of the Hebrews in the Old Testament and most were from the book of Leviticus.

However, when Christ came He fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17-20) and “things which were a mere shadow of what was to come” were no longer applicable.

Here are verses which specifically address the Sabbath and Jewish holidays and festivals:

Colossians 2:16,17 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day–things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Romans 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

John 9:16 Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, “This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath ” But others were saying, “How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?” And there was a division among them.

Mark 2:27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”

If you read these verses without preconception (i.e., without a doctrine that you’re trying to rationalize), then their meaning is perfectly clear and self-explanatory. It’s wrong to consider someone as sinning because they don’t keep the Old Testament definition of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is made for man. If you want to consider every day holy then that’s fine. If you want to pick one day or a series of days as above others to worship God, then that’s fine, too. You won’t find any verses in the New Testament which contradict this.

Here are verses which specifically address food (in addition to Colossians 2:16,17):

Mark 7:18-20 And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.”

1 Timothy 4:3-5 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself…

Colossians 2:20-23 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)–in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.

1 Corinthians 8:8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat.

Again, these verses are self-explanatory and you will find nothing in the New Testament which offers any contradictory stance concerning food. Jesus declared all foods clean. The dietary restrictions delineated in Leviticus no longer apply.

How Is It That You Compel The Gentiles To Live like Jews?

In Acts 15, Jewish Christians tried to get the Gentiles to follow their traditions. However, after a heated discussion between those who advocated having them observe Jewish customs and the Apostles (including Paul), they only advised them to keep a minimal set of rules. There was no mention of having them observe the Sabbath, restricting their diet to kosher foods, or observing Jewish holidays. In addition, in all of Paul’s epistles to the Gentiles, there is no mention of it. In fact, I can find no indication in the New Testament or in historical records of the early church of any time where Christian Gentiles were instructed to do so. If it is not mentioned much less commanded in the New Testament, why is it important for us to reinstitute it now?

Looking at these three issues brings to mind Galatians 2 where some Jews had secretly infiltrated the Gentile Christians in order to “spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.” When Paul met with the Apostles, Peter began to refuse to sit or speak with the Gentiles (which he would normally and which was against Jewish tradition) because he was trying to keep from offending the Jewish Christians who were present. But Paul wouldn’t let it slide:

Galatians 2:13-16 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.”

I find no evidence in the New Testament or in the early church histories where Gentile Christians worshipped on Saturday, ate only kosher foods, or observed Jewish holidays. Scripture clearly indicates that these subjects are a matter of personal choice and that we are not to allow anyone to try and bring us into bondage by saying that God’s Word says otherwise…

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Andrew Strom: “USA POLITICS, RICK PERRY & the N.A.R” — Conservative Christians are trying to solve “SPIRITUAL” PROBLEMS with Politics — REVIVALS in America have always brought about the cleansing of the nation – NOT POLITICS !!! — Why do US Christians support WAR? I have never seen such confusion over patriotism and NATIONALISM being EQUATED with “CHRISTIANITY.”



I had a couple from the USA write to me today with a rather hair-raising question on US politics. But before we get to their email, let me make a couple of points. As many of you know, I am a strongly conservative evangelical Christian. And yet, I have questioned for a long time whether conservative Christians (particularly in the USA) are trying to solve “SPIRITUAL” problems with Politics – which will never work. The sheer amount of money and energy and passion that Christians in the US are devoting to “electing the right guy” seems to even dwarf what they are willing to do SPIRITUALLY.


Here are some of Andrew’s comments, among the 190 currently listed:

I was just reading another prophecy from 2008 that spoke of an actual “breakup” of America as well. It is possible – for the harsh ‘divisions’ in the USA are part of God’s judgment upon the land, I believe. Deep, deep divisions.

The “apostles and prophets” and Christian TV and secular media filth coming out of America do not help either, for they pile up even more reasons for judgment.

I am very concerned for America – I really am. One of my favorite countries in all the world.

God bless you.

Andrew Strom

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REVIVALS in America have always brought about the cleansing of the nation –



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And people PLEASE –


(Or you will get lured in and “wound up” angrier than a mule. Those guys are ‘experts’ at winding conservatives up. They make money out of it every day).

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…why do US Christians support war? Why do they act like when the USA fights, it is almost like they are “fighting for Jesus”? Why is it so important for US Christians to “support the military”? Is Christianity supposed to be spread at the point of a gun? When America wins a war (such as Panama or whatever), did they “win it for Jesus”? I have never seen such confusion over patriotism and nationalism being equated with “Christianity”. There is something very wrong.

Does it seem biblical to you?


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[Reverse-Revival Audio] Yikes, Mike! NPR’s Fresh Air: Mike Bickle an organizer of Rick Perry’s prayer rally — No wonder why no one cries out for ‘Christians’ to repent from reverse-Christian warmongering in the IHOP prayer room

Andrew Strom: People PLEASE – SWITCH OFF FOX NEWS!! — Or you will get LURED IN and “wound up” ANGRIER than a mule. Those guys are ‘EXPERTS’ at winding conservatives up. They make MONEY out of it every day.

FOX News is absolutely a reverse-Christian propaganda outfit that is deceiving many, which I reveal at ToBeFree.

– jeff

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And people PLEASE –


(Or you will get lured in and “wound up” angrier than a mule.
Those guys are ‘experts’ at winding conservatives up.
They make money out of it every day).

– Andrew Strom

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Andrew Strom: “USA POLITICS, RICK PERRY & the N.A.R” — Conservative Christians are trying to solve “SPIRITUAL” PROBLEMS with Politics — REVIVALS in America have always brought about the cleansing of the nation – NOT POLITICS !!! — Why do US Christians support WAR? I have never seen such confusion over patriotism and NATIONALISM being EQUATED with “CHRISTIANITY.”

[dream] THE SONS of THUNDER & the “NEW MUSIC” — The law officers were not allowing the Sons of Thunder (repentance prophets) to get anywhere near the church. Anointed music could open the door.

From:… (Andrew Strom)


-by James Ryle.

ANDREW STROM: When I heard the following dreams, they literally affected me more than any visions or prophecies I have ever heard…

Some people don’t like us publishing these things, but the Bible clearly says that “In the last days, says God, I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh… Your young men shall see visions. Your old men shall dream dreams.” (Acts 2:17). Dreams and visions from God can be important. They are all the way through the book of Acts. We dismiss them at our peril.

To continue – My wife and I are both musicians (-we now perform with our daughters who harmonize beautifully). For many years we have been strongly drawn to, and inspired by, the example of the Revival “street music” of the early Salvation Army. In 1989 we formed our first “street-band”, seeking God for the mighty ‘Repentance’ anointing that the early Salvationists had. We were real “Street Music/ Street Revival” type people. So when I first heard a tape of this ‘Sons of Thunder’ message years later in 1993, I just wept, as I had never before heard such powerful confirmation of all this. The anointing of God was so strong. May the following overview by James Ryle be as much of a blessing to you as it has been to me.


The following insight occurred to me in August 1990 as a result of three dreams. In the first dream I saw a flatbed trailer with a curtain behind it. This trailer was parked at a fairground, as if a concert was about to happen. There were two guitars on the mobile stage. The color of these guitars was the most vivid, electric blue that one could imagine. What impressed me most was that the guitars were not painted, but stained. It had obviously taken time to make them blue. The curtain was the same color as the guitars. Two men walked from behind the curtain with sheet music in their hands. They were very excited, and could hardly wait to play this music. One said to the other, “Wait till they hear this. Its going to be just like when the Beatles played their music!” In the dream I also became excited. I turned to see the crowd that was gathering at the stage and the scene changed before my eyes. The audience became a vast body of water, like a lake, and as the musicians played the new song I saw fishing lines cast out into the water. The dream ended. My waking thoughts were that God is about to release a new kind of song in the streets. It will bring a revelation of the truth and it will usher people into His presence. The anointing of the Lord will be with musicians who have spent time in God’s presence “behind the curtain” receiving a deep love for the lost. The lyrics of their songs will be as “fishing lines” cast into the hearts of men and women needing Christ.

In the second dream, I was on the stage in a large church. There was an equipment room on the right side of the stage. It had microphones, cables, amplifiers and other kinds of things that collect in closets. In one corner of the room I saw a power amplifier covered with dust. The cord was wrapped about it, and it had not been used for a long time. When I looked closer I saw written on the front, “The Beatles Power Amp.” I knew in that moment that this box was the source of their sound and their power. I knew that anyone could plug into this box and, in effect, have what the Beatles had – an incredible ability to mobilize masses of people to a single thing. As I stood there holding the Beatles power amplifier, I asked aloud this question, “What is this doing here in the Church’s equipment room?” Suddenly I was out of the equipment room and standing behind the pulpit at this church, still holding the amp. The enormous church, throughout the main floor and all about the balcony, was packed with people from every nation. A very beautiful woman, radiant with a glow of glory, stood in the middle of the church and began singing a song from the Lord. A light shone upon her and her voice filled the auditorium. All she sang was: “In the name of Jesus Christ the Lord we say unto you, be saved.” She sang it over and over. She would turn to her right and sing, then turn to her left and sing; then she would turn behind her and before her and sing the same thing. As I watched her sing, it was like a wind blowing on a wheat field. The people began to swoon in the presence of God and then collapse in their seats — converted to Christ! God’s power was moving through the music. The dream ended.

My thoughts upon waking were clear. There is going to be a new sound and distinctive anointing from the Lord upon music that will turn the heads and capture the hearts of men and women for Jesus. The reason the Beatles power Amp was in the Church’s equipment room is because God meant for it to be a part of the church’s equipment in reaching the lost for Christ. Music does not belong to the world, but to the Church. Music does not belong to the Devil, but to Christ. Satan has indeed stolen the hearts of musicians and their gift of music to use for his own evil purposes. The Church in many cases has unwittingly surrendered this to the devil without any fight at all. Music was given to worship the Lord but Satan has turned it for self-worship, which is the reason people tend to worship musicians. But true worship and true music belong to Jesus Christ. They are given to His church to serve Him with. I truly believe the anointing the Lord will release on music is going to sweep the world in a manner like the Beatles did when they first performed. But instead of drawing attention to themselves (like the Beatles did), the anointed musicians of the Lord will draw attention to Christ alone and give Him all the glory.

In the third dream I was again in the large church where I had seen the amplifier. This time the church was empty except for one man. He was up on stage playing a keyboard and singing to the Lord. It was a beautiful song, and he was crying because of the tender exchange taking place between he and Jesus. He was writing the song right there, spontaneously making it up as he went. I was greatly moved by this song and the man’s pure worship. I had a camera with me and decided to take a picture of this to remember it. I took two Polaroid pictures that came out immediately. When I looked at these pictures I was stunned because both of them were glowing with a golden light. I looked up and then I could see it on the man. The entire platform around him was also glowing like gold. I knew that this was the anointing of God. I showed the man, but it startled him…He looked at the pictures for a second, putting his hands in his pockets he shrugged his shoulders and kicked the ground shyly. “Gosh, I didn’t know you were here, I’m so embarrassed” was all he could say. “You don’t have to apologize for the anointing” I replied. The dream changed. I still had the two photographs of the anointed worshipper in one hand, and in the other I held a parchment. I looked at the scroll and saw it was a letter written by an unknown soldier in the Salvation Army. It said, “The Lord will release into the streets an army of worshipping warriors known as the Sons of Thunder. They will bring forth a witness of worship and praise for the Lord Jesus Christ that will bring many people to God.”

The dream changed once more. I was floating over a wide and long highway that headed in one direction. All lanes were completely grid-locked, jam packed with motorcycle gang members, revving their engines and stirring up dust. It was a graphic picture of lost humanity. Then I saw a group of bikers moving in single file along the service road. They were headed for a field in the distance where there was a monolithic stone. This stone, I knew in the dream, represented the power of Christ and would empower those who touched it to go back to the highway and turn masses of lost people back to God. I looked closer at these motorcyclists as the sped toward the Stone, and saw on their jackets the words “Sons of Thunder.”

As the Sons of Thunder approached the Stone to touch it, a barricade of law officers stood arm to arm in riot gear, opposing the motorcyclists – assuming they were intent on defacing the Stone.

At that moment, I took the parchment in my hand and folded it like a paper airplane. I then placed the photographs inside it and tossed it sail over the heads of the officers. I knew that if the pictures and the promise were to touch the Stone, then the power would be released upon the Sons of Thunder. When the paper was one foot away from the monument, just before actually touching the Stone, my dream ended. I believe this portrays the role of intercessory prayer in helping the Church get past the barricades of legalism, and open the gifts of God for reaching the lost with the message of Christ. The Sons of Thunder, represented by motorcyclists on the service road, illustrate the servantheart of ministry. They also show the agility and decisiveness necessary in reaching the lost. The fact that they were in single file shows, in my opinion, the unity we must maintain as Christians in order for our message about Christ to have credibility

Now, I extend to you a prayer that God will capture your heart and bring you into full devotion to Christ Jesus. That your passion for music will be equaled by your love for the lost. I pray that you will receive an anointing from God to minister with artistic creativity that is so compelling in its quality, and in its message – that thousands of unbelievers who are lost in darkness will see the light and turn to Jesus to be cleansed and born again!

ANDREW’s COMMENT: In pondering these dreams, it struck me that the name “Sons of Thunder” was used by Jesus for a reason. To me, when he called 2 of his disciples the ‘Sons of Thunder’ it seemed to be because they had this piercing “John the Baptist”- type attitude. “Repentance prophets”. Notice in the dream that the “law officers” were not allowing the Sons of Thunder to get to the ‘Stone’. James Ryle once told me that this Stone actually looked like a long tall “monolith”. It struck me that this was probably the “church” as it has been built up today. The law officers were not allowing the Sons of Thunder to get anywhere near the church. Their message was “not welcome”. And yet somehow it seemed that this new “anointed music” and this “early Salvation Army” approach would somehow gain them access.

Again, I realize that there are some who dislike us publishing these types of dreams and visions, but after years of prayer and “wilderness”, our family is about to release an album of what – to us – is “New Music” unlike what we have ever done before. (More “harmonies” and hopefully ‘catchier’ songs). We have no idea what the reaction will be. Is it more “anointed” in some way? We hope so – but truthfully we do not know. However, I’ll tell you something that I do feel strongly:- Music can open doors and gain us an audience with people that might otherwise never listen. And that – at the very least – is something to look forward to. We have been on this trail for years – well before we even heard of these dreams. But hopefully they will serve as “confirmation” to many who are called into this area.

-Please comment on these visions of the “New Music” below-

God bless you all.

Andrew Strom.

“My 7 Years Working for The Elijah List” — Ear-tickling messages coddling people into deceptive slumber: Positive-encouraging-words-only philosophy; the misinterpretation of Matt. 7:1-5 (not judging); the misuse of the term 'Grace' …. The end result of prophecy should be God’s people repenting.

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Prophecy Disinfo Central —
The Elijah List Exposed!

I asked to be removed from The Elijah List over a decade ago
after being so disappointed,
seeing fluff-words with no meat —
no serious calls to repentance and righteousness.
I could smell a rat.

Kevin calls this their
“encouraging words only” philosophy —
which is similar to a radio station’s jingle:
“positive-encouragement K-LOVE.”

False prophets are saying
ear-tickling messages that are
coddling people into deceptive slumber.

The Elijah List has been prophecy disinfo central.
Thankfully, Kevin explains what’s going on.

Whereas the prophecies I have on this site
are real prophecies —
quite different.

For example, a prophecy given to me:
“Let Us Be ONE”
The Red Gate Prophecy —
What If I Open It Just a Little Bit?

Also, please see:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures —
Narrow is the Way |
Who are the Children of God?

Ministries like The Elijah List
are largely responsible for the seriously sick state
of the church
and our nation.

We’re supposed to be light —
not a black hole!

Jeff Fenske
Life in the Son!

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“My 7 Years Working for the Elijah List” –
by Kevin Kleint

In The Beginning

It’s been about 3 years since I ended my employment with the Elijah List.


Let me take a small side road: For the record, I am NOT against manifestations. I’ve been “slain in the Spirit”, had Holy Laughter hit me and even physically reacted to the Holy Spirit. Believe me, when God (the Creator of the Universe) touches dirt (you and I), something is going to move. But if God touches us, there is going to be a change, a transformation, a healing of SOME sort. These people who “manifest” outwardly without becoming more and more like Him are NOT under the influence of the Holy Spirit (it’s another kind of spirit). I’ve known several people like this, who can twitch in the middle of WalMart, but have the personality of a troll. They claim to be so in tune with God, but the fruit of their lives speaks otherwise.

Mammon and the Fear of Man

Occasionally, a contributor would send us a “word” with content that didn’t necessarily jibe with the Elijah List’s “encouraging words only” philosophy. Trying to stick with the “encouragement only” philosophy, Steve would have to write introductions (sometimes 3-4 paragraphs long) to the words and try to “play down” the corrective/repentance-based element of the email. There would usually be an effort to direct people to God’s “softer” side. Occasionally, certain “offending” sentences in the submission would be completely re-worded prior to release. These subtle, and sometimes flagrant, manipulations would usually upset the contributor, especially the more “idealistic” ones.

The last time I checked the Bible, a prophet was told not to regard man’s opinion and give the Word of God…. Undiluted.

It was clear to me that, during this phase, the focus had shifted. Mammon and the Fear of Man had become the “god” of the Elijah List. I say this because, from what I experienced, every effort was made to make more money and to please man. Words were released based upon the popularity of the contributor and the profit to be made from the products they sold — not on the truthfulness or relevance the words held.


Touch NOT His Anointed?

Leadership in the prophetic movement, including the Elijah List, has constructed a cleverly crafted wall of deception that has kept them above accountability and immune from criticism and reproach. This wall of deception revolves around the misinterpretation and the misapplication of Matt. 7:1-5 (not judging) and other verses like it.

As a result, no one is able to say that they (the “prophets”) are doing anything wrong. If someone should mention that they see anything wrong with the behavior or deeds of the “prophets”, they are immediately told that they are not walking in love, and that we should give “grace” to the prophet (more on this later). They’re also told that we shouldn’t judge, because we do not want to be judged in like manner … that we should remove the plank from our own eye, rather than point out someone else’s faults (more on this later). And because we put these leaders on a pedestal (in essence, “idolizing” them), it’s really easy for most people to swallow this reasoning and to ignore the sin.

This dynamic also carries over into the church’s relationships with each other, individually. We’re all afraid to say anything about the sin in each others lives because we don’t want to be perceived as “judgmental” or “mean”. Because of this fear, sin in the Body goes unchecked and actually thrives! Why do you think our divorce, abortion, porn use, and drug abuse statistics are equal to the world? Because there is no purity, no holiness, and no Holy Spirit’s Fire in our congregations! Do you know witches and satanists can actually come into our “houses of worship” and feel comfortable? God have mercy on us!

The following verses are conveniently downplayed and/or ignored by the “prophets” and their followers:

  • 1 Cor. 6:3 “Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?” – This verse allows us to discern/judge issues concerning this life.
  • 1 Cor. 6:5 “I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?” – This verse allows us to judge issues between brethren.
  • 1 Cor.  11:31 “For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.” – This verse allows us to judge the sin in our own lives.

To Rebuke, or NOT to Rebuke?

Not only does the bible say we are to judge behavior/issues, it also gives us permission to REBUKE!

  • Luke 17:3 “Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.” – This verse allows us to rebuke our brother/sister who is in sin.
  • 1 Titus 5:20 “Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.” – This verse allows us to rebuke an ELDER who is in sin (read prior scriptures for backup).
  • 2 Timothy 4:2 – “Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.” – This verse allows us rebuke as a vital part of our preaching!
  • Titus 2:15 –  “Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.” – This verse allows us to rebuke with authority!

Most ministries associated with the Elijah List, the “prophetic” church, and much of the rest of the church, can’t stand it when you bring up these scriptures, because then the possibility of exposed sin creeps its way into their salvation equation. The weirdest thing is, they want to keep the sin hidden, and yet they wonder why they are some of the most battered, bruised and confused people in the church. I experienced it too! During my 7 years at the Elijah List, I had never experienced such defeat, sickness and confusion in my whole life! Whenever one experiences this, they are told that they are just experiencing “spiritual warfare” … that it’s enemy’s fault they are experiencing this trauma. That sounds great to a carnal mind, I mean, after all … who wants to take the blame?


Grace or Licentiousness?

If the Wall of Deception is the misuse of judgment-based scriptures, then the misuse of the term “Grace” is the mortar that holds it together.  Grace is a very nebulous term in prophetic circles and is used to replace “mercy” or “covering sin” in most conversations.  According to Steve Shultz, the Elijah List’s whole philosophy and foundation revolves around this grace.  But when you listen to him preach about grace, usually you walk away with a skewed understanding of it.  The “main idea” being that we should be nice to people because God loves them, and after all, He was nice to you, so you need to do likewise. This isn’t necessarily a wrong idea, but this isn’t “grace”, and it also plays in to the mindset of not judging anyone’s actions, thereby strengthening the Wall of Deception.

Let’s see what the Word says about Grace in Titus 2:11-15:

  • v11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
  • v12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
  • v13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
  • v14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
  • v15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

So, from the verses above, I know that if you preach a message of Grace, you need to be teaching a few things.

  • Deny ungodliness and worldly lusts
  • Live soberly and righteously in the present age
  • Look for Jesus’ return
  • (from v14) Be aware of His Work on the cross and how he sought a pure and holy people

What’s more, the message is to be preached (spoke, exhort, rebuke) with Authority. You will not find the above concepts taught in most “grace” messages these days. Unfortunately, what you’ll mostly hear about is more along the lines of “mercy” and how God wants to be your buddy. And to a church culture with itching ears, this is wonderful news! Because Jesus is their buddy, they won’t have to live righteously! They won’t have to live soberly! God has “GRACE” for all of those things!

As a result, licentiousness (unrestrained flesh) reigns supreme in our lives.

Accuracy please?

… In Jeremiah 23:21-22, God tells the prophet a vital characteristic of True Prophecy:

I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, And had caused My people to hear My words, Then they would have turned them from their evil way And from the evil of their doings.

The end result of all prophecy should be God’s people repenting …. turning their hearts back to God. Nowadays, teachings on “third heaven experiences”, “the glory realm” and “breakthrough” are labeled as prophecy. Do you see how even our definition of prophecy has become “man-centered”?


“Fathers” of the Prophetic Movement

It is not my intention to pick on specific people with this next section. I am using Bob Jones and Paul Cain as examples to show that perversion and error has had a firm foothold from the roots of this movement and is being passed on directly to the “younger” generation of prophets and their followers, who revere the “older” prophets unquestioningly, because they’ve been taught to do so.


Lack of Discernment has a Price

The hard truth is today’s false prophets and their followers boast of great prophetic insights, but actually have little or no discernment at all.

During my 7 years working for the Elijah List (and my 5 years at the Vineyard), I had so many encounters with people influenced by witchcraft (to varying degrees), pornography and the homosexual spirit, and yet NOTHING was said or done about it. As I said before, witches attended these conferences and church services, leaving unconvicted and unsaved. People with homosexual spirits and/or admitted pornography addictions were allowed to give “prophetic words” from the pulpit, unchallenged.

That is sin, people.


Love’s True Definition

The true prophets in the Old and New Testament had it right! They LOVED their nation to the point where they would say what God told them to say, even if it meant becoming the object of ridicule and disdain in the eyes of those whom they loved. Their Love begged people to repent and turn back to God, not to continue in their ways and hope to get the next “third heaven experience”. They had no concern for the number of followers they had, what conferences they were invited to, or the bottom line $$. They didn’t say ear-tickling messages that would coddle people into a deceptive slumber; they left that to the false prophets, who ALWAYS had a “positive and encouraging” thing to say.

It’s because of this Love, that I absolutely must write this. …

Entire Article Here
Gene Bacon: Judgement on the Prophets — FALSE PROPHETS tell the people what they want to hear. TRUE PROPHETS WILL WARN saints to turn from their wicked ways rather than telling them EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY in spite of their sin. There is a CORRUPT TEACHING of EXTREME GRACE that claims that Jesus forgave all our sins, past, present, and future at the cross.

Andrew Strom: The Bad News & THE GOOD NEWS!


FIRST the BAD NEWS! – Andrew Strom


(2) “IS THIS AS BAD as THE GREAT DEPRESSION?” -[More charts]-

As we have seen, 2011 is already off to a very “Shaking” start.
Tunisia and Egypt boiling over, oil prices spiking – and here in
Queensland, Australia, their biggest-ever hurricane is about to hit
land – far to the North of where my family and I are at present. (First
the floods and now this. Please keep Queensland in your prayers).

I certainly believe 2011 is going to be a “shaking” year – especially
in the areas of finance and the economy. We are in for a rough
ride yet. But I believe SPIRITUALLY – for God’s remnant – it is
very different. I believe God’s “hidden ones” are very close to a
real “breakthrough” time. In the natural things will be bad and
many people will shrink back in fear and panic. But for God’s true
remnant this will be the very situation that they have been designed
to “thrive” in – and they will be looking to “move out” into their
calling more and more. It will be increasingly a time of “action”.

I want to write more about that in a later article. But since this one
is called “First the Bad News”, let me get right to the point. In the
natural, one thing is very clear. The economy and this downturn
have been much worse than the politicians have been letting on.
In fact, they have been spending hundreds of billions propping the
rotten system up – lest it implodes. Most of us know this. But few
realize how bad and how fragile things really are.

Below are 2 websites that show conclusive proof (using charts) of
the real situation. Both of these sites are stunning in their detail
and eye-opening in the highest degree. Since we are discussing
“First the Bad News” I want you to see what we are facing at
this moment in history – so you can better be prepared.

If you have any trouble opening the links below, please see our
website (linked at the end). The links will work on there. And we
would appreciate your comments also, my friends. Take a look at these-


(2) “IS THIS AS BAD as THE GREAT DEPRESSION?” [More charts]-

Happy reading and God bless you all!

Andrew Strom.


From Andrew Strom

-by Andrew Strom.

I have friends who call Jesus “Yeshua”. I don’t mind it at all. I have other friends who keep the Saturday Sabbath. It doesn’t bother me too much, unless there is a kind-of “aggressive attitude” about it. But in recent years I have witnessed a worrying trend – that in my opinion is growing worse – and we need to address it.

Today when a Christian tells me that they are “Torah-observant” then all kinds of alarms go off. It may be that they are just into ‘Hebrew roots’ – but usually it is a lot more than that. We all know that in the early church, the biggest problem they had was with the “Judaizers” who went around trying to convince the Gentile Christians that they must obey the letter of the Old Testament Law. This shipwrecked the faith of many. It was the biggest problem they had. The book of Galatians is all about it – and many other sections of the New Testament. It was a battle between the old Law – with its subtle bondages – and the new walk of the Spirit and of grace.

A few months back, we published the testimony of a Christian woman who got involved with a Messianic group that slowly under-mined her faith in Jesus – and basically converted her gradually into a practicing Jew – even though they all thought of themselves as “Messianic Christians”! She realized later that in almost every way she had slowly had her faith in Jesus and the New Testament replaced with the keeping of the Torah. She had been “Judaized”! And I fear this is happening to a great many Christians today – in all kinds of subtle ways.

This is exactly what the Bible warns against – losing the “simplicity” of the faith. And that is why Paul was so strong against the Juda-izers. He saw that Christians were being tempted – not to place their faith in Christ alone – but rather in Christ PLUS the keeping of the Law. It was no longer a simple trust in JESUS to be their righteousness. They now started to feel they had to keep the letter of the Old Law too – in order to be truly “holy”. And so they became “Judaized”. This is the worst trap possible. And so subtle!

Let us look at a few vital Scriptures. Please open your Bible to Acts 15:1-29. This whole passage is about a great meeting of the apostles to decide whether – with the new Gentile Christians – it was “necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses” (v 5). So what did the apostles conclude about this? As Peter declared during the debate about it, “Why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?” (v 10).

At the end of the great meeting, the apostles put out a letter to the Gentile Christians that declared: “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.” (v. 28-29). And as far as the Old Law went, that was it!

In other words, no “Torah observance”, no Sabbath, no circumcision, no Old Law apart from these few things. This brief list only. That was the pronouncement of the apostles. If they wanted to tell the Gentiles, “You must keep the Jewish Sabbath,” then this was the place to do it. But it is definitely not included. And neither are a thousand-and-one other things from the Old Testament. [including tithing – editor]

What is Real Revival?

Note: I strongly agree with Andrew Strom in most things. I really like his teaching. He really has a heart for God! But I think this is one of the few areas we would somewhat differ. Andrew talks about “genuine, unspeakable joy” happening after repentance, but I’ve seen God give people joy from which it is much easier to repent.
So many people have been hurt, today, that many don’t really know that God really, really loves them. They don’t know that they can totally trust God. Who is to say that joy can’t be up-front, that God can’t fill people with joy while the people are getting re-aquainted, learning to know and trust God again as Abba Father?
I know for a fact that it is often the Holy Spirit that is moving when people shake and even laugh. I’ve experienced it myself, and the more I forgave, the more I shook and laughed. It was more thrilling than riding a roller coaster, by far! And I’ve had many encounters since, sometimes daily (especially lately); though, not of this magnitude. I’ll explain later.
Shaking and laughing isn’t the problem. Doctrine is the problem. False doctrine, doctrines of demons are the problem. When things get weird at many of the so-called revival meetings, the problem stems from a lack of holiness and purity that plagues ‘Christianity,’ today. Without real repentance, the demons stay, and things can get really weird. ‘Christians’ are taught that they’ll get to heaven almost no matter what—that it’s hard to lose one’s salvation—and some even teach that it’s impossible, “once saved, always saved.”
Without holiness, no one will see God. God wants to help us get right with Him and each other. We should let Him do whatever He wants, but we must realize that our salvation is at stake if we don’t get right and learn to stay right with Him and each other. Our salvation is on the line! This isn’t a game. This is dead serious. We need to get right with Him and each other at all costs!
This is an example of a real revival, that I believe can soon happen in our midst: Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?” And this time it can last! But it’s up to us.
Real revival is ONE happening — Jesus’ heart-cry for us to be truly being one with each other in Him!
May we be ONE, this year!!!!!!!
: )
From: TRUE & FALSE REVIVAL: An Insider’s Warning, by Andrew Strom – Chapter 3 excerpt


As someone who has been studying and writing on Revival history for many years, I’m sure you can understand why I have often been saddened by the corruption of the term “Revival” – and what it actually means. This book is all about “True and False Revival”, so I guess it is high time that we look at the elements of TRUE Revival that have been seen again and again down the centuries.

Today, so few Christians seem to be aware of what really happens when God comes down (for that is what true Revival is – “GOD COMING DOWN”). When Moses came down from the mountain, he carried the holy presence and glory of God with him. The people wanted to run and hide! That is what true Revival has always been like. It is an invasion of the awesome holy presence of God – which is why the pattern of what happens in Revivals often repeats itself. Men’s hearts are essentially the same in each generation – so God’s holy presence has the same effect. Some get convicted, some want to run and hide, many cry loudly in repentance. Over and over, from the Book of Acts until now – we see the same things. And in a lot of ways, that makes it easier to discern the counterfeit from the real thing.

I am talking now about thousands of years of Revivals – where God has convicted men and women in the same way. Some people tell me, “Oh, it is going to be different this time.” Yes, there will always be something “new” in each Revival, but essentially God deals with the hearts of men in a similar way each time. I really hate it when people call the latest froth-and-bubble fad that is sweeping through the church ‘Revival’. …

As one writer commented, Revival is “not the top blowing off, but rather the bottom falling out.” And as Frank Bartleman (of the “Azusa Street‟ Revival) wrote: “I received from God early in 1905 the following keynote to revival: ‘The depth of revival will be determined exactly by the DEPTH OF THE SPIRIT OF REPENTANCE.’ And this will obtain for all people, at all times.” Anyone who has studied Revival history will say a big ‘Amen’ to Bartleman’s words here.

It is not uncommon, in real Revivals, for people to be so stricken with conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit that they are literally unable to do anything except lie face-down and cry out to God for mercy, in the greatest distress, until assured by Him that they have received His forgiveness. (Usually, especially in the early stages of Revival, these will be CHRISTIANS who have been harboring sin of some kind in their lives). Sometimes they may even feel the need to confess their sin publicly before forgiveness and cleansing can take place. We must never forget that Revival is firstly aimed at the Christians. As history clearly shows, it is a flood of deep cleansing, repentance and empowering aimed at “reviving” God’s people, so that they can bring in a mighty harvest. The following is a description of some of the Revival prayer meetings that took place in the Welsh Revival of 1858-59 (typical of many Revivals): “It was in its terrors that the eternal became a reality to them first. They seemed plunged into depths of godly sorrow… For some weeks it was the voice of weeping and the sound of mourning that was heard in the meetings. The house was often so full of the divine presence that ungodly men trembled terror-stricken; and at the close, sometimes they fled as from some impending peril…”

One eyewitness said of the famous 1904 Welsh Revival that it was not the eloquence of Evan Roberts that broke men down, but his tears. “He would break down, crying bitterly for God to bend them, in an agony of prayer, the tears coursing down his cheeks, with his whole frame writhing. Strong men would break down and cry like children… a sound of weeping and wailing would fill the air.” …

In this kind of genuine outpouring of the Holy Spirit, the tangible presence of God is very real. Frank Bartleman described one of the meetings during the Azusa Street Revival of 1906 as follows: “God came so wonderfully near us the very atmosphere of Heaven seemed to surround us. Such a divine ‘weight of glory’ was upon us we could only lie on our faces. For a long time we could hardly remain seated even. All would be on their faces on the floor, sometimes during the whole service. I was seldom able to keep from lying full length on the floor on my face.”

This overwhelming sense of being in the awesome presence, the “shekinah glory” of a holy God, brings agonizing conviction of sin to those whose hearts are not right with Him, but also great rejoicing and true joy to the ones who know they have been washed clean. These extremes of great sorrow over sin, followed by genuine ‘joy unspeakable’, often bring accusations of emotionalism and hysteria from those who oppose the Revival. However, it has been found that deep and genuine moves of God that begin with deep conviction, and result in deep joy, have always produced sound and lasting fruit wherever they have occurred.

True & False Revival: An Insider’s Warning, by Andrew Strom is available at Amazon

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The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s 1909 prophecy of the shekinah glory returning to the church in 100 years: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. …the fear of God was on the community, and no one dared join them. But they were highly esteemed. Why did no one dare join them?”
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

Andrew Strom: Love People Please!

From: Revival School

When I was a young Christian I was a total zealot. There is nothing wrong with that, but sadly I was often a zealot without wisdom – and also WITHOUT LOVE. I cared for “truth” more than I cared for people, and I did not even notice that I was often using Truth as a sword to crush people with, rather than set them free.

A lot of young zealous Christians are like that – but I was particularly bad because I had a ‘prophetic’-type personality – very intense, very black and white. I would walk into a room full of Christians and start an argument at the drop of a hat. I was not afraid to “blast” anyone. Truth was king – the most important thing – and that was all I cared about. This was not just an “occasional” problem with me – this was the way I lived and breathed. Total, all-out zealotry.

I do not have this approach to life any more – though I still care deeply about truth. (-For that is the way God made me). Sometimes I will still debate things with people – though very rarely.

Over the years God changed me utterly. In fact, to change my hardened heart He had to break me and break me and break me some more. And each time He did so, a little bit of LOVE got in. I’m sure He is still doing so today.

I started to realize that from God’s point of view, the most precious thing in all the earth is PEOPLE. We can see this in the most famous verse in the Bible- “For God SO LOVED the world….” There it is – He so LOVES PEOPLE. He sent His son to die for PEOPLE. That is what it is all about.

There is an old Maori saying from New Zealand, which I have to love- “The most valuable thing in all the world is PEOPLE, it is PEOPLE, it is PEOPLE.”

And yet to me in those early years, it was not “people” that I deeply cared about at all. The only thing I deeply valued was the ‘Truth’ that I was trying to put across that day.

Andrew Strom: Our Only Hope is to Have Revival in the Midst of Judgment — It's Already Too Late

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from “SURVIVE THE COMING DEPRESSION” (-Nov 07), posted now at Revival School’s Home Page

“We’ve got to prepare for what is about to happen in America. … It’s coming, and it cannot be stopped. No amount of praying will stop it. It’s already too late. We have one hope, and one hope only for revival in America, and that is to have revival in the midst of judgments.

– Andrew Strom

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THE END of EMPIRE AMERICA — "Change has come to America"

From: Revival School (Andrew Strom)

NOTE from Mario Liu:  On 16 October 2008 I was in a prayer
meeting with Robert Holmes, and Kurt Pfanstiel, who was visiting
us from the USA. Robert shared with us a vision he has recently
received. Robert had a vision of Alexander the Great standing
victorious in the middle of USA.

We discussed about Robert’s vision in some details. Alexander
the Great in the vision was a foreign looking man. He was
surrounded by many US citizens, who seemed to welcome
Alexander as their leader. I asked Robert whether there were any
signs of violence and Robert said no.

I remembered God has given similar visions before about
Alexander the Great conquering USA and we did not understand
God’s meaning then. Now that God repeated this vision, I felt that
there is significance in this and asked God for more revelations,
such as which country is conquering USA, who is Alexander etc.
But God did not give us any clear revelations apart from saying
that “Alexander took Babylon without bloodshed.”

After the US election, Robert recognised that the Alexander he
saw was Obama
. Then God revealed more information. These
revelations are enclosed below… We need to pray.

Andrew Strom's New Book: "SURVIVE THE DEPRESSION—The Shaking Has Begun"

From: A Revival School Email

Those who have been on this List for awhile will remember Andrew
Strom’s series of articles and sermons starting over 2 years ago –
predicting both a Housing Crash and then a disastrous Depression.
Many simply did not believe it could get that bad – but now every
news headline confirms the accuracy of what was spoken. Andrew’s
new book, “SURVIVE THE DEPRESSION” goes much further,
giving vital insights into the “big picture” of what is really going on,
and how it will affect every one of us. Here are some of the topics
covered in this brand new book-

-What is still to come and how bad things will get
-The global “big picture” of what it all means
-How to survive and even “thrive” in such challenging times
-Spiritual preparation vs. “physical” preparation
-What should we do?
-How this crisis ties in with a massive “shaking” and Reformation
of the church
-The response that God is looking for from His remnant
-What you need to be focused on at this time
-And much more….

From Andrew Strom: TWO 1990's VISIONS of THE CRASH

– by Bryan Hupperts. (Nov 3, 1997)

I wanted to write and share a vision I had several years ago…
The Lord showed me a body laying on a bed in a hospital setting.
The patient was named The Economy. His chart was at the foot
of his bed and the lines on the graphs seemed to be marked by
sharp up and down turns.
He was breathing “falsely”. He was surrounded by many specialists
who were doing many things to keep him alive. He was totally on
artificial life support. Just then, the Chief Physician came in,
looked at the patient, and declared, “This patient is dead. Let that
which is dead die.” With his own finger, he threw the switch to cut
off the life support.
The Economy heaved, gasped, and died horribly.
I believe that we are headed for a global meltdown of the world
economy. This will bring chaos and ruin but will strip people of
their false god of money and many souls will be brought to Christ.
If we are walking in obedience to the Lord, we have nothing to fear.
Ask the Lord for wisdom to get your economic house in order.
Seek first the kingdom of God, And his righteousness, and all
these things (materials needs) will be added unto you.
[~ ]
– by Harold Eatmon. (1997).

“…In my last article I mentioned a vision of the Stock Market’s
‘Big Board’ having serious upcoming problems.  I saw the Stock
Market soar and then crash.  After the crash, many big business
corporations and private parties bought up stocks because of the
low cost to buy in.  Then I saw the market begin to climb again
in a short period of time.  Then it crashed again bringing tremendous
loss, ruin, and devastation to all who bought in the first time.
This is what I have labeled “Two Black Mondays.”  The time period
between the Two Black Mondays was very close together.  I could
not tell exactly how close.  It could be a couple of days to a
couple of months.  There are some tell-tale signs indicating the
season and the setting.  *I saw the season to be when ‘the leaves
fall to the ground’ then the first crash would occur.*  I also saw
the Yen and Mark fall dramatically just before this sudden and
inexplicable crash.  Like Joseph in Genesis, I believe America
will have fat years of financial blessing.  I also believe there
are coming lean years of financial difficulty for America.
I do not believe God is showing this so people can beat the game
financially.  I rather believe He is saying keep your eyes on
eternal things.  Store up treasures in Heaven.”
~The Trumpeter Journal, mid-1997.
Harold Eatmon Ministries, Int’l
PO Box 48402
Minneapolis, MN  55448, USA.

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Related: Andrew Strom: The Depression Has Begun

Andrew Strom: The Depression Has Begun

From: Revival School

-by Andrew Strom.

Ten months ago in November 2007 while preaching in Wisconsin
USA, I felt a strong unction from the Holy Spirit to speak about
the future of the United States and the imminent Crash. As often
happens under that kind of anointing, a real boldness came over
me, and for the first time I found myself clearly putting a “date”
on the coming financial Depression – something I had never done
before – except in the vaguest of terms. I found myself predicting
that tragically within six months America would be in Recession,
and within 12 months the actual Depression would begin.
(-This audio is on our website – )

So let us look at the evidence. It is now ten months later. Has the
Depression begun? Sadly the answer has to be “Yes”. In the last
two weeks the two largest mortgage giants in the world (Fannie
Mae & Freddie Mac) failed, the largest Insurance Company on earth
crashed (all taken over by the US Government), Lehman Brothers
went bankrupt (almost taking the entire financial system with it),
Money Markets reeled, the two remaining giant Investment banks
sought protection as “holding banks” – which means the end of
Wall Street as we know it, etc, etc. Stocks are in turmoil, Oil leapt
on Monday by the most ever recorded, gold is volatile – and on it
goes. -The most shattering two weeks since the Great Depression.
Meanwhile the US Treasury is seeking 700 billion dollars in a
forlorn effort to put Humpty back together again – tragically too late.


Why is this storm hitting America at this time? There are certainly
many reasons – most of which we have discussed before. But let
me put something else before you that I believe God spoke to me
not long ago:- There are “Jonahs” on the boat – and they are
sending the nation down.

Who are these Jonahs? I believe they are the “prophets” of America
who will not preach the truth – who sleep comfortably in the bowels
of the nation while chaos reigns all around them. Too afraid to
deliver God’s word ‘Repent’, they run the other way – toward smooth
talk and pleasant sayings – “Peace peace” when there is no peace.
And the depths of this great crisis can be laid directly at their door.

Yes – that’s right. A big reason why the ship of America is sinking
is because her prophets ran away from their God-given task and
message at the crucial moment.

If only these prophets had preached the TRUTH when the nation
so desperately needed to hear it. If only they had begun – way
back in the 1980’s – to call the lukewarm church to repentance,
to rebuke the people for their love of money, their greed, their sin.
But no – the siren call of “popularity” was too strong. The call of
“grace, grace”, of mass acceptance, of big reputations and even
bigger offerings. And so they sold out. And now they sleep bliss-
fully in the midst of the ship, while the storm whips to fury all
around. How do you sleep, O Jonahs, who would not cry “Repent”?

And it is not just the “prophets” either. It is the televangelists too.
Caught up in a world of fakery, hype and money-grubbing unseen
in the church since the Dark Ages, these hucksters are spreading
their garbage to every Third World Revival nation around the globe.
Greed, manipulation and pride on a scale that only America could
generate. Where is your shame, O charlatans of greed?

And so God is forced to act. And just like Jonah, the storm will
not abate until the wayward preachers are thrown overboard. Until
America is rid of these international thieves and prostitutes, she
is finished. And she will not recover until they are gone.

You see, it is not just the leaders who are at fault here. It is also
the people, who “love to have it so”. And thus until the heart of the
people is scourged and purged they will accomodate the “Jonahs” –
even seeking more of their ear-tickling fables to comfort themselves
in this time of breaking.

Until the heart of American greed is shattered – until her people
act of their own volition to throw these Jonahs overboard – this
storm will go on and on. In fact, it is about to grow a whole lot worse.

Mark my words, America: Until you remove these Jonahs, your
nation cannot recover. They have held the whole world in thrall by
their apostasy. And God cannot have it so any more. How long will
it take you to realize? How long will it take you to act?

THROW THE JONAHS OVERBOARD and be done with them!!
Only then will this mother of all storms subside.

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God bless you all,

Andrew Strom.

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