Let Us Be ONE, Part 8 of 33
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
Give sheep a rest from all those things they do. Don’t put burdens on them.
Tithing is not Biblical. Tithing is from another era, before I gave My Son, before I died so you could be free. A new way, a better way has come, and it will give you life.
Churches are dead, living for themselves. Unity has not occurred. Get up and pray. Do not faint, and I will give you life.
Give by the Spirit’s desires. He will tell you what to do and who to minister to. The Holy Spirit is your friend. We are ONE, and We are in you, giving you life as you obey.
Do not be afraid of My leading. The problem with many is sin. Sin separates, and sin destroys the yoke.
The carriage must have a driver. Most drive themselves, unaware of My presence, unaware that I want to lead.
© 2008 Jeff Fenske
Let Us Be ONE: Table of Contents
[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts
2 thoughts on “Tithing or the Carriage Driver?”
In regards to your “prophecy” on tithes
Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42
“Woe to you, scibes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, WITHOUT NEGLECTING THE OTHERS.
Never mind that it is the one thing we are allowed to test God in, bringing in the whole tithe to receive blessings.
…From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked
I totally believe we are actlualy required to give even more nowadays, the richer you are, the more you need to give. Also, remember, those tithes go to help those in the community and afar as well as the pastor (and the worker is worth his wages) that money needs to come from somewhere. Just because some churches are outta wack with tithing is no reason to say one shouldn’t do it. Remember Jesus didn’t take away anything from the law, it is more like He added to it!
Jesus hadn’t died for the Pharisees yet, nor had the Holy Spirit come. They were still under the law and the priesthood system. The veil had not yet been rent. They couldn’t be led by the Holy Spirit directly. Now we are supposed to or we are not truly children of God (Romans 8).
Galatians especially addresses those who desire to remain under the law. Paul summarizes in chapter 5:
Trying to apply the old covenant tithing teaching to the new covenant is destructive in many ways. It’s one of the main reasons spiritually dead ‘churches’ stay dead. The money comes in regardless of the leadership actually following Christ or not. And they’re often not in part because they pray that people tithe to them, which is actually putting religious spirits on people (James-3 curses). They’re praying that people do something that isn’t Biblical. God doesn’t answer these prayers, but Satan will. Tithing is a doctrine of demons, driven in many cases by the love of money, the so-easy-to-slide-into “root of all evil.”
Pastors have rejected God’s remedy for this so-easy-to-fall-into vice. Instead, they should be teaching people to be led by the Holy Spirit, which is one of the fundamentals of real Christianity, a requirement for actually being a Christian.
Tithing robs God of our devotion to Him, and it robs the people from their personal responsibility for what happens in ‘churches.’ Most leaders are disqualified according to 1 Timothy and Titus, and shouldn’t get a penny until they are, if they are even called to lead. Many are not. And those who are in charge see to it that those who are called to lead don’t get the opportunity, especially through what they pray (James-3 curse). It’s that bad, as many of my “‘Christians’ Cursing People” posts show.
The hate and anger is fierce. Most ‘church’ leaders are disqualified from going to heaven on that basis alone, according to Galatians 5, etc..
They have a lock on the truth and won’t even give researchers who know better the courtesy to discuss these matters. Hopefully, this will change soon.
‘Churches’ are brainwashing, mind-control institutions that are very similar to how the media mind-controls the people with their agenda. Pastors push their agenda, ‘praying’ that people believe and follow what they teach and don’t believe what others teach — instead of teaching people to hear and follow God themselves. Pastors too much lead people to themselves instead of to Christ. They like to be seen by men.
Real church leaders don’t really care who is in the pulpit as long as the truth is taught and people are walking in love.
Tithing often also keeps churches from doing well financially, because dead churches don’t produce real fruit. Who wants to give to that? The disinfo machine works hard (“God loves a cheerful giver”) so the people don’t get disgruntled from seeing their money produce wood, hay and stubble.
Living churches produce fruit. And when there is real fruit, the people will want to give and the Holy Spirit will encourage them to give.
Tithing is one of the most destructive doctrines in the church today, largely because it has to do with the “love of money” issue and “led by the Holy Spirit” principle. In some ways, it even elevates the leadership into a type of priestly class, separate and above the people to where they are untouchable. Who are you to tell us what to do? You are here to give us money so we can lead you….
What? Who is supposed to be the head of the church? Who are they supposed to be teaching the people to be led by?
Hmmm. It’s a dangerous thing to put people under the law, to park their brains and hearts at the door when it comes to what and to whom to give. It’s like when the “Christians” elected George W. Bush, thinking he’s a real Christian. And then everything he does, more or less, they support, regardless of how reverse-Christian or unconstitutional his actions were. And then we find out he doesn’t even believe the Bible isn’t literally true http://tobefree.press/2008/12/10/bush-the-bible-isnt-literally-true-evolution-is-scientifically-proven-jesus-isnt-the-only-way.
Pastors have conditioned the people to just give them their money and then trust them, just like “Christians” are to support the republican party no matter what.
The result is: dead churches and a dead country, still saying “God with us;” though, God resists the proud — those who don’t look to Him for guidance — those who rubber stamp disqualified church leaders and politicians that are bringing in the police state in which no one can by or sell unless they take the mark….
Tithing discourages critical thinking and participation in the process. Church leaders should be accountable to the people. The money shouldn’t automatically come in.
And I almost forgot to mention that many Christians smell a rat and just stay home. If the real thing happened, they would enthusiastically participate, with their money too.
Church leaders, you don’t want to be leading if you’re not called to lead by God and Biblically qualified to lead, right? If you’re called by God to lead and qualified then what are you afraid of? Why don’t you let God prompt people to give instead of insisting that they be law led? If the money doesn’t come in then maybe someone else should be leading whom the Holy Spirit would encourage people to enthusiastically support. Church leaders should be able to abide in Christ or they should step down and let those lead who can and will. It shouldn’t be a “sweaty ministry” — man-powered.
Why don’t most church leaders encourage prayer much anymore? Why are the prayer rooms mostly empty, and/or prayer times really short? Partly because when people seek God they learn things. And if there is something fishy about the leadership they may catch on and not want to support what is going on.
And what about churches who have hurt people but refuse to get right with them? The money should still keep coming in, right?
Many churches are like dysfunctional families that have abusers and enablers (who go along to get along). And those who say these relationships need to be healed before we can move on as a family get pushed out so the abuser(s) can save face (though he’s already lost it). And then the enablers stay in favor, keeping their high-visibility spot in the family though no one is getting right with each other. Love isn’t happening; though, they’re all smiles as if it was. And certainly, God isn’t ruling their hearts. It’s all a phony front.
When this happens in the church, the Holy Spirit won’t move people to fund this. But tithing will. And the dysfunction and cover-up goes on and on….
And when people don’t get right with those whom they’ve hurt, keeping the unforgiveness and anger brewing, what happens when they die? Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way http://onecanhappen.com/2008/01/14/who-goes-to-heaven-scriptures
And the judgment is even greater for church leaders, who the Bible guarantees a stricter judgment. So even though dysfunctional leaders will fight like crazy in their hearts those teach the truth about tithing, they’re putting themselves not only in jeopardy of eternal damnation, but of the worst torment hell has to offer for all eternity.
I do believe it’s possible for a church leader to teach tithing and go to heaven, but when teachers insist that people are to be led by the law instead of the Holy Spirit in this key, money area, they are way out there on a limb that isn’t really attached to the Vine. The law cuts off the sap.
And having said all of this, I’ve just now included the link above to Russell Kelly’s (Ph.D) excellent teaching that totally blows away tithing as even being slightly possibly a Biblically okay doctrine for today.
Tithing shouldn’t be a benchmark or a factor at all regarding today’s giving principles. The resistance to letting this doctrine go is causing all kinds of sins among leadership and those who tithe or are sick of the leaders insisting that the people give them 10% of their gross income.
Oh, but they’re “not giving to men but to God.” Really? “Don’t you dare rob God…” What did God say in the prophecy above? I didn’t make this up, you all. It’s tithing or the Carriage Driver.
This false doctrine keeps us from Him!!! Teaching tithing is very serious. It’s a sin against the Holy Spirit!