"Jeff, would I be correct in surmising that you subscribe to Oneness Pentecostalism?" My answer …

Carl, a reader asked:

Jeff, would I be correct in surmising that you subscribe to Oneness Pentecostalism (Apostolic Pentecostalism)?

I thought I’d share this with everyone in a post.
It’s now easy for me to say where I am politically, because of this one man, Ron Paul. I’m close to being a pure libertarian. I pretty much believe what Ron Paul teaches and practices, including how we should treat other nations regarding war. Who would Jesus bomb? “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” Where does this leave the mostly warmongering, Republican ‘church?’ Children of God if they’re not peacemakers?
My other freedom site, tobefree.press, demonstrates this.
But regarding a denomination designation, I’m not as easily defined. If we had a right-on-in-doctrine denomination we would have had revival and real Christianity a long time ago, I believe.
I had to look up oneness pentecostalism in Wikipedia  to refresh my memory as to some of their finer points.
I’m definitely not Jesus-only. I believe in one God in three persons. I’m not sure where the Holy Spirit fits in though (I’m not sure anyone does). Jesus and the Father are certainly separate-yet-one. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is a separate person too? I sometimes refer to th Holy Spirit by name.
I don’t believe that Jesus-name baptism is biblical, either; though, the church I attended for years (and likely will again) at least used to teach that. I believe it’s false doctrine.
And I do believe that Jesus has a dress code, but it’s simply this: Jesus’ Dress Code. In this, Jesus says: “Give people space, as long as it’s holy.” I also wrote: The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy. This is serious. Lust is clearly a salvation issue. God’s standard hasn’t changed along with society.
And since I just linked to part of my Let Us Be ONE prophecy, I definitely believe that every Christian can and should hear God’s voice, but most ‘Christians’ have so many demons in them that they can’t tell which voice is God’s: There Should Only Be One Voice.
And some people really are prophets (Eph. 4:11), but today’s Christianity largely shuns, even prays against (James-3 curses) the real ones. Yesterday’s men don’t want to be bothered by tomorrow’s men. “Many don’t even know they are yesterday’s men,” R. T. Kendall. Most pastors are yesterday’s men, way out of touch with God’s will because they think they can function properly without prophetic people’s balancing effect. I’ve led a very lonely life. It’s so frustrating to have the answers and not only get dissed, but James-3 cursed every single day, many times.
I don’t know of even one church that understands the current James-3-cursing epidemic! Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within and A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls).
How’s this one: “Blessed Subtractions” = Pastors ‘Praying’ People Out of Their Churches
The only book that I’m aware of written on the subject is written by: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”.
It’s like friendly fire in the military. But in the church, those who have the information vital for moving the army forward to win the battle get shot at from within the ‘church.’ So forward progress has been almost impossible, especially when it comes to reforming the doctrines of demons, which I think are really exactly that.
And many ‘Christians’ (especially the leaders) have so many demons in them that they don’t even know they’re demon driven. And many churches don’t believe a demon can even be in them.
I do believe very strongly that Jesus wants us all to be ONE with each other in Him, according to John 17. But this is far different than where most Pentecostal churches are today. Most pentecostals probably hardly ever speak in tongues too.
I believe that all Christians can and should speak in tongues. This is the number one way to deal with demons, to build up our faith. And we can pray for others in tongues too. But hardly anyone teaches this; though, I think it’s easily clinically and scientifically verifiable/provable.
I definitely do *NOT* believe a person needs to speak in tongues to be a Christian (contrary to what some pentecostals believe). But I think it would be really hard to be holy without speaking in tongues, though, at least in this severely backslidden church period. Once revival happens, tongues won’t be as crucial as they are now. There will be a lot of real worship, real holiness, and we’ll be one.
Tongues, to me, are Christianity 101. When I became a Christian, I knew somehow that the road would not be easy and that I needed everything I could to make it. So I pursued this gift; though, I ended up needing help in Anchorage to get over the fear of saying something that wasn’t of God. I would have been dead long ago without having AND USING this gift.
From my experience, this is our personal prayer language primarily given to us so we can deal with the demonic without having to know the yukky actualities of what we’re dealing with. I wrote a long comment on this: I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues. A reader thankfully put me over the edge : )
But I get along with those who choose not to do this too. But usually, it’s so obvious they could do so much better if they used the gift God is so eager to give them — if we’d only be like little children. I’ve learned not to push, to give people space. I’m learning to be a libertarian spiritually, as well as politically.
I would agree with the oneness pentecostals that holiness follows salvation, rather than causes it. But most pentecostals are mostly into the “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation” brand of OSAS. Most pentecostals really aren’t into real holiness. I believe we must be right with God and people enough (according to what the Bible says: Who-Goes-To-Heaven…/Who are the children of God), so that we have a clear conscience so we will have faith to enter heaven when we meet the Holy Judge face to face (1 John).
Most pentecostal churches are currently spiritually dead; though, maybe they once had a reputation for being alive. And often, even then they were really still in trouble (Rev. 3:1-6).
I only know of one church leader who teaches somewhat closely to what I do regarding salvation, but he’s no longer leading a specific church: Daniel Rodes [the site is buggy though, I just discovered]. And we developed our doctrines independently. He’s amazing! I know him and his wife very well from our visits. We definitely don’t agree on everything, but that doesn’t affect our friendship adversely. Which brings up this doctrine that is so popular in pentecostal churches, as they keep the law in the new covenant church.
I am totally against the old covenant doctrine of tithing. Tithing is reverse-Holy-Spirit-led, and this is part of what kills the revivals. I wrote this: The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit. And if anyone is still skeptical, this should put this forever bury this false doctrine: Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine.
I suppose I’m somewhat into restorationism — that the early church (before ~100 A.D.) had the real thing happening, and we need to get that back. Although, it’s clear in Rev. 2 and 3 that most of the churches at that point had serious problems.
I consider this time to be a fabulous time to do research to discover what is true doctrinally and experientially. We have so much church history and tools available that we have no excuse. And now we have the end of America to help speed up the process.
I firmly believe that false doctrine is the number one problem in the church, and contrary to popular belief, we need true doctrine will get us back on our feet, jumping for joy!!!
I also LOVE worship with instruments too, including electric guitar, keyboards, drums, etc.. Some pentecostals shun modern instruments as if they’re demonic in themselves. I think the key is that the musicians must be holy to be able to worship in Spirit and in truth. It’s not about us. It’s about Him. Most worship leaders, today, don’t really worship, themselves, while they’re supposedly leading others. And the pastors accept this dead, non-worship because in their sin, many are actually uncomfortable in the presence of God. If God would show up in glory like He did in Acts, I think many pastors would be struck dead. Which is probably the main reason God doesn’t show up in His manifest presence. We must be holy first. Mike Bickle: Making a Purity Covenant so the HOLY Spirit can come and we won’t get zapped … to bless His heart — that we may be ONE!
There will be a day when we’re all holy. I just hope it happens before we totally lose our country. It should have happened many years ago. Then Christians would have voted for Ron Paul and our country would be in good shape.
I believe it’s too late for that now: ‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Having said all that, if someone asks me to categorize myself, I usually just say I’m a non-denominational charismatic; though, that doesn’t really say who I am.
And Calvinists call me Arminian, as far as my belief that God sovereignly has decided to give us all free will. And it doesn’t give Him glory to say that He is sovereign dictator of everything. This would make Him an ogre. God wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus died for everyone, but it’s up to us as the Holy Spirit enables us, gives us grace to overcome.
And then, being born-again is just the start of our adventure in God — within His parameters — He who loves us so much!
Jeff Fenske
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Related:
Chip Brogden: What is Spiritual Unity?

4 thoughts on “"Jeff, would I be correct in surmising that you subscribe to Oneness Pentecostalism?" My answer …

  1. For my own part Jeff i have no denomination, I am a Christian and thats it a follower of Christ.
    I think many people get toiled with the “I am a baptist, I am a catholic” etc. And as the scriptures rightly teach only “One” was crucified for us, Christ Jesus no denomination can save you only Christ Jesus can.
    Pentecost was a moment in Time not a religion, although it was a very important moment in biblical history the Lord could have sent the gift Holy Spirit a day / two etc after pentecost He did note state at what time He would send the Spirit, He simply said wait in Jerusalem to receive the Gift.I have to wonder who would who lay claim to the title “pentecostal” if that were the case.
    Regards
    Adrian

    1. Jeff Fenske

      Adrian,
      Pentecost was a moment in time that is supposed to continue until Jesus comes back.
      Pentecostals are just saying that they accept what was done then as still continuing to this day.
      And this happened in other places in Acts too — with the exception that there is no mention that when tongues were spoken by these new converts that others could understand what they were saying in their native language. This seems to be exclusive to Acts 2. This was also not the case for Paul in 1 Cor. 14, when talks about how he prays in private more than anyone in his personal prayer language.
      There is no indication in the Bible at all that praying in tongues was to ever stop until we are in heaven, seeing face to face, knowing then fully even as we are fully known (1 Cor. 13).
      Jeff

  2. Adrian

    Hi Jeff,
    I think you misunderstood my intentions, Indeed the receiving of Holy Spirit was/is to continue as are the gifts thereof, but pentecost itself ( The Jewish celebration of the feast of weeks ) is simply a jewish customary day ( the feast of weeks ) as i am sure you know.If the gifts had been given of the day of atonement some people/religious group would have chosen that particular name for their religion/beliefs.Until pointless barriers are broken down between Christian groups we have no chance of being one worldwide brotherhood.
    Therefore as i previously explained it is not so much that pentecost is to continue ( except in the regard that the day is celebrated by Jews ), but the received gifts are to continue. As regards speaking in tongues until the heavenly age i agree completely.But i also believe we will all speak in a new tongue during the kingdom as all will be one in Christ.
    God bless you
    Adrian

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