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Col. Bob Bowman: The immorality they're foisting on this country — We haven't been the good guys for a long time. The countries we've invaded happen to be the few countries in the world that are not part of the Rothschilds' banking cartel.

This is the kind of thing I prove at ToBeFree, if you’re interested. I brought this over, changing the title.
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God.
Where does this leave the ‘Christians’ who have been supporting these truly immoral wars? Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
We need to come out from them and be separate — and repent from our wicked ways to be holy.
Life in the Son,
Jeff Fenske

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

“Take a look at the countries we’ve invaded, like Iraq, like Libya. And what you find with all of these countries: they happen to be the few countries in the world that are not part of the Rothschilds’ banking cartel. They are independent of them. They do not take money from the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. They print their own money, like we’re supposed to do under our Constitution.”

We haven’t really been the good guys for a long time. And it’s about time the American people understood that — understood what the politicians and the banksters are doing to this country, and the immorality that they’re foisting on our country through its policies.

And it’s time that our brave young men and women in the armed forces understood that they are not on a humanitarian mission. They’re not being the good guys. They’re working for the bad guys. They’re part of empire.”

“We have to understand that the entire war on terror is phony…, not just because 9/11 was a lie…. But beyond that, the real reasons for Iraq and for Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. Those wars were planned way in advance before 9/11, planned in detail, pushed for by the PNAC crowd, Wolfowitz and Pearl, Zelikow and Cheney. All of the traitors.”

– Colonel Bob Bowman

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former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions, Bob Bowman.
Dr. Bowman campaigned nationwide for the nomination of the Reform Party of the United States of America for the presidency in 2000.

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  1. father of five

    Your inclusion of Dr. Bowman belies a sort of spiritual willful ignorance. After only a brief search (I’ve had to briefly search many people you feature on your site) did I discover his support of the United Catholic Church, which willing ordains homosexuals and women, and believes in the “saving” power of the sacraments.
    Dr. Bowman is also a supporter of the democratic party (pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro big government, pro illegal immigration, pro secular humanism, pro socialism).
    I understand publishing a contrarian viewpoint, but you must qualify that viewpoint. It seems you are more comfortable with unabashed heretics or unbelievers (whoremongers like Ventura, etc….)that with struggling believers who reluctantly are supporting a generally pro-life, pro-business, anti-socialistic quasi republican outlook. In short, you find (after exhaustive effort) evil under every republican rock, but noting but sunshine and daisies for the democrats (you seem to be quite the “strangle the good-guys–understand, forgive, and perhaps support the bad guys). In short, you are so twisted, you can’t formulate a straightforward worldview that doesn’t wind up in bed with the left. Jeff, you are a detriment to thinking people of faith–a hodge-podge thinker who eats from the trough of liberal self-flagulation. We are ALL SINNERS. You just seem to beautifully get along with some of the more obvious examples.

    • Jeff Fenske

      Father of five,
      I stated in the intro that I brought this over from ToBeFree, which is where I deal with the more secular issues. I didn’t insinuate that Col. Bowman is a spiritual leader who needs to be Biblically qualified according to Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified
      If I could only post Biblically qualified-to-lead-churches speakers I wouldn’t have much to post — the deception today is that great.
      To fit within this war-theme context, most pastors supported all of the reverse-Christian, Republican started wars. Most evangelical pastors rightfully are pro-life for those inside the womb, but then they sanction the murder of many hundreds of thousands of people of all ages that our pro-war foreign policy is carrying out — which I’m trying to explain is actually the Devil’s work — whose goal is to get rid of any administration that would oppose his one-world government.
      Regarding my political leanings, perhaps you should read more of my 4,000 + posts at ToBeFree before you say I find nothing but good in the Democrats. You’ll actually see that I haven’t said much about the Democrats in comparison to what I’ve posted on the Republicans. Why is that?
      This is because most evangelicals think the Republicans are actually a Godly party that does mostly good. Evangelicals already know the evils of the Democratic party, so I don’t spend much time there. I’m trying to help evangelicals see. I’ll give credit where credit is due to certain Democrats like Dennis Kucinich, who is more Godly on the war issue than are most pastors, but I don’t agree with a number of his other policies.
      And in most cases I’m not going to state where I disagree with someone in order to post something good that he says.
      I’m a Ron Paul guy, which should be totally obvious. His picture is still in the right column, and over 500 Ron Paul posts are posted. I consider Ron Paul a Christlike peacemaker, who is pro-life all the way, not just for those in the womb. And if pastors would have supported Ron Paul in 2008 America might still have a future.
      It’s the pastors who have destroyed this nation through once-saved-always-saved and their support-the-Republicans-no-matter what policies.
      On my sites, if I recognize that someone has something to say that could really help us see what is going on I often post it — and no, they don’t have to be Biblically qualified to be elders to help us see.
      Also, you are accusing Jesse Ventura of something that he is not, which saddens my heart. Jesse admits to doing things decades ago, but you are putting this in the present tense. He is clearly happily married. The way you and other ‘Christians’ are treating him is one of the key reasons he is an admitted agnostic. He doesn’t see the love of Christ in most ‘Christians.’ And I don’t either.
      Actually, I’d probably get along pretty well with Jesse if we were to ever spend time together in person. Jesse is a truth seeker, and I think he would recognize that in me too. The problem in America are the ‘Christians’ who have opened up the sin gate and keep it open: The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit?
      Most ‘Christians’ aren’t Christians, whether they’ve been born-again or not. Most are not following Christ. Most are not abiding in Christ. Most ‘Christians’ are actually more a part of the problem than they are the solution. Politically speaking, to vote for a known Skull and Bonesman, warmongering, pro-torture (and laughs about it), Constitution dismantling, economy destroying President, twice, while totally ignoring Ron Paul is unthinkable. And they still won’t admit they were wrong.
      This war thing is a big issue for the evangelical community, who are partly responsible for the many lives slain.
      If I had a video of a pastor saying what Bob Bowman here so clearly says, I’d post it. But I don’t. Most are too worried about violating their 501 (c)3 agreement with the government even if they did agree with me that we need to repent.
      I already did. I used to be a Republican-no-matter-what. I voted for evil, before I understood. But now I’ve been warning about some of their reverse-Christian agendas for about 15 years.
      It’s time to wake up. I think it’s too late to save this country that the Republicans and Democrats have destroyed. But we can save our own souls — and be we can ONE with each other in Christ — but only when we’re really loving our neighbors as ourselves — including those overseas who believe in a different god.
      “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.” Where does this leave the pro-Satan’s-wars Christians?
      In God’s eyes, being pro-life isn’t just about not murdering the unborn — who are all in heaven. Evangelicals are responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent fully grown people who are now in Hell.
      And they’re bringing about Satan’s kingdom in the process, the one-world government — being duped by the likes of George W. Bush, who is a secret society member posing as a Christian — one of the many who led the church astray.
      And you can only find fault with Bob Bowman’s political affiliation, not even mentioning the importance of his message?
      Gal. 5:13-6:10

      13 For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don’t use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, be careful that you don’t consume one another. 16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one other, that you may not do the things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

      19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

      22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let’s not become conceited, provoking one another, and envying one another. …

      6:7 Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that will he also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

      9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don’t give up.

      Killing fully grown people is a big deal — and it should be obvious by now that these wars are immoral.
      Supporting the destruction of one’s own country and the world is also immoral; though, it’s harder to see.
      Bob Bowman sees. Do you? Or can you not hear him because he’s a Democrat?
      Truth is truth, no matter who the messenger is. Do you have eyes to see? Are you teachable?
      We should all be interested in what the truth is regardless of who is giving the message. And my guess is that Bob Bowman currently has more integrity in God’s eyes than do most pastors.
      Let’s walk by the Spirit. Let’s be peacemakers — or according to Jesus we can’t be children of God.
      And neither the Democratic or Republican parties are peacemakers.
      “We need to come out from them and be separate.” Isn’t that what I said in the intro to this post?
      I don’t think your statement has fairly assessed me at all.
      Jeff Fenske

  2. father of five

    Another quick note, you are “bumping” up his rank. He is a Lt. Col. Just another example of your sloppy scholarship.

    • Jeff Fenske

      From: Wikipedia

      Lieutenant colonel (lieutenant-colonel in English from the French grade’s spelling) is a rank of commissioned officer in the armies and most marine forces and some air forces of the world, typically ranking above a major and below a colonel. The rank of lieutenant colonel is often shortened to simply “colonel” in conversation and in unofficial correspondence.[1] A lieutenant colonel is typically in charge of a battalion in the army.

  3. father of five

    I know you’re fully convinced, but you are in many cases, slandering people and placing yourself in the place of God (George Bush is going to hell–most pastors aren’t actually saved, etc…), yet you recline into the arms of stupidity for every tidbit of secret knowledge, jeopardizing your credibility and the credibility of everyone else who is struggling to truly be Christian, not just secret-society debunking kooks. Jeff, you are a kook, and maybe an unsaved one at that.
    I agree with the general assessment that our nation is on a Godless course, and that many of our leaders appear to be compromisers with evil. The problem with your approach is you’ve given yourself over to capitol JUDGEMENT. You have committed a gross sin when you pass eternal judgement, when simple judgement of demonstrable acts is the full extent of your perogative. In short, Jeff, as many have butchered the scriptures regarding judgement, the widespread agreement among even the most conservative scholars is the judgement that sends a person straight to hell is the judgement that presumes the eternal destiny of another (George Bush is going to hell). Jeff, I do not really know your heart, but by the clear word of scripture, the slander and judgement you practice is damning if no repented of.
    You are troubling because you are so self-justifying. You comingle meat with fecal material, ball it together on your site, and try to serve it as meatloaf. If you are really–and I mean REALLY teachable, you should realize the words you spoke above, and the standard you used above, is what will be applied to you. So consider this–you might actually be in danger of hell just because your so stubborn and lost. Be humble, don’t be a jerk. Be CAREFUL with your words, and thus fulfill the requirement to judge–rightly.
    I know you’ve intested much time and you receive much personal satisfaction being the one who tells all of Christendom they are actually unsaved–from where I see it, you have few if any actual traits of a believer. Just saying Jeff, you are a self-righteous slanderer. You are a slanderer. If you are legit, you will repent ON YOUR SITE. Publicly sinning requires public repentance.

    • Jeff Fenske

      Jesus said: “by their fruits you will know them,” right? And the Bible clearly says what these fruits are. George W. Bush has been clearly in Paul’s first list in Galatians 5 because of his fruits. This isn’t judging, saying he is doomed to Hell no matter what. He could still repent. It’s just a simple observation based upon how he has acted and continues to act, covering up for his crimes. It’s not hard to know his state with God because many of his actions are so clearly reverse-Christian.
      Why does this make you so uncomfortable?
      If you think otherwise, either you haven’t studied sufficiently what the Bible says who are Christians and who really are the children of God, or you just haven’t researched the Bush family deeply enough. There is no doubt.
      If anyone is interested in researching this more, on this site just type in into the search engine. And at ToBeFree I have a “George Bush Family category that currently has 127 posts. I posted these largely for evangelicals to see what is really going on, and for no monetary gain — so what Jesus said could happen among Christians.
      We may not have much time left. The police state that George W. Bush ramped up is still on the fast track. America is going down.
      I have a passion for ‘ONE’ to happen. I can’t imagine going through what is coming without the church being ‘ONE’ (John 17) so those interested can be in the manifest presence of God. Most ‘Christians’ are being deceived by numerous deceptions within the ‘church’ and in the world. It takes research and discernment to discover what is going on — so we can be free.
      And it is not sin to expose what is clearly evil so people can come out from this dark cloud and learn to live in real love.
      You can do whatever you want. I put this information out for those who have ears to hear. If you think I’m so bad then why do you visit my site?
      I am doing my Father’s business to the best of my ability. And if I have posted anything I really shouldn’t have I would take appropriate action. I’m always open to being wrong, but your accusations aren’t warranted.
      My conscience is clean before God and men. Life is exciting, but we’re going to go through some terrible times without the presence of God assisting most ‘Christians’ if real Christianity doesn’t happen really soon.
      Jeff Fenske

  4. father of five

    It makes me uncomfortable because you are so deceitful–promising rain and delivering diddly squat. You bend around criticism like a cult leader.
    Here’s the real difference between you and a conscientious seeker–you comingle so much junk without mitigation, explanation, or even REALIZATION. When you’re called on it, you put on your pious act. Consider if I were frequently comingling words from evil people like David Duke or Stalin, or perhaps our dear friend Che. You would rightly consider me lost, because of the rationalization of such evil philosophical traveling companions. It would be like you citing George Bush without a disclaimer at the bottom of the link–Jeff, it’s obvious you have a blind spot for the left. You have more in common with the right, religiously speaking, but you are a jilted lover–and it shows. You aren’t a source for Godly counsel, or anything else but unauthenticated clap-trap. You’re a fake.

    • Jeff Fenske

      You’re the first person whom I can think of who’s accused me of being leftest. Politically, I’m a pro-Constitution libertarian, who thinks mostly like Ron Paul. And I am against President Obama’s health care plan, by the way.
      There is no basis for me being leftest based on the 4,000 posts I have posted at ToBeFree and what I believe in my core. If you think there is, let me know.
      What I believe spiritually and politically is all out there clear for you to see.
      It seems to me that you haven’t read much of what I’ve posted at ToBeFree, which is mainly where I discuss political things. Only occasionally do I present these ideas here.
      I thought maybe you’d watch and read what I’ve posted on the George Bush family so you could find out for sure if you were right in your accusations against me.
      Here you continue to accuse me of things I am not and didn’t do. You are welcome to search ToBeFree to support your mean spirited attack. I don’t know why you aren’t doing your research instead of continuing this Fenske bashing without evidence.
      This saddens my heart. Why do people who call themselves Christians attack Christians without being able to support their claims. And when challenged they won’t make sure they were right in the remarks they publicly made?
      You call me a ‘fake,’ and then don’t even back this up with even one example. This is very reverse-Christian and seems disingenuous, and is not what Jesus would do.
      Why do you publicly attack me without reading enough of what I’ve posted at ToBeFree to even see where I am coming from?
      I hand copied what I transcribed above to help people see. This is my heart — to see us stop supporting these murders in the name of humanitarianism. This is destroying our country and is helping to bring in the anti-Christ system. And all you can do is attack me for even daring to let Col. Bowman share his point of view at ONEcanhappen because he has some Democratic leanings?
      How is what you are doing here Christian? Do you not fear God, or are you in the once-saved-always-saved camp so Paul’s warnings don’t apply to you?
      I don’t get it. I don’t understand why you keep accusing without making sure that your first accusations were true.

  5. father of five

    word of clarification–genuine visions from God aren’t “clap-trap”. Yours are frequently opposite of those from people you unequivocally support through your website (Mary K. Baxter highlighting non-tithhers in hell–hell, Jeff–that means you). I could go on and on, but you would just put on your pious act and thereby escape temporal accountability. Bottom line, you don’t even seem to know, much less acknowledge you are attempting to collect fresh water from a polluted stream (Jesus said clearly you cannot do this). But, then, you answer to no one. You deserve this public chewing out.

    • Jeff Fenske

      First, I still haven’t put Mary K. Baxter’s Hell visions online, but I could someday. I think they are generally good.
      And you said this in an earlier comment, but I don’t see where you ever followed up on this:

      I could have mis-spoken about Mary K. Baxter. I thought it was her who made the statement about tithing (on a TV show or in her book, etc….) I will see if I can track it down.

      You’re not making any sense today. What’s up? Why are you so angry?

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