Being vindictive is bad enough in politics. And is even worse when the politicians openly call themselves ‘Christians,’ like in the post below.
But when those who accept the role of being spokesmen for God, pastors — when they vilify those whom God sent to help them, instead of embracing the truth so real Christianity can happen in our midst — this is so tragic, and this is at the heart of why America is going down while the world watches our demise — wondering what happened.
Church leaders are called to set the standard by what they teach and the lives they live — which would have saved America….
I’ve experienced this firsthand. God prompts certain people to help unity happen among Christians, Jesus’ heartcry for us in John 17 — so the world will then know. But hardhearted pastors, instead of embracing the truth so healing and revival can occur, and so they can even go to heaven — instead, behind the person’s back, they try to tear down the messenger’s character so no one will believe him. I discovered that I was being called ‘divisive,’ for example — when I was just a normal family member who cared enough to say something, instead of looking the other way.
This ‘church’ is all split up, family members everywhere, dismayed and disgruntled, wondering what happened and why it’s taking so long to fix the problem — when things were going so well and were prophesied to get much better, like they should. And we should expect nothing less! Many aren’t even serving God; though, the unrepentant leaders couldn’t be partially responsible. No, no, no — not according to them.
Churches can become dysfunctional just like families can. In dysfunctional families, only the enablers continue in good standing — those who keep their mouths shut — or better yet, those who defend the abusers from the problem solvers’ solutions that would require real change so love can happen again.
And then the enablers become the abusers too.
But throughout, God is not mocked. He can’t be fooled. And we’ll reap what we’ve sown, both now and in eternity.
God is waiting for us to abide in Him, while leadership is actually blaming God for His apparent distance, saying God will sovereignly move when He wants to move. Though God has been wanting to move all along — which is real Christianity — God giving grace to the humble.
“God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.” God wants so much to empower and fill us. He’s been ready and waiting all of this time. He wants revival to come! But it’s totally up to us:
My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”
How many more will die, going who-knows-where, and how much further will America fall before pastors get right with those they’ve hurt?
In the words of U2:
How long to sing this song
How long to sing this song
How long…how long…how long…
How long…to sing this song
It’s up to us to get this thing going. God isn’t going to make people obey Him.
Sincerely, from the heart,
Anchorage, Alaska — where we should have our act together
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “How upside-down the ‘church’ is today.”
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
7 thoughts on “[Why God tarries] The vindictive behavior in the post below is also true of many pastors: Instead of admitting they were wrong and getting right with those they’ve hurt, they vilify the peacemakers — How long to sing this song? It’s up to us!”
Not surprising, given your penchant for self-authenticating prophecy and passive-aggressive “what’s wrong with you, brother” fake concern. You should squirm for your lack of accountability to other believers. You’re seemingly a nutcase–immodest in the face of modest critique. I haven’t read you say to me or any others, “that’s a good point” or “I’m not sure”, or “let me contact someone for you”. You appear to be all elbows and no knees, asserting yourself against others but never kneeling WITH them. Grow up, Jeff–and shut up sometimes. The rest of us have real concerns about a self-justifying arrogant person like you.
I don’t think you understand. Your “modest” critique doesn’t ring true to me.
And it’s pretty mean spirited.
It’s because you cobble together such contradictory information that you invalidate any claim you have as a prophet. It deeply disturbs me because most of us out here are literally begging God for help, and somehow people like you can take a position one day, then cite a prophet with contradictory positions the next, then when you are called on it, you try to play warm and spiritual. You can’t cobble together “prophesies” from contradictory sources.
Jeff, if I set myself up as a source of spiritual truth, and quoted supposed insights from some particularly wicked person, you would expect me to respond to your rebuke–“man, that’s a good point. I’ll be more careful.” As it is, how can you claim to have the Spirit when you chide false prophets for “cursing” the church, then featuring their teaching on your blog. One can’t be both false AND true at the same time. That’s what HURTS my soul so much because I need God, and you seem to be an evil man manipulating suckers with bait and switch tactics. Either you are hearing from God or you are simply making this up. You say tithing places you under a curse, Rev Pittman recommends tithing and he (according to your site) has personally met God in death. Even your home church teaches tithing. What about David Wilkerson’s position on tithing? He was a “prophet.” Who is the impostor, Jeff? You or him? Either way, you can’t call them “cursers” AND feature their teachings. Please forgive me, but I am truly desperate to be saved–and I’m frustrated that for all this seeking–guys like you have me as lost as ever. Pray for me, Jeff–do something!! And stop contradicting yourself and rebuffing correction–it’s DEEPLY DISCOURAGING!
I’ll say more later. I have something else going right now. I think I heard this possibly for you: “Take the words of the Bible literally.”
There are a number of things going on here. I’ll do my best to try to get to the bottom of this. If this doesn’t work, maybe we should Skype or discuss this over the phone.
You first identified yourself as “Father of five,” correct. And you only recently started using your full name instead, along with the photo of your child. I didn’t realize that you are the same person. So I’m not understanding you are this same guy when you’re telling my readers that I’m probably a closet-homosexual, and referring to me only in the 3rd person, I’m like what?!! This is so not the way to correct anyone and is so the opposite of what is true about me.
I actually wrote this article on homosexuality with a certain person in mind, who doesn’t know that I know. But I absolutely also wrote it for others who have fallen into this sin. And this really is the case for many that it is often done to them first, and then they accept the myth that this is the way they really are — when in reality this is mainly demonic — though with some, there can also be some hormonal factors too. And some of this is through diet.
And I sincerely suggested you check your own life against these who-goes-to-heaven scriptures, because this is the bottom line for all of us: where do we personally stand with God according to what the Bible really says?
I had just really carefully written this piece on Romans 1 and how many heterosexual ‘Christians’ seem to be fully living in this text, while blaming homosexuals and the Muslims for just about everything, and then you rebuke me in front of everyone, and I see some of these same Romans 1 adjectives (not the homosexual ones) in what I’m hearing from you.
I assess my own life by these scriptures, myself, especially the lists in Galatians 5, which are a key part of Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
I’m currently putting together and thinking about the scriptures that also talk about what we have to do to be Christians too, prompted to do so by a reader. I think it’s important to look at these issues from all angles, whereas most ‘Christians’ and even most pastors won’t even really study this subject, which may be the most important of all.
This is what we should be focusing on: what does the Bible really say, and then live in that. When we live in the who-goes-to-heaven list in Galatians 5 we’ll have peace, from which we can discern many things accurately and not be led astray by demons, which most people really are strongly led by, including most pastors.
I’ve learned a lot of these things through personal experience in having been a Christian since 1975, and because I have certain giftings. I also have certain weaknesses, one of which I don’t have oratory ability like so many gifted-in-that-way speakers do. I’m more a matter of fact guy, who doesn’t think in allegories and illustrations, and I don’t think about the most interesting phraseology to say something. I’m not a wordsmith. I got a degree in English literature not because I was good in English, but I needed to learn it better so I could write, thanks to a suggestion from my friend, Jerry W..
I don’t have a photographic memory either. I can’t quote fact after fact off the top of my head, like people who are so good in history, for example. So I’m not comfortable in the public speaking arena; though, I’m very comfortable in analyzing and thinking about what is really going on. I can focus without distractions.
And part of this is because I pray in tongues a lot too, which I think every believer should. And the more chaos we feel in our lives the more we should pray. And hardly any believers really are. The Devil has deceived ‘Christians’ into thinking they don’t have to do what the Bible says to do in order to overcome. Praying in tongues is huge! I believe it is almost always about doing spiritual warfare with demons. For us to neglect this gift can be spiritual suicide.
There will come a day when ONE happens (John 17), which I talk about so much, when we won’t have to pray in tongues as much to overcome. The scriptures in the header of this site should be our goals. But most pastors won’t even talk about them, and they just live in the lowlands — in great danger, actually.
You’ve made a big issue of me quoting certain people who are clearly incorrect in other areas. The fact is that most people understand some things very clearly while they don’t understand other things. And this is true of ‘Christian’ leaders too. Most have serious problems, but even some of them will say things particularly insightful that can help all of us. When a person says something clearly that can help us understand, I’ll often share this with readers. I don’t understand why you have such a big problem with that.
I do this partly because like I said, I’m not particularly gifted in being able to phrase things in a way that communicates the idea clearly. When I see someone explain something that I’ve been trying to help people understand but they’re not yet getting it, I’ll often actually spend a significant amount of time painstakingly transcribing what they say. I don’t make a penny for this, but I have a burden for the people to see.
You made a big deal out of me quoting Colonel Bob Bowman in why we are involved in these wars. That was you, right? How could Jeff quote a liberal (because he has run as a Democrat) and still be conservative? I think this was your thinking.
This didn’t even cross my mind. I don’t think this way. A person doesn’t have to be totally balanced for me to learn from them in areas they are experts in. I don’t see Bob Bowman as being a liberal. I don’t follow his political views. He runs for office in Florida. I live in Alaska. He’s an expert in military affairs. He’s brilliant.
If people had to have their act totally together there would be hardly anyone to learn from, because hardly anyone does right now, the deception is so great.
For the first time, I clicked on your facebook page, linked in your comment, trying to more understand where you are coming from — which is really difficult, actually. It says you are a military member and you like Fox News.
You have asked me to pray for you and try to help, so here is my opinion about both the military and Fox News = mind-control — purely and simply.
I’ve written articles here about what boot camp does to men and women who wouldn’t ordinarily be capable of killing someone who isn’t directly attacking their homeland. The military teaches people how to hate — which is totally reverse-Christian. Anger is appropriate under certain circumstances for brief periods [“Don’t let the sun go down on your anger. Don’t give the Devil a place.”] But when people hate, we immediately leave what is acceptable to be in God’s presence. We just can’t do that and be a real going-to-heaven Christian. So much of what the military is currently about is so reverse-Christian, which I go into detail about at ToBeFree. And Fox News is their number one mouthpiece!
[updated] FOX News Illustrated: “We Spin, We Decide” — Because Sometimes You Can’t Handle the Truth
Fox News, I think is the most dangerous news channel. They claim to be right wing, conservative, but are all about bringing in the police state, not just to US, but to the world. Rupert Murdoch also owns Zondervan Publishing, which publishes the diabolical NIV translation. Fox is pure disinfo. They spin almost everything yet call themselves the “no spin” zone. And spinning is a nice way of saying lying.
Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity vilify those who should be listened to, like Ron Paul — like the guy who worked with Sarah Palin, who is trying to tell us what she is really like — for example. They get viewers to be against those who are really part of the solution so they can push the one-world-government in the name of patriotism.
They’ll also vilify anyone who says those planes could not have taken down those two (actually three) towers. They spew hatred, to get people to hate and discount (even discard) those who are actually telling the truth about what really happened. Because if 9/11 was shown to be what it really was then all of their justifications for all of these wars falls apart.
In reality, even if Osama did launch those attacks, and even if those planes really did melt all of that steel to take down those massive towers, attacking and dominating Afghanistan is still unjustified in God’s eyes. And all of these other wars are even more reverse-Christian.
There are so many lies and deceptions, and Fox News is the leader of the pack in convincing conservatives to support the globalists’ many agendas. They won’t talk about the real issues, like the Federal Reserve that isn’t federal, but a private cartel. Glenn Beck brought it up, and all of a sudden he was gone. Hmmm. Though, he played along as a disinfo agent too, making many millions$$$$$$$$$$$$$ — selling out for the love of money.
We can’t play around with this hate motif that Fox is all about. I keep quoting Jesus in saying that the peacemakers are the children of God. Fox News is about vilifying others, so we’ll be willing to treat them, over there unlike we would treat ourselves.
Fox News is deceptive just like country music is deceptive. We all know that rock ‘n roll is largely about sex and demonic; though, there is a lot of good songs too. But country: they mix Mom, God, apple pie, sex and preemptive war to make the evil taste so good.
They’ll sing songs about God, and then about getting a girl drunk and doing it in the pick-up truck. Christians aren’t even supposed to think about such things.
And Toby Keith will sing about sticking a boot up their [Afghanistan’s] @#$. “It’s the American way.” And then say “God bless America.”
Well, this isn’t God’s way, or the way of a real Christian. Country music is in general, disgusting, pure filth disguised as Mom, God and apple pie. It’s the deception about it that is so bad, just like Fox News. Country will also have some good songs. Fox News will have some good things to say, but that’s how they get away with getting people to watch and listen as the inject viewers with poison, straight from Hell — as Bill O’Reilly avoids being convicted for sexually abusing staff members by paying them off with probably $$millions$$, from all of the $$millions$$ he’s made misleading the public. O’Reilly is disgusting, as is Sean Hannity. These are disinfo agents who have sold their souls. And pastors even watch their filth.
For those who have been programmed by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, I would suggest not just turning them forever off, but their ideas will still reign in a person’s thinking unless we listen to others who tell the truth about what is really going on. Which is what I highlight at ToBeFree, where I currently have 4,400 posts of heart and brain cleaning, anti-disinfo.
The deception is that great!
If you still think 9/11 wasn’t specifically planned to get Americans to back these reverse-Christian wars, you should really study 9/11. I have, and have almost 200 articles about it at ToBeFree. Listen to what Nick Rockefeller said 18 months before 9/11. Read about what PNAC wrote. Study how jet fuel cannot melt steel skyscrapers. Something got those towers to above 4,000 degrees!!
And learn the truth about the Bush family. Christians have been had by both Bushes. If you want to get deprogrammed, ToBeFree is the place to go. And if you need help finding anything, let me know. The church has been conned.
Tithing. Why do you keep bringing up tithing? Tithing is a done deal, totally old covenant. I don’t even think about it regarding my own personal life.
And I don’t emphasize how we’re under the curse if we still tithe, like you say I am. Paul talks about being under the curse if we’re still under the law, but I haven’t said much about that. When I talk about cursing, I’m mainly talking about ‘Christians,’ including pastors actually praying against (James-3 cursing) people. That’s what I make a big deal of.
I get cursed every single day by pastors who feel exposed by what I’m saying. They’re living in willful sin, unwilling to get right with those they’ve hurt. They feel real condemnation from God (Romans 8:1a&b — b is not in the NIV), because they are not really in Christ Jesus. They are destined for Hell and don’t want to admit it so they can be free. And they’re taking many down there with them. Many have already died, frustrated by what these pastors have done, using their sin as an excuse to justify their own, when we are all accountable, and can’t blame pastors, who will get the stricter judgment if they don’t repent now.
We need to not have pity parties, blaming others. We need to read the Bible ourselves and do what it says. Then we’ll be free.
Paul says to put off and put on. That’s how we get deprogrammed.
And if I was in the military, I would take a firm line in the sand, not crossing it for anything, even if that meant insubordination for obeying God over what our government has become — a tool for the New World Order.
We are Nazi Germany. The USA is in many ways what the Muslims say we are — The Great Satan. The CIA runs the drugs, assassinates and raises up dictators around the globe. We have military bases in over 100 nations. We are the big bully. John Perkins lays out how we take out leaders that don’t play along.
And Fox News leads the charge, making sure that anyone who questions our morals is called a kook. According to Bill O’Reilly, Jesus would be called a kook if He lived on Earth today.
The CIA in many ways even created al Qaeda. Look at what is really going on with these wars. Study what Dr. Stanley Monteith says about these wars. He is as clean as a hounds tooth, and so is Joel Skousen. Alex Jones is more animated, and is almost always right too, but you might be put off by him when you see that his character isn’t perfect — which I don’t understand because his character greatly exceeds that of Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, if it is true that you watch Fox News, like your site says.
I hope you appreciate that I spent many hours thinking about and in then writing out these points.
I hope you don’t again turn around and attack me, like Hannity and O’Reilly attack people, which they do shamelessly, though they should be so ashamed, leading so many people astray. We need to be careful.
These guys are not guys to follow. They are the bottom of the barrel. They sold out to Satan for $$money$$. They are filthy rich, literally.
We need to accept the Biblical standards as reality and then live up to them. If we willfully sin by hurting others even in small ways we will not get demon free.
We need to realize that the promptings we feel are demonic if they get us to do evil things. We shouldn’t just do what we feel like doing. We need to put off and put on. And praying in tongues shouldn’t be an option when the Bible makes such a big deal of it — no matter how weird it sounds or how embarrassing it seems.
We need to be childlike to follow Christ. We need to get off of our own thrones and accept His lordship.
God will draw near to us if we draw near to Him. That is a written law/fact. If you are far from Him it’s not His fault. The Holy Spirit is like a dove. If you treat people the way you’ve treated me He’ll fly away.
No excuses. He’ll never let us be tempted above what we can bear, but will always give us a way out, to overcome. We never have to sin. You let yourself sin, and therefore repel God.
God will be as close as you want Him to be, because He always wants to be close.
The Devil wants to eat you alive, and if you open up the gate just a little bit you’ll stay in sin: The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit? The believers, not the non-believers, have opened the gate to sin, which is why this country has deteriorated.
We need to totally shut the door, or he’ll have his way.
100% cold turkey from sin in all areas is the only way to overcome.
Because demons are like drugs. They are real, powerful forces that compel us to do their bidding if we let them. But we can’t see them.
We should only hear one voice which always lines up with purity and holiness. Any other voices are demonic and should be treated as such.
And if you don’t want to pray in tongues, don’t blame me for your inability to overcome demonic power. The Bible is totally clear about this gift that Baptists, etc. have so maligned.
Don’t let Satan get his way.
A significant follow-up
First, a correction: I just found out that Glenn Beck isn’t off of Fox yet, but will be in a few weeks. That shows how much I watch Fox and Beck. For the right, they are Disinfo Center #1.
And I forgot to mention the general disinfo strategy of demonizing the Muslims to be a much greater threat than they are, which then gets the people behind the wars which makes them hate us more than they otherwise would. The CIA even provocateurs and helps finance their resistance against US. We always need a bogeyman to get away with murder and bring in the police state — so American husbands (even the pastors) will let their daughters even to be naked body scanned, etc.. Amazing, when we consider that our chances of dying are greater from getting struck by lightning or stung by a bee.
Benjamin Franklin on naked body scanners: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”
Those who are really in the know point out that Russia and China are the main threats to the US, and that it’s likely that one or both will take us out in the not to distant future. The media is covering for how big of a threat they are. This is The Art of War. And we’ve changed our nuclear defensive policy to make us much more vulnerable than we would have been.
Plus, we are not prepared to withstand EMP attacks, which by itself would take out maybe even most of Americans. Skousen believes solar flares would not take out the entire power grid, but that nukes absolutely would. This could accompany a standard nuclear attack, or could happen by itself from just a few nukes exploded high enough about the US.
We have left ourselves very vulnerable while the focus has all been on these tiny Muslim countries.
The main thing I left out: If you want to feel really close to God today, consider doing what this lady did: [video] Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
She went to those she hurt — confessed and apologized to 34 people — and God filled her with so much grace and joy!!! She had told Dr. Kinlaw that would kill her. He said that would cure her.
This is how we stay within the presence of God. We don’t hold grudges, we’re right with everyone. We walk like Jesus walked — free!
And when the sufferings of Christ flow into our lives, like when we obey even when it’s scary, then His comfort flows. “God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
This is an important principle for feeling right now and I believe also for going to heaven: [WordPOWER!] Jesus on reconciliation in Matthew 5: If you remember that your brother has anything against you, reconcile quickly or . . .
Consider this from real church history: The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “How upside-down the ‘church’ is today.”
Most pastors aren’t leading the way, so we have to let God lead us directly without their help — until ONE happens.
And in so doing, we can help ONE happen!
If we don’t feel right with God it’s not God’s fault. We need to abide in Him and do what He says no matter how hard it may seem. And He’ll actively help us through it!
The longer we wait to get right with those we’ve hurt the longer we postpone our own personal revivals, and the bigger our lists become. The worst place to be is here:
Mike Bickle: The most miserable people in the whole earth = TOO MUCH GOD TO ENJOY SIN; TOO MUCH SIN TO ENJOY GOD. WholeHEARTedness: it’s the only way we can function right.
We can overcome and be free 24/7, but it’s not through how actors do it on the silver screen. It’s a different kind of bravery that we can all do to live above the fray — which keeps getting louder.
We need to be men and women of integrity.
Power to the peaceful!
Based upon what we’ve talked about in the past and here, I just wanted to share that there are a few factors that I’m talking about here that affect how we feel physically and emotionally.
I. Most ‘Christians’ have many demons (the ‘tormentors’) affecting them. Getting those out can GREATLY affect how we feel. Demons are nasty, and they grab on; drive lust; cause bodily organs to not work right; cause pains, etc..
So praying in tongues (which is HUGE), forgiving, and closing the door to sin (cold turkey, 100% no-lust, etc.) helps to set us free. 99% no-lust opens the door with the 1%. “Submit to God; resist the Devil and he will flee.” “Don’t let the sun go down on your anger. Don’t give the Devil a place.” Forgiving everyone from the heart in Matthew 18, etc. But getting demons out is only part of the factors which affect how we feel.
II. Then if we’re not right with God and our neighbors we’ll probably feel condemnation (Romans 8:1a&b — b is missing in the NIV, but is in verse 4). Getting right with God and people removes the guilt, and we can relax, being truly in Christ.
III. And this could also be related to the joy of the Lord, which happens when we abide in Christ and produce fruit. “That our joy would be full,” Jesus said in John 15, which apparently is us feeling Jesus’ love:
8 “In this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; and so you will be my disciples. 9 Even as the Father has loved me, I also have loved you. Remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love. 11 I have spoken these things to you, that my joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be made full. 12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another
IV. Then there is the comfort that the Holy Spirit gives us when we step out in faith and do things difficult — or encounter tough things, etc. (2 Cor. 1). I think the Asbury Revival woman who got right with those she hurt experienced all of these things.
This is probably related to joy and feeling His love, but 2 Cor. 1 talks about how we receive this when we suffer: “When the sufferings of Christ flow His comfort flows.”
It is right to want to feel high, and this is the right way to do it. Paul said: “Don’t be drunk with wine but be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
I, personally, have experienced God’s presence in many ways. And sometimes it has been very euphoric. What they felt at Asbury was probably a magnification of what we feel at a worship service that is to a significant degree real worship in Spirit and in truth, which doesn’t happen much anymore — so most ‘worship’ services are dead, spiritually. “God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
Feeling God’s grace is amazing, and is biblical. We should all strive for perfection to be fully in Him where grace abounds to the max — especially when we’re doing it together — ONE with each other.
Jesus said he’d give us His glory to help us be ONE (John 17). Then the world will know.
So if we don’t feel right, this is a valid indicator that something really is wrong. When we’re safely in Christ we’ll be in Paul’s who-goes-to-heaven list in Galatians 5:
…I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.
This is the normal Christian life — and it’s not where most ‘Christians’ live these days, mostly, I think because of bad doctrine, including have sub-biblical goals different to the ones in my header, above.
Most pastors won’t even talk about the Ephesians 4 passage anymore as even being a goal — because it makes them look like a failure, which they are, if they aren’t reaching these biblical goals.
But we can!
And living in Christ feels totally right — whereas not feeling right is a warning legitimate warning sign that we should not ignore.
Jeff : )