False, revival-killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings :(

Nathalie,
Thanks for sharing your inside perspective. The main thing is that we somehow get revival going which is so badly needed. Jesus said in John 17, that when we’re one with each other in Him, “then the world will know.”
We all want ‘ONE’ to happen, right? The real thing, based upon really being in Christ together. This isn’t some made up dream. This is Jesus’ desire for all of us to be in Him so radically that He can show up and fill our hearts to where the fruits will be manifest for all to see. Then they can make their decisions after seeing how awesome God and His people really are.
But first, we must become ONE.
I hope you’re seeing by how I’m writing these thoughts that I am big-time pro-IHOP succeeding! But I have to say that I’ve pretty much given up that they will be the ones bringing in this move. I even predicted this at the get-go, having seen what they teach about holiness, mainly Allen. He can’t teach one way in Bible school and another way at the revival, where he actually says people are forgiven even when they are outwardly lewd, sexually. And he never said otherwise in the hundreds of hours that I have watched online of this awakening.
Did you see my other post on this subject? Allen actually said this, clearly: FALSE DOCTRINE: Why won’t Christian leaders even mention Hebrews 10:26? An IHOP example — so close and yet so far away — from full REVIVAL 🙁
If IHOP is teaching the truth about who goes to heaven, and specifically Allen, then it should be written down somewhere. Where is it? I don’t see Allen teaching what the Bible really says, which I put together in my article: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
It’s really clear, but Allen seems to be avoiding this like the plague in the Awakening meetings. Allen will call for holiness, but he’ll never make it a salvation issue. So the unholiness just goes on. And God can’t show up the way we need Him to until we’re actually holy, right with God and each other.
I see three major problems with the Awakening, three major things that are keeping what Mike and many others want from happening. At the meetings:
1) Lack of holiness is never a salvation issue for at least Allen
2) I have never, ever heard Allen or Wes call for people to get right with each other, which was the major part of the Asbury Revival. See: Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”
3) There is very little direct worship of God, such as “God, You are holy; You are awesome!” There is something that is keeping the ‘worship’ leaders from really worshiping. I’ve seen it start to happen, and then someone or something throws a wrench into it. Jaye started doing this in the prayer room on a few occasions, as did Ryan, but there is some kind of reverse-Christian pressure in the Awakening meetings (and even in the prayer room) that stops real worship cold. What we have instead is songs about God and telling-God-what-to-do songs, which is reminiscent of some of the bad fruit of the Vineyard movement: “Holy Spirit come” — instead of worshiping God, getting right with each other, and then He does come as a result. “Draw near to God and He’ll draw near to you. This is automatic — a guarantee.
I think Wes is a jewel. I really like him, and it seems that he has no baggage, that he’s really qualified to lead. But I wonder about Allen. He doesn’t seem to get touched by God (which contrary to what is said at IHOP really is a sign of rightness with God). “Don’t be drunk with wine but be filled with the Spirit.” I don’t see Allen really filled.
Someone or some people are keeping the leaders from even mentioning that we need to get right with the people that we’ve hurt. My guess is that Wes’ heart is pure, that he is right. But I often wonder about Allen. He’s not resting in God. He seems unable to. He has to work it up, instead of just being.
Whereas Wes just is, which is such a beautiful thing.
Something isn’t quite right at IHOP. Why hasn’t Mike been doing his podcasts lately, none? I think this is an indication that his confidence and enthusiasm is waning. Otherwise, he would want to share.
I watched the meetings every single day for months. But I haven’t even watched one in what is now probably months. There is something about IHOP in which they can’t hold enough water, but at the same time, I don’t think they’re teachable enough to hold it.
Simmering beneath all of this may be the women’s ministry issue, and my guess is that you are a woman, from what your name is. Anyone who becomes president of IHOP (which Allen is, for those of you unfamiliar) must agree with Mike’s policy on women in the ministry. Allen must have; therefore, he has compromised with what the word of God clearly says in 1 Timothy 2.
I don’t have the revelation as to exactly what a woman should or should not do as a spiritual leader in the church, but clearly, IHOP is way out of line with their policy on women in leadership. They’re taking experience over and above what the Bible crystal clearly says, which is rebellion, the sin of witchcraft, the Bible says. And then they can just make up other stuff as they go to. They’re not submitted to God, which then opens the door for chaos.
I say this as a big fan of IHOP in many ways. I have always seen Mike Bickle as a pioneer, having a heart hard after God. But he’s not balanced. “He runs from truth,” I believe I just heard.
No matter how hard the worship teams call for God to come, He won’t until we are right-with-God-and-each-other Christians.
They seem to have totally blown off what Shelly was shown in her vision of how Jonathan Edwards is a foundation for what is to happen now. What was his theme: “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” The people weren’t right enough with God in order to be able to go to heaven — and Allen won’t even mention this once in the Awakening meetings??? What’s with that??
God will only come in His manifest presence when the people really are holy. Church leaders can fool people, but they’ll never fool God. The Third Great Awakening will have real repentance (getting right with those we’ve hurt, like in Asbury), and it will have real worship (direct-to-God “You are awesome”). When people mostly just sing songs about God it’s a diversion; it’s not worship.
I’m very grateful for the good that IHOP has done, to a huge degree legitimizing tongues and how God touches people in physically evident ways when His power comes on them (it’s happened to me hundreds of times). I love the prayer room concept; though, I think it should be more of a worship room.
Mike is absolutely a pioneer. Wes is so cool!! I greatly apprecitate many of the people there, and have shown this on my site, but somebody, or some people are actively keeping the move of God from fully happening at the Awakening meetings. And I think the core of it is unscriptural doctrine and at least one or more of the leaders not having a totally clear conscience before God, not having gotten right with those they’ve hurt — or maybe even being in a sinful, illegitimate marriage. I don’t know any of their marital histories, but if you’re interested see: My Theory on Divorce and ‘Marriage’: It’s time to get out of unbiblical ‘marriages.’ “God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.” We must all be clean.
The Third Great Awakening requires that we’re right with God in all areas. God is not mocked. Church leaders may fool many people, but never God.
And woe to those who are living a lie. It would be better for them to have never been a teacher, because teachers get a stricter judgment.
That’s my perspective. I think Allen and others are taking the fear of God out of the meetings to where so much of it is just a syrupy false idea that God accepts everyone close to His heart no matter what. And this is just flat out unbiblical. There is a legitimate need for people to understand the Father-heart of God. I’ve sat through and appreciated greatly those messages, when I was in the Vineyard church in Evanston Illinois, while attending seminary. But this is for the prodigal son who returns. Probably still the vast majority of Christians are still willfully sinning, living still with the pigs, like the prodigal.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” Without it, we don’t even have the beginning of wisdom, and thus, we are losing our entire country and cushy lifestyle. And a main theme in the prayer room is an outcry against abortion when these very same people have supported and won’t repent for supporting President Bush’s immoral, reverse-Christian wars. And now many are supporting another one for which we don’t have adequate evidence that Iran is even a threat.
God can’t bless a warmongering ‘church.” Whatever happened to Jesus’ words: “blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God?”
We are such an arrogant people. Hardly anyone is really hearing from God.
“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
IHOP is still way too much in Partysville. They haven’t yet repented: The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4 so God can show up to the degree they are telling Him He should, over and over and over and over…. We shouldn’t be telling God what to do. We should become, and then He will come, automatically. He wants to come! We don’t have to twist His arm. We just have to legitimately be His people, submitted to Him, ONE with each other in Him.
It gets so old that I haven’t even listened to the prayer room or the meetings for quite some time. IHOP is in a rut. And I think Allen is a huge reason why, based upon what I’ve seen, repeatedly, and without exception.
I think God is going to come elsewhere, somewhere where they fully get it right.
When we build it He will come.
What happened at Asbury, you all?
May it be! Yippy!!!
Jeff Fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

Ben,
I appreciate your concern, but frankly what you say has never even crossed my mind. There are a number of factors here.
Alan was speaking this publicly to many thousands of people all over the world through live and then archived internet streams.
And this is at least the second time, three months after he said this: FALSE DOCTRINE: Why won’t Christian leaders even mention Hebrews 10:26? An IHOP example — so close and yet so far away — from full REVIVAL 🙁 Do you see what he’s doing to and with the scriptures? What he said here flabbergasted me, saying that willful lusters “are forgiven, tonight, but you are not clean.” Which I said is the exact opposite of what this passage clearly says. I found Hebrews 10:26-39 in 1975.
Also, I had big hope for the IHOPU revival. I think Wes is fantastic, very pure hearted, but the more and more I watched, the more and more I could see there was something clearly wrong with Alan. He never really seemed to have the joy of the Lord or the anointing. “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble” is a principle that works in revivals too. Men can fool men and women, but not God.
Also, Alan is the president of IHOPU. He’s not just saying things he hasn’t taught over and over again in class. He was boldly proclaiming his once-saved-always-saved doctrine that I am convinced is the number 1 false doctrine that has destroyed America and kept real Christianity from happening. He’s clearly set in what he believes. There probably wouldn’t be anything that I would write him personally that he would even carefully read. It would just get trash canned. I’ve been around the block.
And I didn’t write this behind his back. This is kind of an open letter. Anyone can read this, including him. He’d actually be more likely to take it seriously if it was posted, I think.
We need to keep in mind too that someone (or some people) was keeping the crucial teaching of restitution out of the IHOPU Student Awakening. How could getting right with people be the number one theme of the Asbury Revival and IHOPU totally ignored it, during the hundreds of hours I watched it, anyway. I never heard leadership say it even once.
Paul listed elders’ qualifications, and when an elder isn’t qualified himself — when he hasn’t gotten right with those he’s hurt— then he probably won’t be calling for others to get right either — and maybe he would put pressure on the other leaders to also not mention it.
Something fishy was going on here. This is how clean a leader needs to be: Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified
Wes, on the other hand, seemed to be as clean as a hound’s tooth. There is a reason the revival started in Wes’ class, I’ve stated. And there is a reason why he was so touched by God. Again: “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Also, Shelley had a dream about how Jonathan Edwards role in the Great Awakening in how this was applicable to this awakening. But they totally ignored also Edwards’ main theme, sinners in the hands of an angry God, because it disagreed with at least Alan’s eternal security teaching [I’m not sure where Mike Bickle stands on OSAS, especially since he let Alan continue to teach this way]. Alan taught the opposite of what Jonathan Edwards taught. Alan taught away the fear of God — how we should be horrified if we keep willfully sinning and don’t repent.
I don’t see any way that Alan would have listened to me.
The bottom line is that the people need to be warned about what is going on — as well as encouraged that when we get our doctrines and practices right we will see the Third Great Awakening.
That’s what I’m doing. That’s what this site is all about. Here I was pointing out to those who did have ears to hear [and perhaps Wes has even seen this, who knows?] how false doctrine, I think killed the IHOPU revival. But that we or someone else could do better if we get our doctrines right.
Consider this as well as many of the posts on this site:

[Book] The GREAT GOSPEL DECEPTION by David A. Servant — “Only when the church does embrace the gospel of Jesus and His apostles will there be any hope of true revival”

God won’t fully show up until we are right with our brothers and sisters, and not until the fear of God is restored among believers, most won’t get right enough with others so real Christianity can again happen in our midst.
This is a public forum. This isn’t behind their backs. Anyone can send this link to them, and perhaps someone has. I would have loved to talk with Wes about these ideas, but he hardly had time to teach his classes and lead the revival, and rest and be with his family.
And Alan held rank, and he’s the one who said these things so boldly. He also didn’t have time, but had he, I really don’t think he would have been interested at all in what I would say, especially if it wasn’t face to face, and I live thousands of miles away in Alaska.
And like I said, it didn’t even occur to me to even try to talk to them. I wasn’t led by the Holy Spirit to do that. But I was led to warn the people in this public forum that anyone can dial into.
This site is a think-tank for how ONE can happen. The IHOPU Student Awakening obviously did many things right or God wouldn’t have shown up at all — which is the norm in most churches today.
Alan said this publicly for anyone to see. My response is public for anyone to see.
I believe the once-saved-always-saved doctrine is a deadly doctrine of demons sending many people to hell, thinking they are going to heaven. And it’s the number one thing keeping the Third Great Awakening from happening. I would call it a heresy, but perhaps some Catholic people would say that is a Catholic term.
This is serious. False doctrine is destroying the church and America.
True doctrine can bring about the Third Great Awakening.
Jeff Fenske