Jesus prayed we'd be 'ONE' with each other in Him that the world will know! (John 17)

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Something Good is Going to Happen? Abbott Loop CC Cup — "Jesus is Lord." We MUST Die In Order To Live!!!

Watch this place: Abbott Loop Community Church, it’s now called. This is where I attended Bible school and had many great moments.
I also learned a lot of really hard lessons — “a torture chamber” — but better days ahead.

After attending there yesterday morning, I decided to put together this shot (with mostly Alaska wildflowers) —— for something really good may soon bloom!

I’ve been drinking out of these cups for decades, hoping…

May we be truly ONE in Christ — no messing around.

Those who have been hurt…
what about them?

Will love happen?

Will you humble yourselves
and admit…?

“Then the world will know…”
and see…

Jesus’ heart-cry in John 17 realized

ONEcanhappen when Jesus is Lord!

Life in the Son!

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I almost forgot: the cross and the wheat logo on the right cup
The idea comes from what Jesus said in John 12:

24 Most certainly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 He who loves his life will lose it. He who hates his life in this world will keep it to eternal life. 26 If anyone serves me, let him follow me. Where I am, there will my servant also be. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.

Paul taught (and Frank taught in Bible school) Jesus is The Pattern in Php 2:

1 If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassion, 2 make my joy full, by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3 doing nothing through rivalry or through conceit, but in humility, each counting others better than himself; 4 each of you not just looking to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also highly exalted him….

12 So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

14 Do all things without murmurings and disputes, 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you are seen as lights in the world.

And in my logo at the top of the page is Galatians 5:22-24:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

We must die in order to truly live!
Let’s do it! Let’s be million candlepower lights — our flesh crucified — like Him — Christians!
Jeff : )
Related:
Abbott Loop CC Cross: We MUST Die In Order To Live!!!
My “Let Us Be ONE” prophecy
The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4
Prophecies for Abbott Loop CC (If you have a word for ALCC)

In the USA everyone goes to heaven. Even Ted Kennedy "went in peace and it was beautiful," said the 'priest.' It doesn't matter what Jesus or the Bible says: "Narrow is the way…. Few find it." "Without holiness no one will see the Lord." Deception at an all-time high! Americans are special.

From: Independent

AN Irish priest who comforted Senator Ted Kennedy on his deathbed has told how the dying politician insisted he was ready to go to heaven. …

“He expressed to his family that he did want to go. He did want to go to heaven. He was ready to go,” Msgr Tarrant told a local news station.

“Teddy wanted to go, he went in peace and it was beautiful.” Despite the sombre nature of the gathering, the priest recounted how there was “a peace in the room.”

Entire Article Here
Related:
The Real Teddy Kennedy: Deadly Legacy For America, by Frosty Wooldridge
The real Ted Kennedy legacy, by Joseph Farah
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Dennis Cuddy: The delusion that most 'Christians' are going to heaven

From: News with Views

The Biblical reference to only a “few” being chosen or saved can be found in Matthew 7:14, 20:16, 22:14, and Luke 13:23. Most Christians don’t like to dwell on this, or they think they are one of the “few.” How can so many be deluded? It happens when they don’t recognize that they are in the time of “a [moral] falling away” (2 Thess. 2:3).

Entire Article Here
Related:
Take Heed that No Man Deceive You: “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS…with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES”

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Has The Church Become Irrelevant?

How is it that these lying, conniving, con artists called politicians can sucker church members as easily as they do the un-churched?

How is it that Christians do not seem to recognize the devilish doctrines of socialism, fascism, elitism, or globalism for what they are?

How can they be so easily manipulated?

From: News with Views

America’s Christian heritage is both rich and deep. What most historians and educators refuse to acknowledge, our forebears understood clearly: it was mostly Christians and churches that formed and shaped the new land that became known as the United States of America.

For example, when discussing the brave exploits of the passengers on board the Mayflower, people seem to have forgotten that the voyage was mostly the endeavor of a single church congregation. And don’t forget that it was Pastor Jonas Clark’s male congregants who withstood British troops at Lexington and fired the very first of the shots heard ’round the world. The famous French historian, Alexis De Tocqueville, credited the pulpits and churches of Colonial America with inspiring America’s successful War for Independence and subsequent prosperity much more than its institutions of learning, halls of Congress, or industries of invention. From the very beginning, America’s Christians and pastors were intricately involved in the establishment and building of this republic.

It is no hyperbole to say that without the influence, sacrifice, dedication, blood, sweat, and tears of America’s early Christians, this country would not exist.

But what do we see today? We see pastors and church congregations who are, for the most part, totally ignorant of their own heritage and history. They have little or no understanding of the principles of Natural Law–something America’s founders knew almost by second nature (no pun intended). They seem to know next to nothing of the Biblical principles of liberty and government. All they seem to be able to do is regurgitate some mindless interpretation of Romans 13–an interpretation that could have been written by King George III or even Adolf Hitler.

Read my column regarding Romans 13.

Ignoring the great examples and exhortations of both Testaments, today’s Christians seem to have lazily latched onto a modern-day “divine right of kings” philosophy, through which they have become the pathetic slaves of arrogant and pompous political wolves dressed (barely) in the sheepskins of legitimacy.

Where are America’s watchmen on the wall? Where are the great stories of courage and commitment demonstrated by America’s founders that once emanated from church pulpits? How is it that today’s Christians know more about sports celebrities than they do America’s heroes? How is it that these lying, conniving, con artists called politicians can sucker church members as easily as they do the un-churched? How is it that Christians do not seem to recognize the devilish doctrines of socialism, fascism, elitism, or globalism for what they are? How can they be so easily manipulated?

Entire Article Here

Sad :( A Pastor-Cursing-People Example Here in Anchorage, Alaska! | The Theology of James-3 Cursing

Wow! I’m so disappointed.

I just got back from a service this morning in which the pastor openly led the people to curse the abortionists during the pre-service prayer. [Actually, I went to Costco instead of sitting through the service. I just can’t stomach this.]

He prayed that they wouldn’t be able to sleep, and that God’s wrath would be on them — among other things. Yikes!

What about the ‘Christians’ who supported all of President Bush’s wars in which we killed many hundreds of thousands of innocent old folk, adults, children and embryos (women carrying children)? And many of these people won’t go to heaven like aborted fetuses will. Over 1 million people (made in God’s likeness) are dead in Iraq alone.

Which is the greater sin?

We did it in the name of Love, and it besmirched His name. I don’t hear any evangelical pastors leading prayers of repentance for that.

First, we take the plank out of our own eye. Then we’ll see clearly how to take the speck out of our neighbor’s eye. – Jesus

This is reverse-Christianity, you all: killing innocent people with bombs and bullets and wishing people dead with our prayers (James-3 curses). It’s God’s job to avenge, not ours. We’re to be examples of Love: “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” Whatever happened to WWJD — What Would Jesus Do?

This is sick, that ‘Christians’ think they can curse others who are made in Jesus’ likeness.

James 3 totally spells it out:

9 With it [our tongue] we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God. 10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?

And if we read carefully, the deepest place of origin is not the tongue, but the heart (verse 14). And the source is demonic (verse 15). We need to have clean hearts, literally. Then we’ll have FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee————–dom!!!!!!!!!!
The only way I’ll ever possibly pray anything heavy on someone, I let God decide what to pray, by either praying in tongues for them or saying, Father, you deal with them according to what you determine is right.
It’s not for us to specifically pray (James-3 curse) in God’s wrath. James warns us to not do this!

Some will say it’s Biblical because David cursed those who were about to kill him. Well, there is zero support for this in the New Testament, which teaches a new and better way by which we draw near to God, Abba Father, now that we have the Holy Spirit inside of us. [And just because we have the Holy Spirit inside us doesn’t mean we’re going to heaven. See Rev. 3:1-5]

Consider Psalm 50. “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought I was just like you.”

16 But to the wicked God says, “What right do you have to declare my statutes, that you have taken my covenant on your lips,

17 since you hate instruction, and throw my words behind you?

18 When you saw a thief, you consented with him, and have participated with adulterers.

19 “You give your mouth to evil. Your tongue frames deceit.

20 You sit and speak against your brother. You slander your own mother’s son.

21 You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. I will rebuke you, and accuse you in front of your eyes.

22 “Now consider this, you who forget God, lest I tear you into pieces, and there be none to deliver. [Hell – editor]

23 Whoever offers the sacrifice of thanksgiving glorifies me, and prepares his way so that I will show God’s salvation to him.” For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David, when Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.

Worship, not James-3 cursing prepares the way.
May we be holy. May the blood of no one be on our hands. May we be clean, and be right with all mankind.

We are not God. We live according to His rules. He calls the shots. “Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons and daughters of God.” “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh.”

Again: First, we take the plank out of our own eyes. Then we’ll see clearly how to take the speck out of our neighbors’ eyes. The Holy Spirit will give us wisdom how to remove specks from others when we remove our planks, first. And cursing people are huge planks!!

Just think if we actually Biblically were salt and light. That we would be ONE, Jesus prayed. How would this put a dent in abortions? How many thousands of mothers would then be inspired to carry their children to full term — those who now are going into the clinics to terminate their child?

Com’ on people! Let’s love, love, love — and love some more — being c a r e f u l!

The Devil answers the cursing prayers, not God, and then the blood (or their sicknesses) are on our heads. May this never be.

“Don’t be overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good.”

Our goal is to be like Christ, to be ONE!

The greatest two commandments should be our focus, which means loving even those who would kill babies — which includes those who supported President Bush’s wars and refuse to repent (paragraph 4 above).

And the greatest commandment is to love the Lord, our God with all of our heart… — not cursing others from our hearts.

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They’ll know us by our love —
not by our James-3 curses,

Jeff Fenske

Related:

My ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts at ONEcanhappen

My People Cursing People posts at ToBeFree

God’s Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

"The Revelation Song": Real Worship is Coming Back!!! — “Bless Me, Lord” has NOT been worship!

Real Worship is Coming Back!!!

Let’s Be Free!!!!!!!

“Bless Me, Lord” has NOT been worship!

The songs being sung by the Bride [‘Christians’ – ed.]
at that time were focusing on need
[ourselves – ed.].

My heart longed to focus on something far greater than my need,
knowing that all needs would be satisfied with just one glimpse of Him.

– Jennie Riddle (songstress)

Revelation Song – Kari Jobe | Christ For The Nations Worship

CFNWorship Official

Clothed in rainbows, of living color
Flashes of lightning, rolls of thunder
Blessing and honor, strength and
Glory and power be
To You the Only Wise King,
Yeah

From: Praise Charts

The Story Behind “Revelation Song,”
by Jennie Riddle

Back in 1999, I had just changed my 20,446th diaper (yes… I count… don’t you? ), and began singing the aforementioned lullaby over my fourth son, Andrew, as we cuddled in our blue chair. My keyboard was broken down, and I simply didn’t have the energy to set it up; it had been a really tough “mommy” day. The guitar (which I didn’t really play) was accessible, my spaghetti dinner was begging to be cooked and screaming my name… but so was the Holy Spirit! I, again, began telling Him how much I wanted to SEE and HEAR all creation worshipping Him. The songs being sung by the Bride at that time were focusing on need. My heart longed to focus on something far greater than my need, knowing that all needs would be satisfied with just one glimpse of Him.

Therefore, I asked the Holy Spirit to help me write a song that painted Him; a song that the angels and creation were already singing, so that we could join in with One Voice, as One Bride, to One King. My heart recalled Ezekiel 1:26-28 and Revelation 4…. (Entire Article Here)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPTYHyXY-g

This is an amazing worship song being performed at Christ for the Nations Institute…. I always loved this song but its impact became so much more powerful when I realized how biblical and real it is. This video is an attempt to give an idea of the biblical context, so you know that when you sing this song, you are truly joining the angels

[WordPOWER!] I woke up today hearing "Psalm 19": Clean, Beaming, Shining … Free! Whereas Willful Sins Put Out Our Light — Separating the Body from Christ and Each Other!

Today, I woke up hearing “Psalm 19.” I thought I’d share it with you all.
From the Textus Receptus based and royalty free World English Bible:

Psalm 19

A main reason I like photography so much!

1 The heavens declare the glory of God. The expanse shows his handiwork.

2 Day after day they pour forth speech, and night after night they display knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their voice has gone out through all the earth, their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,

5 which is as a bridegroom coming out of his room, like a strong man rejoicing to run his course.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heavens, his circuit to its ends; There is nothing hidden from its heat.

The world says do what feels good. Satan says “do what thou wilt.” But life, joy and actual internal freedom from demons comes from obeying our Lord, being led by the Holy Spirit, the law that is now written in our hearts.

7 Yahweh’s law is perfect, restoring the soul. Yahweh’s testimony is sure, making wise the simple.

8 Yahweh’s precepts are right, rejoicing the heart. Yahweh’s commandment is pure, enlightening the eyes.

It’s amazing how probably the majority of preachers today say we no longer need to fear God, but how clean then are these preachers? Neglecting this detergent that Paul did clearly teach is destroying our land and many are perishing, forever.
For if the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, what do we have since we’ve discarded it?

Remove the fear of the Lord and remove wisdom, the cleanser that is supposed to keep us clean.

9 The fear of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. Yahweh’s ordinances are true, and righteous altogether.

Our number one pursuit, our main focus should be righteousness with God and all people.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yes, than much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and the extract of the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is your servant warned. In keeping them there is great reward.

This reminds me of Hebrews 10:26-34 (For if we sin willfully…), which I explain in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way. We’re in big trouble with God if we get presumptuous and willfully sin sins that we know dishonor God and people. From these we must repent in order to be righteous before God. The “fear of the Lord” detergent should keep our hearts clean.
…while David then asks to be forgiven from errors that are hidden from him, that he isn’t fully aware of. It’s the willful sins that people knowingly do that have deadly consequences.

12 Who can discern his errors? Forgive me from hidden errors.

13 Keep back your servant also from presumptuous* sins. Let them not have dominion over me. Then I will be upright. I will be blameless and innocent of great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, Yahweh, my rock, and my redeemer.

For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David.

* presumptuous (from Wiktionary)

Adjective

presumptuous

Going beyond what is right or proper because of an excess of self-confidence or arrogance

Synonyms

overconfident; foolhardy; rash; presuming; forward; arrogant; insolent.


May we all be holy and shine — God’s glory beaming out of us just like it does out of the heavens — our hearts smiling — clean!

No willful, presumptuous sins!

People are not the enemy!

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The Boot Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!!

From: ONEcanhappen

Related:

Boot camp kills the conscience
so soldiers can do evil without
being convicted in their hearts

If possible, I usually try to find articles already written so I don’t have to reinvent the wheel. There must be great articles written on this subject, but I haven’t been able to find them. So I’ll share what’s on my heart.

I’ll start with some key texts.

Elders’ Qualifications according to 1 Timothy 3:

1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop [overseer or elder] then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker*, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler….

* A striker doesn’t just strike with his hands, but James-3 curses people from his heart. See my ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts
King David was not allowed to build the temple because his hands were stained with blood. 1 Cor. 22:

7 David said to Solomon his son, “As for me, it was in my heart to build a house to the name of Yahweh my God. 8 But the word of Yahweh came to me, saying, ‘You have shed blood abundantly, and have made great wars. You shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in my sight. 9 Behold, a son shall be born to you, who shall be a man of rest. I will give him rest from all his enemies all around; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness to Israel in his days. 10 He shall build a house for my name….

Does military mind-control programming disqualify church leaders? No, but: according to Galatians 5, true Christians have crucified their flesh and are now free from everything in the first list, here.

Only leaders who are truly called by God to lead and who have crucified their flesh (including the hate programming), exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit in this second list are truly qualified to lead God’s people.

19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders [he who hates his brother is a murderer], drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God [not go to heaven, see 6:7-9].

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ [true, Christians] have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts [deprogrammed from the works of the flesh, above — NO HATE].

I just took a fabulous fine-art photography workshop in which the instructor said a couple of times that photographers who can’t cry shouldn’t be [art] photographers. Art photography should be from the heart, not just an exercise in logic.
And this would be true of great music too.

I was writing a friend, thinking about how there seems to be this big gap between men and women photographers in being able to shoot from the heart. Women can cry, but I can cry too.

What happened to men so many can no longer cry? Most aren’t born that way. How do men lose their ability to express sorrow and even joy with tears?

Boot camp? A large percentage of men have gone through boot camp. And a huge percentage of children have had fathers who went through boot camp. So what’s the big deal? We need to train men to fight, right?

We’ve seen the movies, the documentaries where they break recruits down to build them up — swearing in their face, telling young men they’re basically a piece of ____, and then telling them: “you’re a Marine!” “You’re a man now,” once they complete the mind-control program called boot camp.

But what just happened to those young men so many will no longer cry, and many will kill on command without question, without engaging the soul?
What happens when the recruits are sworn at, called trash?

I don’t know to what degree this happens anymore, but this is my theory. The drill sergeants teach the young recruits to hate. They teach them to have hate and anger for people, which is a reverse-Christian concept, and they teach these just-barely-not-boys that the enemy are gooks or some other derogatory, sub-human name.
Boys are being conditioned to not love anymore. Loyalty is not the same as love. Their hearts are hardened, and then these men return to civilian life and become husbands, fathers, and even pastors.

Paul said an elder cannot be a striker. How many boot-camp-affected pastors are free of the hate demons installed into them during boot camp or by a boot-camp-graduate Dad, teacher, whatever — pastor???

Anyone can be set free from any demon(s), including these boot camp ones.

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Why have I had license plates that say NO HATE for 14 years? I found out that hate and unforgiveness were among the root causes of why people were getting hurt in the church I was attending, and this problem wasn’t being adequately addressed, or solved.

But this is also a community-wide situation. It’s one of the roots of the problem as well as one of the keys to the solution.

Why in the world did most pastors support the Bush/Cheney pro-immoral-war policies without question?

There are many reasons, but I think this boot-camp factor is hugely responsible. Most pastors aren’t even willing to research what these and many of the previous wars are all about. Perhaps they think this would show weakness, but in reality it would show Christlikeness.

“He who hates his brother is a murderer and does not have eternal life abiding in him.” How many men (including pastors) have sold their soul during boot camp and haven’t repented.

And look at the mess we’re in now. They won’t investigate what really happened on 9/11. They rubber stamped every immoral and unconstitutional act that President Bush did. And they wouldn’t support the true Christian, pro-life-for-adults-and-babies candidate, Ron Paul.

And now we’re sitting in this mess.

Please, if you have hate and anger in your heart, remember that we will not be forgiven unless we forgive even our enemies, no matter what the boot camp influenced pastors teach. What did Jesus teach? Would he have gone along with the hate indoctrination, or would he have remained free to love everyone no matter what?

We saw how he died, and how Stephen died. How many modern day pastors would forgive their enemies like Jesus and Stephen did? How many curse people whom merely just disagree with them, people who are trying to bring in peace?
We need a healing from this boot-camp induced hate.

It may be too late to restore America, but we can restore the church to actually doing the greatest two commandments, which are all about loving God with our all and all of our neighbors (including Al Qaeda) as ourselves.

Then we will be ONE as Jesus prayed we would be in John 17: ONE with each other and ONE in God, Himself, Who died so everyone could be set free. Matthew 5:

7 Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

Jesus said that only the pure in heart will see God. Only the peacemakers are truly children of God — Christians.

NO HATE.

Let that Dirty Thing Go, The Monster That Hides Inside, the demon that hold you back.

FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee———-DOM!!!!!!!!!!!

And “no John Waynes,” from part 21 of my “Let Us Be ‘ONE'” prophecy. Jesus:

A way that is right for a man is not My way. You must obey.

No heroes,
no John Waynes,
none that disobey,
thinking they are so cool.

I hope you see this, that the world can’t give you life. It’s not full, and pride will cease. Watch it get squashed when the end-times come, the final days the world will see. I will come with a sword, and few will recognize that I am the one who died for their sins, and be thankful, because then it will be too late. Now is the day of salvation. Now is the time to get ready, full of Me.

Strengthen your loins. Make haste to obey. Fill yourselves with righteousness for all to see. Then they will be glad, because you obeyed. Many will follow when the time is right.

Now many are weary. They mistrust. They judge without love. They need to respect My opinion. Then they can relax, once they are in Me—anger no more. Rebellion will cease.

A new way has come, leading many into victory, where they can stay in Me and never get out.

We can be ONE. Many will see it and be glad—for you obeyed.

Power to the Peaceful!

powertothepeaceful

Love,

Jeff Fenske : )

Related:

Boot camp kills the conscience so soldiers can do evil without being convicted in their hearts

Lose your empathy, and you’ve lost your soul: “Republicans still support Bush’s torture and murder of about two million innocents, and Democrats overlook Obama’s expanded war and torture.” “Once a combat soldier kills a defenseless non-combatant…”
People Cursing Animals (and People?): “Men Who Stare At Goats” — The True Story Behind The Film
“No Hate,” Himself (John Wooden) Recognized as the Greatest Coach!

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Coach Daubenmire: The Hirelings are Responsible

America is in dire need of a revival. It will never happen with the hirelings currently occupying our pulpits. It is at their feet that we must lay the killing, stealing, and destroying of the Christian heritage from this nation. It is time for a reformation*.

*reformation?
I’ve long said that what we need is a reformation of The Reformation. Luther didn’t get it, and neither are the vast majority of our current day church leaders. Their cisterns won’t hold water. They can’t pull us out of this mess, but some of them could if they had the right tools, the right idea.
Why isn’t God showing up, eh? He wants to.
I agree with what the coach says here. The cause for the fall of America is the church leaders. But beneath that, the deepest cause is the false doctrine that prevails in pulpits and on ‘Christian’ radio and TV.
My heart longs for people (even some of these church leaders who are often well meaning) who will be willing to discuss what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven, tithing, ‘Christians’ cursing people, power-under verses power-over, being totally right with God and people (Jesus’ Greatest Two Commandments!), even Holy Spirit led — the points I address in this site.
Let’s talk. Please?
Jeff Fenske

………………..

From: News with Views

…last week I promised to take on another issue, that of “the hirelings” in the pulpits.

Let me remind you that I am not a theologian; I have never attended seminary, and do not consider myself an expert on any Biblical issue. But I can read, and I can think. As I have taken time to do as the Bereans who “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” I have found that many things I previously had been taught just simply did not line-up with Scripture. It was through my own study that I ran across something that up to now no one has been able to refute to me. Perhaps you can….I am not afraid of the Truth. …

John 10 is clear if read with an open mind. Hirelings are Pharisees and the Pharisees were hirelings….professional “ministers.” Jesus warned us about both.

How can we possibly restore righteousness to this nation when we can’t even get those who stand in the pulpit to honor the Word of God? How can we expect our elected officials to stand publicly against evil when the “men of the cloth” are too cowardly to do so?

Jesus’ anger was not directed towards the secular government but towards those who changed his house of prayer into a “den of thieves.”(There are those thieves again) He cleaned the house and today we need to do the same.

Christians have lost all credibility with the world. For the most part the public image of Christian leaders is money grubbing, hypocritical, and Republican, a far cry from the Christ we claim to serve.

America is in dire need of a revival. It will never happen with the hirelings currently occupying our pulpits. It is at their feet that we must lay the killing, stealing, and destroying of the Christian heritage from this nation. It is time for a reformation.

Instead of all of this talk about “reclaiming America” perhaps we should refocus on reclaiming our faith. Has there ever been an institution with more pathetic leadership than we see today in American Christianity? Nothing is more debilitating to an army than cowardly leadership.

Entire Article Here

Taking 'relevance' too far: SWIM UPSTREAM – or – "RIDE THE RAPIDS of 'relevancy' over the falls to our spiritual demise"

From: News with Views, Paul Proctor: The Rush To Relevance Is The Road To Ruin

“Our time as Christians would be better spent swimming upstream against the currents of compromise and corruption than finding some fashionable flotilla with which to comfortably fit in and ride the rapids of relevancy over the falls to our spiritual demise.”

POLITICS, POWER and PRIDE: How U.S Evangelicals Lost the Culture War and the Way Forward. God Will Not Ride in on Either an Elephant or a Donkey

POLITICS, POWER and PRIDE:
How U.S Evangelicals Lost the Culture War and the Way Forward.

-by Eddie Hyatt.

Evangelicals may finally be realizing that political activism is not
the path to preserving the Christian character and culture of America.
After 30 years of the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition and the
religious right, America, last November, elected what are probably
the most liberal president and congress in its history. Since that
time 5 states have legalized homosexual marriage and others are
poised to follow suit. Chuck Schumer, the influential, liberal senator
from New York, gleefully declared that, “All this talk about family
and traditional values is a thing of the past.” In the midst of all this,
Dr. James Dobson, whom many would consider the most prominent
voice of the religious right, solemnly announced, “We (evangelical
Christians) have lost the culture war.”

Although this turn of events is disturbing for evangelical Christians,
this could be the starting point for a national awakening unto God;
but only if we admit our failures and turn from the notion that we can
change America by our own efforts, political or otherwise.

We (Evangelicals) Have Been Wrong

Please understand that I am not suggesting that we should not
be good citizens and participate in the political process; nor am
I suggesting that God does not call some to civil service and
statesmanship. But I am convinced that evangelical Christians in
America crossed the line in trying to change America through
political activism. We thought that if we could get enough Christians
elected to Congress and elect a Christian president that we would
preserve our Christian culture and heritage. Instead, politics, power
and pride became characteristic of American evangelicalism, rather
than prayer, compassion, humility and spiritual power. We forgot
that America has a history of Spiritual awakenings and that this
“revival heritage” has been the preserving force of our Christian
culture.

God Will Not Ride in on Either an Elephant or a Donkey

Hopefully, some are beginning to realize that God’s purposes for
America will not be realized through a political process or political
party. As Dr. Tony Evans once said, “God will not ride into our
midst on either an elephant (symbol of the Democrat party) or a
donkey (symbol of the Republican party).”

In seeking a political solution to our spiritual problems we,
as evangelical Christians, identified ourselves with a particular
political party and, thereby, alienated ourselves from over half of
the American populace. This is not good! Neither Jesus nor the
earliest Christians identified themselves with any of the many
political parties that were operative in their day; but, instead,
preached a transcendent government or kingdom of God that
would transform individuals (and thereby society) from within. We
need to take a closer look at the New Testament in this area and
adjust our thinking accordingly.

Col. Bob Bowman: God's Prescription for National SECURITY. The WARhorse is a Vain Hope for Victory. We Should Have Repented Instead

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from The Alex Jones Show, 7/8/09

“For the last 30 years, I’ve been quoting scripture. Psalm 33:

‘A king is not saved by his mighty army. A warrior is not saved by his great strength. The warhorse is a vain hope for victory, and in its might it cannot save.’

Psalm 37 gives the prescription for national security. It says:

Trust in the Lord and do good that you may dwell in the land and have security.’

By accepting the evil we are destroying this country and its security.”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3kei8K5_dY]

Alex welcomes in-studio Robert M. Bowman, former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions, and Presidential candidate for the Reform Party in 2000.

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Good-For-Nothing "Christians" — We are Responsible!

Jesus (Mt. 5:13):

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it [USA & the world] be salted?

It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.”

…………………………………………..

Pastor Baldwin:

When the salt loses its savor, it is “cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.” And that is exactly what is happening to us today.

~~~

If one is looking for someone to blame America’s demise on, don’t look to the prostitutes, drug dealers, or crooked politicians: look no further than the doorsteps of America’s churches.

~~~

Pastor Baldwin James-3 cursed?

Genuine Bible prophets usually occupy the pulpits where hardly anyone attends. Truth has been replaced with entertainment, and calls for repentance are drowned out by the clamor for prosperity theology.

I can tell you from personal experience that, in more than 34 years of Gospel ministry, it has never been harder to continue to carry the torch of truth than it is today. It takes a toll on one’s physical health and emotional being, and even on one’s family. Any pastor desiring to carry the torch of truth today need not expect to have many friends. And any evangelist desiring to carry the torch of truth today need not expect to get many meetings. Truth is about as popular as a bad case of the measles, and yes, I mean among today’s professing “Christians.”

From: News With Views

“Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.” (Matt. 5:13 KJV)

Jesus said that salt without savor is “good for nothing.” Savor is the ingredient, the character that gives salt its quality–and its value. When salt is as it should be, it is a most precious commodity. Not only is it used as a seasoning; it is, more importantly, a preservative. As most everyone knows, salt was the primary source of food preservation before the days of refrigeration. Salt has been deemed to be so valuable at times that wars have actually been waged over it. During times of unusual deprivation, salt can be even more valuable than precious metals. But when salt loses its saltiness, it is absolutely worthless; it is “good for nothing.”

Jesus plainly proclaimed that He viewed His disciples as being the salt of society. In other words, when believers have the character they should have, they provide the preservation of the land. They hold back and retard the putrefying properties of spoilage and decay. But when Christians lose their character, when they lose the internal resistance to decay, they become “good for nothing” and the result is, the land is “trodden under foot of men.”

It grieves me to say that, for the most part, the modern Christian, the modern pastor, and the modern church have lost their savor. Taken as a whole, we have lost our inner character: the ability to resist decay and preserve the land has long departed, and America is fast being “trodden under foot of men.”

Our churches are no longer places of respite from the world: they are mirrors of it: the same dress; the same attitudes; the same carnality; the same spirit; the same stubbornness; the same pride. Churches are no longer bastions of truth: they are glorified social clubs or mere corporations, where Christianity is never allowed to interfere with business. Instead of being watchmen on the wall, our pastors are CEOs or, even worse, politicians. Popularity and personal ambition far outweigh commitment to truth and an independent mind. And as for Christian homes, forget it. The modern American home is straight out of Isaiah chapter three: “babes shall rule over them.” In the average “Christian” home, children rule the mothers, and mothers, in turn, rule the fathers. Discipline and instruction are out; leniency and ignorance are in.

We have a pandemic all right, but it’s not the swine flu: it is a pandemic of spineless Christianity. Parents who cannot stand up to their own children; pastors who cannot stand up to their own congregations; religious leaders who cannot stand up to politicians; and churches that cannot stand up to unconstitutional government.

Our so-called “conservative Christian” special interest groups are far more concerned about not losing financial contributions than they are about confronting the real evils of society. And as far as the Religious Right is concerned, it lost its soul somewhere early on in the first administration of George W. Bush.

Entire Article Here

How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many are Finding the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%?!!

Howard Pittman was told this 2.5% figure at the gate of heaven 30 years ago (having died on the way to the hospital) — before once-saved-always-saved was mainstream, before internet porn even existed, before the low-cut-top epidemic hit America, when more people were honest, and hate and anger wasn’t off the charts.

The figure may be less than 2.5% now.

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From: 888c.com

How many will be in Heaven ?

The Bible gives us a clue below when it says that: “few there be that find it.”  We might ask, how few ?

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at [through] the strait [the narrow] gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way [road], that leadeth to destruction [leads to eternity in Hell], and many there be which go in [enter] thereat [through it]:

Mat 7:14 Because strait [small] is the gate, and narrow is the way [road], which leadeth unto life [leads to eternity in Heaven], and few there be [only a few] that find it.

Since the Bible suggests comparing a narrow way (road) with a broad way (road) to get the answer, let’s quantify this example.

A narrow way or road such as a single lane country road may be only about 10 feet wide.

A broad way or road such as an urban expressway with numerous lanes going both ways can easily be about 400 feet wide.

The ratio in this example is on the order of 1 in 40 (400 divided by 10).  How many will be in Heaven?  This example would conclude that only about 1 in 40 goes to Heaven.

Few (1 in 40) there be that find it (eternity in Heaven).

This is only about 2.5% of the world’s population making it to heaven.

Many (the other 39, or 97.5%) go to destruction (eternity in Hell).

Let’s examine another example.  On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman describes (in his booklet “Placebo”) his near-death experience.  While the physicians were working on him, he suffered physical death.

During this death interval, he was permitted to watch 50 saints (true Christians) enter Heaven.  It was explained to him that “at the same time those 50 saints died on Earth, 1950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven.  The other 1950 were not there.”

The ratio in this example is also 1 in 40 (2000 divided by 50).

Based on this example, only about 1 in 40 is going to Heaven.  (50 in 2000)

That’s about 2.5% (saints, true Christians) going to heaven, and 97.5% going somewhere else.

Full Article Here

Related:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

[WordPOWER!] 2 Peter 3: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT
Willful Ignorance: Actively Resisting the Truth & Truth-tellers

[FreedomQuote] ‎”I Would Rather Know The Ugly Truth Than A Beautiful Lie”

From Willful Ignorance through Cognitive Dissonance to “Could I Be Wrong?”

[Reverse-Christianity] Torture and the American Conscience: Most white 'Christian' evangelicals and white Catholics condone torture – Pew Forum Poll

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions. He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com
From: Lew Rockwell

Torture is a violation of US and international law. Yet, president George W. Bush and vice president Dick Cheney, on the basis of legally incompetent memos prepared by Justice Department officials, gave the OK to interrogators to violate US and international law.

The new Obama administration shows no inclination to uphold the rule of law by prosecuting those who abused their offices and broke the law.

Cheney claims, absurdly, that torture was necessary in order to save American cities from nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists. Many Americans have bought the argument that torture is morally justified in order to make terrorists reveal where ticking nuclear bombs are before they explode.

However, there were no hidden ticking nuclear bombs. Hypothetical scenarios were used to justify torture for other purposes.

We now know that the reason the Bush regime tortured its captives was to coerce false testimony that linked Iraq and Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda and September 11. Without this “evidence,” the US invasion of Iraq remains a war crime under the Nuremberg standard.

Torture, then, was a second Bush regime crime used to produce an alibi for the illegal and unprovoked US invasion of Iraq.

U.S. Representative Ron Paul (R, Tx) understands the danger to Americans of permitting government to violate the law. In “Torturing the Rule of Law,” he said that the US government’s use of torture to produce excuses for illegal actions is the most radicalizing force at work today. “The fact that our government engages in evil behavior under the auspices of the American people is what poses the greatest threat to the American people, and it must not be allowed to stand.”

One might think that the American public’s toleration of torture reflects the breakdown of the country’s Christian faith. Alas, a recent poll released by the Pew Forum reveals that most white Christian evangelicals and white Catholics condone torture. In contrast, only a minority of those who seldom or never attend church services condone torture.

It is a known fact that torture produces unreliable information. The only purpose of torture is to produce false confessions. The fact that a majority of American Christians condone torture enabled the Bush regime’s efforts to legalize torture.

George Hunsinger, professor at Princeton Theological Seminary, has stepped into the Christian void with a powerful book, Torture is a Moral Issue.

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I just heard these words while sleeping: “Why torture me? Why does the criminal government of America torture me?”

"He [Jesus] wept when people were falling into Hell … It pained Him…" "If anybody could see Hell for 5 seconds they wouldn't want their worst enemy to end up there"

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qkY1XZtIs]Bill Wiese — 23 Minutes in Hell (TBN)

Bill Wiese talks about Hell on CBN: "He [Jesus] wept because He doesn't want to see one person go to Hell. He didn't make it for man…" "He mentioned that He was coming very, very soon"

Related:

Bill Wiese’s 23 Minutes in Hell — What is it like in Hell? — “How bad could it be? You can’t breath; you can’t eat; you can’t sleep… you’re tormented. And all this you have to endure for eternity.”
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvZC0V-9A8]WHAT COULD HELL BE LIKE? Bill Wiese talks to Pat Robertson

.5% EXPECT TO GO TO HELL

64% BELIEVE THEY WILL GO TO HEAVEN

Whereas Howard Pittman was told by the angels in heaven that only 2.5% of people would have gone to heaven, had everyone died at that time.

And that was 30 years ago, before internet porn even existed, before the low-cut-top epidemic hit America, when more people were honest, and hate and anger wasn’t off the charts (including among pastors).

Bill Wiese on Fox: "You wouldn't want your worst enemy to end up in Hell"

[googlevideo=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8467692105606839656]23 Minutes In Hell – Bill Wiese Interview On Fox News

Prophecies for Abbott Loop CC

From: Abbott Loop Community Church

ALCC Prophecy


By ALCC – Posted on 07 June 2009
If you feel that the Lord has placed a message on your heart for ALCC, there are several ways to communicate that to the leadership.
You can e-mail it to prophetic@abbottloop.org or you can come to pre-service prayer at 9:15 a.m. on Sunday mornings and share it with one of the leaders there.

My new personal blog is up: jefffenske.com

I am happy to announce that About Jeff Fenske now continues.
My first post is now up at my brand new personal blog: jefffenske.com.
My goal is to be more open and more accountable.
May we be ONE!
Jeff : )

Sir Edmund Burke: Silence Isn’t Always Golden

Silence is golden,
but when it threatens your freedom,
it’s
yellow.

– Sir Edmund Burke
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If people’s eternal freedom is threatened,
is it morally right to just shut up and say nothing?
Or should we tell the truth:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

How the previous post, "What the Lord’s Prayer really says about FORGIVING…," came about

I thought I’d share how the previous post with the long title came about: What the Lord’s Prayer really says about FORGIVING. Jesus made it clear right after “Amen”: “IF YOU DON’T forgive…” vs. Luther’s Catechism: “God forgives WITHOUT CONDITION,” even “REVENGE!!!”
Recently, I was talking with a friend of mine, who also has a strong Lutheran background, about the who-really-goes-to-heaven topic. And I brought up the Lord’s Prayer. I was surprised to discover that she didn’t know that Jesus clarified the forgive us our trespasses as we forgive… line right after the Amen — so that we would all know.
So I thought maybe I should write a post about this, because perhaps there are many who have memorized the Lord’s Prayer but haven’t gleaned from the source material (Matthew) that Jesus kept right on going after the Amen: “For if you forgive…,” to make sure we understand what He means by “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who sin against us” — that He really meant business. This is no trivial matter.
As I wrote the post, I thought: I’ll just check Luther’s Small Catechism to see if the part after the Amen is in there. I thought: probably not, which turned out to be correct. And I just now looked it up in Wikipedia [Does anyone know if Wikipedia is derived from wicked or wicca?] to make sure the the isn’t supposed to be capitalized in the Lord’s Prayer. Wikipedia outlines each phrase from the prayer while also not including the two verses after the Amen that are key to understanding the forgiving concept in the prayer.
So I found out for sure that the Small Catechism stopped with the Amen, with Luther actually calling this phrase The Conclusion. But I vaguely remembered Luther’s Large Catechism (not having read it in probably 35 years), and wondered if Martin Luther mentioned The Clarification (I’ll call it, verses 14 and 15, the two verses right after the Amen).
I discovered that he has a whole section explaining what he calls The Fifth Petition (“forgive us our trespasses as we forgive…”), and I include this in its entirety in the post. Reading it carefully, I was amazed to find that not only does Luther spin verses 14 and 15 into something other than what Jesus said, but he even included the revenge concept, which he seems to be so fond of, and attempts to justify it: in that we have much cause for doing it in our poor miserable lives; and because we’re already sealed and forgiven without condition anyway.
So I’m now sitting here, for the first time realizing that as a youth, I was formally taught from a book that professed that revenge is okay and that Jesus didn’t really mean that we must forgive others in order to go to heaven.
[Brainwashing; mind-control comes to mind: like how I see FOX News and so-called conservative talk-radio spinning evil as being good, and good as being evil. I document this deception with many different examples at ToBeFree.]
No wonder so many of us still need major deprogramming for us to become ONE, which is supposed to be normal for Christians, according to Jesus (John 17).
Notice, I include myself. The Bible is so amazingly clear if one reads it afresh, without bias, and with the Holy Spirit’s help. But the programming was so powerful! We were Lutherans, after all. We were taught to follow Luther without question — a man who didn’t really understand what real Christianity is.
Which is why many still respond to the question, are you a Christian? this way: “I’m Lutheran,” or “I’m Catholic.” We drank the Kool Aid as we were programmed to do.
Thank God I saw the light, decades ago, while reading the Bible on my own — though I’m convinced that somebody must have been praying for me, as the Holy Spirit helped me start to break free from the matrix.
But I still need more light to fully think and walk as a follower of Christ, Himself — Holy Spirit led — always walking in the love of Christ, manifested…!
May we be holy and walk free — breaking out of the traditional shackles, emerging as sons and daughters — unencumbered with disinformation — walking fully in truth and in God, having read the Bible again, to make sure — wishing each other well, having confessed our sins one to another, right with each other so we can be healed!!!!!!!
I can see us breaking free of the fog and into the light — on the mountain top where we can see clearly for miles and miles!!!
God bless you all!
May we be ONE in Christ — together — free — always!!!
Jeff : )

What the Lord’s Prayer really says about FORGIVING. Jesus made it clear right after “Amen”: “IF YOU DON’T forgive…” VS. Luther’s Catechism: “God forgives WITHOUT CONDITION,” forgiving even “REVENGE”!!!

Everyone who is familiar with the Lord’s Prayer should know that forgiving others is a salvation issue, for Jesus expanded verse 12 in verses 14 and 15 (right after the ‘Amen’).

But many of us only memorized 9b-13. In effect, we were only taught soundbites. And that’s how the great deception has been pulled off. Many don’t even know that verses 14 and 15 exist!

We must be holy — experientially — not just ‘legally’ (a theological term that is currently being used to deceive many).

The Bible teaches: we are only legally, in-God’s-sight holy if we’re actually living holy — right with God and people — enabled and empowered, given GRACE by the Holy Spirit to do so.

According to the Bible, we must forgive. We have no excuses. Forgiving others is a big deal!

May we be ONE in Him!

powertothepeaceful

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<< Matthew 6:9-15 >>
King James Bible

9 After this manner therefore pray ye:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
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<< Matthew 6:9-15 >>
World English Bible

Pray like this:

‘Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy.

Let your Kingdom come. Let your will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.

Give us today our daily bread.

Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.

Bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

For yours is the Kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.’

For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you don’t forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Okay, that’s pretty clear, right? But verses 14 and 15 weren’t included in what I had to memorize in the materials I was taught from in Lutheran school and in confirmation class. We were taught our sins are forgiven, period. And that’s what Luther taught in his Large Catechism.
This is how Martin Luther spins Jesus’ words to mean something He didn’t say.
From: Martin Luther’s Large Catechism, translated by Bente and Dau by Martin Luther, not copyrighted.

The Fifth Petition.

And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.

This part now relates to our poor miserable life, which, although we have and believe the Word of God, and do and submit to His will, and are supported by His gifts and blessings is nevertheless not without sin. For we still stumble daily and transgress because we live in the world among men who do us much harm and give us cause for impatience, anger, revenge [James-3 cursing? – ed.], etc. Besides, we have Satan at our back, who sets upon us on every side, and fights (as we have heard) against all the foregoing petitions, so that it is not possible always to stand firm in such a persistent conflict.

Martin Luther believed that we could not overcome serious sins like persistent anger and revenge [Luther actually stated that he intentionally cursed people daily], though the Bible in many places teaches that we must overcome [see: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way]. The Holy Spirit enables and empowers us, gives us the grace to overcome temptations, to the degree that Paul taught: “No temptation has taken you except what is common to man. God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” (1 Cor. 10:13)
Now Luther goes into his once-saved-always-saved theme. He taught that we are forgiven no matter what we do, no matter how many and serious are our sins. So he concludes that Jesus didn’t really mean what He clearly said. Jesus’ admonition to forgive others is merely to help us know inside what is true in reality, that we are already forgiven—because we can never be unforgiven.
According to Luther, we don’t have to forgive others in order to be forgiven (Jesus made sure we understood  this is what He meant in verse 12 by his emphatic statements in verses 14 and 15), we forgive others only so we can “obtain consolation to comfort the conscience.”

Therefore there is here again great need to call upon God and to pray: Dear Father, forgive us our trespasses. Not as though He did not forgive sin without and even before our prayer (for He has given us the Gospel, in which is pure forgiveness before we prayed or ever thought about it). But this is to the intent that we may recognize and accept such forgiveness. For since the flesh in which we daily live is of such a nature that it neither trusts nor believes God, and is ever active in evil lusts and devices, so that we sin daily in word and deed, by commission and omission by which the conscience is thrown into unrest, so that it is afraid of the wrath and displeasure of God, and thus loses the comfort and confidence derived from the Gospel; therefore it is ceaselessly necessary that we run hither and obtain consolation to comfort the conscience again.

So, according to Luther, if we willfully sin sins that lead to death, and feel guilty as a result, so that we lose our comfort and confidence before God, even being afraid of the wrath and displeasure of God, this is only an illusion. This fear is unwarranted (even though Hebrews 10:26-39 and many other scriptures say the opposite), and forgiving others helps us feel right with God again; even though, in reality we were right with Him all along.
Jesus said the opposite. We must forgive to be forgiven, and that’s why we feel right after doing so, because then we are right. Martin Luther was clearly a false teacher who was deceived, himself, and tragically, the false doctrines he taught are still widely accepted today!

But this should serve God’s purpose of breaking our pride and keeping us humble. For in case any one should boast of his godliness and despise others, God has reserved this prerogative to Himself, that the person is to consider himself and place this prayer before his eyes, and he will find that he is no better than others, and that in the presence of God all must lower their plumes, and be glad that they can attain forgiveness. And let no one think that as long as we live here he can reach such a position that he will not need such forgiveness. In short, if God does not forgive without ceasing, we are lost.

That’s precisely Jesus’ point. God does not forgive without ceasing, so many are indeed lost, having believed this lie.
We must obey — Jesus.
We don’t have to obey — Luther.
God’s forgiveness is conditional — Jesus.
“God forgives freely and without condition” — Luther (says below).

It is therefore the intent of this petition that God would not regard our sins and hold up to us what we daily deserve, but would deal graciously with us, and forgive, as He has promised, and thus grant us a joyful and confident conscience to stand before Him in prayer. For where the heart is not in right relation towards God, nor can take such confidence, it will nevermore venture to pray. But such a confident and joyful heart can spring from nothing else than the [certain] knowledge of the forgiveness of sin.

But there is here attached a necessary, yet consolatory addition: As we forgive. He has promised that we shall be sure that everything is forgiven and pardoned, yet in the manner that we also forgive our neighbor. For just as we daily sin much against God and yet He forgives everything through grace, so we, too, must ever forgive our neighbor who does us injury, violence, and wrong, shows malice toward us, etc. If, therefore you do not forgive, then do not think that God forgives you; but if you forgive, you have this consolation and assurance, that you are forgiven in heaven, not on account of your forgiving, — for God forgives freely and without condition, out of pure grace, because He has so promised, as the Gospel teaches, — but in order that He may set this up for our confirmation and assurance for a sign alongside of the promise which accords with this prayer, Luke 6, 37: Forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. Therefore Christ also repeats it soon after the Lord’s Prayer, and says, Matt. 6,14: For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, etc.

In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus clearly gives a condition to us in order for our sins to be forgiven: “as we forgive others who trespass against us.” “For if you don’t forgive….” But this didn’t fit into Luther’s forgiven-no-matter-what theology in which “God forgives freely and without condition.” So Luther concluded that James shouldn’t be scripture because it talks about the necessity of obedience, and Jesus can’t really mean what He is really saying — because it doesn’t fit into the once-infant-baptized-always-saved (OBAS?) formula. Luther turns Jesus’ crystal clear condition that Jesus emphasized after the ‘Amen’ into an unnecessary mental exercise, “a sign” that merely helps us appease our consciences.
We don’t really have to forgive because it’s all ‘automatic,’ anyway. Though Jesus clearly said we need to. This is the deception: OSAS — Once-saved-always-saved.
Jesus said it clearly here and elsewhere, as did Paul, John, and almost every book in the New Testament. We can’t keep willfully sinning sins that lead to death: lust, hatred (unforgiveness on steroids), lying, envy, etc. and be right enough with God and man in order to go to heaven. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God” — Paul in Romans 8:14. It’s not automatic. There are strings. We must abide in Christ, walk in love, forgiving, having pure hearts of gold.
Jesus in Mathew 6:

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”
Martin Luther’s Subordinate Bible Books: Hebrews, James, Jude & Revelation
Luther: Let us BANISH the epistle of James, for it is ‘WORTHLESS’ — written by a non-Christian and can’t be reconciled with Paul
The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: By their Fruits You Will Know Them — Martin Luther was a false teacher, a racist, a persecutor and a murderer! John Calvin was a false teacher, a deranged tyrant, a persecutor and a murderer!
Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? (Where Paul is reconciled with James — and with Hebrews and 1 John — and with Jesus. It all works!)

Sid Roth: GOING to a CHURCH might be a BIG PLACEBO — "This is ETERNAL LIFE: that you might KNOW HIM"

Adapted from: Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural pdf transcript

“You know very few ‘Christians’ have intimacy with God — very few. Most ‘Christians’ are just plain religious.

And I don’t want to get into theology, but I am not even sure whetherjust being religious, just going to church has much to do with going to heaven. I think it might be a big placebo. …

This is eternal life: that you might know Him‘ — ‘know Him.'”

– Sid Roth
.
Watch Video with Guest, Bobby Conner

“My guest Bobby Conner prayed for a baby with half
a face missing. Before his eyes the face materialized.

That’s normal. I wish the whole world were normal.”
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Related: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Hell is Real — There were some ministers there with their whole congregations gnashing their teeth on this minister: "You told us you had the truth. We followed you!"

From: Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural

On It’s Supernatural:

At age 12, Franklin Walden was carried into the heavens
and told he would minister healing to hurting people,
and that it would be seen and heard throughout the world.
He has seen the lame walk, the blind see,
and the dead being raised to life. …

Sid: Why does one doctor call you “the miracle man”?

Franklin: Well, I left my body for 21 days.

Sid: What happened? Did you have a heart problem?

Franklin: No, I had a ruptured colon, and I almost bled to death.

Sid: So you’re laying in the hospital bed,
but you’re not in that bed, you’re somewhere else.
Where are you at?

Franklin: First I was at a place with my family,
then my wife and I went into the heavens.
God carried us to a place I believe was paradise.
Then I came back, and carried me beneath the earth,
and went into hell. That’s the sad part.

Most people don’t know, but hell is real.
When I saw what’s going on,
and heard the gnashing of the teeth
and the screams of the damned and the doomed,
then I looked and there were some ministers there
with their whole congregations
.

They were gnashing their teeth on this minister,
and he couldn’t get away.
They said You told us you had the truth.
We followed you
.”

Sid: Was that minister suffering? It sounds like it.

Franklin: Oh my, was he going through it.

pdf transcript of entire program
Watch Video
Related: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way (The straight scoop)

(video) Shelley Lubben Former Porn Actress Finds Freedom in Christ — "I had to forgive everybody"

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okklnog7ebI]Shelley Lubben Former Porn Actress on 700 Club

Shelley Lubben, a former porn actress, shares the truth about porn on the 700 Club in 2006. To hear more shocking stories of ex porn stars visit her web site at www.shelleylubben.com

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Former Porn Actress Shelley Lubben: Porn is Not Glamorous and Destroys Lives — “I used to brag endlessly to fans and pornographers about how I loved making porn movies. I lied 100% of the time to 100% of the people”
(video) Ex Porn Star’s Amazing Story: “For eight years, I battled the Devil for my life with the Word. I’d fall … I fell a little bit less … and I started WALKING TALL, like a CHAMPION!!!”
(video)Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben’s FREEDOM Testimony: The Champion in You!!!
[ video ] Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben Speaks at Bakersfield Christian High School — “Do you know that you’re a CHAMPION?!”
Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben on The Howard Stern Show: Porn Stars are Demon Possessed!
Twelve Steps of Sex Addicts Anonymous involves getting right with those who’ve been hurt — so we can BE FREE! | I’m ADDING MORE STEPS.
[Lust “the poison that kills the soul” FREEDOM] My experience: How DEMONS DRIVE heterosexual and homosexual lust in ‘Christians’ — The bad news is that demons drive lust. The good news is that demons drive lust, because…
All of my Lust Freedom! posts. We can be free!!!
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way We must be free!!!

Ted Haggard: I'd still rather be the way I am now—broke, a man of disrepute—than have "that HORRIFIC INTERNAL STRUGGLE"

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from The Trials of Ted Haggard, HBO 2009

“I’d still rather be the way I am now, though,
and broke,
and a man of disrepute,

than the way I was,
and have that horrific internal struggle
that I had.”

– Ted Haggard

Related: Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?” Let’s be free — love!!!

(video) Ex Porn Star's Amazing Story: "For eight years, I battled the Devil for my life with the Word. I'd fall … I fell a little bit less … and I started WALKING TALL, like a CHAMPION!!!"

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

Hurt people hurt people.

“Jesus says, ‘come to Me all you who are weary and need rest. Learn from Me. My burden is light.'”

‘Shelley, you can do it. What does My Word say? Try again.’ I’d fall. ‘Get back up and try again, Shelley.’ I’d fall. ‘Get back up and try again.’ I’d fall, again. I fell a little bit less. I’d fall less. And I started walking TALL, like a CHAMPION!”

For those of you who are viewing pornography right now, are you contributing to the destruction of human lives—little girls who always just wanted Dad to love them?

“Confess your sins so you may be healed.”

He’s humbling us for GREATNESS. He wants to conform us into the image of His Son!”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ddPHfYDkDE]Ex Porn Star’s Amazing Story

Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben shares the truth about porn
and her amazing story in Anaheim California in 2008.

Links to video source:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus…
http://www.myspace.com/shelleylubben

“That’s how rebellious I was. My mother … never spanked me. See, I never had any discipline as a child. So by the time I’m a teenager, I’m the teenager from hell. … That’s why I have so much compassion for teenagers nowadays. When they act like that, I’m not mad at them. Where are the parents? Where are the fathers of this world? …

Well, the pimp became my new father. … I just wanted a hug growing up. I just wanted to feel special, and the pimp made me feel very special.”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNpYAwYudQo]

Her daughter, Tiffany is in the audience.

“How many times God saved this ‘blessed assurance’ [from physical death]? I can’t even tell ya. Probably hundreds. … I used to think I was invincible. I found out later on in recovery it wasn’t me who was invincible. It was Somebody who was saving me—and sustaining me. Because, if it wasn’t for Jesus Christ I’d be in hell right now. I came close to death many, many times.”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNxloAUHsPQ]

For those of you who are viewing pornography right now, are you contributing to the destruction of human lives—little girls who always just wanted Dad to love them?

“They are made for greater things than porn, and so are you.”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzaEAanfDbs]

When her husband-to-be (also in the audience) reached out to her with real love:
“He was a really nice guy. … I knew how black-hearted I was, and all the trauma. It was intense. It would hurt so bad that when someone got close to me I literally would have physical heart pain. ‘Oh…this guy’s showing me love. … Get out of here, get out of here, you’re bad for me, you’re bad.’ No, because you have that defense…. But the love…. He had Jesus in him.”

“That’s the big question in the sex industry… ‘where’s God?‘”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AlnNcr6iN0]

Shelley went to a church:
“[The pastor] just looked at me out of all the people and just said: ‘Do you know there’s a champion inside of you?’ You have to understand I hated myself, and this guy just spoke life in me!

“…either God’s going to heal me or I’m going to die. And for eight years, I battled the Devil for my life with the Word. … I’m totally healed from all the effects of the sex industry. I had horrible nightmares, constantly…. I stood on that Word until it became reality for me. I said, ‘no, this is what God says about me! … ‘You’re more than a conqueror through Christ! You can do all things through Christ!‘”

Recovery…, ‘I’m no good at it. It’s really hard. I can’t do it.’ And God would say, ‘Shelley, you can do it. What does My Word say? Try again.’ I’d fall. ‘Get back up and try again, Shelley.’ I’d fall. ‘Get back up and try again.’ I’d fall, again. I fell a little bit less. I’d fall less. And I started walking tall, like a CHAMPION!

“Jesus says, ‘come to Me all you who are weary and need rest. Learn from Me. My burden is light.'”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jSaEnX0SY]

“He’s everything to me. He helps me. He gives me power, boldness, to make me a bold witness — fills me with His Spirit!

“…Daddy needs to keep me humble. … He’s humbling us for greatness. He wants to conform us into the image of His Son.”

I don’t care what sin you’ve done. … The Word says: ‘confess your sins so you may be healed.’ ‘Pray for one another that you may be healed.'”

Christ died to give you freedom. … He’s not here to beat you up. … In Galatians, it says, ‘you who are spiritual, gently restore the one who’s caught up in their trespasses.’ And it better be gentle! The Lord is the ‘Lord of gentleness.'”

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ShelleyLubben.com
Former Porn Actress Shelley Lubben: Porn is Not Glamorous and Destroys Lives — “I used to brag endlessly to fans and pornographers about how I loved making porn movies. I lied 100% of the time to 100% of the people”
(video)Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben’s FREEDOM Testimony: The Champion in You!!!
(video) Shelley Lubben Former Porn Actress Finds Freedom in Christ — “I had to forgive everybody”
[ video ] Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben Speaks at Bakersfield Christian High School — “Do you know that you’re a CHAMPION?!”
Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben on The Howard Stern Show: Porn Stars are Demon Possessed!
Twelve Steps of Sex Addicts Anonymous involves getting right with those who’ve been hurt — so we can BE FREE! | I’m ADDING MORE STEPS.
(video) Freud, Zionism and Sexual Revolution: Resentment against Christ and Gentiles is a motivating factor in promoting sexual degeneration and pornography
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All of my Lust Freedom! posts. We can be free!!!
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way We must be free!!!

(video) Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben's FREEDOM Testimony: The Champion in You!!!

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

“Do you know that there’s a champion in you?”

“It’s [speaking about this in front of all of you] not easy for me to do. But I have such a love for the men, which is a miracle. Cause I used to hate them, and now I absolutely adore all of you. You’re my brothers. I want to see you happy. I want to see you have what me and Garrett have….”

[googlevideo=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3426365514467927561]

Shelley Lubben gives her remarkable testimony. Visit the myspace: http://www.myspace.com/shelleylubben Download a high resolution version of this file at: http://www.shelleylubben.com/video/ShelleyandMensSummit2.wmv

They abuse us, and we abuse them back.”

Pastors are getting knocked out left and right because of porn addiction.”

“‘Shelley, I only lift the humble.’ And I know right now there are men in this room who are struggling with pornography. Because stats say 50% of ‘Christian’ men are struggling.”

Husbands, love your wives,
even as Christ also loved the church,
and gave himself for it
.

Eph. 5:25

Related:

ShelleyLubben.com

(video) Ex Porn Star Tells the Hardcore Truth About Porn

Former Porn Actress Shelley Lubben: Porn is Not Glamorous and Destroys Lives — “I used to brag endlessly to fans and pornographers about how I loved making porn movies. I lied 100% of the time to 100% of the people”
(video) Ex Porn Star’s Amazing Story: “For eight years, I battled the Devil for my life with the Word. I’d fall … I fell a little bit less … and I started WALKING TALL, like a CHAMPION!!!”
(video) Shelley Lubben Former Porn Actress Finds Freedom in Christ — “I had to forgive everybody”
[ video ] Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben Speaks at Bakersfield Christian High School — “Do you know that you’re a CHAMPION?!”
Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben on The Howard Stern Show: Porn Stars are Demon Possessed!
Twelve Steps of Sex Addicts Anonymous involves getting right with those who’ve been hurt — so we can BE FREE! | I’m ADDING MORE STEPS.
[Lust “the poison that kills the soul” FREEDOM] My experience: How DEMONS DRIVE heterosexual and homosexual lust in ‘Christians’ — The bad news is that demons drive lust. The good news is that demons drive lust, because…
All of my Lust Freedom! posts. We can be free!!!
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way We must be free!!!

(video) Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben tells the hardcore truth about porn in church

[googlevideo=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9142414706885959344]

Shelley Lubben gives her testimony in Atlanta.

http://www.shelleylubben.com
http://www.myspace.com/shelleylubben

Related:
ShelleyLubben.com
Former Porn Actress Shelley Lubben: Porn is Not Glamorous and Destroys Lives — “I used to brag endlessly to fans and pornographers about how I loved making porn movies. I lied 100% of the time to 100% of the people”
(video) Ex Porn Star’s Amazing Story: “For eight years, I battled the Devil for my life with the Word. I’d fall … I fell a little bit less … and I started WALKING TALL, like a CHAMPION!!!”
(video)Ex Porn Star Shelley Lubben’s FREEDOM Testimony: The Champion in You!!!
(video) Shelley Lubben Former Porn Actress Finds Freedom in Christ — “I had to forgive everybody”
Twelve Steps of Sex Addicts Anonymous involves getting right with those who’ve been hurt — so we can BE FREE! | I’m ADDING MORE STEPS.
All of my Lust Freedom! posts. We can be free!!!
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way We must be free!!!

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