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Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from The Alex Jones Show, 2/5/09

“He has spent 30 years researching the causes
for America’s spiritual and moral decline.”

stanmonteith

Dr. Stanley Monteith — Radio Liberty
The story behind the story;
the news behind the news
Alex Jones:

“What’s happening, in your expert analysis, with the economy right now, with their attack program, and why are they [the globalists] now emerging and announcing everything we’ve warned people about for decades? What does it mean that they’re now going public?

Dr. Stanley Monteith:

“Well, I think that they feel that the American people, their minds are so controlled, they really will not be able to connect the dots. But your job and my job is to help them connect the dots.

“Their ultimate goal is a one-world government, a one-world economic system with a one-world currency,

“BUT, what everybody’s missed is the one-world religion. And this is really what it’s all about. Because there are powerful, spiritual forces at work behind this whole movement for a one-world government.

Related: Dr. Stan’s Archived Newsletters, Audio and Video at Radio Liberty

Chuck Baldwin: Christians Use [Bible] Prophecy To Excuse Laziness

By Jeff Fenske

On February 3, 2009

In 'Church' is the Cause of the Crash, Freedom

From: News with Views

Chuck Baldwin is Founder-Pastor of Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida.

In response to my two previous columns regarding the current development of a devilish New World Order [A Very Real New World Order and More on the New World Order], many professing Christians wrote me with comments to the effect that we should not be concerned about whatever global tyranny may be developing, because “it’s all a part of God’s plan,” or “Jesus is coming soon,” and similar statements. I, too, believe in the imminent return of Jesus Christ to earth. But, then again, so did Christians from every generation over the last two millennia. In fact, the Apostle Paul was looking for the return of Christ while he lived (Philippians 3:20). But does anticipation of Christ’s Second Coming excuse personal neglect, indifference, and downright laziness? Of course not. …

It is extremely difficult for me to reconcile the apathy and slave-like mentality that seems to permeate modern Christendom (in America) with both our own heritage and the very Word of God. For example, the Apostle Paul is very clear when he writes that a Christian must never “do evil, that good may come” (Romans 3:8). Yet, that is exactly what many, if not most, Christians are doing today. [And Satan’s New World Order agenda is NOT God’s will. Because the Bible predicts it will happen doesn’t mean God wants it to – ed.]

When confronted with an obvious evil (a burgeoning tyrannical New World Order, not to mention a number of lesser evils), modern Christians will shrug and glibly say, “It’s God’s will; we must not oppose it,” or words to that effect. This attitude says, “I will tolerate or even condone evil in order to hasten Christ’s return.”

In the first place, no one knows when Christ will return…. …only God knows….

Millions of Christians across America are trying to play God. They talk as if they know when Christ will come. It’s actually worse than that. They have the attitude that they have no personal responsibility to defend freedom and resist despotism. They seem to look at God as some kind of glorified fireman, who is obligated to rush in at the last minute to rescue them from a burning fire–a fire that they helped ignite, or at least, refused to put out themselves when they had the opportunity to do so. It’s the old, “God would not let that happen in America” syndrome.

How arrogant can we be? Ask believers from despotic regimes around the world what they think about God letting tribulation come, and they will quickly tell you, “We are already in tribulation.” Are Christians in the United States really that arrogant as to believe that God loves them more than He loves believers in other countries? If not, can we not see that if believers around the world have suffered (and still suffer) the heavy hand of tyranny and oppression, it is certainly possible for tyranny and oppression to come to our land? The fact is, the only reason that Christians in America have not (for the most part) suffered tyranny and oppression is because of the hard work and sacrifice of our forefathers. We are simply enjoying the fruit of their labor.

In the second place, how do we know what God would do, if we only had the backbone to do our duty? How do we know that God would not give America “a new birth of freedom” for our children and grandchildren, if we only had the courage and fortitude to oppose the evil being thrust upon us by these would-be tyrants? America is only the “land of the free,” because it was the “home of the brave.” Take away the latter and we lose the former. And that is exactly what is currently happening.

In the third place, Christians have a moral imperative to resist evil, even if their efforts are fruitless. We are not responsible for outcome, only effort. Believers throughout history acted on principle, leaving the results with God. (Read Hebrews chapter 11.) Some were delivered; some were not. That did not matter. What mattered was doing one’s duty. …

I believe the real reason why so many professing Christians are so apathetic and indifferent to what is happening has nothing to do with the teachings of Scripture, Bible doctrine, eschatology, or anything of the like. It has everything to do with old-fashioned laziness. Today’s average Christian just flat does not want to be bothered. He has a comfortable house, an easy chair, television, and a set of golf clubs in the closet. He takes two or three weeks’ vacation every year, goes to church on Sunday (a church that does not intrude on his comfort zone, of course), pays taxes, and votes for his favorite “pro-life” Republican candidate every two years, and assumes that he is a “good” Christian and “patriotic” American. He is neither!

A real Christian patriot would never allow his country to be taken over by a gaggle of elitist goons bent on stealing his liberties–including his religious liberties–without doing everything in his power to prevent it. A real Christian patriot is active, alert, engaged, zealous, and committed to preserving liberty. …

Tell me again that “there is nothing we can do about it,” or “it’s God’s will,” or “Jesus is coming soon.” Better yet, tell it again to the suffering Christians around the world; tell it again to our Christian forebears; tell it again to your children and grandchildren who are going to inherit a land of tyranny and oppression, all because you were too lazy to resist.

I know unbelievers who have more character and determination about preserving liberty than many who call themselves Christians. And I have a ton more respect for them, too. Our Lord told us, “For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required” (Luke 12:48). Yes, Christians in America have been given the best of both worlds, and many do not even appreciate it enough to see to it that their own children–their own flesh and blood–will live to enjoy the same blessings. They are pathetic!

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What is Real Revival?

By Jeff Fenske

On January 28, 2009

In Andrew Strom, Personal, Real History, Revival

Note: I strongly agree with Andrew Strom in most things. I really like his teaching. He really has a heart for God! But I think this is one of the few areas we would somewhat differ. Andrew talks about “genuine, unspeakable joy” happening after repentance, but I’ve seen God give people joy from which it is much easier to repent.
So many people have been hurt, today, that many don’t really know that God really, really loves them. They don’t know that they can totally trust God. Who is to say that joy can’t be up-front, that God can’t fill people with joy while the people are getting re-aquainted, learning to know and trust God again as Abba Father?
I know for a fact that it is often the Holy Spirit that is moving when people shake and even laugh. I’ve experienced it myself, and the more I forgave, the more I shook and laughed. It was more thrilling than riding a roller coaster, by far! And I’ve had many encounters since, sometimes daily (especially lately); though, not of this magnitude. I’ll explain later.
Shaking and laughing isn’t the problem. Doctrine is the problem. False doctrine, doctrines of demons are the problem. When things get weird at many of the so-called revival meetings, the problem stems from a lack of holiness and purity that plagues ‘Christianity,’ today. Without real repentance, the demons stay, and things can get really weird. ‘Christians’ are taught that they’ll get to heaven almost no matter what—that it’s hard to lose one’s salvation—and some even teach that it’s impossible, “once saved, always saved.”
Without holiness, no one will see God. God wants to help us get right with Him and each other. We should let Him do whatever He wants, but we must realize that our salvation is at stake if we don’t get right and learn to stay right with Him and each other. Our salvation is on the line! This isn’t a game. This is dead serious. We need to get right with Him and each other at all costs!
This is an example of a real revival, that I believe can soon happen in our midst: Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?” And this time it can last! But it’s up to us.
Real revival is ONE happening — Jesus’ heart-cry for us to be truly being one with each other in Him!
May we be ONE, this year!!!!!!!
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From: TRUE & FALSE REVIVAL: An Insider’s Warning, by Andrew Strom – Chapter 3 excerpt

WHAT IS REAL REVIVAL?

As someone who has been studying and writing on Revival history for many years, I’m sure you can understand why I have often been saddened by the corruption of the term “Revival” – and what it actually means. This book is all about “True and False Revival”, so I guess it is high time that we look at the elements of TRUE Revival that have been seen again and again down the centuries.

Today, so few Christians seem to be aware of what really happens when God comes down (for that is what true Revival is – “GOD COMING DOWN”). When Moses came down from the mountain, he carried the holy presence and glory of God with him. The people wanted to run and hide! That is what true Revival has always been like. It is an invasion of the awesome holy presence of God – which is why the pattern of what happens in Revivals often repeats itself. Men’s hearts are essentially the same in each generation – so God’s holy presence has the same effect. Some get convicted, some want to run and hide, many cry loudly in repentance. Over and over, from the Book of Acts until now – we see the same things. And in a lot of ways, that makes it easier to discern the counterfeit from the real thing.

I am talking now about thousands of years of Revivals – where God has convicted men and women in the same way. Some people tell me, “Oh, it is going to be different this time.” Yes, there will always be something “new” in each Revival, but essentially God deals with the hearts of men in a similar way each time. I really hate it when people call the latest froth-and-bubble fad that is sweeping through the church ‘Revival’. …

As one writer commented, Revival is “not the top blowing off, but rather the bottom falling out.” And as Frank Bartleman (of the “Azusa Street‟ Revival) wrote: “I received from God early in 1905 the following keynote to revival: ‘The depth of revival will be determined exactly by the DEPTH OF THE SPIRIT OF REPENTANCE.’ And this will obtain for all people, at all times.” Anyone who has studied Revival history will say a big ‘Amen’ to Bartleman’s words here.

It is not uncommon, in real Revivals, for people to be so stricken with conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit that they are literally unable to do anything except lie face-down and cry out to God for mercy, in the greatest distress, until assured by Him that they have received His forgiveness. (Usually, especially in the early stages of Revival, these will be CHRISTIANS who have been harboring sin of some kind in their lives). Sometimes they may even feel the need to confess their sin publicly before forgiveness and cleansing can take place. We must never forget that Revival is firstly aimed at the Christians. As history clearly shows, it is a flood of deep cleansing, repentance and empowering aimed at “reviving” God’s people, so that they can bring in a mighty harvest. The following is a description of some of the Revival prayer meetings that took place in the Welsh Revival of 1858-59 (typical of many Revivals): “It was in its terrors that the eternal became a reality to them first. They seemed plunged into depths of godly sorrow… For some weeks it was the voice of weeping and the sound of mourning that was heard in the meetings. The house was often so full of the divine presence that ungodly men trembled terror-stricken; and at the close, sometimes they fled as from some impending peril…”

One eyewitness said of the famous 1904 Welsh Revival that it was not the eloquence of Evan Roberts that broke men down, but his tears. “He would break down, crying bitterly for God to bend them, in an agony of prayer, the tears coursing down his cheeks, with his whole frame writhing. Strong men would break down and cry like children… a sound of weeping and wailing would fill the air.” …

In this kind of genuine outpouring of the Holy Spirit, the tangible presence of God is very real. Frank Bartleman described one of the meetings during the Azusa Street Revival of 1906 as follows: “God came so wonderfully near us the very atmosphere of Heaven seemed to surround us. Such a divine ‘weight of glory’ was upon us we could only lie on our faces. For a long time we could hardly remain seated even. All would be on their faces on the floor, sometimes during the whole service. I was seldom able to keep from lying full length on the floor on my face.”

This overwhelming sense of being in the awesome presence, the “shekinah glory” of a holy God, brings agonizing conviction of sin to those whose hearts are not right with Him, but also great rejoicing and true joy to the ones who know they have been washed clean. These extremes of great sorrow over sin, followed by genuine ‘joy unspeakable’, often bring accusations of emotionalism and hysteria from those who oppose the Revival. However, it has been found that deep and genuine moves of God that begin with deep conviction, and result in deep joy, have always produced sound and lasting fruit wherever they have occurred.

True & False Revival: An Insider’s Warning, by Andrew Strom is available at Amazon
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Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit?

The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s 1909 prophecy of the shekinah glory returning to the church in 100 years: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. …the fear of God was on the community, and no one dared join them. But they were highly esteemed. Why did no one dare join them?”
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

Strand: Most 'Christians' James-3 Curse & Matthew-5 Lust

By Jeff Fenske

On January 25, 2009

In James-3 Cursing People, Lust Freedom!, Who Goes to Heaven

From: Be Ye Therefore Perfect, Matthew 5:48 — Thirty-eight Sermonettes on The Same Theme: Sin, Salvation and Righteousness, by Richard H. Strand. Available here, or also possibly again here.

If saying “Thou fool!” puts people in danger of hell fire, which Jesus said (Matt. 5:22), what about your other “little” sins?

What about “looking on a woman (or a picture of a woman or man) to lust after her?” (Matt. 5:28) Christ calls that adultery and God made that one of his basic ten “shalt nots.” (See Exodus 20, whole chapter.)

Are you guilty of such things as cursing people or mental adultery after you became a Christian? Most of us are.

We think we cannot help it, but we can if we have been born again.

"Blessed Subtractions" = Pastors 'Praying' People Out of Their Churches

By Jeff Fenske

On January 25, 2009

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, James-3 Cursing People

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from Radio Liberty broadcast: March 13, 2005—”Dr. Robert Klenk – Apostate Church”
The topic is what the church growth movement is doing to the church, and what happens when a member stands up to it. See: What’s Wrong with the 21st Century Church? By Dr. Robert Klenk

Caller: If you are in a particular denomination and you may see some problems, should you jump out and look for one that’s more perfect, or should you stay and grow where you’re planted?

Dr. Kenk: There’s not a Scripture for staying in a church that has apostate teaching. Always, the Scripture says mark those who cause divisions contrary to the doctrine which we have left you, and separate yourselves from them. Come out from among them. …

Dr. Stanley Monteith: But, of course, the other thing is, if you are a trouble-maker, and you’re speaking out against what’s going on, they will get rid of you, won’t they?

Dr. Klenk: Absolutely, and Rick Warren says, when you set the vision you decide who leaves. So when you are setting the vision for the church, the pastor is determining who’s coming and who’s going. Absolutely, and he also endorses another book, called “Transitioning: Leading the Church Through Change.” And in that book, they describe that you have three choices with the power brokers. They say: either get them on board; fight them; or run them off.

He also talks about blessed subtractions. And I’ve actually even heard of a pastor in a church growth church here in southern California who told his congregation that he was praying people out of his church. He was praying that the Lord would take them out, because they weren’t going along with the process.

'Pastor': You can pray AGAINST people. "It's well worth it!" – Vs – God: "Bless and don't curse," "This wisdom is…DEMONIC," "Overcome evil with good" "that you may be children of your Father"

By Jeff Fenske

On January 25, 2009

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, James-3 Cursing People, No Enemy, Power OVER or under

Pastor Curses > Death Occurs > Claims ‘Answered Prayer’
From: The Last Trumpet Newsletter, April 1998, by David J. Meyer

I have been recently threatened by relatives of the late Anton LeVey, the now dead high priest of Satan, who founded the Church of Satan and wrote the “Satanic Bible.” Anton LeVey died while we were doing spiritual battle in Salem, Massachusetts, last Halloween. For those who have not heard this entire story, please request the December, 1997, issue of the Last Trumpet [read it here, ed.]. In that issue, I also tell of the prayer meeting the next day, in which we prayed for either the salvation or destruction of the leaders of Illuminism. The very next day, Edmund de Rothschild, head of the Illuminati itself, died! We take prayer very seriously. James 4:12 reminds us that there is one lawgiver, who is able both to save and to destroy. God does both, and we commend all judgement into His hands [Really? ‘Turn or burn’ the only options? God doesn’t make people ‘turn.’ Nor does He answer ‘burn’ prayers (curses)—the opposite of Romans 12 (see below)—”Bless and don’t curse.” – ed.]. He hears our prayers and the cry of our hearts but always does his own will.

I want to encourage every reader to get into the battle against the enemy. The docile remnant will see the power of God through prayer and will join in the battle. Souls will be saved as a result of our Saviour working through his people. We have asked specifically in prayer for whorehouses and strip joints to be driven out, and within weeks they closed down. I specifically asked the Lord to send the judgement of Sodom on the Hotel Washington in Madison, Wisconsin, because it was completely controlled by homosexuals. No one knew I prayed against it as I drove past it, but a few weeks later, it burned to the ground from a fire of unknown origin. There was no loss of life. The examples of answered prayer are far too numerous to mention, but one more….

You can do it too! It is not hard to get answers to prayer, but it is hard to get people to pray. It is hard work but well worth it!

Please don’t. Losing one’s salvation is not worth it. See: Who-Goes-to-Heaven-Scriptures — Narrow is the Way. This isn’t prayer, it’s witchcraft in Jesus’ name. It’s James-3 cursing from the dark side: “this wisdom is…demonic” (James 3:15).

Martin Luther James-3 Cursed? "The maladies I suffer are not natural, but Devil's spells"

By Jeff Fenske

On January 25, 2009

In Demons in Christians?, Healing, James-3 Cursing People

Quotes from John Mark Ministries
Luther knew his illnesses weren’t natural, but demonically caused:

“Our bodies are always exposed to Satan. The maladies I suffer are not natural, but Devil’s spells.”

Martin Luther said this about doctors who treat demonically caused illnesses as though they are natural:

“Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads….”

The Devil, an expert reverse-physician:

“The Devil, it is true, is not exactly a doctor who has taken degrees, but he is very learned, very expert for all that. He has not been carrying on his business during thousands of years for nothing….”

Paul Meier: "The most deceitful thing in God’s universe is our own hearts"

By Jeff Fenske

On January 25, 2009

In Demons in Christians?, heart, soul, mind, gut?, James-3 Cursing People, Lying, They know not what they do?

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from: “Enjoying Everyday,” 2/27/7
Counselor Paul Meier meierclinics.com explains how most ‘Christians’ have deceived hearts, and often aren’t even aware of what they are doing, which would in part explain why some ‘Christians’ James-3 curse people, unaware.
The host asks:

“Why is it so important to be honest about the part we may have played in troubled or failed relationships?

Paul Meier responds:

“Let me start with Jeremiah 17:9. Jeremiah the prophet said that our hearts…are deceived more than anything in the universe. The most deceitful thing in God’s universe is our own hearts.

So 80% of our thoughts, feelings and motives, we’re not even aware of.

“Then Matthew 7:3-5 says: so we’re blind to our faults, and we don’t admit them to ourselves or anybody else.

Jer. 17:9 (KJVS) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Matt. 7:3 (WEB) Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but don’t consider the beam that is in your own eye?

Dennis Cramer: "Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable"

By Jeff Fenske

On January 25, 2009

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Forgive & Be FREE, James-3 Cursing People

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the Cornerstone Television program, Getting Together, probably in the late ’90s. Possibly still available as an audio tape—program #80416.

Dennis Cramer, author of Breaking Christian Curses, said this about about the current James-3 cursing epidemic:

I’ve learned from experience that most Christians curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication, because they’re proud, arrogant. They’ve known some measure of success, and they may even be skilled in the things of God.

In fact, that’s why sometimes Christian leaders are even more vulnerable to being able to launch curses—because they’ve been entrusted with spiritual skills, you see. And if we don’t use those spiritual skills in a constructive manner, if we use them in a destructive manner, like the disciples tried to, then, of course, we as leaders are at a greater risk.

So I have found that most Christians, based on a self righteous mentality, a proud spirit, and unbrokenness in their lives, believe that they’re so important to God that they can retaliate. And they use those spiritual weapons that were supposed to be used on the Devil against other Christians.

………………

The host asked:

What was your response to these people, the people that placed this curse over you? … What’s the correct response?

Dennis Cramer answered:

What my response was and the correct response weren’t the same, at first.

I did everything wrong. I was bitter; I was angry; I was frustrated; I was upset; I was hurt; I lashed back; I broke every rule in the Book.

Was I the victim, absolutely? But was I responsible for my sinful behavior, absolutely. I was wrong. I made every mistake possible. But eventually, God said, now, the real key to your release is to forgive them. And that’s what really did more for me than anything else—more than rebuking, and using the name of Jesus, and quoting scriptures, and having other people pray with me.

As I forgave, and as I loved—and listen to me: as I began to pray for them—man, I was completely freed!

That was the biggest weapon of my warfare. I began to pray for and bless those that cursed me. And that, more than anything else, set me free.

I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues.

Can a Christian Have a Demon? Absolutely! Most Have Many!

[WordPOWER!] James – Demons WITHIN drive ‘Christians’ to curse people. “If you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition IN YOUR HEART” you’re probably a James-3 curser. If so, “don’t lie against the truth.” Instead, be a PEACEMAKER, “for they shall be called children of God” – Jesus

‘Pastor’: You can pray AGAINST people. “It’s well worth it!” – Vs – God: “Bless and don’t curse,” “This wisdom is…DEMONIC,” “Overcome evil with good” “that you may be children of your Father”

“Breaking Christian Curses: Finding Freedom from Destructive Prayers” by Dennis Cramer
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way (Can James-3 cursers go to heaven?)

WordPOWER: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

WordPOWER: The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

All of my ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts at ONEcanhappen

All of my People Cursing People posts at ToBeFree

"Breaking Christian Curses: Finding Freedom from Destructive Prayers" by Dennis Cramer

By Jeff Fenske

On January 25, 2009

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, James-3 Cursing People

This is an important book, mainly because hardly anyone is addressing this vitally important subject which I believe is an epidemic in America, and these, what I call “James-3 curses” are affecting many in often devastating ways.

Dennis won’t go this far in the book, but I have found that most people are being cursed in one way or another, and many “Christians” (especially “Christian” leaders, as Dennis points out) are doing the cursing, as well as non-believers.

This is a terrible problem that desperately needs to be addressed, not just because we see the affects in people’s lives, but because the Bible warns against this in multiple places. And anyone who hates his brother does not have eternal life abiding in Him. Cursing others is a salvation issue; though, Dennis doesn’t discuss this.

Some “Christians” wish evil on people intentionally, knowingly, thinking they have the right. Others who wish evil on people don’t understand their own hearts, where evil can reside if we give the demons a place through willful sinning, and these people can sometimes curse others without even realizing it. Words don’t need to be spoken. It’s the thought that counts.

“Breaking Christian Curses” (formerly released as “Charismatic Curses”) just barely scratches the surface, but I am thankful for Dennis’ boldness to step out with such a vitally needed book on this under-appreciated subject. More work needs to be done, and if you know of other books that address this subject, please let me know.

. . .

From: Dennis Cramer

“Breaking Christian Curses: Finding Freedom from Destructive Prayers,” by Dennis Cramer

* Is everything you do a spiritual struggle?

* Does a dark spiritual cloud seem to constantly hang over your life?

* Are you trapped by feelings of abandonment and betrayal?

* Does severe hopelessness and chronic loneliness keep you paralyzed in debilitating despair?

* Are you immobilized by self-doubt and a persistent sense of overwhelming inferiority?

You may actually be cursed! Don’t worry. You are not alone.

In this startling, factual, real-life expose, Dennis Cramer details his 13-year battle with a “christian” curse and how God not only miraculously exposed the source of the curse, but dramatically delivered him from its devastating effects. God will do the same for you!

Could you be a victim of spiritual abuse? It’s time to find out. Your enemy might not be a witch or warlock! It could be a misguided believer!

Could other Christians have pronounced failure and defeat over your life?

In order to bring to light this terrible darkness, Dennis takes you on a journey into the evil world of “christian” witchcraft, “christian” cannibalism and “christian” curses – where you will not only be biblically informed, but spiritually set free! Get your personal copy today!

Insightful articulate accurate according to the Word, this book revealed to me how easily one believer can curse another even without being aware of it. Although a believer probably would never use the word curse and deliberately address another, by our not paying attention to what we do and say, we can effectively curse another. Interestingly, Scripture addresses this issue and forbids us to do it. You will gain much insight about the effects of a curse and what to do to deal with the issue and be set free to live under the blessing.

Dennis sells the book for just $10

Search Inside this Book at Amazon.com

All of my ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts at ONEcanhappen

All of my People Cursing People posts at ToBeFree

[WordPOWER!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: "You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver" (Hell?)

By Jeff Fenske

On January 24, 2009

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Hearing God's Voice, James-3 Cursing People, Who Goes to Heaven, WordPOWER

Praise God for giving us His Holy Spirit, Who will “lead us into all truth”—if we listen carefully, wanting to hear His “still, small voice.”

On occasion, while thinking of whatever, I’ll softly hear a chapter and a verse, or just a chapter, and I almost always find the text significant.

‘Psalm 50’ is one of those quiet promptings that I’ve heard a number of times, years ago, and kept looking it up each time. I’m still learning from it.

Two things struck me as significant each time I read it. The first related to the people who consider themselves children of God and who James-3 curse other people. I knew this was happening to me every day. Psalm 50 helped me understand that some of these James-3 cursers actually think God condones their behavior. But the reality is that if they don’t repent before they die, they’ll end up in a place of extreme torment from which no one will be able to deliver them. During the funeral, the pastor will probably say they are in heaven, but in reality, they’re being torn to pieces (v. 22), or something even worse!

I had a prophecy for a pastor who really had an evil part to his heart (many do in this evil age). The word was that the flames would be neck high if he didn’t repent and do what God said.

Psalm 50 is part of the old covenant, where God winked at behavior in comparison to what He holds us accountable for now, because now we know better; we have the Counselor, the Holy Spirit to “lead us into all truth!” Paul said in Acts 17:30:

“And the times of this ignorance (old covenant) God winked at; but now (new covenant) commandeth all men every where to repent.”

Jesus also taught that the new covenant is far stricter than the old saying in the sermons of the mount, Mt. 5:

21 “You have heard that it was said to the ancient ones, ‘You shall not murder;’ and ‘Whoever shall murder shall be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I tell you, that everyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment…; and whoever shall say, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of the fire of Gehenna.

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’ 28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her…. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna.

And even though Psalm 50 is old covenant, when God “winked at” sin in comparison to now, people who thought they were covered with the blood were actually headed for eternal torment simply for saying deceitful and slanderous things!
See for yourself:

Smith Wigglesworth: "With a CONSTANT FILLING, You Will SPEAK In TONGUES Morning, Noon and Night"

By Jeff Fenske

On January 19, 2009

In Filled with the HOLY Spirit, FreedomQuotes, Pray Perfectly in Tongues!

I can never estimate what the Baptism of the Holy Ghost has been to me these past fifteen years. It seems that every year has had three years packed into it, so that I have had forty-five years of happy service since 1907. And it is getting better all the time.

It is a luxury to be filled with the Spirit, and at the same time it is a divine command for us, not to be filled with wine wherein is excess, but to be filled with the Spirit.

No Pentecostal person ought to get out of bed without being lost in the Spirit and speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. No one should come into the door of an assembly without speaking in tongues or having a psalm, or a note of praise. We emphasize that at the incoming of the Spirit He should so fill us that the last member in the body is yielded to Him, and that no one is baptized in the Spirit without speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance; and I maintain that, with a constant filling, you will speak in tongues morning, noon and night. As you live in the Spirit, when you walk down the steps of the house where you live, the devil will have to go before you. You will be more than a conqueror over the devil.

I see everything a failure except that which is done in the Spirit. But as you live in the Spirit, you move, act, eat, drink, and do everything to the glory of God.

Our message is always this, “Be filled with the Spirit. This is God’s place for you, and it is as far above the natural life as the heavens are above the earth. Yield yourselves for God to fill.

– Smith Wigglesworth

[Ever Increasing Faith, p. 96-7]

Smith Wigglesworth: "Stephen…manifested the very same compassion for his enemies that Jesus did"

By Jeff Fenske

On January 19, 2009

In Forgive & Be FREE, FreedomQuotes, No Enemy

“Stephen cried out, ‘Lord, lay not this sin to their charge.’ As he was full of the Holy Spirit he was full of love, and he manifested the very same compassion for his enemies that Jesus did on Calvary.”

– Smith Wigglesworth

[Ever Increasing Faith, p. 109]

CORRIE TEN BOOM: PREPARED For The COMING TRIBULATION — “Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be STRONG ENOUGH TO BE A MARTYR for Jesus Christ.” My father said, “OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN KNOWS when you will need the strength…. HE WILL SUPPLY ALL YOU NEED – JUST IN TIME.“

By Jeff Fenske

On January 16, 2009

In Escape Persecution?, Filled with the HOLY Spirit

[Comment #5 suggests that Corrie didn’t write this letter. We do know for sure that Corrie did write portions of this elsewhere (including the quote I start this post with), and it does seem to be consistent with her thought. If anyone has further insight, please let me know.]
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When I was a little girl…, I went to my father and said, “Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a martyr for Jesus Christ.” “Tell me,” said Father, “When you take a train trip to Amsterdam, when do I give you the money for the ticket? Three weeks before?”

“No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train.” “That is right,” my father said, “and so it is with God’s strength. Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ. He will supply all you need – just in time.“

………………………….

From: Revival School (Andrew Strom)

ESCAPE TRIBULATION? -WRONG! -Corrie Ten Boom.

Miss Corrie Ten Boom was a Dutch survivor of the Nazi Concentration Camps, and a lifelong missionary. Corrie was a believer in facing tribulation. She was one of the many people who were persecuted in concentration camps during the World War II. Her family was murdered before her eyes, but though her life was threatened, God led her through that terrible time. She lived to testify all over the world of how God brought her out of that time of trouble. In the worst days in the concentration camp she and her sister Betsy discovered that “there is no pit so deep that the Presence of God is not there with us”. In an interview titled “Prepared for the Coming Tribulation”, Miss Corrie Ten Boom held very definite view concerning the rapture. In the following message she shared a plea for the saints to prepare themselves for the possibility that at some point their faith may be tested. It serves today as a timely warning to us in the comfortable and complacent western church as we approach the threshold of the end-time drama.

Here is her exhortation to us from a letter she wrote in 1974:

______________

“The world is deathly ill. It is dying. The Great Physician has already signed the death certificate. Yet there is still a great work for Christians to do. They are to be streams of living water, channels of mercy to those who are still in the world. It is possible for them to do this because they are overcomers.

Christians are ambassadors for Christ. They are representatives from Heaven to this dying world. And because of our presence here, things will change.

My sister, Betsy, and I were in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensbruck because we committed the crime of loving Jews. Seven hundred of us from Holland, France, Russia, Poland and Belgium were herded into a room built for two hundred. As far as I knew, Betsy and I were the only two representatives of Heaven in that room.

We may have been the Lord’s only representatives in that place of hatred, yet because of our presence there, things changed. Jesus said, “In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” We too, are to be overcomers – bringing the light of Jesus into a world filled with darkness and hate.

Sometimes I get frightened as I read the Bible, and as I look in this world and see all of the tribulation and persecution promised by the Bible coming true. Now I can tell you, though, if you too are afraid, that I have just read the last pages. I can now come to shouting “Hallelujah! Hallelujah!” for I have found where it is written that Jesus said, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be His God, and he shall be My son.” This is the future and hope of this world. Not that the world will survive – but that we shall be overcomers in the midst of a dying world.

Andrew Strom: Love People Please!

By Jeff Fenske

On January 15, 2009

In Andrew Strom

From: Revival School

When I was a young Christian I was a total zealot. There is nothing wrong with that, but sadly I was often a zealot without wisdom – and also WITHOUT LOVE. I cared for “truth” more than I cared for people, and I did not even notice that I was often using Truth as a sword to crush people with, rather than set them free.

A lot of young zealous Christians are like that – but I was particularly bad because I had a ‘prophetic’-type personality – very intense, very black and white. I would walk into a room full of Christians and start an argument at the drop of a hat. I was not afraid to “blast” anyone. Truth was king – the most important thing – and that was all I cared about. This was not just an “occasional” problem with me – this was the way I lived and breathed. Total, all-out zealotry.

I do not have this approach to life any more – though I still care deeply about truth. (-For that is the way God made me). Sometimes I will still debate things with people – though very rarely.

Over the years God changed me utterly. In fact, to change my hardened heart He had to break me and break me and break me some more. And each time He did so, a little bit of LOVE got in. I’m sure He is still doing so today.

I started to realize that from God’s point of view, the most precious thing in all the earth is PEOPLE. We can see this in the most famous verse in the Bible- “For God SO LOVED the world….” There it is – He so LOVES PEOPLE. He sent His son to die for PEOPLE. That is what it is all about.

There is an old Maori saying from New Zealand, which I have to love- “The most valuable thing in all the world is PEOPLE, it is PEOPLE, it is PEOPLE.”

And yet to me in those early years, it was not “people” that I deeply cared about at all. The only thing I deeply valued was the ‘Truth’ that I was trying to put across that day.

[Catholic TV] John Calvin: "Once Saved, Always Saved?" – Or – Jesus Christ: "If You Conquer, I Will Not Blot Your Name Out of the Book of Life."

By Jeff Fenske

On January 12, 2009

In Calvin Didn't Get It, Doctrines Demystified, Who Goes to Heaven

Michael quotes verse 5 from what Jesus told Sardis in Revelation 3. YES!!!

1 “…I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent…. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” NKJV

[youtube=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ITAPFzjKG9Y]

“An excerpt from the Catholic television program ‘The One True Faith’. What is the notion of “Once Saved, Always Saved”, and when did it appear? Is this incorrect and false notion innocent, or is it a dangerous heresy which leads and has lead many once-faithful Christians away from Christ and His Church? Join host Michael Voris as he explores this topic in a direct, accessible and engaging style.

“To purchase this episode, visit http://www.CatholicTelevision.org. You can watch full-length episodes of this program and other Catholic TV shows on http://www.RealCatholicTV.com.

Related: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way [Includes the above Rev. 3 text. Sardis actually had a reputation for being alive, but Jesus said…]

Andrew Strom: FIVE KEYS to SURVIVING the CRISIS

By Jeff Fenske

On January 3, 2009

In Hearing God's Voice, Revival, The Depression is Here?

“Learn to listen to God’s voice and obey Him.
Wherever he wants to send you,
whatever He wants you to do – do it.

And I pray that not only will you be one who ‘survives’
this crisis, but one who ‘thrives’
– to the glory of God the Father.”

From: Revival School (Andrew Strom)

Since I believe (like others) that 2009 is going to be a year that “All hell breaks loose” (-Yes – you can quote me on that), I believe it is very important that God’s people come to grips with the key things that will help us survive – and even thrive – through this dark period of great Shaking. The following keys are taken from my book, “SURVIVE the DEPRESSION”-

(1) SPIRITUAL PREPARATION. As has been intimated all the way through the book, the most important keys to surviving and thriving in this present crisis are ‘SPIRITUAL’ in nature. The root causes of this mess are things like greed, apathy and the ‘Love of money’ – which are all SPIRITUAL diseases. And thus the answers are mostly spiritual also. Those who merely prepare in physical or practical ways will find this out to their great cost. If you want to survive and thrive, prepare yourself ‘spiritually’ above all else. Spend time seeking God, get rid of all sin, obey Him implicitly, help the poor, leave behind the shallow ‘junk’ of our culture and become a radical disciple of Jesus. If you have a family to care for, put the same principles into practice. Become a RADICAL FAMILY for Christ! Don’t delay. We are out of time. Such ‘spiritual’ preparations are by far the most important answer to surviving and thriving in these dark times. But don’t just selfishly seek God so you can ‘survive’. Seek Him for His own sake. Become a true disciple who lives for Christ – not for what you can ‘get out of it’ – but because your deepest desire is to utterly glorify Him.

(2) POSITION YOURSELF. Sometimes Christians can get away with being in the wrong place for quite some time. But not in a crisis like this. Every Christian needs to ask themselves right now, ‘Am I exactly where I am meant to be? Am I am with the people that God wants me with? Am I in the right group, the right city?’ If you know that God has been whispering to you for quite some time that you are meant to be in a different place, then do not delay. Get yourself and your family into the place that you know is in the very center of His will – even if it means losing money, or leaving behind friends, a well-paid job, or whatever. This is no time to be caught anywhere but in the exact center of God’s will for your life. Pray about it and take action. Don’t put it off!

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Andrew Strom: Our Only Hope is to Have Revival in the Midst of Judgment — It's Already Too Late

By Jeff Fenske

On January 2, 2009

In Andrew Strom, Revival, The Depression is Here?

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from “SURVIVE THE COMING DEPRESSION” (-Nov 07), posted now at Revival School’s Home Page

“We’ve got to prepare for what is about to happen in America. … It’s coming, and it cannot be stopped. No amount of praying will stop it. It’s already too late. We have one hope, and one hope only for revival in America, and that is to have revival in the midst of judgments.

– Andrew Strom

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Andre Eggelletion: "What's so wrong with admitting when you're wrong?"

By Jeff Fenske

On January 2, 2009

In Getting Right with Each Other, Lying, Tithing or Spirit-led, Who Goes to Heaven

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from Andre Eggelletion’s 12/18/08 broadcast on US Talk Network
Andre was talking about President George W. Bush’s lack of repentance, and then said this about those of us who elect the Presidents.

“What’s so wrong with admitting when you’re wrong? …

How quick are you to apologize when you’ve done something wrong, and say, ‘you know something, I messed up. … I’m sorry, man. I was just wrong. Forgive me. …

Why don’t you stop lying and just say, you know something, I overreacted. I was wrong. …

Admit when you’re wrong, okay? There’s nothing wrong with it. It cleanses the soul. … It renews you; it restores you. Make the atonement. Go ahead; put yourself on that altar.

It’s easy to pay 10% of your money, and think you’re going to get into heaven…. No, admit when you’re wrong. Make ammends for it. Apologize. Say, ‘I’m sorry.’ …

I can be vain enough to walk over you and think that it’s okay. But it’s not okay. Just admit when you’re wrong. Be a virtuous person.”

– Andre Eggelletion

Jason Upton: To You I GIVE MY LIFE, Not Just the Parts I Want To — YOUR THOUGHTS are HIGHER, YOUR LOVE is STRONGER

By Jeff Fenske

On December 31, 2008

In Worship

No Sacrifice
By Jason Upton
Album: Faith

To You I give my life
Not just the parts I want to
To You I sacrifice
These dreams that I hold onto

Chorus:
Your thoughts are higher than mine
Your words are deeper than mine
Your love is stronger than mine
This is no sacrifice, here’s my life

To You I give the gifts
Your love has given me
How can I hoard the treasures
That You designed for free

Chorus:
Your thoughts are HIGHER than mine
Your words are DEEPER than mine
Your love is STRONGER than mine
This is no sacrifice, HERE’S MY LIFE

[…]

Randy Stonehill: "Shut De Do, Keep Out De Devil"

By Jeff Fenske

On December 31, 2008

In Demons in Christians?, Forgive & Be FREE, Lust Freedom!, Lying

Shut De Do
By Randy Stonehill

Chorus:
Shut de do, keep out de devil
Shut de do, keep de devil in the night.
Shut de do, keep out de devil
Light de candle, everything is alright
Light de candle, everything is alright

Oh when I was a baby child (Shut de do, keep out de devil)
Good and bad were just a game (Shut de do, keep de devil in the night)
Many years and many trials (Shut de do, keep out de devil)
They proved to me they’re not the same (Shut de do, keep de devil in the night)

Oh, Satan is an evil charmer (Shut de do, keep out de devil)
He’s hungry for a soul to hurt (Shut de do, keep de devil in the night)
And without your holy armor (Shut de do, keep out de devil)
He will eat you for dessert (Shut de do, keep de devil in the night)

[…]

Ephesians 4 ( a Shut De Do chapter, as is James 4)

Have-We-Forgiven Gauge: "If There is Pain In a Memory There is Bitterness"

By Jeff Fenske

On December 30, 2008

In Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Forgive & Be FREE, Freedom, Healing

“If there is pain in a memory there is bitterness.”

– Art Mathias

.

From: Wellspring Ministries, Anchorage, Alaska

If there is any emotional pain in a situation or memory, then we know that some degree of bitterness is present. Only His precepts of forgiveness and repentance can remove the anger, resentment, shame or guilt in our memories. Our book Biblical Foundations of Freedom leads the reader through a process of recognizing and dealing with anger, resentment, jealousy and envy, rejection, fear and the occult.

Medical science and psychology demonstrate in thousands of clinical trials the way in which negative emotions affect our health. In His Own Image explains how our brain/nervous system, endocrine (hormones) system and immune systems are affected by many different negative emotions. This is a fascinating study that will open your eyes to the causes of most of our diseases.

As people come before the Lord in repentance and forgiveness, destroying the lies of Satan, and gaining victory through choosing to live according to God’s will in their lives, most emotional and physical diseases are healed and bodies return to peace and proper function. This restoration and healing is true Biblical freedom.

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Randy Stonehill: "I Used to Dream of Chasing Vengeance"

By Jeff Fenske

On December 30, 2008

In Forgive & Be FREE, No Enemy

Gods Of Men
by Randy Stonehill

[…]

And I used to dream of chasing vengeance
All my ENEMIES would crawl and sweat.
Well my HAPPINESS was drained from reliving all the pain
Now I’m learning to FORGIVE and FORGET*.

[Chorus]
As the world, keeps turning ’round,
You either learn to bend with the wind or it knocks you down.
Turn your back on the gods of men
And the Lord, who is true, will give LIFE back to you again.
.

* Have-We-Forgiven Gauge: “If There is Pain In a Memory There is Bitterness”

My Favorite Phil Keaggy Song: "March of the Clouds" — The Ascent Towards Heaven!

By Jeff Fenske

On December 28, 2008

In Music Videos, Revival

I saw Phil Keaggy play “March of the Clouds” about 1/2 of my lifetime ago, and had the great pleasure of telling him that this song reminds me of heaven. He smiled and said something like: “really?”
To me, this marching of the clouds symphonic illustration also has a strong ascending quality, a rising up toward heaven, kind of like in The Spiral Staircase Vision, but with no lonely downside, because the body of Christ is marching up the staircase together, towards God as ONE unit — everyone right with each other and finally, truly ‘in Christ’ — each led by the Holy Spirit.
I don’t know what Phil was thinking when he wrote this song, but it’s interesting that he chose the image of clouds marching across the sky. For every cloud is a unique, one-of-a-kind, though the entire sky is often filled with clouds that are all moving in exactly the same direction, moving as if ONE.
Paul’s picture in 1 Corinthians 12 is similar. “You are the body of Christ” (v. 27) One is a foot, another is an eye, etc., each having different spiritual giftings. But “there should be no schism in the body” (v. 25a). We need each other to be able to march as ONE — in Christ, our Head.
Rick Joyner’s vision comes to mind: “When we reached the level called “The Unity of the Brethren,” none of the enemy’s arrows could reach us.”
ONE will happen, and it will be glorious!!

[youtube=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vAd1QOk80bw]A 1-minute tribute from the stupendous middle section

[youtube=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ktUqHjXmk2Q]The March of the Clouds

A few of the YouTube comments:

“playing with the finger and the plectrum of God, he could calm an army of sauls.”

“This is the song that God plays at the cloud factory :)”

“If I had to define Phil Keaggy musically, I’d say this: His greatest talent and gift, I believe, isn’t just that he plays so well – its that he also knows exactly where and how to hang each note – as if he’s decorating with the music. He’s an artist more than a guitar player. He just paints with music.”

A Lively Discussion on The Red Gate Prophecy (previous post)

By Jeff Fenske

On December 23, 2008

In Freedom

Hello,
We’re currently having a lively discussion at Andrew Strom’s site regarding this important RED Gate prophecy, which I’ve also posted below.
Feel free to check it out and perhaps contribute.
“Freedom in Christ” is when the red gate is fully shut — when we truly are abiding in Him — not willfully sinning sins that lead to death — resting — FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!
In Him, we’ll be ONE with each other.
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE—————DOM————–!!!
Jeff Fenske : )

The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit? The BELIEVERS have OPENED THE GATE TO SIN, which is why this country has deteriorated

By Jeff Fenske

On December 21, 2008

In 'Church' is the Cause of the Crash, Doctrines Demystified, Lust Freedom!, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Reverse-Christianity Responsible, Revival, Who Goes to Heaven

This is so true!! My heart leaped when I read this!

Originally from: Revival School (Andrew Strom)

THE RED GATE PROPHECY – Michael Quintana.

I was awakened a few years ago by a disturbing dream I had one morning. The disturbing thing about this dream was that I had no idea where it came from, what it meant, and why I was shown this dream. There was no interpretation given me of what this dream meant which added frustration to my not knowing. The reality, intensity and urgency of this dream left me with many questions that were not immediately answered. The interpretation of this dream was given to me about two years later by God again but this time it was given to me through an extraordinary day vision. This dream had to do with me, California and the country.

The DREAM

It was early 2002 that this disturbing dream came to me while I was asleep one night. I was fast asleep when all of a sudden I woke up in the middle of nowhere in what looked to be the middle of the Central California valley. I recognized the valley because of the mountains east and west of me. I grew up in this Central California valley and I am very familiar with the surroundings. I was not scared but it was odd standing there in the middle of nowhere and not in my bedroom. This may seem odd but I felt wide awake like when I wake up every morning. The only difference was that my senses seemed to be on extra sensitive.

In fact I felt more awake, alert, and alive than when I wake up normally in my bedroom. I woke up into this incredible bright sunny beautiful day with the clearest clean air and a clearest blue sky I ever saw. I was standing on what seemed to be a greener than green oasis. I could clearly see the mountains in front of and behind me. This was just like when I was a child after a rain. I could clearly see the mountains on the east and west side of me. What caught my attention between me on the oasis and the mountains east and west of me were the miles and miles of this rich dark soiled dirt.

I then took notice that I was standing on the north side of this little green grassy oasis which was about two to 4 acres. Right at the edge of this green oasis just north of me was this big brighter than bright red gate. It was just standing on the outer edge of the greener than green oasis.

It was so odd to see this big red gate standing in front of me in the middle of nowhere. Everything looked like it belonged except this red gate. There was no fence or wall attached to this big bright red gate. It was just odd to see it standing there by itself.

I felt happiness and joy to be there in front of this big red gate. All of a sudden, I heard God’s voice out of nowhere. He then gave me very stern instructions. I knew this was God’s voice because I have heard his voice before and I know his voice. He said in a stern voice, “Mike, do not open the red gate”!

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Will Evangelicals Ever Admit They Were Duped by Bush?

By Jeff Fenske

On December 12, 2008

In 'Church' is the Cause of the Crash, Freedom

From: News with Views, Where Are Dobson And PCC Now?

I ask my non-Christian friends to bear with me on this column. As one will quickly see, this column is addressed to my fellow Christian conservatives.

Regular readers of this column know that one of my chief frustrations is the way Christian conservatives (otherwise known as the “Religious Right”) are so easily deceived by Republican politicians. The all-time classic illustration of this foible is the way the Religious Right was (and is) so enamored with President George W. Bush. No matter what Bush did: no matter how egregiously unconstitutional, no matter how utterly stupid, no matter how blatantly evil his actions were, Christian conservatives (almost universally) either robotically accepted and approved what he did, or blindly looked the other way. It was maddening!

It was as if Christian conservatives lost all ability to reason; it was as if they lost all discernment and discretion. Because George W. Bush claimed to be a Christian, and because he was a Republican, he could do no wrong. To this very day, the only group of people who yet approves of Bush’s Presidency is the Religious Right. Everyone else on the planet realizes that George W. Bush’s Presidency will go down in history has one of the all-time worst.

George Bush took a prosperous and robust economy, and led America to the verge of a second Great Depression. He has taken a (relatively) free and independent republic to the brink of becoming a globalist Police State. He has pushed the envelope of executive power; he has trampled individual liberty; he has made a mockery of justice; and he has made America the laughingstock of the world. In addition, Bush has misused and abused our nation’s bravest and finest by his illegal and inexcusable invasion of Iraq. No matter. The Religious Right still loves him. Why? Because he is a “Christian” Republican.

Since 2000, James Dobson, Pensacola Christian College (PCC), and their peers around the country have had an eight-year lovefest with George W. Bush. …

So, George W. Bush clearly stated that he does not believe the Bible is God’s Holy, inspired Word. Will Dobson and PCC still say that Bush is “one of us”? …

I am confident, however, that Bush’s statements will do nothing to diminish his god-like status with James Dobson and the rest of the Religious Right in America. For eight long and bloody years, Christian conservatives have been selling their convictions, doctrines, and even their consciences to George W. Bush. I will even go so far as to say that, in many respects, millions of Christians have turned President Bush into an idol. …

Of course, Barack Obama will not escape the public repudiation of Dobson and Company. Why? He is a Democrat. You see, it’s not principle; it’s partisan politics that matters, after all.

While we are asking questions, when will our fellow Christians and pastors finally open their history books? When will they read the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence? And when will they open their minds and hearts–even a crack–to the possibility that they might have been duped, and that there is more to being elected to the office of President besides being a “Christian” Republican? Probably never.

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Related:
Bush: The Bible isn’t Literally True; Evolution is Scientifically Proven; Jesus isn’t the Only Way
President Bush — “Bad Fruits versus Good Fruits” List
Reverse-Christian George W. Bush: ‘D___ right’ I personally ordered waterboarding — When will evangelicals admit they were wrong, voting for this known Skull and Bonesman for even his 2nd term?

More Proof: Skull and Bonesman President George W. Bush is a Reverse-Christian
Ron Paul: Christian Just War Theory — “Evidently, I have been reading a different Bible. I remember something about ‘Blessed are the Peacemakers’”

Saul Hated David, Refusing to Let God's Choice Lead, and It's No Different Today

By Jeff Fenske

On December 12, 2008

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, James-3 Cursing People, Revival, Tithing or Spirit-led

Wow! Is this interesting, and very important!!
I don’t necessarily agree with the author’s conclusion, but the parts I’ve bolded ring totally true with what I’ve seen.
It’s time to let those who are truly called by God to lead, and for the others to not be jealous any more—but rather thankful, and submissive—so Jesus can be Lord, Head of His church—finally!!
This isn’t a competition, a sporting event for guys to be seen by men; or a contest of who can speak the best…. This isn’t a game! This is about God having His way, not man having theirs.
He has placed His gifts in the body as He determines. It is sin to place others in charge who are not specifically called by God to lead. And God makes it clear who these are. But the Sauls play dumb, for they would have to relinquish their power to God, Himself, if they put the Davids in charge—and maybe even admit that they’ve been wrong, and “get right with those they’ve hurt.”
Where is the fear of the Lord? It is written: “The Lord will judge His people.” [Heb. 10:30]
Finally, can we do it right this time? Pretty please?
Jesus, have Your way. You are King! Live through us!

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From: Revival School (Andrew Strom)

ENRAGED Yet ANOINTED??
-D. Leesley.

“And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied… And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?” (1 Sam 19).

The question has come up. Can a man of God operate in the flesh and yet have the blessing and anointing of God in their life? Can they display the workings of the Holy Spirit one time and operate like the devil himself at other times? Or worse yet, can the man of God or teacher or preacher speak with the Holy unction and at the very same time speak falsehood while under that unction?

King Saul was a man after the people’s own hearts. They had refused God’s desire and divine purpose which was to be their King and Lord personally. They wanted a man they could see and touch. One they could lavish their love and praise upon. God told Samuel to give them what they want. Give them their heart’s desire. But at the end of the day, they’d wish they had made a better decision. God even warned them about their folly in chapter 8.

Saul took his armies to battle and won victories right and left. God surely must be pleased with the ‘new program’, right? Wrong. It still wasn’t God’s perfect plan or purpose.

We have today, what I call, a ‘church gone wild’. Tithing, titles and tiers, and might I add, tears. Tears of those who are suffering under an abusive system of control, greed and arrogance. And yet God does tend to His out of sync flock in spite of 1700 years of ignoring the N.T. plan and mould for the ‘body elect’.

Even as Saul was NOT God’s desired progam, yet His helping hand remained upon Israel. In these few verses we read about a very evil, arrogant and envious man who God appointed over Israel only because of their rejection of God’s position in their midst.

The time did finally come when God said ‘enough is enough’. He was about to replace Saul with David, a man after His own heart. David was anointed and humble. Disinterested, only caring about what God wanted. This drove Saul nuts with rage and jealousy. We all know the story here.

But look at this. Saul sent his messengers to find David and take him captive and bring him to Saul so he could destroy him. This leader’s closest companions had no real problem with this. But when they came upon Samuel and the prophets prophesying, the Spirit of the Lord came upon them and they spoke under the unction as well. They returned unto Saul and told him that the Holy Ghost had come upon them and they had a mini revival. Saul sent other messengers two more times with the same results.

Yet we do not read where these compadres had any change of heart about their mission. Finally Saul made the journey and when he arrived the Holy Ghost came upon him as well and he prophesied all night long. What a gloroius time in the Lord. What power displayed. Yet this man never reversed his plan to kill humble David, to rid himself he thought, in so doing, of conviction.

David flees to Jonathan crying [my paraphrase] ‘ What have I done? What’s wrong with me that God’s appointed leader doesn’t like me or want me around? I have honored him. I have behaved myself in humility around him. I have surrendered all to my God…I have…” Uh Oh!! There it is. A sure plan of action for rejection by God’s anointed leader.

This has not changed, trust me. I have witnessed this first hand many times in the modern institution we call ‘church.’ The more humble you become, the more surrendered to God you strive to be, the more anointing you obtain, the more proof you make of your ministry, the more cold shoulders from the hierarchy of organized religion you will witness.

So the premise of this piece is, can the true anointing be in play while a heart full of wickedness is still maintained? According to what we just looked at in the story of Saul, the answer would be yes. Can the same scenario exist today under the new covenant? My opinion would be yes, definitely.

[Sad and tragic, yet manifestly true – Ed.]

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2 Peter 3: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT

By Jeff Fenske

On December 9, 2008

In WordPOWER

<< 2 Peter 3 >>
KJV

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[FreedomQuote] “It’s hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.”

SPIRAL OF SILENCE: People tend to remain silent when they feel that their views are in the minority — Neumann wondered WHY the GERMANS SUPPORTED WRONG POLITICAL OPINIONS that led to national defeat, humiliation and ruin in the 1930s-1940s

“Putting your head in the sand will not save your backside”

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it WAS PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Willful Ignorance: Actively Resisting the Truth & Truth-tellers

From Willful Ignorance through Cognitive Dissonance to “Could I Be Wrong?”

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic” – Dresden James

[Willfully ignorant] Dr. Doug Rokke: People won’t acknowledge what the US has really done because the foundation for everything they’ve believed and what they’ve trusted literally collapses…

[FreedomQuote] ‎”I Would Rather Know The Ugly Truth Than A Beautiful Lie”

[FreedomQuote] Patrick Henry: “For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.” — I’ll take the red pill, thank you, to totally live in reality no matter what! FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeee——————DOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why Do Good People Become Silent—or Worse—about 9/11? — “If what you are saying is true, I don’t want to know!” | FEAR of being shunned or banished by friends and family, fear of looking like a fool because we bought the official account so thoroughly| Most people will give up their need to be right or free if their NEED TO BE LIKED is threatened. We need to feel connected to others | Many unconsciously relate to our governmental leaders as PARENTAL FIGURES on whom we project our (often unmet) needs for a protective parent. | If we are committed to psycho-spiritual growth we do not let fear dictate what we do

Psychologists Explain 911 Denial: Fear, Pride, Exceptionalism… (Why aren’t most people willing to even look at what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven — the most important issue?!)”

Gandhi: Widespread Belief Doesn’t Make an Error True

HeartQuotes: Truth — “A thing does not therefore cease to be true because it is not accepted by many” – Spinoza

“Truth … lies in the depth where few are willing to search for it.”

THE CALL to FORSAKE ALL — Willing to Trust Him with ALL of His Words — "We’re professing believers; but in fact, we’re practical atheists"

By Jeff Fenske

On December 6, 2008

In Revival

From: Revival School (Andrew Strom)

THE CALL to FORSAKE ALL
by Michael Carl.

“As Jesus passed along the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his
brother Andrew casting a net into the sea?for they were fishermen.
And Jesus said to them, ‘Follow me and I will make you fish for
people.’ And immediately they left their nets and followed him.”

What did it mean when Jesus strolled the shore of Lake Galilee
and call those men to serve Him without reservation? Well, in
one way or another, it meant a complete surrender to Jesus.
When they heard Him say, “‘If any want to become my followers,
let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me‘”
(Mark 8.34), they eventually learned that He meant it.

For most of them, it meant dying for the Lord. We all know from
Foxe’s Book of Martyrs that all of the original Apostles, second
edition (with Matthias), except John went to a martyr’s death.
Thomas, not realising the full impact of what he was saying, said
it correctly when he said in John chapter eleven, “‘Let’s go back
to Judea so we may die with Him.'”

Yet, we have to ask today, what does it mean when Jesus says,
“‘Follow me and I will make you fish for people'”? Is there any
real meaning behind Jesus’ own words, “‘If any want to become
my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross
and follow Me'” for us today? Do we really believe this or have
Christ’s own words simply become a romanticised exercise in a
formulaic religious contemplation for today’s 21st Century North
American Christian?

In truth, we have to come to terms with the reality that if we don’t
really believe He means what He says in these Mark passages,
then in fact we are denying the truth and efficacy of God’s Word.
As one of my teachers along the way said, “We’re professing
believers; but in fact, we’re practical atheists.”

The good professor was blunt, but brutally true. When it comes
to obeying the Word of God, we don’t do too well with the
passages requiring personal sacrifice.

Folks, this must change. If we’re ever to realise the depth and
beauty of a vital relationship with our Lord, we have to let go and be willing to trust Him with ALL of His Words.

Are we willing to do that?

If not, then our practical doubts are going to rob us of the very
meat and meaning for which we deeply long.

Let us resolve this day that we’re not going to be spectators;
we’re going to take a step from the shore, wade in and fully
become “a fisherman”.

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Dr. Stan: Powerful spiritual forces work behind the whole one-world government movement

Chuck Baldwin: Christians Use [Bible] Prophecy To Excuse Laziness

What is Real Revival?

Strand: Most 'Christians' James-3 Curse & Matthew-5 Lust

"Blessed Subtractions" = Pastors 'Praying' People Out of Their Churches

'Pastor': You can pray AGAINST people. "It's well worth it!" – Vs – God: "Bless and don't curse," "This wisdom is…DEMONIC," "Overcome evil with good" "that you may be children of your Father"

Martin Luther James-3 Cursed? "The maladies I suffer are not natural, but Devil's spells"

Paul Meier: "The most deceitful thing in God’s universe is our own hearts"

Dennis Cramer: "Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable"

"Breaking Christian Curses: Finding Freedom from Destructive Prayers" by Dennis Cramer

[WordPOWER!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: "You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver" (Hell?)

Smith Wigglesworth: "With a CONSTANT FILLING, You Will SPEAK In TONGUES Morning, Noon and Night"

Smith Wigglesworth: "Stephen…manifested the very same compassion for his enemies that Jesus did"

CORRIE TEN BOOM: PREPARED For The COMING TRIBULATION — “Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be STRONG ENOUGH TO BE A MARTYR for Jesus Christ.” My father said, “OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN KNOWS when you will need the strength…. HE WILL SUPPLY ALL YOU NEED – JUST IN TIME.“

Andrew Strom: Love People Please!

[Catholic TV] John Calvin: "Once Saved, Always Saved?" – Or – Jesus Christ: "If You Conquer, I Will Not Blot Your Name Out of the Book of Life."

Andrew Strom: FIVE KEYS to SURVIVING the CRISIS

Andrew Strom: Our Only Hope is to Have Revival in the Midst of Judgment — It's Already Too Late

Andre Eggelletion: "What's so wrong with admitting when you're wrong?"

Jason Upton: To You I GIVE MY LIFE, Not Just the Parts I Want To — YOUR THOUGHTS are HIGHER, YOUR LOVE is STRONGER

Randy Stonehill: "Shut De Do, Keep Out De Devil"

Have-We-Forgiven Gauge: "If There is Pain In a Memory There is Bitterness"

Randy Stonehill: "I Used to Dream of Chasing Vengeance"

My Favorite Phil Keaggy Song: "March of the Clouds" — The Ascent Towards Heaven!

A Lively Discussion on The Red Gate Prophecy (previous post)

The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit? The BELIEVERS have OPENED THE GATE TO SIN, which is why this country has deteriorated

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Will Evangelicals Ever Admit They Were Duped by Bush?

Saul Hated David, Refusing to Let God's Choice Lead, and It's No Different Today

2 Peter 3: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT

THE CALL to FORSAKE ALL — Willing to Trust Him with ALL of His Words — "We’re professing believers; but in fact, we’re practical atheists"