Ray Curry from The Unction channel on YouTube, weighs in on Marcus Rogers and who is Doug Weis.
1:16:56 Doug Weiss goes ballistic in this discussion
Lots of truth here.
Category: Biblically Disqualified Leaders? Page 1 of 10
19:20 Christian leaders threatening with curses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2NQxTrVuw
My comment:
The main problem is unrepentant lust of the heart, which Jesus said in Matthew 5 will send us to hell, so we have to do whatever we need to in order to not lust in our heart. Committing an act with a person is a next, deeper step. Lusting in the heart allows demons to drive lust.
Pastors teach “once saved always saved” and “only believe” instead of teaching what the Bible really says about needing to abide in Christ to have no condemnation, which we have if we walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. These are the sons of God, Paul then continues to say in Romans 8.
Look at Paul’s two lists in Galatians 5. Most “Christians” are in the “will not inherit the kingdom” list, and many don’t even care about what Romans 8, Galatians 5 and almost 90 New Testament verses actually say about who goes to heaven. They’re that lust addicted.
Paul says an overseer MUST be “HOLY” in Titus 1, which means purity of the heart, not just externally pure actions. Then we have the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5, after which Paul says “Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.” Most pastors and born-again “Christians” today are backslidden by choice, not in Paul’s “those who belong to Christ” list.
Paul soon after says: “Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”
It starts in the heart. Church leaders MUST be “HOLY” in their hearts to be able to lead others into real Christianity: Ephesians 4:11-16.
John MacArthur also teaches the serious false doctrine of “once saved always saved.” He’s a major false teacher leading many astray, including many pastors.
This passage in Hebrews 6 is probably directly related. The Hebrews were facing martyrdom, which they could escape if they publicly renounced Christ. The writer to Hebrews plainly says this is unpardonable.
Hebrews 6:4 For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify the Son of God for themselves again, and put him to open shame.
Revelation 14:
9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead, or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.
We need to be ready to lose our heads. Taking the Mark is NOT an option!
John Elving writes under this video:
John MacArthur & Phil Johnson teach that by taking the Mark of the Beast you can still repent and go to heaven. The reasoning behind this is it is not an unforgivable sin. I reject this theory 100% because the bible teaches us that once you take the Mark of the beast you are sealed with the seal of satan and you will never repent.
The fallout continues after Robert Morris resigned from Gateway Church over furor following allegations he molested a 12-year-old girl in the 1980s. Morris, 62, who resigned from Gateway last week, offered an initial statement on the allegations against him in which he again used the term “young lady.”
In that statement, he described what he said was “inappropriate sexual behavior with a young lady” in a home he stayed in during his 20s. “It was kissing and petting and not intercourse, but it was wrong,” he said. The preacher went on to state that the behavior happened on “several occasions” over a number of years.
Morris said the situation was “brought to light” in 1987. He said he confessed, repented, sought counseling, and returned to ministry two years later with the support of the victim’s father. For the record, the accuser, Cindy Clemishire — now 54 — has denied the latter claim as well as the notion she was a “young lady” at the time, claiming the abuse started when she was just a child.
Clemishire joins CBN News to detail her allegations, to share her faith journey, and explain the reasons she’s speaking out.
In a world of faith and flashy lights, megachurches and their pastors sometimes come with mega-drama… In Pastor Paula White’s world, alleged marital affairs, bankrupting churches, and using church money to pay for plastic surgery aren’t unheard of. As a young girl who lived in a trailer and became a young married mother, she grew up to become a preacher after an affair with the associate-pastor of her church (and not before they ran off together to start their own church). She went on to lead a congregation of 22,000, became a multimillionaire, hosted a Christian TV show, owned a private jet and an 8,000 sqft. beach-front home. But no matter how high she climbed, betrayal, greed, and multiple scandals have followed Paula her entire career and three marriages. This is the scandalous story and luxurious lifestyle of Pastor Paula White.
Video Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:26 The Come Up
12:09 Revisionist History
40:08 Church and State
1:11:20 Pet Palate Cleanser
Today, we discuss the resignation of Pastor Robert Morris in light of his past sexual assault of a 12-year-old girl.
..we discuss how horrible marijuana is, particularly its devastating effects on teenagers. Are there any good reasons to legalize weed? Is marijuana possession actually a criminal justice issue, or is this a myth?
Plus, we discuss the different types of “Karens” and defend those who are actually necessary for society to function.
Today we have an exclusive interview with Mike Bickle’s youngest victim, Tammy Woods. Trigger warning as this episode contains specific information about Clergy Sexual Abuse.
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Derek Prince Spiritual or Soulish Worship in the church today. Derek Prince sermon states that one of the essential things for spiritual success is to be able to discern between the soulish and the spiritual. Derek Prince believes the church in modern times cannot discern the difference. Soulish worship appeals to the emotions, and its sounds very good, and it will stir you up emotionally but it doesn’t do within you you what needs to be done. So soulish Christians are very easily deceived. Derek Prince has 50 years worth of ministry experience and know what it looks like to put on an act. It will get people crying, giving and excited but it doesn’t really change people. This is the difference between spiritual and soulish Christianity.
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My comment:
Totally true! Many “churches” today even crank the music to almost rock concert levels so people think something significant is happening; though, it’s all flesh, NOT the Holy Spirit. And most can’t tell that the service is spiritually dead, including pastors.
Many of the worship leaders are more interested in being seen than actually worshiping God. Most cannot worship in Spirit and in truth because they’re lust addicted, etc., walking in the flesh instead of in the Spirit.
Those who can see, who have the gift of discernment of spirits, if they tell what’s really going on, pastors reprimand them, and never apologize so they’re right with God and men, like Paul always made sure he was (Acts 24:16). They’re in BIG trouble with God!
It’s a show.
Not even one church in the US has a reputation for being alive today, let alone is alive. We’re not even at church-of-Sardis level!:
Rev. 3:1 “And to the angel of the assembly in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars says these things: “I know your works, that you have a REPUTATION OF BEING ALIVE, BUT YOU ARE DEAD. 2 Wake up, and keep the things that remain, which you were about to throw away, for I have found no works of yours perfected before…God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If therefore you won’t watch, I will come as a thief, and you won’t know what hour I will come upon you. 4 Nevertheless you have A FEW names in Sardis THAT DID NOT DEFILE their garments. They will walk with me in white, for THEY ARE WORTHY. 5 HE WHO *OVERCOMES* will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way BLOT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Thanks for posting!
TornCurtain
From: https://stephendeere.substack.com
Editor’s Note: My father recently shared his insights on the scandal at IHOPKC involving Mike Bickle here. In his account, he referenced an email that he characterized as manipulative from Bickle. The email suggested removing a chapter about Paul Cain from the latest edition of his book, now retitled “Why I’m Still Surprised By the Voice of God.” Despite Bickle’s objections, the chapter remained in the book, albeit with revisions. The revisions were not solely based on Bickle’s objections, but also on others’ input. Due to readers requests’, my dad granted me permission to publish the 2022 original draft that prompted Bickle to raise concerns about his chapter devoted to Paul Cain. The draft chapter was penned at least two years before the latest disclosures about Bickle’s clergy sexual abuse scandal. Given recent events, my dad’s perspective on what transpired more than 20 years ago with Paul is still evolving. From what I understand, Bickle introduced my father to Paul Cain, a connection that led to profound harm to our family. Nevertheless, this draft chapter also acknowledges a prayer my dad learned from Bickle that he believes helped liberate him from Paul’s influence. — Stephen Deere
True Prophets, Carnal Prophets, and False Prophets, originally written for: “Why I’m Still Surprised by the Voice of God”
An Unpublished Draft Chapter
“It’s not about protecting your image or protecting your ministry. It’s about your eternity!” – Not By Sight at minute-5:36
IHOPKC Pastor Says Misty Edwards Affair Only ‘Tip Of The Iceberg’ Of What’s To Come 21st Mar, 2024
Related: Prominent Worship Leaders Kevin Prosch and Misty Edwards Confessed a Years-Long Affair, Sources Say, by Julie Roys
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Misty Edwards Involved in Adulterous Affairs – Mike Bickle News Scandal & Allegations Update ihopkc. Julie Roys from the Roys Reprot drop another bombshell article that Misty Edwards was Involved in two adulterous affairs.
Two well-known Christian worship leaders, Kevin Prosch and Misty Edwards, privately confessed to a years-long affair that started before Prosch and his second wife divorced, sources told The Roys Report. According to Brent Steeno, Edwards told him about an affair with Prosch in December 2021. Steeno was on staff at ihopkc when Misty Edwards confided in him about these affairs. Steeno said Edwards told him the affair was ongoing and had begun seven years earlier, around 2014.
Prosch was married to Shelly Bickle which is Mike Bickle sister but they divorced in 2016. Steeno said Edwards also confessed another secret involving a man she refused to name. Steeno has produced texts with Edwards that corroborate his accounts. Joel Richardson said that Prosch confirmed the affair with Edwards in a three-way call last October between Richardson, Prosch, and Jose Diaz. Also Prosch and Edwards were charged with driving under the influence and public intoxication, respectively. Prosch was also charged with failing to stop at a stop sign and speeding. During their relationship they were also doing drugs.
Steeno said he was very concerned about Edwards’ well-being after hearing her confession. So, in January 2022, Steeno said he told two members of IHOPKC’s ELT—former IHOPKC Executive Director Stuart Greaves and Senior VP Lenny LaGuardia—about what Edwards had told him. Despite this, Edwards continued serving on the ELT for another 19 months.So ihopkc basically did nothing and allowed Misty to continue in ministry. This whole dark and sinful narritive is confirmed by many text messages that Steeno provided the Roy report.
Listen to this sincere call to deep repentance to save the House of Prayer movement by Jonathan B., founder of House of Prayer in AZ.
01:19 Part 1. The deadly sins of Mike Bickle
02:22 Part 2. The deadly sins of IHOP-KC leaders
03:42 Part 3. Confession of the deadly sins of current and former House of Prayer leaders
04:47 Part 4. Confession of the deadly sins of the entire House of Prayer family
05:58 Conclusion
Narrated.
Text: https://twitter.com/JBoeglXrucianis/s…
“Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:2-8)
Female member for six years explains his appeal to women. Narrated story from blog post in 2022.
I commented:
Joel Osteen also always smiles big. It’s a salesman confidence technique that’s faked, instead of just resting in the Holy Spirit. It can also mask their real emotions.
The others didn’t offer this, because it’s unbiblical for women to be overseers over men in the church. Mike was willing to disobey God, and be different.
1 Timothy 2:12-14 is crystal clear. How is it okay to violate scripture, rebelling against God’s design mandate and how He designed men and women to have different strengths and weakness? Rebellion is the sin of witchcraft.
“But I DON’T PERMIT a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness. For [because] ADAM WAS FORMED FIRST [given a specific personality to do his big-picture tasks. Eve was then designed by God to complement man with complementary (not the same) characteristics — proven now by science], then Eve. Adam WASN’T DECEIVED, but the WOMAN, BEING DECEIVED, has fallen into disobedience….”
My comment:
I fully agree with you! The only way to “win” as a worship leader is to be holy, so we can worship in Spirit and in truth, leading others into the presence of God. If we’re not holy, clean, we can’t worship until we repent and get right with everyone, like Paul ALWAYS made sure he could say:
“..I also practice ALWAYS having a CONSCIENCE VOID OF OFFENSE toward God and MEN.” – Acts 24:16
It’s true that “repent” isn’t said much anymore, but “reconcile” is hardly ever mentioned at all, what Jesus said we must do before giving our gift at the altar, and what Paul made sure he always did.
Twila Paris was a good example decades ago. She just worshiped God in purity, not to get glory for herself. Much of her music was anointed as a result.
Misty has always seemed like a showman to me. She used her musical gift to show people how special she was, instead of showing people how special Jesus is.
A real worship leader’s goal is to be invisible, to connect people with God, not show how great she is.
I don’t see how she was a victim, like some are saying.
Mike gave her the head worship leader title; though, she was the worship leader who worshiped the least.
Something was seriously strange between those two.
“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation.”
– Patrick Henry
“Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.”
– Patrick Henry
Most pastors teach an unbalanced version of God. They only teach the kindness aspect, never the SEVERITY of God, which Paul clearly taught:
Romans 11:20 ..Don’t be conceited, but FEAR; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches [the truly ethnic Jews], neither will he spare you. 22 See then the GOODNESS *and* SEVERITY of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE in his GOODNESS; OTHERWISE YOU WILL ALSO BE *CUT OFF* [like in Mt. 7:19 and John 15:6].
“One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to the facts.” – C.S. Lewis
December 27, 2023
The International House of Prayer in Kansas City has cut ties with its founder, Mike Bickle, after receiving new information related to allegations of clergy abuse against him.
THE ROYS REPORT
REPORTING THE TRUTH.
RESTORING THE CHURCH.
EXCLUSIVE: Woman Says IHOPKC Founder Mike Bickle Used Prophecy to Sexually Abuse Her
My analysis of Jack Hibbs message: That You May Know – A
This is Howard Pittman, a BAPTIST PASTOR whom I often mention when talking about how FEW are GOING TO HEAVEN now. In 1979, he DIED in the ambulance on his way to the hospital. At the gates of heaven, the angels told him he HADN’T MADE JESUS LORD. He had served self, so couldn’t enter, and that only 2.5% were entering heaven then, 44 years ago. Imagine how much lower the percentage is today. THIS IS SERIOUS!
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!
Andy’s dad, Charles Stanley sent many to hell, convincing them they didn’t have to abide in Christ to be “in Christ.” “Once saved, always saved” (OSAS)!
Now, what God’s word says about homosexuality can be rejected too. Anything goes: LGBTQ+ OSAS.
Andy Stanley handing out licenses of immorality, just like his father, Charles Stanley, who helped popularize “once saved always saved,” the license for immorality that’s now mainstream.
And Rep. Lauren Boebert needs to be called out, believing she can do filthy things and still be a “Christian.” She’s known for loudly standing against drag queens; though, she’s caught sexually playing with a leftist who owns a bar that hosts drag queens!
She’s a complete hypocrite, who won’t admit she seriously sinned, and many “Christians’ are defending her.
She reminds me of “Christian” Sarah Palin, whom I’ve written much about since 2008.