I know of John Paul Jackson from the Vineyard movement in the late ’80s and early ’90s. I experienced some of it firsthand during the first time I attended Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, an evangelical seminary in Chicago, and where I attended the Evanston Vineyard as well as a truly amazing Vineyard conference. Wow!
Unfortunately, this seemed to greatly anger some key theology and church history professors at the seminary, for many of us students could hardly talk about anything else and it flew in the face of what they were teaching (many of them believed and/or taught that the gifts of the Spirit had seceded, and they never seemed to talk about being Spirit-led, apparently reading Romans 8 (and many Bible and church history texts) through Baptist, etc. glasses).
Wayne Grudem was a noteworthy exception, who was actually part of the Vineyard movement. Thank you, Wayne!!! I remember him praying for me at the conference. And I think he paid a big price for standing up for what is right.
Seminary was one of the meanest places I’ve ever attended. Hate and anger was off the charts; though, the old guard tried to hide it. There is a reason why John and Chris Wimber died soon afterward. See my James-3-cursing posts under the ‘Christians’ Cursing People category. It was hard enough for me, and I was just a student. It was fierce!
This is one of the main reasons I haven’t yet responded to the Joe Schimmel post comments, as I had planned to. Most of the professors were Calvinists, and they mostly believed that God basically chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. And they were of course among the chosen-for-heaven group. And the result of that doctrine, in my opinion made walking the campus sidewalks one of the most uncomfortable experiences in my life, especially when I attended the second time, after the Vineyard fire went out, and many of the professors and students knew where I stood.
The main leader of the movement, John Wimber, was also a professing Calvinist, and yet he desired to be Spirit-led, as was Wayne Grudem. So the belief in Calvinism doesn’t necessarily cause one to disbelieve in the Holy Spirit’s tangible, active functioning in our lives.
But it may be Calvinism that was in part the reason why the Vineyard movement basically ceased. Holiness died as a major theme, and what I call partysville set in. And this seemed to happen concurrent with John Wimber teaching tithing at Anaheim as the $giving$ standard. The old covenant law replaced being led by the Holy Spirit for giving. They had just built a new facility and needed to pay the huge loan.
I visited the new facility in Anaheim Vineyard (the mother ship) shortly after John Wimber taught what apparently was his first tithing-is-the-standard message. I saw it listed a few months back in the cassette tape message list. It was as if the Holy Spirit had left, compared to the presence of God that could be tangibly felt during my previous visit in the warehouse facility. And the Evanston Vineyard appeared to die also during this same period. Sad 🙁
And the music died too. They kept selling worship CDs for years thereafter, but the life was gone. And then Chris Wimber (head of music production) and his father, John suddenly died. That was a sad day for me.
John Wimber actually taught DWJD (Do What Jesus Did), and to a certain extent, many succeeded. Many also learned how to hear God’s voice; though, speaking in tongues was downplayed, which I believe is one of the greatest tools to battle the devil, including the James-3 curses ‘prayed’ our way by the modern-day Pharisees (basically). [See: A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls). It’s time to listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying. He wants us to hear His voice, follow and be free]
I believe John and Chris were James-3 cursed to death. I saw and felt the hate and anger firsthand. I had to pray a lot just to make it myself, and I was just a student [During the second time I attended seminary, after the Vineyard movement had died and the campus was back to ‘normal,’ I had a dream in which I was told I wouldn’t make it if I didn’t pray 1 hour a day. So I took long prayer walks along the Des Plaines River]. Had there been more people praying in tongues, perhaps John and Chris would still be with us today to experience the move of God that John Paul Jackson and many others believe is soon to come.
[By the way, I should add that I also spent some time at Fuller Theological Seminary trying to more fully understand how John Wimber’s signs and wonders class affected the campus. There was a much lighter, less oppressive and more joyous feel there.]
“Without holiness, no one will see God,” but with holiness we will! John Paul Jackson here talks about how we must be right with everyone in order to participate in this coming revival, saying: “you must have clean hands and not [have] harmed others. And if you have, you must repent so that you can be clean.”
This coming move will be awesome, and a combination of increased suffering and sound doctrine (finally) will I believe allow this coming move one that will never stop. Calvinism and tithing were factors that I believe caused the Vineyard revival cistern to no longer hold water. Sound doctrine, on the other hand, will create the groundwork in which God will move among us forevermore — which is why I spend so much effort trying to bring doctrinal balance into what is currently taught in Evangelicaldom today. Doctrine is key, and Jesus’ Greatest Two Commandments should be our main focus, with the Greatest Commandment greatest, but He also requires us to be right with all people, including the Iraqis, we slaughtered, by the way.
Most ‘Christian’ leaders still aren’t talking about this, but there should be repentance for supporting President Bush’s reverse-Christian policies. I believe this is one of the things that is keeping the move of God from happening. John Paul Jackson says that we must have clean hands in this coming move. Well then let’s do it, locally and internationally. God wants to move now, and we need Him now. This is serious. We’re allowing calamity to be needed in order for us to be willing to follow Christ.
Oh well, the main reason I started writing was to share this. I really appreciate John Paul Jackson’s point that what is coming is not the wrath of God, mainly. Rather, it is God withholding His hand of protection because His people are far away, and consequently, no longer salt and light. For example, I was told by God in my Let Us Be ONE prophecy that 9/11, specifically was a result of unforgiveness:
There is fear in My people—a fear that is great. You need not dismay, for I am with you. I am in everything you do, non-stop. I never cease.
Feel My hurt, imagine the pain, when you go your own way. I am in you, waiting. Let’s be one. Let’s do it.
There is another thing: a disaster has struck. People have been hurt, suicide bombings attacking towers. Why?
Do you not know that I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away?
We are one; we need not be far away. There is a way that seems right to a man. Disaster will result unless we forgive.
See the fallen; see them rise up and be refreshed as you give them a kiss, a holy kiss from above, pulling them up, giving them aid when they are down.
Let Me be in control; let Me lead your life. Do not be full of error, wondering this or that, going to and fro, not sure of which direction, being unable to forgive. Forgiveness is the key to repentance.
I forgave. I hung there and gave My life so you can have freedom. I hurt so you can walk in humility and be refreshed. You must take it and run, the precious gift of forgiveness, but not just for yourself, for others. Forgive and be free.
Jesus has wanted to protect us, to help us prosper in every way. But we left the way of loving everyone as much as we love ourselves, and now many non-Christians demonstrate more compassion than born-again ‘Christians.’
It’s not God’s fault; it’s ours. Those God sent to warn us weren’t listened to, and now we’re going to suffer, God told me, but it will also be a time of great joy and ease, spiritually:
“It doesn’t matter what the stock market will do, for holiness will abound and you will be ONE, living together, helping one another through the difficult times ahead.
It’s too late to reverse what’s been done, for My men have been rejected. There was a season.
Now is the time to overcome and get right with all those around, so you can be holy and set apart.
FORGIVENESS will reign from your hearts, and we will be together, embracing for eternity. You in Me and I in you. It should always be this way: resting, relaxed, righteousness ABOUNDING—your hearts GLAD! …
Your heart will swell with love, and it will be easy to remain in Me when others are on the boat with you.”
Jesus said “now is the time to overcome and get right with all those around.” If we’re ready spiritually, all in Christ, together as ONE (His heart-cry for us in John 17), then we’ll be spiritually ready for what is to come.
It’s too late to reverse what’s coming. We may be able to slow down and even minimize some of the terrible upcoming events, but because of our willful distance from God and His prophetic people, we are now on an irreversible course that we must have clean hands and pure hearts in order to overcome in what is to come.
Some will ride our coattails, but it takes brave mountaineers to be willing to pioneer the move now while the ease of obeying is still not here. It takes being willing to do the right thing, like humbling ourselves to those we’ve hurt and admit we’re wrong. Why wait till we see each other in the grocery store. That may never happen. Our own eternity is at stake (see Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way. It’s so clear), and we can help prepare the way, because “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4.
“When we build it He will come.” What a glorious day that will be. And the revival will last and last this time….
Come on, Anchorage, are you ready?
Jeff Fenske : )
This is Part 1 of the Perfect Storm Prophecy given by John Paul Jackson of Streams Ministries. To download the PDF Document associated with “The Perfect Storm Series” please visit:
http://streamsministries.com [specifically here – ed.]
Blog With John Paul Jackson at:
In Part 2 of “The Coming Perfect Storm” John Paul Jackson gives some prophetic insight to those who are intimately following the Lord as they grow closer to the Lord in hearing the voice of the Lord not only for themselves but for other people who need a solution to some of the problems that he has spoken about concerning the coming days ahead. The days ahead will not be easy but those who pray and seek the face of God will find much comfort and direction for their lives and the lives of others.
Sid Roth Interviews John Paul Jackson On the Coming Perfect Storm. “The Woes of 2012! The Woes of 2012!” And Beyond-Asbury, ‘ONE’-Happens, All-Get-Healed REVIVAL!!!!!!!
PROPHETIC BULLETIN August 2008: THE COMING PERFECT STORM
by John Paul Jackson
[vision] Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel!
‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”
2012 forecast: Food riots, ghost malls, mob rule, terror. Trends chief [Gerald Celente] says people should brace for ‘the greatest depression.’ “This is the decline of empire America”
“Only the pure in heart can see God, and there is no unforgiveness in a pure heart” – John Paul Jackson
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts