Beautiful! I have always like Leonard Ravenhill. What a man of integrity and vision and insight as to what is really going on with the tarnishing of the pure gospel.
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY7I02N6a1I]“Agony” by Leonard Ravenhill
Uploaded by outpostworld on Dec 3, 2010
Compilation of fiery words from Leonard Ravenhill.
“The devil is not fighting religion. He´s too smart for that.
He is producing a counterfeit Christianity,
so much like the real one that good Christians
are afraid to speak out against it.”
– Vance Havner.
I took a look through the book that Fritz Springmeier mentioned in the interview with Alex Jones, linked below, entitled, “Be Wise as Serpents.”
Something very dark has clearly has happened to the seminaries and the churches in America. There is so much deception and so many denominations which seem to emphasize everything but the greatest two commandments, that it does seem likely that something methodical and sinister has gone on.
Here is some of the evidence that secret societies, especially the Freemasons (but I saw that Springmeier also mentions the Skull and Bones) put their members in positions of leadership in many of the seminaries and churches.
What we need is a major rethink to get back to what the Bible really says and to what the Holy Spirit is really saying — which most ‘Christian’ professors and pastors will actually discourage.
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Excerpts from: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/BeWiseAsSerpents01.pdf
BE WISE AS SERPENTS
Fritz Springmeier
copyright 1991
Page 319:
The following is list is made up of Freemasons who are in Prominant positions in charge of Christian Seminaries or schools, or are teachers. This is not a complete list, but is given in the hopes it will provide the reader for a feel for how much influence the Masonic lodge has even on Christian education.
Page 324:
The largest of any Protestant denomination in the U.S. are the Southern Baptists. How widespread is Freemasonry in this largest denomination? 40% of the Southern Baptist ministers are Masons.19 Not only are large numbers of Baptist ministers Freemasons, but the various Baptist denominational leaderships are heavily Masonic. Some examples are…
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The Alabama Grand Lodge reported in 1889 that out of its 7,950 Freemasons in the state 483 were Christian ministers.7 The New York Grand Lodge report of 1890 gives us the breakdown of the 703 Christian clergymen that were N.Y. Masonic members: Methodist(288), Episcopalian(146), Baptist(112), Presbyterian(59), Universalist(31), Congregationalist(21), Dutch Reformed(13), Christian(13), Lutheran(11), Jewish(7), Unitarian(l), Reform Jew(1).8
Fritz also talks a lot about Billy Graham, who is allegedly a 33rd degree Freemason. Billy was given prominence in the press and was friends with all of the Presidents except apparently Nixon. Jesus said:
“Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” Luke 6:26
Billy has walked in universal appreciation, largely because he was nice no matter what. He not only wouldn’t confront sin, but he actually made excuses for Bill Clinton’s extramarital affairs, saying that we don’t understand the pressure Bill has as President.
Rev. Graham caused some controversy in 1998, when he seemed too quick to forgive Mr. Clinton just weeks after the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. “I forgive him because I know the frailty of human nature and I know how hard it is,” Graham told NBC’s “Today Show, adding that Clinton “has such a tremendous personality, that I think the ladies just go wild over him.” (source)
And then Billy laughed: “ha, ha, ha.” I’ve have that clip on tape, and wrote about it many years ago in my email list.
But perhaps the key detrimental tradition that Billy made popular was saying a prayer and then coming forward to become Christians. Probably a large percentage of Americans have done that, and I actually do believe that many were truly born-again that way. The problem is that most will then go back to living the way they were, thinking the same thoughts, and won’t be true disciples of Christ. Because Billy’s goal was to get converts, which he called souls. But most of those souls will have their names removed from the Book of Life according to Rev. 3:1-6, unless they truly abide in Christ according to what the Bible really says: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
We need a major rethink to throw out the doctrines of demons introduced by secret society members and others who were not led by the Holy Spirit. This is what I’ve tried to do on this site.
Jeff Fenske
Related:
This is mostly about what has really happened to our country through the George Bush family and other Skull and Bonesmen. Very important to be able to understand what is going on.
At minute-15: “Both Harvard and Yale were set up as schools for Calvinist clerics” and their reverse-Christian doctrines, which still affect US today.
I had a professor at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School who openly taught that we don’t really have free will. We just think we do, so God does really decide who goes to heaven and hell.
When I was at Trinity (never did finish), all of the theology professors were Calvinists except one.
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An expose of Yale’s super secretive and elite Order of Skull & Bones.
This chronicle of espionage, drug smuggling, and elitism in Yale University’s Skull & Bones society offers rare glimpses into this secret world with previously unpublished documents, photographs, and articles that delve into issues such as racism, financial ties to the Nazi party, and illegal corporate dealings. Contributors include Antony Sutton, author of America’s Secret Establishment; Dr. Ralph Bunch, professor emeritus of political science at Portland State University; Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, authors and historians; and Howard Altman, editor of the Philadelphia City Paper.
http://www.infowarsshop.com/Fleshing-Out-Skull-and-Bones_p_562.html
Your Price: $24.95
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN2qP6YZ62E]Fleshing Out Skull & Bones with Author Kris Millegan
Published on Jul 28, 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel
An expose of Yale’s super secretive and elite Order of Skull & Bones.
This chronicle of espionage, drug smuggling, and elitism in Yale University’s Skull & Bones society offers rare glimpses into this secret world with previously unpublished documents, photographs, and articles that delve into issues such as racism, financial ties to the Nazi party, and illegal corporate dealings. Contributors include Antony Sutton, author of America’s Secret Establishment; Dr. Ralph Bunch, professor emeritus of political science at Portland State University; Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, authors and historians; and Howard Altman, editor of the Philadelphia City Paper.
Fleshing Out Skull & Bones
http://www.infowarsshop.com/Fleshing-Out-Skull-and-Bones_p_562.html
Your Price: $24.95
Related:
George W. Bush Appointed at Least 11, Fellow, Skull & Bones Members to Government Positions
All of my George Bush Family category posts at ToBeFree (almost totally 150 now; latest appear first; 10 posts per page)
The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: An Anabaptist speaks out
John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake — His Ashes Cry Out!
Since I have written Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, it would seem logical that I would agree with a message entitled We Have Forgotten that the Way is Narrow. I do appreciate very much what Paul Washer says here, but he is teaching another form of the once-saved-always-saved fallacy in this presentation; though, this is much less dangerous than how most teach once-saved-always-saved.
The extreme view:
Charles Stanley and many others teach that if a person is truly born-again, there is nothing they can do to lose their salvation. Even unrepentant rapists and murderers go to heaven in this teaching
Paul Washer and some others’ view:
If a person is truly born-again, God will make sure that the person will stay enough on the right path that he or she will go to heaven no matter what. Washer probably believes in God’s sovereignty, instead of man having free will and therefore personal responsibility.
What I believe:
Many have been truly and sincerely born-again. Many have sincerely tried to follow the Holy Spirit (or do so in spurts), Who is in them, prompting them to overcome and convicting them of sin, but many are willfully disobeying to the degree that they’re not making sure they are right with their brothers and sisters and God Himself so they have clean consciences to be able to enter heaven, according to what the Bible really says. I show in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? what the Bible really teaches regarding what God requires of His people. Our hearts must be pure. We must overcome as God enables us to do so by His Grace.
I believe that truly born-again people can easily (especially these days with all of these temptations) willfully sin to where we leave the safe place of abiding in Christ, to where our consciences condemn us. And unless we repent and get right with God again (and sometimes this means getting right with people too), then we are in danger of going to Hell.
This is not normal Christianity, but it is normal for many ‘Christians’ today. Many have been led astray into thinking that we can ignore the warning-promptings of the Holy Spirit and the meek Jesus will give us the thumbs up anyway. But Jesus in heaven is not mainly meek. Jesus is endued with power, completely holy. If our consciences bother us on earth, where His presence is right now not very strong, imagine how our unclean consciences will shout at us. We will tremble when we stand before our HOLY GOD, face to face, horrified by our guilt that remains!!!
Consider this pastor, who would have spent eternity in hell just because he refused to forgive his wife:
Washer ignores the many verses that I give in “Who-Goes-to-Heaven Scriptures…” that show how holy we must be to be going-to-heaven children of God.
I know a pastor, locally, who was going to teach a number of messages about who goes to heaven. Before he did so, he promised he’d look at my writings. I was so excited and certain we could get on the same page and help revival to soon happen. To my utter shock and amazement, he ended up refusing to read what I wrote, and he taught similarly to what Paul Washer teaches in this message regarding the Calvinist perseverance of the saints doctrine — that if a person is truly born-again they will persevere, showing fruit — even if there is bad fruit, willful, unrepentant sin in there too. He then cut me off from his life, and hasn’t spoken to me since; even though, an overseer must be blameless: Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified.
I appreciate Paul Washer’s willingness to teach about the fear of the Lord and some of the warning scriptures, but it doesn’t seem to me that this kind of teaching really is bringing about Christlike fruit in which people are really getting holy and right with God and each other so we can be free — and ‘ONE’!
I don’t see the joy of the Lord here. I still see a license for willful sin. The emphasis in this kind of teaching isn’t in overcoming, but in getting truly born-again, which I believe many really have been. Because being born-again is a decision we make, God giving us the grace in order to respond to His wooings. And walking with Christ is also a daily, even hourly decision we make. We can walk out of His hand. We can remove ourselves away from the Vine in order to do our own thing that we know He doesn’t approve of. Jesus in John 15 is very clear, and tells of the consequences if we were to die in that state.
We can become prodigal sons and daughters. We can forfeit our birthright. But we can also come back to Him, where He will run to us with open arms, where we can live safely in Christ.
It’s up to us, for we know what His will is: that all would be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus will always enable us to overcome. But it’s up to us to abide in Him, connected to the Vine, so His sap can flow through us where fruit will remain — so we won’t be thrown into the fire and burned.
The ball is in our court, not God’s.
God has sovereignly given us free will to determine our own fate. And I just don’t understand how pastors can think things are okay when the presence of God can hardly even be felt during group ‘worship.’ Shouldn’t that be a warning sign that something isn’t right, because God “resists the proud but gives grace to the humble?”
Why aren’t pastors relentless in figuring out what is wrong with us so God can move among us again as a group?
Most pastors are confidence men, telling the people “I’m okay; you’re okay,” when hardly anyone is okay with God, really — or we’d be ‘ONE,’ and the world would know. God’s grace would be so filling us. We’d be shouting for joy!!!
Let us be ‘ONE’!!!
May we be free in Him — demon and false-doctrine free. Then the world will know — John 17. Now, they smell a rat until we are holy.
They’ll know us by our love for another. OSAS does not compel us to walk in perfect love for one another so the glory of God can give us so much real, overcoming joy that the world will know!!!
Power to the peaceful!!!
Jeff Fenske
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_hGBFVzYZ4]We Have Forgotten that the Way is Narrow. (Paul Washer)
Uploaded by LaneCh on Sep 5, 2008
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
(Mat 7:13-14)
http://www.heartcrymissionary.com
Related – John Calvin didn’t get it:
John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake — His Ashes Cry Out!
Our hearts must be right so revival can happen.
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From: The Libertarian Review
Throughout the last 2000 years, humanity has been violent, many wars have been fought for many reasons, and much of humanity has adhered to Christianity. The very fact that wars occur, even among Christian nations, was a horrible thought, as Christianity is very clear that its adherents were to be peacemakers.
This dreadful dichotomy between the ideals and goals of peace, and the reality and harshness of life and the ‘necessity of war’, has meant that Christian thinkers from very early on had to grapple with the issue. We are commanded that murder is wrong by the Ten Commandments. Yet we also know that we have a responsibility to defend our families, communities have a responsibility to protect the citizens in them and, of course, that governments have an obligation and responsibility to protect and defend their people and enforce justice among the members. The taking of human life is wrong.
Therefore, Christianity worked out the Just War Doctrine, that laid out the various issues related to justice and war, and even though its foundation is Christian in origin, it is such a useful doctrine that any country can use it whether Christian or not, and it is extremely helpful in many areas of human relationships, not the least of which is foreign relations. …
Wikipedia’s entry on the Just War Doctrine is useful for further information.
The Seven Tenets of the Just War Doctrine:
By these principles, that build upon one another, you can begin to see in how many ways our current foreign policy and reasons for war have violated the tenets that Americans, people of western civilization and Christians in general have held for years.
The first thing that is made plain: There is NEVER a justification for PRE-EMPTIVE war. All of America’s friends, allies and even the enemies took note that America had abandoned tradition and history and decided to go to war pre-emptively. That means that ANY COUNTRY, any leader, any provocation of any type could bring war down on their heads without recourse to diplomacy, negotiations, third party interventions. It made America DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE. It made our enemies step up their preparations for protective and possibly aggressive warfare. It also gave other countries an out and out justification to strike at us without warning, by any means they may choose.
It has put America and Americans in the greatest danger we have EVER been in.
The Just War Doctrine holds human life, and the well being of societies, to be of primary importance, and that the only point to war is to address damage that has been done already to a people and to return everyone to a state of peace as rapidly as possible.
The Constitution of the United States actually embodies the Just War Doctrine, implicitly if not explicitly. …
Related:
Ron Paul’s Christlike Attitude: Love, Peace & Hope – No *Initiation* of Aggression!
Chuck Baldwin: Why Do Evangelicals Ignore Ron Paul? | My Opinion
Fenske on Chuck Norris’ “Would Jesus Support War?” – ‘A God of War’ & ‘*a* Prince of Peace’
Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Will Evangelicals Ever Admit They Were Duped by Bush?
President Bush — “Bad Fruits versus Good Fruits” List
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
This is worth listening to.
But what hardly any pastors are teaching, including Osteen and MacArthur, is Jesus’ stated goal for us in John 17. Jesus prayed that we’d be ‘ONE,’ that the world would know.
Jesus said He would give us His GLORY to help us and empower us to be ‘ONE’ in Him and with each other, that the world would know.
Pastors should be teaching the absolute necessity for holiness and RECONCILIATION — right relationships with each other and God — actually abiding in Christ — being led by the Holy Spirit, God Himself — resting — filled with the Holy Spirit.
Then the world will know.
I don’t hear hardly any pastors talking about reconciliation — let alone leading by example — apologizing to those whom they’ve hurt — making sure they are right with everyone.
The time is short. Let’s get our act together before it’s too late. The Third Great Awakening is way overdue.
May we be ‘ONE’!
– Jeff
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcc0PGCvicI]John MacArthur – Joel Osteen is a New Age Religionist
Uploaded by IDH77 on Jan 3, 2011
Before anyone complains no I’ve not turned into a Calvinist but many Calvinist’s are good Christians.
Joel Osteen however is not a good Christian Minister. He is nothing more than a feel-good motivational speaker with a thin veneer of Christianity.
In fact as John MacArthur reveals his message is identical with that of Oprah Winfrey’s New Age message of ‘The Secret’ and the ‘Law Of Attraction’.
Related:
Joel Osteen: Homosexuals Get Into Heaven [But ‘Christians’ keep in mind that lusting HETEROsexuals WON’T INHERIT the kingdom either. We must all be holy so we can all be ONE!]
“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.”
– Aleister Crowley
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WARNING: This exposé includes intentionally seductive scenes that rock ‘n roll is famous for — which is why I have never posted this before. Hopefully, the revelation of the demonic influence behind this devlish behavior will help set people free!
Joe Schimmel’s “They Sold Their Souls for Rock n Roll” exposé is fascinating. I’ve watched the entire 3 hour and 10 hour versions many years ago, when they were VCR videos. This helps us really understand how Satan has used rock and rap to demoralize and spiritually weaken society.
It’s especially interesting to hear the actual quotes from the musicians we know, as well as what some of their lyrics really say.
The first video in this 4-hour version, starts out with the Columbine shooting. It can be started at the 15-minute mark to avoid that, or at the 21-minute mark to get more right into the music exposés. And then you can skip around if it’s not a band you’re interested.
What this doesn’t cover is country music, which I think is just as deceptive — in some ways even more so — because many country musicians hide behind Mom, God and apple pie, and of course, America — while they then push sex and the reverse-Christian wars in the name of God and country. Many listen to country as they drive around town in their big pickup trucks, living the reverse-Christian dream…
Good Fight is Joe’s official site where “They Sold Their Soul…” DVDs can be purchased, the 3-hour and 10-hour versions — and where more band exposés can be seen online. The list of bands scrolls to the left of the video.
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Joe narrates some versions, and is the main man behind these, but this narrator is not Joe[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoBfpP4pMRk]They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll Part 1 of 4
Uploaded on Jun 6, 2011
I am not a Christian but value the data in these 4 vids, It is a real eye opener to many. Parts 2 and 3 have been banned from my youtube channel. I may not agree entirely with their solutions but respect their efforts to wake people up to the manipulation of the minds of both young and old alike.
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[banned]
They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll Part 2 of 4
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCGr1z-pB68]They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll Part 3 of 4
Uploaded on Jun 6, 2011
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSfKmNv_rUE]They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll Part 4 of 4
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Related:
Nicole Scherzinger: You Have to Sell Your Soul to the Devil
Kanye West: “I Sold my Soul to the Devil”
(video) They Sold Their Souls: The Beach Boys
(video) They Sold Their Souls: AC/DC — “Hey Satan, paid my dues…. I’m on a highway to hell.” Yeah!
Michael Jackson Exposed: They Sold Their Souls For Rock & Roll
If you sold you soul . . . unsell it! (From my spiritual site ONEcanhappen)
[Video] Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
Photo: Joe Schimmel at 2004 Radio Liberty Conference — “They Sold their Souls for Rock -N- Roll!”
Over 40,000,000 American Christians are influenced by what we call, “Angry Evangelicalism,” better known as Christian Zionism.
Christian Zionists like John Hagee and Benny Hinn wear a mantle of righteousness but often ignore the teachings of Jesus and invoke their will in the name of Jesus, ignoring declarations of Christ like…“Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God, ” “Love your neighbor as yourself“ and, even “Love your enemy.”
No wonder so many people dislike and loathe Christians. …
Our question to any person calling himself a follower of Christ is: “Who Would Jesus Bomb?”
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Hagee claimed copyright violation to remove all of the video clips of him praying for war, but We Hold These Truths were able to post this version:
John Hagee with Benny Hinn: Praying For War in the Name of Jesus
From: youtube.com/watch?v=U4dl91wuHKY
Uploaded by WHTTdotORG on Jan 2, 2012
Over 40,000,000 American Christians are influenced by what we call, “Angry Evangelicalism,” better known as Christian Zionism. Christian Zionists like John Hagee and Benny Hinn wear a mantle of righteousness but often ignore the teachings of Jesus and invoke their will in the name of Jesus, ignoring declarations of Christ like…”Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God, ” “Love your neighbor as yourself” and, even “Love your enemy.” No wonder so many people dislike and loathe Christians. This 4 minute video provides a snapshot of the problem and illustrates one way to challenge those Christians who, for example, fervently believe that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and are even willing to go to war against a country like Iran to protect Israel. Our question to any person calling himself a follower of Christ is: “Who Would Jesus Bomb?”
Be sure to visit the WHTT website: http://whtt.org and podcast site for thought provoking programs: http://whtt.podbean.com/
Just to prove to you that things have not changed much in over a hundred years, watch the video production of Mark Twain’s “War Prayer” at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYIRbmxHpc The background music for this video is the title track from Rich Siegel’s latest album, “The Way To Peace.”
Rich has held a vigil for We Hold These Truths at a Christian Zionist church in New Jersey (see: http://whtt.org/straitgate/index.php?news=2&id=258 ) and continues to work for freedom and justice for Palestinians in Israel. Check out his website: http://richsiegel.com/
Related:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3BWAmlXis]“Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”–Creflo Dollar
Uploaded by seedsofgrace on Jan 12, 2010
Prosperity teachers are getting bolder and bolder these days.
Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?
Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING
Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]
Francis Chan and Preston Sprinkle are coauthors of: Erasing Hell: What God said about eternity, and the things we made up, which I have read, and highly recommend; however, I was disappointed with one of their points. When Jesus mentions the worm that never dies and the fire that is never quenched, I do believe the worms and the fire is real, not figurative, which Mary Katherine Baxter experienced. She explains how the fires and utter darkness are fully compatible in that realm. It’s a place we don’t want to go, period!
I listened to the audio book a few times through. Francis wrote the final draft, but Preston narrates the text, which to me, isn’t ideal, since I’m used to hearing Francis express his own thoughts. But as you can see here, Preston is a great guy too!
There is one thing he says though…. Not wanting to go to hell is actually a good motivation for serving God and living a life in love, in Christ. Jesus, Himself used the threat of hell as a motivational warning. For example, on lusting:
27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Very important topic and discussion!
jeff
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Transcribed by Jeff Fenske
“He gets to define what love is,
and not us.”
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“We question things like ‘does a loving God torture those in hell?’ But I have another question. Does a fair God just forgive you for all the stuff that you did? Does a fair God let you escape hell? Does a fair God have His own Son come down and die for your sake? It’s weird how we’ll question ‘God, how could you punish anyone,’ but we never ask the question, ‘God, how could you forgive anyone?'”
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“His thoughts are WAY BEYOND mine.”
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“There’s just a sense of arrogance when I tell God ‘look,
this is right or this is wrong….'”
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And Francis’ excellent statement @ 52:25 ends with:
“… And then when you disobey God, Himself, there are consequences to that. But the way that we teach love [to children – editor] has been: oh, you never punish; you never discipline; you never say ‘no.’ Just let them act out. It’s like: no, that’s not what God does. That’s not love.
So I think this whole concept of ‘how could God do this,’ it’s woven into the fabric of our culture that says ‘how dare my dad tell me what I can and cannot do.’ And we’ve lost the idea of authority all together, and it’s killing our families; it’s killing our churches; it’s killing our culture.”
– Francis Chan
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Preston Sprinkle adds:
“When I think of hell, it’s made me kind of think of the enormity of our sin.
If God is at all just, and He says that the punishment for sin is hell,
that means my sin is way worse than I could ever even imagine.”
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[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zluOaMKGA]Francis Chan: Erasing Hell
Published on Dec 5, 2014
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Related:
All of my Hell is Real — Forever Posts (Most recent listed first)
From: Andrew Strom
Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
After posting this also at ToBeFree, I decided to write this intro there to explain where I’m coming from especially to my non-Christian readers:
I assembled this for my spiritual site ONEcanhappen. This is why we’re going down.
Christians are supposed to be salt (which preserves) and LIGHT, and not warmongers.
Jesus said “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God.”
Yet most evangelical ‘Christians’ haven’t even repented for supporting Bush Wars I & II yet. Now they insist on another. Many even support torture. Talk about reverse-Christianity — following Jack Bauer instead of Jesus Christ!
And many refuse to even look at the slam-dunk evidence as to what really happened on 9/11:
Ron Paul is the only candidate that give us a reprieve from collapse, and most who profess to be followers of Christ, including pastors, won’t even give Ron the time of day. Many ‘Christians’ even pray (what I call James-3 curses at ONEcanhappen) that others reject him too.
This dream explains why:
The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit? The believers, not the non-believers, have opened the gate to sin, which is why this country has deteriorated
To me, the solution is clear. We need a permanent Asbury Revival in which the ‘Christians’ publicly confessed their sins so then God’s glory filled the place. And this is what happened to an entire country, and has been prophesied to happen right about now in the U.S.:
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
This is what my ONEcanhappen site is all about, and this is my main hope and vision for us.
God bless!
May we be FREE!
jeff
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Ron Paul alone
This is a comment written by Liberty 411 under this article, posted at Daily Paul dailypaul.com…: The Real Reasons Republicans Dislike Ron Paul
This is comment #2, a response to comment #1, which is also interesting, mentioning the Scofield Bible, which introduced dispensationalism.
… I have a somewhat different take on the matter.
Most Americans still claim to believe in some sort of God. Most professing conservatives are also professing Christians. Many professing Christians will be numbered with the goats on judgement day.
I’m no biblical scholar, but I think Christ’s views on love and peace and so forth are pretty clearly spelled out in the New Testament. The excuse that Christians somehow misunderstand the teachings of Christ is not in play, His words were too clear on too many subjects.
The problem here is really with Truth. Christ summed it up rather well when He said, “Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness, and would not come into the light for their deeds were evil.”
Evangelical Christian conservatives are neither evangelical, Christian, or conservative [at least when it comes to war – editor]. Not all of course, but generally speaking. I have found many faithful followers of Truth right here in these forums, so I know you’re out there.
Most lovers of Truth, when exposed to the views of someone such as Ron Paul will see the Truth in his arguments and are compelled to embrace them, often passionately.
This is no more evident than in the so called evangelical right wing’s incredible and insatiable lust for war. War is not a family value. War is certainly not a Christian value.
If we continue to think of this current struggle on merely an ideological level, we have missed the boat.
It’s not my purpose to alienate any who may hold to a different spiritual world view than my own. Or to impose my views upon them. But rather to point out to those who share my views that this battle is not a battle of ideas as much as it is a battle for Truth itself and all that that implies.
Related:
[2011] Ron Paul’s Statement of Faith
Ron Paul on Evangelical Christians Expected to Be Pro-War All the Time
Ron Paul on what precedes LIBERTY: Life “and I mean all LIFE!”
Ron Paul: “Fascism Comes Wrapped In A Flag, Carrying A Cross”
Ron Paul: Jesus is the Prince of PEACE, Not Preemptive War
Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Why Do Evangelicals Ignore Ron Paul? | My Opinion
Ron Paul’s Christlike Attitude: Love, Peace & Hope – No *Initiation* of Aggression!
Excellent article! I’d like to clarify just one thing.
Although, no doubt sex ed ranks right up there in the destruction of Biblically based moral values, I disagree that sex ed is the worst factor (Blumenfeld’s first sentence).
I think in the unconstitutional public school system, the main reverse-Christian factor is teaching the religion of evolution as fact without teaching the scientific evidence that disproves it. Here is just one slam-dunk way: The Universe is Young — Evidence from Space, Earth, Biology & History
When taught evolution as fact, many students then see Adam and Eve as just another fable like Santa Claus, in which their parents lied to them.
Which then leads to: “since we’re just animals, then ‘let’s just do it like they do it on The Discovery Channel.'”
Which then leads to the fall of America and the days we are in:
Jeff Fenske
ToBeFree
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From: The New American
Sex Ed and the Downfall of American Morality
Written by Sam Blumenfeld
Ideas have consequences, and bad ideas have bad consequences. The ideas behind sex education have done more to destroy Biblically based moral values than any other secular force in America.
The first idea to become a battering ram against traditional sexual morality was Sigmund Freud’s dictum that sexual repression causes neurosis. If sexual repression creates dysfunction, then the remedy, of course, is free sexual expression. That was not the cure Freud recommended, but Freud’s ideas so strongly influenced American culture that clothes for women went from the trussed-up, sexually repressed fashions of 1900 to the loose, liberating flapper skirts of the Roaring Twenties — in only 20 years!
Greenwich Village bohemians and intellectuals took to Freud like ducks to water. It provided a scientific justification for their free-love promiscuity and disregard of middle-class Biblical morality.
The second major idea came from socialist Margaret Sanger, free-love advocate, who launched a campaign in 1916 to promote contraception and abortion in order to free women from the burdens of unwanted pregnancy.
Sanger later adopted the views of the eugenicists who promoted the idea that only “the fit” should be encouraged to have children and “the unfit” discouraged from doing so. Sex education became an indispensable part of Sanger’s birth-control movement. As a result, Planned Parenthood, which she founded, became the pioneer advocate of comprehensive sex education in the schools.
In 1953, Planned Parenthood staffer Lena Levine wrote, “[Our goal] is to be ready as educators and parents to help young people obtain sex satisfaction before marriage. By sanctioning sex before marriage, we will prevent fear and guilt … we must be ready to provide young boys and girls with the best contraception measures available so they will have the necessary means to achieve sexual satisfaction without having to risk possible pregnancy.”
The third evil idea came from sexologist Alfred C. Kinsey, head of the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University, funded by the Rockefeller Foundation. Dr. Kinsey’s famous report, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, published in 1958, preached the idea that human beings are sexual from birth. The data on 317 infants and young boys supposedly provided the scientific source of that idea. This data was obtained from a pedophile who had actually masturbated infants and boys and kept records of his criminal experiments. All of this was exposed years later by Dr. Judith Reisman, who accused Kinsey of complicity in the sexual abuse of young children.
The fourth….
The fifth revolutionary idea came from the Humanist Manifesto II (1973) which challenged the views of traditional religion regarding sexual behavior and proclaimed total sexual freedom among consenting adults as the new moral standard for sexual behavior. …
In 1976, Dr. Kirkendall published A New Bill of Sexual Rights and Responsibilities, signed by 37 leading sexologists and authors. …
Out of this interlocking directorate of humanist sex education organizations came the curriculum of sex education for American schools. And the result has been rampant premarital sex among students….
“A reverent fear of God which brings freedom. And it’s because many ‘Christians’ do not have that reverent fear of God they don’t come into freedom.”
– Zac Poonen [correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not familiar with this speaker]
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“There’s no fear of God left in the land. This is what the Bible says: ‘Fear the Lord and depart from evil. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.’ By mercy and truth, iniquity is purged, and by the fear of the Lord men depart from their evil.”
“Oh, so many people are going to go to Hell through these churches. They’re going to go to Hell. These pastors will be held responsible.”
“I’m telling you now what I believe the Holy Spirit is saying, ‘It’s time to get right with God.'”
— David Wilkerson
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJVbFC9ODZI]Fear Of God Has Been Lost In The Church (Compilation)
Uploaded by sermonindex on Oct 21, 2011
Related:
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
From: Andrew Strom johnthebaptisttv.com…
ANDREW’s NOTE: Below is an excellent study of this subject by Jim Pruitt. We already discussed the dangers of the ‘Hebrew Roots’ movement some time ago. I truly don’t mind people calling Jesus “Yeshua” – unless they want to force us all to do it. Paul certainly wrote in Greek, and “Iesous” (or ‘Jesus’) was the word he used. But Yeshua is fine too. However I certainly DO mind when people start telling Gentile Christians to become “Torah Observant” – back under the Old Law. This is deadly deception in my view – directly opposed to the New Testament. But this movement has been growing and we need to be aware of what the Bible clearly teaches on this subject. Jim Pruitt’s study below will help us do that-
The INSIDIOUS NATURE of FALSE DOCTRINE
-extracts by Jim Pruitt.
Three issues have popped up in other areas within the public arena and it is important to address them before they become defacto doctrine. In the first century some of the Jewish Christians sought to impose these behaviors on Gentile Christians and they were addressed in several places in the New Testament (most notably in Acts 15). They are the doctrinal view that all Christians should worship on Saturday (as opposed to Sunday), should abstain from non-kosher foods, and that the Jewish holidays and festivals should still be observed. Adherence to these behaviors were explicitly commanded by God of the Hebrews in the Old Testament and most were from the book of Leviticus.
However, when Christ came He fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17-20) and “things which were a mere shadow of what was to come” were no longer applicable.
Here are verses which specifically address the Sabbath and Jewish holidays and festivals:
Colossians 2:16,17 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day–things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Romans 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
John 9:16 Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, “This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath ” But others were saying, “How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?” And there was a division among them.
Mark 2:27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”
If you read these verses without preconception (i.e., without a doctrine that you’re trying to rationalize), then their meaning is perfectly clear and self-explanatory. It’s wrong to consider someone as sinning because they don’t keep the Old Testament definition of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is made for man. If you want to consider every day holy then that’s fine. If you want to pick one day or a series of days as above others to worship God, then that’s fine, too. You won’t find any verses in the New Testament which contradict this.
Here are verses which specifically address food (in addition to Colossians 2:16,17):
Mark 7:18-20 And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.”
1 Timothy 4:3-5 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
Romans 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself
Colossians 2:20-23 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)–in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.
1 Corinthians 8:8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat.
Again, these verses are self-explanatory and you will find nothing in the New Testament which offers any contradictory stance concerning food. Jesus declared all foods clean. The dietary restrictions delineated in Leviticus no longer apply.
How Is It That You Compel The Gentiles To Live like Jews?
In Acts 15, Jewish Christians tried to get the Gentiles to follow their traditions. However, after a heated discussion between those who advocated having them observe Jewish customs and the Apostles (including Paul), they only advised them to keep a minimal set of rules. There was no mention of having them observe the Sabbath, restricting their diet to kosher foods, or observing Jewish holidays. In addition, in all of Paul’s epistles to the Gentiles, there is no mention of it. In fact, I can find no indication in the New Testament or in historical records of the early church of any time where Christian Gentiles were instructed to do so. If it is not mentioned much less commanded in the New Testament, why is it important for us to reinstitute it now?
Looking at these three issues brings to mind Galatians 2 where some Jews had secretly infiltrated the Gentile Christians in order to “spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.” When Paul met with the Apostles, Peter began to refuse to sit or speak with the Gentiles (which he would normally and which was against Jewish tradition) because he was trying to keep from offending the Jewish Christians who were present. But Paul wouldn’t let it slide:
Galatians 2:13-16 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.”
I find no evidence in the New Testament or in the early church histories where Gentile Christians worshipped on Saturday, ate only kosher foods, or observed Jewish holidays. Scripture clearly indicates that these subjects are a matter of personal choice and that we are not to allow anyone to try and bring us into bondage by saying that God’s Word says otherwise…
–Read the Whole Article – http://www.cyshift.com/false_doctrine.html
Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on October 14th, 2011 at 4:21 pm.
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| Erasing Hell: What God Said About Eternity, and the Things We’ve Made Up by Francis Chan and Preston Sprinkle David C. Cook, July 2010 192 pp., $14.99 |
Few books have generated as much theological conversation as Rob Bell’s Love Wins—and fewer still have sparked several response books within months of their appearance. Francis Chan, whose books Crazy Love and Forgotten God are still on bestseller lists, is a somewhat surprising addition to the pack with Erasing Hell. (Chan’s coauthor, Preston Sprinkle, is associate professor of biblical studies at Chan’s Eternity Bible College.) Christianity Today senior managing editor Mark Galli is the author of another of the response books, God Wins, and interviewed Chan last week.
In several places in your book, it’s clear that you are conflicted about even addressing this topic.
It’s weird. I’ve never felt a need to really respond to someone else’s writing. And yet reading Love Wins set a lot of things spinning in my mind. Some of it was concern, but some was doubt: Am I sure of what I believe? Let me go back and study. Several times in the middle of the night I couldn’t even sleep. I really believe the Lord wanted me to do this, but there is a wrestling on that point because I thought, “Gosh, that’s just not me. That’s not what I’m comfortable with. I really don’t think I’ll enjoy this at all. I’m not looking forward to all the backlash and everything else.”
The other side was that I was really hoping to discover some things I hadn’t discovered before—or maybe this was an opportunity to soften my stance on hell. I was hoping to find that in Scripture. And so when I didn’t it find it, it made me even more sick to my stomach.
[…]
When you say that your study caused you to realize that you had some sins to repent of, what type of things are you talking about?
As I reread the Gospel passages, Jesus’ words are much harsher than I remember. There’s a tone in some of the things that he said that are really difficult to stomach, and he says things in a way that I would not have.
Because we in America read certain passages over and over to the neglect of others, we start to believe that Jesus had a friendly tone all the time. And that there isn’t any wrath or anger or judgment. When you read it all like you are reading it for the first time, you walk away going, “Wow, he was pretty hardcore.”
Here’s what I had to repent of: I had felt the need to soften a lot of Jesus’ statements, because in my arrogance I think, “Okay Jesus, I’m not going to say that like that. Trust me, people will like you more and be more willing to accept you if I say it like this.” Obviously I’ve never said that to God. But that’s the attitude I’ve taken, and it made me sick. Who in the heck do I think I am? To think that I can make God more palatable or attractive if I try and change the tone in which he says some things. I know people say, “Well it’s just cultural this or that.” That’s garbage. People back then had a much deeper reverence for God than we do. Especially the religious community. Yet it’s to those people whom he speaks so harshly.
What in the world would he say to us today? I don’t think it’d be a softer message. I had to come before God and say, “Lord I feel sick.” And I confessed to Mark [Beuving, who edited the book] and Preston [Sprinkle, the coauthor] as we were working on the book, “I confess to you guys, I confess to the church, I know I have backed away from certain things because of my arrogance. I thought I could attract more people to Jesus by hiding certain things about him.” I had to confess my arrogance.
[…]
What do you think is the biggest misunderstanding contemporary Christians have about hell?
…the main thing is that we have tried to block [hell] out of our minds. Yet because it’s written about so often in Scripture, I think God does want it on the forefront.
[…]
I thought one of Rob Bell’s compelling statements was that sometimes we make the gospel sound like “Believe in Jesus or you’ll go to hell.” Which turns the gospel not into good news but into a threat. Have you thought about how we can talk about this reality without making it sound like a threat or spiritual extortion?
Well, that’s difficult. Because don’t you kind of get that when you read the Scriptures? That’s a struggle I have. When I read the Scriptures, it sure seems threatening. “Don’t fear man who can just kill your body. Fear God who can destroy your body and soul in hell.”
I see God in his love warning me of hell because he wants me to embrace him so badly. And I don’t see that as a bad thing. It’s like warning my kids about not being careful in crossing the street: “Do you understand what will happen?”
Related:
All of my Hell is Real — Forever Posts (Most recent listed first)
[WordPOWER!] 2 Peter 3: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT
Willful Ignorance: Actively Resisting the Truth & Truth-tellers
From Willful Ignorance through Cognitive Dissonance to “Could I Be Wrong?”
In Romans 7,
the Holy Spirit isn’t mentioned once.
“But 19 times, the Holy Spirit is mentioned,
because it’s a Spirit dominated life in chapter 8.”
– Leonard Ravenhill
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Rom. 7 vs 8 by Leonard Ravenhill
Uploaded by allensmith2000 on Dec 16, 2009
The Controversy between Romans Chapter 7 vs Chapter 8. The Results are clear as day light.
Related:
Bruce Ware: Christians are wrongly using Romans 7 to justify defeat in their lives!
Paul Furlong: How Romans 7 is unbiblically used to justify sinning
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63-Q8-1cqGM]The Romans Road Unedited (Conditional Security not Eternal Security) Dan Corner
Uploaded by gospel4u2 on May 31, 2011
The popular Romans Road, as most people know it, is really not complete, according to the book of Romans. The added passages from Romans help clarify more on salvation and bring a much more accurate picture to the listener’s minds.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
Related:
(Video) Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security
Dan Corner’s 801-page book: “The Believer’s Conditional Security”
John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!
(audio) Dan Corner: The parable of the sower — “Bringing forth fruit is a salvation issue”
Father of Calvinism, Augustine’s Prayer To Mary For His Salvation
Most of us have been approached by Jehovah’s Witnesses who try to convince us that Jesus is not God, among other things. Here are just some of the verses that prove otherwise.
It’s interesting that I have yet to meet a JW who discovered these ideas through their own study. They are taught doctrines of demons through The Watchtower magazine — direct from corporate headquarters.
Just like with once-saved-always-saved, the false doctrine of eternal security, Francis Chan’s words again prove true: Francis Chan: Are Your Beliefs Biblical? What would you believe if you had only read the Bible on your own?
People aren’t getting these ideas from their own studies. They’re passing around doctrines of demons, sending many to Hell — which the Jehovah’s Witnesses also don’t believe in.
…lies from Satan. Satan doesn’t want Jesus to be worshiped or obeyed.
jeff
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From: biblehelp.org/reference_2.htm
Reference Section 2: Verses Showing Jesus is God
Others viewed Jesus as God
1 Timothy 3:16 -Paul Said Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
John 20:28 -Thomas called Jesus God.
“And Thomas answered, and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”
Colossians 2:8,9 -Paul said Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
“…Christ. For in him dwelleth all of the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”
Titus 2:13 -Paul said Jesus was God.
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our savior, Jesus Christ.”
[…]
The Bible says Jesus is God
Hebrews 1:8 -God the Father said Jesus was God.
“Unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
Isaiah 9:6 -Jesus (the Messiah) is called the Mighty God.
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.”
Matthew 1:23 -Jesus is called Immanuel, which means “God with us.”
“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which, being interpreted, is God with us.”
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From: scripturecatholic.com/jesus_christ_divinity.html#jesus-V
V. Jesus Christ is Worshiped [without rebuke, unlike angels, which should never be worshiped – ed.]
Rev. 4:9-11; 5:8,12-14; 7:11-12 – both Jesus and the Father are worshiped. The Greek word for worship is “proskuneo” which always means the worship of God.
Matt. 2:2,11 – the magi who came to see the newborn Jesus came to worship Him.
Matt. 8:2 – a leper came to Jesus and worshiped Him without rebuke.
Matt. 14:33 – the apostles who were in the boat worshiped Jesus without rebuke.
Matt. 28:9 – Jesus’ disciples took His feet and worshiped Him without rebuke.
Matt. 28:17 – Jesus’ disciples saw Him and then worshiped Him.
Mark 5:6 – the man with the unclean spirit ran to Jesus and worshiped Him.
Luke 1:11 – Mary accepts Elizabeth’s declaration “the Mother of my Lord” = the Mother of my God (Elizabeth used the word “Adonai” which means “Lord God”).
Luke 24:52 – as Jesus ascended into heaven, the apostles worshiped Him.
John 9:38 – the blind man who was cured by Jesus worshiped Him.
John 20:28 – Jesus accepts Thomas’ statement “My Lord and my God!” Literally, “the Lord of me and the God of me!” (in Greek, “Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou”).
Related:
Logos in John 1: JESUS is GOD and Created All Things
11 New Testament Texts: HELL Is ETERNAL
Jesus Mentions Hell and Destruction in 46 Verses! — We don’t need to know Greek to be able to clearly see hell is real and eternal. We better beware and tell others too! – JWs don’t believe in what Jesus clearly taught about hell
Pastor DIES > goes to HELL because he HADN’T FORGIVEN his wife > AROSE from the dead almost 2 days later > tells story” href=”http://onecanhappen.com/2011/02/03/pastor-dies-goes-to-hell-because-he-hadnt-forgiven-his-wife-arose-from-the-dead-almost-2-days-later-tells-story/” rel=”bookmark”>
Pastor DIES > goes to HELL because he HADN’T FORGIVEN his wife > AROSE from the dead almost 2 days later > tells story
“We should test everything we hear, and see if it’s really in this book.”
– Francis Chan
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Is8QnxviOI]Francis Chan: Are Your Beliefs Biblical? (Crazy Love Chapter 5)
Uploaded by weswoodell on Sep 8, 2010
Related blog post: http://westcoastwitness.com/2010/09/09/francis-chan-are-your-beliefs-biblical/
This clip is an excerpt from chapter 5 of the Crazy Love DVD Study Resource designed for small groups reading Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God by Francis Chan.
Purchase the book and DVD here: http://www.crazylovebook.com/
I brought this over from ToBeFree.
Alex Jones is a talk show host trying to wake up people to tyranny being brought upon US by the globalists. He sees what is going on with ‘Christians’ too, who have been key supporters of globalist candidates like President George W. Bush, who have thrashed our country and the Constitution, just like Obama is doing.
The unbiblical pre-trib rapture doctrine is one of the main psyop ways Satan is able to convince ‘Christians’ that they don’t really have to follow Christ. Thus, America is falling fast, and it won’t be pretty for anyone.
The ‘Christians’ won’t get taken out before things get really bad.
I put ‘Christians’ in quotes, because most really aren’t, biblically. Most ‘Christians’ wouldn’t go even if there was a pre-trib rapture. See: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
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“Most of you [pre-trib-rapture-believing ‘Christians’]
are a bunch of torture loving,
war loving people,
who go along with tyranny,
and then never go out and protest abortion
because the world is ending next week.
It’s a big, sickening, psyop cop out.”
– Alex Jones
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omo3L-wNmmc]Preview of Today’s Alex Jones Show: Jerome Corsi, Bob Chapman & Demonizing Christians
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXQ2o09n9vw]The Alex Jones Show: A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing 1/2
Uploaded by TheAlexJonesChannel on May 20, 2011
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/
http://www.infowars.net/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2W6oS5jASw]
Related:
12 Reasons NOT To Expect a PRE-Trib Rapture
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbZYcRE-Fs]What’s wrong with today’s gospel Pt 1 (Eternal Security is false) No once saved always saved
Uploaded by gospel4u2 on Mar 28, 2008
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal-security.htm
Dan Corner exposes and refutes the false gospel and counterfeit grace of eternal security. Hear actual audio quotes from big name teachers and a sound biblical refutation of the devil’s lie of once saved always saved aka eternal security
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
or
http://www.noeternalsecurity.com
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ydu-yPPT0w]
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEyZBZrLdX4]
Related:
[Video] Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security
Dan Corner’s 801-page book: “The Believer’s Conditional Security”
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!
[Video] Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? (what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven)
(video) Dan Corner: True Grace Vs False Grace — Charles Stanley’s security in sin: “You cannot out-sin the grace of God” Vs Jesus: “He who endures to the end will be saved”
(video) Dan Corner: Prodigal Son — “My son was dead, and is alive again! He was lost, and is found!”
(cartoon) The Prodigal Son
(audio) Dan Corner: “If you’re lusting in your heart, you are an adulterer, and you won’t inherit the kingdom”
John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!
(audio) Dan Corner: The parable of the sower — “Bringing forth fruit is a salvation issue”
(video) The Grace Changers: Calvinist Mark Driscoll Exposed — “Mark Driscoll’s popularity is proof that we are in a deep dark church apostacy now!”
What about the thief on the cross? He wasn’t required to do works | ‘Sweaty ministry’ VS “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me…”
Father of Calvinism, Augustine’s Prayer To Mary For His Salvation
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VL95TDK9o4]Lutheran Infant Baptism (Original Sin) Is Unscriptural And A False Gospel
Uploaded by gospel4u2 on Jul 1, 2010
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/infantbaptism.htm Lutherans have a false gospel which is shown through their infant baptism. Do not be deceived by this practice.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuBatOP6Q7E]Form of Godliness – Social Gospel
Uploaded by gospel4u2 on Jul 9, 2009
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/form-of-godliness.htm Why No Revival? Why are there no evangelical pentecostal church revival fires? Many want genuine revival but do not see or comprehend the underlying problem.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
or
http://www.noeternalsecurity.com
Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
Grace. It’s now all about grace — we hear over and over and over.
But what does the Bible really say? And what is grace?
There is so much misunderstanding about how the new covenant is different than the old covenant. Much of this is due to the misinterpretation of the word ‘grace,’ and it’s way deeper than that.
Here I’ve compiled a list of the false statements I’ve been hearing from the grace changers (the false teachers of our day), who are teaching these as being the truth — ruining the church.
And this is what is destroying America.
I may add to the list if I think of more. Please comment with your suggestions too.
– Jeff Fenske
onecanhappen.com
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[FALSEHOOD] The requirements in the new covenant are less than in the old.
[THE TRUTH] What did Jesus say in Matthew 5, and what did Paul say in Acts 17?
[FALSEHOOD] Abiding in Christ doesn’t require us to actually abide in Christ. We’re legally in Christ merely because of what Jesus did — Romans 1a without the 1b (without verses 4 and 12-17 too)
[THE TRUTH] “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
What did Jesus say in John 15 about abiding — the opposite of the song, “Never Let Go”? Read in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
[FALSEHOOD] If born-again ‘Christians’ feel condemnation, it’s really only conviction. Condemnation is a lie from the Devil because: “There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus“ — Romans 1a without the 1b
[THE TRUTH] “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
[FALSEHOOD] People in the old covenant were under the law, but we are under “grace” — so they had to obey the law but we don’t have to obey anything (or Anyone).
[THE TRUTH] See: The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think?
[FALSEHOOD] The 10 Commandments were replaced by “grace + nothing.” Now we don’t have to do anything.
[THE TRUTH] Jesus superceded the 10 Commandments with the Greatest Two — a greater requirement, not less.
Matthew 22:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”
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Romans 13:
8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not give false testimony,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love doesn’t harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
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John 15:1-14
1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer. 2 Every branch in me that doesn’t bear fruit, he takes away. Every branch that bears fruit, he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already pruned clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, and I in you. As the branch can’t bear fruit by itself, unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you, unless you remain in me. 5 I am the vine. You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If a man doesn’t remain in me, he is thrown out as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you remain in me, and my words remain in you, you will ask whatever you desire, and it will be done for you. 8 “In this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; and so you will be my disciples. 9 Even as the Father has loved me, I also have loved you. Remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love. 11 I have spoken these things to you, that my joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be made full. 12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends, if you do whatever I command you.
[FALSEHOOD] Paul rebuked the Galatians for thinking they had to do works.
[THE TRUTH] Paul rebuked the Galatians for thinking they had to do the works of the law. In Galatians 5:13 – 6:10, Paul clearly explains what we now have to do in the new covenant. Read in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
[FALSEHOOD] In Romans 7, Paul couldn’t overcome sin as a born-again believer — so if we don’t overcome sin that is normal.
[THE TRUTH] Romans 7 was the struggle that Paul had before he was born-again, before he had the Holy Spirit in him to empower him to overcome as he says we must do in the following chapter to even be called children of God. People don’t read far enough — or just read what they want to read.
[FALSEHOOD] Paul didn’t get right with those he hurt so we don’t have to either.
[THE TRUTH] See: Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.”
[FALSEHOOD] The fear of God isn’t supposed to be fear but just reverence.
[THE TRUTH] Paul said “work out your salvation through fear and trembling. We should fear and tremble in what God will do to us if we don’t work out our own salvation by making sure we abide in Him.
Mt. 10:28 — “Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Hell.”
And is this merely reverence? Great fear came on the people when Ananias and Sapphira were killed by God. The people didn’t want to be also zapped. And many were added to their number too. Consider also what God said he would do to Jezebel and her children if she didn’t repent (Rev. 1).
[FALSEHOOD] It’s hard to lose one’s salvation.
[THE TRUTH] Read Revelation 3:1-5 in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? And the church in Sardis actually had a reputation for being alive, unlike almost every church today.
[FALSEHOOD] Once our names are in the Book of Life they can’t be removed.
[THE TRUTH] See how only a few in the church in Sardis would not have their names removed from the Book of Life. Read Revelation 3:1-5 in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? And the church in Sardis actually had a reputation for being alive, unlike almost every church today.
[FALSEHOOD] We can be lukewarm and still go to heaven.
[THE TRUTH] Revelation 3:15-16 — “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of my mouth.
[FALSEHOOD] But Jesus didn’t really mean that. A pastor recently said from the pulpit that he doesn’t believe a Christian can be deceived enough to lose his/her salvation.
[THE TRUTH] Paul said in Galatians 6:7,8 — “Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that will he also reap. For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”
In Galatians 5, Paul gave two lists: those who are Christ’s have the fruit of the Spirit, having crucified their flesh.
And then there are those who are bound for Hell.
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
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Therefore Jesus upped the ante, increased the requirements for us who now have the Holy Spirit in us to help us overcome. And overcome we must:
“Those who are led by the Spirit are the children of God.”
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Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
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“Remain in Me….”
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“Work out your salvation through fear and trembling.”
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“If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”
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“He who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”
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“Remain in me, and I in you.”
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“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
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“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,
who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
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