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[video] Francis Chan: Is Suffering Optional?

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

Francis Chan

“Let’s be extremely careful with the word of God…, because…we all have things that we just naturally want. Let’s be careful to not just do what we want and then justify it Biblically.”

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“How did John 3:16 get so popular? … Why don’t we make some of these other ones a little more popular?”

Related: [WordPOWER!] John 3:16 Means What?? 3:21,36 show that ‘BELIEVE’ means OBEY — “He who DOES the TRUTH comes to the light, that HIS WORKS may be REVEALED, that they have been DONE IN GOD.”

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“How come that didn’t make it into The 4 Spiritual Laws? How come when I became a Christian no one read that to me? How come it was all happy-verses that try to talk me into joining this church thing?”

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“All true followers of Jesus Christ will suffer.”

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“I don’t believe for a second that we don’t get persecuted because we live in America. We don’t get persecuted because we know how to dodge persecution.”

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“During this time of communion only take of the bread and the cup if you really believe that Jesus suffered for you and you’re ready to do the same in His name’s sake.”

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“Is Suffering Optional?”

As a “Christian” is suffering optional? Can we exist at peace and at ease with the world around us?
Francis Chan – Teacher Pastor
Author of “Crazy Love”
Cornerstone Simi Valley, CA
http://www.cornerstonesimi.com/

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Remember The Titans: Motivation to Become a Team! — "Take a lesson from the dead. If we don't COME TOGETHER right now on this hallowed ground, we too will be destroyed, just like they were."

“You listen,
and you take a lesson from the dead.

If we don’t come together right now on this hallowed ground,
we too will be destroyed,
just like they were.”

– Coach Boone (Denzel Washington)

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StIBPiMQQ28]Remember The Titans – Motivation to Become a Team!

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Francis Frangipane: Holiness Precedes Power | More of my experiences at Trinity and in the Vineyard Movement | Why did John and Chris Wimber die?

“A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful,
but holiness will precede power.”

– Francis Frangipane

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I read Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God, by Francis Frangipane during the Vineyard Movement, when I first attended Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in ’89-90.
It was so much fun to attend the Evanston Vineyard (where I bought Francis’ book) — the presence of God and the peace that passes all understanding was so evident.
The fire spread to other students, and Professor Wayne Grudem was wonderfully also involved.
The effect this was having on the students greatly angered many of the cessationist adhering faculty members. There were us smiling students and then there were the eyes that looked away as we approached on the campus sidewalks. It was almost like in the days of Jesus, how he was hated by the religious leaders while saying “blessed are the peacemakers.”
Some of the faculty even openly opposed the movement (writing papers), which died soon after I left, so that when I returned to Trinity a few years later things were back to dead-normal; though, TEDS did add a course finally in Systematic Theology on the person of the Holy Spirit: ST 5103 (603)!
When John Wimber and his son, Chris Wimber (head of Vineyard Music) physically died, I knew why: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable” I knew why when John was sick and couldn’t figure out why. “Christians” can be so mean, diabolical!

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

During the second time I studied at Trinity, I had a dream in which I was told that if I didn’t pray an hour a day (in tongues) that I wouldn’t make it. Here, God shows how this works: A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls). The gift discussed here is speaking in tongues, which unfortunately the Vineyard Movement largely ran from; even though, they embraced many of the other spiritual gifts, like healing and the word of knowledge. Had they embraced tongues, I think it’s probable that John and Chris would still be alive today. There is no doubt that John was hated fiercely by the old guard. Instead of admitting they were wrong, they James-3 cursed him. Many were Calvinists basically doing what their founder did:

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!

Some of us saw Francis Frangipane and John Wimber speak (I think even Jack Deere was there, former professor Dallas Theological Seminary — Dallas excludes those who believe in the gifts) in a Chicago auditorium at a Vineyard conference during this time, including Wayne Grudem. I discuss some of this here:

“The Perfect Storm” by John Paul Jackson. What to expect in the next 10 years. To overcome, we must be right with each other: “You must have clean hands and not harmed others. And if you have, you must repent so that you can be clean” | My experience at Trinity.

In this post, I state a key reason why I believe the movement died — the introduction of tithing. They built a new building at their headquarters in Los Angeles. Prior to this, they taught the people to be led by the Holy Spirit in giving, determining in their hearts what to give, like Paul actually taught:

The Day that Tithing Ended—To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Another key reason the Vineyard Movement died is that John Wimber, himself was a Calvinist. Vineyard did not teach the truth about who goes to heaven: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
In the ’90s, when the worship music died, there was much sin in the camp and they were still trying to worship God in song. People sought the gifts and not the Creator. Though, in the late ’80s, there was a strong holiness emphasis, influenced to a great degree by Francis Frangipane’s book: Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. And this is the main reason why God responded in signs and wonders during this period. The glory of God, His presence was so often evident.

May we get it right this time:

no tithing;

include tongues

and the truth about who goes to heaven.

jeff fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

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From: An email from Francis Frangipane

Holiness Precedes Power

Many Christians look for shortcuts to the power of God. To try shortcuts is to become, at best, frustrated; at worst, a false teacher or prophet. Listen very carefully: there is tremendous power for us in God but not without holiness. Holiness precedes power.

When John Saw Jesus

Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?” But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him. After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”        Matthew 3:13-17

Let us understand this prophet, John the Baptist. According to the Scriptures, John was filled with the Holy Spirit “while yet in his mother’s womb” (Luke 1:15). We are also told his coming was in the spirit and power of Elijah. Historians tell us that John’s penetrating, uncompromising ministry led nearly one million people to repentance. Vast multitudes left their cities and towns and went into the wilderness to hear the prophet and be baptized into repentance in preparation for the kingdom of God.

Only Jesus knew the fallen condition of the human heart more perfectly than John. No class of people escaped the Baptist’s judgment: soldiers and kings, sinners and religious leaders alike were all brought into the “valley of decision.” John’s baptism was more than a simple immersion in water. He required a public confession of sins as well as the bringing forth of righteousness (Matt. 3:6, 8).

Jesus testified that John was “more than a prophet.” He said, among those born of women, “there has not arisen anyone greater than John” (Matt. 11:9-11). John was a “seer prophet,” which meant he had open vision into the spirit realm. He testified that “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven” (John 1:32). He saw “the wrath to come” (Matt. 3:7). He witnessed “the kingdom of heaven” (v. 2). John had insight into the secrets of men’s hearts. His vision penetrated the veneer of the well-respected Pharisees; within their souls he saw a “brood of vipers.” Understand this about prophets: they are aware of things that are hidden from other men.

But when Jesus came to be baptized, before the heavens opened and the Holy Spirit descended, John saw something that was overwhelming even to his standard of righteousness. He gazed [into] Jesus’ heart, and he saw no sins, no lies, no lusts. John saw a level of holiness that, without knowing he was gazing at the Messiah, caused him to utter with astonishment, “I have need to be baptized by You” (v. 14).

Jesus, as the “Lamb of God” (John 1:36), was without spot or blemish. This is exactly what the prophet beheld in Jesus: spotless purity of heart. Christ’s virtue took John’s breath away! The powerful emanation of Christ’s inner purity made John immediately aware of his own need. When John saw Jesus, he discovered a level of righteousness that was higher, purer than his own. This great prophet looked into the heart of Jesus, and in the brightness of Christ’s holiness he cried, “I have need.”

And so it is with us. Each time we see Jesus, each successive revelation of Christ’s purity makes our need more apparent. As Christ’s holiness unfolds before us, we cannot but echo the same cry of John the Baptist: “I have need to be baptized by You!”

Yet, in the beginning of our walk, we embraced life in our own strength, trusting in our own skills for success and attainment. Yes, we turned to God, but mainly in times of grief or trial. However, as the Lord brings us into maturity, what we once considered strengths are actually discovered to be weaknesses. Our pride and self-confidence keep us from God’s help; the clamor of our many ideas and desires drown the whisper of the still small voice of God. Indeed, in God’s eyes, the best of human successes are still “wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked” (Rev. 3:17).

In time, we discover that all true strength, all true effectiveness–yes, our very holiness itself–begins with discovering our need. We grow weaker, less confident in our abilities. As the outer shell of self-righteousness crumbles, Jesus Himself becomes God’s answer to every man who cries for holiness and power in his walk.

We may think we have spiritual gifts, we may presume we are holy, we may rejoice with human successes, but until we see Christ and abandon our reliance upon our self-righteousness, all we will ever have, at best, is religion.

Oh, let us grasp this truth with both hands; let it never slip from us. Jesus Himself is our source of holiness! We are so eager to do something for Him–anything, as long as we do not have to change inside. God does not need what we can do; He wants what we are. He wants to make us a holy people. Let us not be anxious in this process. Allow Him to do the deep inner work of preparation. Jesus lived thirty years of sinless purity before He did one work of power! His goal was not to do some great work but to please the Father with a holy life.

Hear me; our goal, likewise, is not to become powerful but to become holy with Christ’s presence. God promises to empower that which He first makes holy. Do you want your Christianity to work? Then seek Jesus Himself as your source and standard of holiness. Do you want to see the power of God in your life? Then seek to know Christ’s purity of heart. If we are becoming the people Jesus calls His own, we should be growing in holiness. A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful, but holiness will precede power.

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The preceding article came from Pastor Frangipane’s first book, Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. This book was recently re-published by Charisma House. Look for the new edition to be in stores March 1. However, we still have a number of the previous edition, which has the same content. If you are interested in this powerful classic, we are making the old version available for just $4.95. This is available on a first-come, first-served basis as quantities are limited.

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Francis Chan Freedom Quotes!

Francis Chan

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“But God doesn’t call us to be comfortable. He calls us to trust Him so completely that we are unafraid to put ourselves in situations where we will be in trouble if He doesn’t come through”
— Francis Chan

“The irony is that while God doesn’t need us but still wants us, we desperately need God but don’t really want Him most of the time.”
— Francis Chan

“Our greatest fear should not be of failure but of succeeding at things in life that don’t really matter.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Lukewarm living and claiming Christ’s name simultaneously is utterly disgusting to God.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“We need to stop giving people excuses not to believe in God. You’ve probably heard the expression ‘I believe in God, just not organized religion’. I don’t think people would say that if the church truly lived like we are called to live.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“I believe He wants us to love others so much that we go to extremes to help them.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“God’s definition of what matters is pretty straightforward. He measures our lives by how we love.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Can you worship a God who isn’t obligated to explain His actions to you? Could it be your arrogance that makes you think God owes you an explanation?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

[Y]ou have to stop loving and pursuing Christ in order to sin. When you are pursuing love, running toward Christ, you do not have opportunity to wonder, *Am I doing this right?* or *Did I serve enough this week?* When you are running toward Christ, you are freed up to serve, love, and give thanks without guilt, worry or fear. As long as you are running, you’re safe.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Both worry and stress reek of arrogance.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“From start to finish, this movie is obviously about God. He is the main character. How is is possible that we live as though it is about us?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“He wants all or nothing. The thought of a person calling himself a ‘Christian’ without being a devoted follower of Christ is absurd.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“When I am consumed by my problems-stressed out about my life, my family, and my job-I actually convey the belief that I think the circumstances are more important than God’s command to always rejoice.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“…when we love God, we naturally run to Him-frequently and zealously. Jesus didn’t command that we have a regular time with Him each day. Rather, He tells us to ‘love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ He called this the ‘first and greatest commandment’ (Matt. 22:37-38). The results are intimate prayer and study of His Word. Our motivation changes from guilt to love.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Are we in love with God or just His stuff?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“We don’t get to decide who God is.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“He does not have to know us so well, but He chooses to.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“This book is written for those who want more Jesus. It is for those who are bored with what American Christianity offers. It is for those who don’t want to plateau, those who would rather die before their convictions do.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“We are a culture that relies on technology over community, a society in which spoken and written words are cheap, easy to come by, and excessive. Our culture says anything goes; fear of God is almost unheard of. We are slow to listen, quick to speak, and quick to become angry.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“The irony is that while God doesn’t need us but still wants us, we desperately need God but don’t really want Him most of the time. He treasures us and anticipates our departure from this earth to be with Him-and we wonder, indifferently, how much we have to do for Him to get by.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Lukewarm people love others but do not seek to love others as much as they love themselves.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“God’s art speaks of Himself, reflecting who He is and what He is like.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Lukewarm people think about life on earth much more often than eternity in heaven.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“No worship is better than apathetic worship.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Christians today like to play it safe. We want to put ourselves in situations where we are safe ‘even if there is no God.’ But if we truly desire to please God, we cannot live that way.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Allow God to be as creative with you as He is with each of us.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“…our concern is more about going to heaven than loving the King.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“The concept of downsizing so that others might upgrade is biblical, beautiful…and nearly unheard of. We either close the gap or don’t take the words of the Bible literally.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

‎”Do you know that nothing you do in this life will ever matter, unless it is about loving God and loving the people he has made?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

Related:
Francis Chan Freedom Quotes: Lukewarm People — “Lukewarm people call ‘radical’ what Jesus expected of ALL His followers.” — “Lukewarm people feel secure because they attend church, made a profession of faith at age twelve, were baptized, come from a Christian family, vote Republican….” & More
Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God at Amazon [paperback, Kindle, and audio editions]
Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. “There’s a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND.” “There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it.” “Let’s go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR.”
John Tesh & Friends [including Francis]: How Important is FORGIVENESS in a Relationship? | FORGIVING: Our GREATEST OPPORTUNITY to SHOW the LOVE of Christ!
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
All of my Francis Chan posts (10 posts per page; latest appear first)

Ron Paul: "COURAGE begins with a commitment TO SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE, rather than how we wish they were."

“Courage begins with a commitment
to see things as they are,
rather than how we wish they were.”

– Ron Paul

(source)

Rich Mullins: "It's okay to be lonely as long as you're free"

Elijah

By Rich Mullins
(1955-97)

The Jordan is waiting for me to cross through
My heart is aging I can tell
So Lord, I’m begging
For one last favor from You
Here’s my heart take it where You will

This life has shown me how we’re mended
And how we’re torn
How it’s okay to be lonely as long as you’re free
Sometimes my ground was stoney
And sometimes covered up with thorns
And only You could make it what it had to be
And now that it’s done
Well, if they dressed me like a pauper
Or if they dined me like a prince
If they lay me with my fathers
Or if my ashes scatter on the wind
I don’t care

CHORUS:
But when I leave I want to go out like Elijah
With a whirlwind to fuel my chariot of fire
And when I look back on the stars
Well, It’ll be like a candlelight in Central Park
And it won’t break my heart to say goodbye

There’s people been friendly
But they’d never be your friends
Sometimes this has bent me to the ground
Now that this is all ending
I want to hear some music once again
‘Cause it’s the finest thing I have ever found

But the Jordan is waiting
Though I ain’t never seen the other side
They say you can’t take in
The things you have here
So on the road to salvation
I stick out my thumb and He gives me a ride
And His music is already falling on my ears

There’s people been talking
They say they’re worried about my soul
Well, I’m here to tell you I’ll keep rocking
‘Til I’m sure it’s my time to roll
And when I do

Related:
It’s Okay To Be Lonely For Now: The Spiral Staircase Vision

Max Lucado: A Citadel for All Christians —"In his last prayer Jesus prayed that you and I be one. … Could it be that unity is the key to reaching the world for Christ? If unity is the key to evangelism shouldn’t it have precedence in our prayers?"

From: MaxLucado.com

On the last night of his life Jesus prayed a prayer that stands as a citadel for all Christians:

I pray for these followers, but I am also praying for all those who will believe in me because of their teaching. Father, I pray that they can be one. As you are in me and I am in you, I pray that they can also be one in us. Then the world will believe that you sent me. (John 17:20)

How precious are these words. Jesus, knowing the end is near, prays one final time for his followers. Striking, isn’t it, that he prayed not for their success, their safety, or their happiness.

He prayed for their unity. He prayed that they would love each other.

As he prayed for them, he also prayed for “those who will believe because of their teaching.” That means us! In his last prayer Jesus prayed that you and I be one.

The Command of Acceptance

Of all the lessons we can draw from this verse, don’t miss the most important: Unity matters to God. The Father does not want his kids to squabble. Disunity disturbs him. Why? Because “all people will know that you are my followers if you love each other” (John 13:35). Unity creates belief. How will the world believe that Jesus was sent by God? Not if we agree with each other. Not if we solve every controversy. Not if we are unanimous on each vote. Not if we never make a doctrinal error. But if we love one another.

Unity creates belief. Disunity fosters disbelief. Who wants to board a ship of bickering sailors? Life on the ocean may be rough, but at least the waves don’t call us names.

Paul Billheimer may very well be right when he says:

“The continuous and widespread fragmentation of the Church has been the scandal of the ages. It has been Satan’s master strategy. The sin of disunity probably has caused more souls to be lost than all other sins combined.”2

“All people will know that you are my followers if you love each other.” Stop and think about this verse for a minute. Could it be that unity is the key to reaching the world for Christ?

If unity is the key to evangelism, shouldn’t it have precedence in our prayers? Shouldn’t we, as Paul said, “make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace” (Eph. 4:3 NW)? If unity matters to God, then shouldn’t unity matter to us? If unity is a priority in heaven, then shouldn’t it be a priority on earth?

Entire Article Here
Related:
Let Us Be ONE — a 34-part prophecy

Max Lucado: "Forgive and give as if it were your last opportunity . . ."

From: goodreads.com…

“Forgive and give as if it were your last opportunity.
Love like there’s no tomorrow,
and if tomorrow comes,
love again.”

Max Lucado
(Every Day Deserves a Chance: Wake Up to the Gift of 24 Hours)

Steve Quayle on 'Coast' 1/6/11 quotes: Christians are supposed to be the salt of the earth. Salt preserves. "The reason the Illuminati are taking over is the pulpits are powerless and the people have no teaching." | It's frustrating to be ahead of time when no one seems to want to listen until it's too late.

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from Coast to Coast AM 1/6/11

“For the Christians who are to be the salt of the earth, salt preserves….

I submit to you that the reason the Illuminati are taking over is, number one: … the pulpits are powerless and the people have no teaching, and the people don’t understand.

It’s like if I put the most powerful weapon in someone’s hands and they don’t know how to use it it won’t do them any good. …

Why does evil triumph over good? Because the good fails to exert the power that God’s given it. …

There was a time when we were the salt of the earth and good held back evil.”

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No word of God spoken by any word of God to the people of God in all the history of God’s people is ever received by the people of God by the man of God who speaks it at any time. …

God’s people never believe him at the time he speaks it. Only in retrospect do all men see clearly.”

* * *

“It’s tough to be ahead of time, and then wait for everyone to catch up, and then be frustrated during that time.”

[Related: My notes: R. T. Kendall’s 4th message at Muldoon A of G: On being tomorrow’s man or woman | Being thankful for everything! | The most neglected teaching on the Holy Spirit: The dove is a very shy, sensitive bird. You can be in a car and someone is driving so slow in front of you and the Dove just flies away. Or “I’m just telling the truth,” but the Dove flies away. Let’s learn to get the Dove to come down and maybe the FIRE will fall!]

– Steve Quayle

Steve quoted Hosea 4:

1 Hear the word of Yahweh, you children of Israel; for Yahweh has a charge against the inhabitants of the land: “Indeed there is no truth, nor goodness, nor knowledge of God in the land.

2 There is cursing, lying, murder, stealing, and committing adultery; they break boundaries, and bloodshed causes bloodshed.

3 Therefore the land will mourn, and everyone who dwells therein will waste away. all living things in her, even the animals of the field and the birds of the sky; yes, the fish of the sea also die.

—–
Related:
Coast to Coast AM’s Recap

‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not? — The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest reaction yet on our Facebook page…

From: johnthebaptisttv.com (Andrew Strom)

‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not?

The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest
reaction yet on our Facebook page. We are now discussing it on
our new website – where ANYONE can now comment (not just
members). Here is the quote and a few replies to kick things off!-

The QUOTE:

“Get rid of this bunkum about the ‘carnal Christian’. Forget it! If
you’re carnal, you’re not saved.” – Leonard Ravenhill.

Some REPLIES:

A.M – “Well the Bible is white and black, there is no gray, either
you’re with Christ or you are against Him.
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather
with me, scatters.””

R.B – “I have enjoyed reading through all the comments regarding
this qoute. In my opinion, and correct me if am wrong Andrew, but
I feel that the meaning of this qoute is refing to those who habitually
live in carnality. I think that every Christian falls into carnallity from
time to time, does that make them “unsaved”? I don’t think so.”

L.C – “Well I don’t agree on this one! The Bible speaks of carnal
“Christians”! In 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 Paul is speaking to the
Corinthian BELIEVERS when he tells them he couldn’t speak to
them as spiritual (one governed by the Spirit) but as carnal, mere
infants in Christ.”

A.M – “If you read 1 corinthians Paul is rebuking them for
being carnal, not condoning it.”

Olive Branch – “Without the phrase (‘Carnal Christian’) many so
called Christians have no way of justifying their sin.”

– Have something important to say on this?
Please add your comment below-

Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on May 5th, 2010 at 1:26 am.
185 comments

Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way  | Who are the Children of God?

[Willfully ignorant] Dr. Doug Rokke: People won't acknowledge what the US has really done because the foundation for everything they've believed and what they've trusted literally collapses…

What my pastor has said…,
people won’t acknowledge it* because
the foundation for everything they’ve believed
and what they’ve trusted literally collapses.
And then their life goes and shatters.

– Dr. Doug Rokke

* Dr. Doug Rokke: Radiating our troops and their civilians with ‘depleted’ uranium — “God is not mocked: what we sow we shall reap”

Related:
Psychologists Explain 911 Denial: Fear, Pride, Exceptionalism… (Why aren’t most people willing to even look at what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven — the most important issue?!)
Almost 2 hours with Gerald Celente: “People don’t want to believe that their country is going under. They don’t want to admit that they’ve been had.” “You’re going to start seeing a thinning of the herd. And the people that are going to move forward and make it will be that 20%.”
From Willful Ignorance through Cognitive Dissonance to “Could I Be Wrong?”
Willful Ignorance: Actively Resisting the Truth and Truth-tellers
WordPower: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT
More of what’s really going on is at my other freedom site: ToBeFree

Jim Caviezel: Born to stand out!

“You weren’t made to fit in.
You were born to stand out.”

– Jim Caviezel

Talking on TBN about The Word of Promise audio Bible
transcribed by me

I’m not a big TBN fan, at all,
but this discussion with Caviezel was excellent!

There’s something really special about this guy!

Related:

Richard Dreyfuss (plays Moses in THE WORD OF PROMISE AUDIO BIBLE) interviewed by Tavis: The dread he feels about America’s future, one man owns half of the news media, “If you’re against the policy, you’re against the troops,” DARKness and LIGHTkeepers!

[Photo] My Car: NOHATE

My ’95 talon

Paul Craig Roberts: The Collapse Of Western Morality — "Americans will be the first people sent straight to Hell while thinking that they are the salt of the earth"

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

– Jesus

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Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

From: Rense

The Collapse Of Western Morality
By Paul Craig Roberts

…permit me to acknowledge that the US dropped nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities, fire-bombed Tokyo, that Great Britain and the US fire-bombed Dresden and a number of other German cities, expending more destructive force, according to some historians, against the civilian German population than against the German armies, that President Grant and his Civil War war criminals, Generals Sherman and Sheridan, committed genocide against the Plains Indians, that the US today enables Israel’s genocidal policies against the Palestinians, policies that one Israeli official has compared to 19th century US genocidal policies against the American Indians, that the US in the new 21st century invaded Iraq and Afghanistan on contrived pretenses, murdering countless numbers of civilians, and that British prime minister Tony Blair lent the British army to his American masters, as did other NATO countries, all of whom find themselves committing war crimes under the Nuremberg standard in lands in which they have no national interests, but for which they receive an American pay check.

I don’t mean these few examples to be exhaustive. I know the list goes on and on. Still, despite the long list of horrors, moral degradation is reaching new lows. The US now routinely tortures prisoners, despite its strict illegality under US and international law, and a recent poll shows that the percentage of Americans who approve of torture is rising. Indeed, it is quite high, though still just below a majority.

And we have what appears to be a new thrill: American soldiers using the cover of war to murder civilians. Recently American troops were arrested for murdering Afghan civilians for fun and collecting trophies such as fingers and skulls. …

The US government, a font of imperial hubris [def. – excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance], does not believe that any act it commits, no matter how vile, can possibly be a war crime. One million dead Iraqis, a ruined country, and four million displaced Iraqis are all justified, because the “threatened” US Superpower had to protect itself from nonexistent weapons of mass destruction that the US government knew for a fact were not in Iraq and could not have been a threat to the US if they were in Iraq. …

Some sports teams now have a win-at-all-cost attitude that involves plans to injure the star players of the opposing teams. …

Americans will be the first people sent straight to Hell while thinking that they are the salt of the earth. The Americans have even devised a title for themselves to rival that of the Israelis’ self-designation as “God’s Chosen People.” The Americans call themselves “the indispensable people.”

Entire Article Here
For more of what’s really going on, check out my extensive research at ToBeFree
Who really goes to heaven? Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Kevin Conner: Doctrine Determines the Health of the Church

So what does this say about what’s required for full revival to happen?

My answer, below.

– jeff

“Good doctrine produces
good Christians and good churches.

Bad doctrine or no doctrine produces
weak Christians and weak churches.”

Kevin Conner, theologian —
one of my teachers at Abbott Loop’s Bible School in 1984

Quote transcribed by myself
from Rick Benjamin’s PowerPoint slide
during last night’s introduction
to the doctrinal classes that ALCC is now offering.

* * *

Could we then say that:

“The false doctrine of eternal security produces
false ‘Christians’ and false churches.

Whereas:

“Great doctrine produces
great Christians and great churches…

the Third Great Awakening?!!!!!!!”

Related:

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

Charles Finney: ETERNAL SECURITY is a TICKET TO HELL — “If a person gets the idea that because he is converted therefore he will assuredly go to heaven, that man will almost assuredly go to hell”

Charles Finney (1835): Instruction of Young Converts — “AIM AT BEING PERFECT. It should be their constant purpose to live wholly to God…. IF THEY SHOULD SIN it would be an inconsistency…. THEY OUGHT NOT TO SIN AT ALL; they are bound to be as holy as God is. And young converts should be taught to set out in the right course OR THEY WILL NEVER BE RIGHT”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT

John Wooden: “Failure to prepare is preparing to fail”

Failure to prepare
is preparing to fail.

– John Wooden

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Related:

Gerald Celente:
“If you prepare for the worst and nothing happens…”

My Favorite John Wooden Quotes

John Wooden Quotes

Compiled by Jeff Fenske
ToBeFree

Success
is peace of mind
which is a direct result of
self-satisfaction in knowing
you did your best to become
the best you are capable of becoming.”


Never try to be better than someone else.
Learn from others,
and try to be the best you can be.
Success is the by-product of that preparation.”

Happiness begins where selfishness ends.”

“It’s the little details that are vital.
Little things make big things happen.”

Be quick, but don’t hurry.”

“There is nothing stronger than gentleness.”

Failure to prepare is preparing to fail.”

Make every day your masterpiece. “

“I always tried to make clear that basketball is not the ultimate. It is of small importance in comparison to the total life we live. There is only one kind of life that truly wins, and that is the one that places faith in the hands of the Savior. Until that is done, we are on an aimless course that runs in circles and goes nowhere.”
Be prepared and be honest.”
“Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there.”
“Don’t measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but what you should have accomplished with your ability.”
“Things turn out best for people who make the best out of the way things turn out.”
“There are many things that are essential to arriving at true peace of mind, and one of the most important is faith, which cannot be acquired without prayer.”
“It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit.”
Discipline yourself and others won’t need to.”
The best thing a father can do for his children is to love their mother.”
The true test of a man’s character is what he does when no one is watching.”
Tell the truth. That way you don’t have to remember a story.”
Listen if you want to be heard
“Although there is no progress without change, not all change is progress.”
If we magnified blessings as much as we magnify disappointments, we would all be much happier.”
“Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be.”
“Success is never final, failure is never fatal. It’s courage that counts.”
If you’re not making mistakes, then you’re not doing anything. I’m positive that a doer makes mistakes.”

“For an athlete to function properly, he must be intent. There has to be a definite purpose and goal if you are to progress. If you are not intent about what you are doing, you aren’t able to resist the temptation to do something else that might be more fun at the moment.”

Talent is God given. Be humble.
Fame is man-given. Be grateful.
Conceit is self-given. Be careful.”

“The most important key to achieving great success is to decide upon your goal and launch, get started, take action, move.”
“It is most difficult, in my mind, to separate any success, whether it be in your profession, your family, or as in my case, in basketball, from religion.”
Material possessions, winning scores, and great reputations are meaningless in the eyes of the Lord, because He knows what we really are and that is all that matters.”
“The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.”
Don’t let yesterday take up too much of today.”
“You can’t let praise or criticism get to you. It’s a weakness to get caught up in either one.”
Success comes from knowing that you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming.”
“Although I wanted my players to work to win, I tried to convince them they had always won when they had done their best.”
Consider the rights of others before your own feelings,
and the feelings of others before your own rights
.”
“Never make excuses. Your friends don’t need them and your foes won’t believe them.”
“Winning takes talent, to repeat takes character.”
“Never mistake activity for achievement.”
Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are.”
If I were ever prosecuted for my religion, I truly hope there would be enough evidence to convict me.”

“Remember this your lifetime through:
Tomorrow there will be more to do.
And failure waits for all who stay
With some success made yesterday.
Tomorrow you must try once more,
And even harder than before
.”

Related:
“No Hate,” Himself (John Wooden) Recognized as the Greatest Coach! Why?
John Wooden’s Pyramid of Success
All of my LEADERSHIP posts at ToBeFree



John Wooden – An Intergalactic Treasure! "Be quick, but don't hurry" — "Failure to prepare is preparing to fail" — "Happiness begins when selfishness ends" …

“This is really someone who is an intergalactic treasure!”

– Bill Walton

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1WOjpegGyA]John Wooden – Intergalactic Treasure

Related:
“No Hate,” Himself (John Wooden) Recognized as the Greatest Coach! Why?

The Heart-Bath Video: Forgiveness and the Freedom of Letting Go

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VMZb8wLY]Forgiveness and the Freedom of Letting go

Forgiveness is the mental, emotional and/or spiritual process of ceasing to feel resentment, indignation or anger against another person for a perceived offense, difference or mistake, or ceasing to demand punishment or restitution

Restoring Real Christianity: "Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago."

“Ignorant men raise questions
that wise men answered a thousand years ago.”

– Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Hatred church-health gauge: "Hatred is something peculiar. You will always find it strongest and most violent where there is the lowest degree of culture."

“Hatred is something peculiar. You will always find it strongest and most violent where there is the lowest degree of culture.”

– Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lust freedom: "He only earns his freedom and his life who takes them every day by storm."

“He only earns his freedom and his life
who takes them every day by storm.”

– Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence,
and the violent take it by force.”

– Jesus (Matthew 11:12)

When false doctrines reign: "Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time…. Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side."

Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude.

In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side.”

– Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Goeth: "Truth … lies in the depth where few are willing to search for it.”

“It is easier to perceive error than to find truth, for the former lies on the surface and is easily seen, while the latter lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it.”

– Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Related:
Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it WAS PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”
Willful Ignorance: Actively Resisting the Truth & Truth-tellers
[WordPOWER!] 2 Peter 3: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT
From Willful Ignorance through Cognitive Dissonance to “Could I Be Wrong?”
[Willfully ignorant] Dr. Doug Rokke: People won’t acknowledge what the US has really done because the foundation for everything they’ve believed and what they’ve trusted literally collapses…
[FreedomQuote] ‎”I Would Rather Know The Ugly Truth Than A Beautiful Lie”
[FreedomQuote] “It’s hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.”
[FreedomQuote] Patrick Henry: “For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.” — I’ll take the red pill, thank you, to totally live in reality no matter what! FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeee——————DOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Psychologists Explain 911 Denial: Fear, Pride, Exceptionalism… (Why aren’t most people willing to even look at what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven — the most important issue?!)
Gandhi: Widespread Belief Doesn’t Make an Error True
HeartQuotes: Truth — “A thing does not therefore cease to be true because it is not accepted by many” – Spinoza
“Truth … lies in the depth where few are willing to search for it.”

Mike Bickle: The most miserable people in the whole earth = TOO MUCH GOD TO ENJOY SIN; TOO MUCH SIN TO ENJOY GOD. WholeHEARTedness: it's the only way we can function right.

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from IHOP’s Passion for Jesus webcast, part 4, 4/9/10, Friday afternoon

“There’s so many believers trying to have just enough God to get into the kingdom, but just enough sin so they can stay in their same social circle.

Too much God to enjoy sin; too much sin to enjoy God.

It’s really true. The most miserable people in the earth are people with false doctrines of grace, where they see grace as permission to keep compromising — instead of grace as God’s forgiveness when we repent, and then empowering us to wholeheartedness.

Wholeheartedness: it’s the only way we can function right. We were made by God to be wholehearted. If we don’t have something to do for we have nothing to live for.

We can’t live half-hearted. We’ll die of boredom. And many are dying spiritually of boredom. They won’t go all the way.”

– Mike Bickle

William Penn: “Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants”

“Men must be governed by God
or they will be ruled by tyrants”


“Where God does not govern,
tyrants will rule”

– William Penn

Patrick Henry: When a people forget God, tyrants forge their chains

“Bad men cannot make good citizens.

It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.

A vitiated [debased – ed.] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience is incompatible with freedom [FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee———–DOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! – ed.].

No free government or the blessings of liberty can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles [sound doctrine – ed.].”

— Patrick Henry

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Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, Give me liberty or give me death. But in current textbooks the context of these words is deleted.

Here is what he said:

“An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death.”

These sentences have now been erased from our textbooks.

• • •

Was Patrick Henry a Christian? These are the words he wrote shortly before his death:

“I have disposed of all my property to my family. There is one thing more I wish I could give to them, and that is the Christian religion. If they had that and I had not given them one cent, they would be rich. If they have not that, and I had given them the world, they would be poor.”

(source)

Jaye Thomas [IHOP real-worship leader]: "We join with the four living creatures. We sing the song that the angels sing. We want to know what they know. We want to see what they see when they cry 'holy, holy, holy!'"

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from IHOP’s 24/7 Prayer Room, 3/14/09, early AM while the janitor vacuumed

There is One seated on the throne, He is God,
seated on the throne, and He is holy
.

“We join with the four living creatures.
We sing the song that the angels sing.
We want to know what they know.
We want to see what they see when they cry holy, holy, holy!

We sing holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty.
We sing holy, holy, holy is the Lamb!

– Jaye Thomas, IHOP worship leader

A Prayer Sung at IHOP (wonderful, yet partly problematic. "There's too much telling God what to do"): "Turn my eyes from worthless things, even the permissible that's not beneficial. Fill me with life."

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from a prayer sung during worship/intercession with Matt Gilman (who is on fire right now, having been touched big-time regarding his prophetic anointing on Saturday night at the IHOPU Awakening) at the IHOP Prayer Room, 2/23/10.
.

Turn my eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.

Fill me with life.
.

This concept is wonderful, spending our time only on what’s beneficial, which is why I posted this. But I have this reservation, which I think is significant.
In my opinion, there is too much asking (even telling) God to do things for us that He has already empowered us to do.
I know I’m being picky here, but it’s been something that has concerned me for many years. Why are we putting the this on God? Why are we asking Him to do something He’s already promised He would help us do?
Whose responsibility is it to turn our eyes? Ours or God’s?
God gives us the grace (those of us who are born-again), He will always give us the power of the Holy Spirit so we will be able to turn our own eyes.
He won’t do it for us, but He’ll help us and empower us to do it, by His grace.
And regarding asking/telling God: “Fill me with life.”
He already promised He would respond in this way:
“Draw near to God and He’ll draw near to you.” (James 4)
He will. We don’t have to ask Him to, tell Him to, beg Him to. He will when we draw near to Him in holiness, right with each other — worshiping Him in Spirit and in truth.
It’s automatic. “We don’t have to work it up.” We need to prepare a place for Him.
He will draw near to us when we truly will draw near to Him — worshiping Him in Spirit and in truth
We’re living in the new covenant now. The Holy Spirit is in us 24/7, ready to go.
I would prefer these versions:

Let’s turn our eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.

Thank you for filling us with life.

Or

We turn our eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.

We look to You as the source of life.
.

How did they do it at the Asbury Revival when God showed up BIG-TIME?

Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”
Let’s get right with each other and then we can worship!!!
Mt. 5:

23 “If therefore you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Wes Hall: "God can deliver us from everything except an unrepentant heart." Let's forgive and be free!

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOPU Student Awakening, 2/17/10

“God can deliver us from everything except an unrepentant heart.

I felt like there’s some in this room tonight,
you need to repent of bitterness.

You’ve allowed a root of bitterness to grow up in you….

Beloved, that bitterness not only defiles your own spirit,
but it defiles many.

The Bible says, the book of Hebrews said:
Do not allow a root of bitterness to grow up
that would defile many
[via James-3 curses – ed.].”

– Wes Hall, IHOP revivalist — good guy!!!

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