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Hating, unforgiving, James-3 cursing, Biblically disqualified MARTIN LUTHER: “When I die, I WANT TO BE A GHOST…So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until that they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had before with a thousand living ones.”

Source: pbs.org/empires/martinluther/about_relu.html

“When I die, I want to be a ghost…So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until that they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had before with a thousand living ones.”

– Martin Luther

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Source: archive.org/stream/grisarsluther04grisuoft/grisarsluther04grisuoft_djvu.txt

NIHIL OBSTAT

C. SCHUT, D.D.,

Censor Deputatus.

IMPRIMATUR

EDM. CAN. SURMONT,

Vic. Gen.
Westmonasterii, die 23 Novembris, 1914-

LUTHER

BY

HARTMANN GRISAR, SJ.

PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF INNSBRUCK

AUTHORISED TRANSLATION FROM THE GERMAN BY

E. M. LAMOND

EDITED BY

LUIGI CAPPADELTA

VOLUME IV

LONDON
KEGAN PAUL, TRENCH, TRUBNER & CO, LTD.

BROADWAY HOUSE, 68-74 CARTER LANE, E.G.
1915

[…]

In his tract of 1531 against Duke George he boasted,
that people would in future say, that “his mouth was
full of angry words, vituperation and curses on the Papists” ;
that “he intended to go down to his grave cursing and
abusing the miscreants” j 1 that as long as breath remained
in him he would “pursue them to their grave with his
thunders and lightnings” ; 2 again, he says he will take
refuge in his maledictory prayer against the Papists in order
to “kindle righteous hatred in his heart,” and even expounds
and recommends this prayer in mockery to his opponent 3
in all this we detect an abnormal feature which characterises
his life and temper. This abnormity is apparent not only
in the intense seriousness with which he utters the most
outrageous things, more befitting a madman than a reason
able being, but also at times in the very satires to which he
has recourse. That the Papacy would have still more to
suffer from him after he was dead, is a prophecy on which
he is ever harping : “When I die,” he remarks, “I shall
turn into a spirit that will so plague the bishops, parsons
and godless monks, that one dead Luther will give them
more trouble than a thousand living Luthers.” 4

No theological simile is too strange for him in this morbid
state of mind and feeling. As in the case of those obsessed
by a fixed idea the delusion is ever obtruding itself under
every possible shape, so, in a similar way, every thought, all

1 ” Werke,” Weim. ed., 30, 3, p. 470; Erl. ed., 25 2 , p. 127. 2 Ibid.

3 Ibid. See above, p. 208. Cp. Cordatus, ” Tagebuch,” p. Ill :
” Quandofrigeo in corde . . . oppono contra me impictatem papce,” etc.;
” Werke,” Erl. ed., 60, p. 107 f. ; ” Colloq.,” ed. Bindseil, 2, p. 294.

4 Schlaginhaufen, ” Aufzeichnungen,” p. 74.

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Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

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Martin Luther actually ended up being crazy;
though, his false-salvation doctrine is taught by most pastors today.
…destroyed by his own doctrine,
which is destroying US.

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Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

Reverse-Christian LUTHER: “To Kill a Peasant is Not Murder… Crush them! Cut their throats! … To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog! If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can: stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” • “Like the mules who will not move unless you perpetually whip them with rods, so the civil powers must drive the common people. Whip, choke, hang, burn, behead and torture them, that they may learn to fear the powers that be”

LUTHER: ‘Heretics’ Should Be Executed — Melanchthon drafted a memorandum demanding death for ALL ANABAPTISTS and Luther signed it!

All of my Luther Didn’t Get It posts (Latest appear first)

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are you willing to say “anything” God asks you to?

[video] David Icke: The Hassle-Free Zone — When you’re on the edge of the hassle-free zone, most people, even if they put their toe out there…

WARNING/DISCLAIMER: Unlike what David Icke says, there is absolute truth, and I personally want to find it and fully live in it, where life is. But the lording-it-over-us gatekeepers allow themselves to be driven by dark forces to pressure us to stay within their imposed parameters — which keep us in bondage where darkness is, away from the truth and light.

If we do what we know is right to do, and go where we know is right to go, regardless of their reaction (many bullies actually pray against us, what I call James-3 curses to keep us in our place, to even make us physically sick), we’ll break FREE from their parameters which are keeping the real thing from happening.

When enough of us break out of the matrix great change can happen and we can be FREE!

Please watch this, being aware of what I said here about David’s teachings:

Jeff Fenske: My Perspective on Real-Historian David Icke | [Don McLean ‘Vincent’ (Starry, Starry Night) music video] Tribute to Real Historian (still living) David Icke: Perhaps They’ll Listen — “…How you tried to set them free. They would not listen, they’re not listening still. Perhaps they never will.”

David is on the right track. He sees evangelical ‘Christians’ as a major force that drives the immoral wars and the police state, which are key ingredients to the one-world dictatorship. But David doesn’t realize that this is really reverse-Christianity — the opposite of what God wants us to do as peacemakers.

For example, almost certainly, David Icke likes Ron Paul a lot, who is a professing Christian (though he intentionally doesn’t wear it on his sleeve in order to get votes), and also acts like one.

May we not let the bullies pressure us from doing what we know in our hearts is the right thing to do.

To be free and to be ONE!

– Jeff

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Truth is Treason in the Empire of LIES. Ron Paul won ALL gop debates. Media continues to ignore Ron Paul (media conspiracy from the left & right paradigm). Paul is the front runner. The globalist are in a huge panic over the fact that the world is waking up to the crimes of the New World Order. Join Ron Paul & the INFO WAR alex Jones before you are starving to death or martial law is declared. The bad guys will run the world until a majority wake up & make personal sacrifices. …

UNFORGIVENESS – A CAUSE of MAJOR BONDAGE

Freedom for the people!!!

From: Johnthebaptisttv… (Andrew Strom)

NOTE: If you ever talk to someone involved in Deliverance ministry they will tell you that the most common cause of severe “demonic” problems in a person’s life is “UNFORGIVENESS”. Clinging on to bitterness or grudges is virtually the singlemost dangerous spiritual thing that a person can do. It can even cause physical sickness. And yet it is so common – even in the church! Below is a great article on this topic by Rodney Francis…

UNFORGIVENESS – A CAUSE of MAJOR BONDAGE
-by Rodney W. Francis.

It has been said that the major cause of hindrances and bondages in the lives of Christians is that of unforgiveness. Every one of us will have experienced things in our lives, disagreements, criticisms, accusations (both true and false) against us. We cannot avoid these things happening. Even Jesus said that it was “impossible but that offences would come” (Luke 17:1). Offences are “stumbling blocks” which come against us ~ things said and done to us to put us down, or to try and subject us to someone else’s will [James-3 curse us – editor], etc. So, no matter how well we handle relationships, etc., we will all face negative things being thrown at us. Some will “attack” us if for no other reason but that they are jealous of us.

For the Christian we must accept that these things will happen in our lives.

· The big issue is how we deal with them!

It is very important to realize that once the offence has taken place, that we cannot change that. What we can change is our response to it, and how we allow it to affect us. The sooner we can take these matters to the Lord and leave them with Him ~ and at the same time practice forgiveness toward those who have offended us ~ the sooner we will be able to get on with our lives and continue to be fruitful in His service. But if we allow those criticisms to get into our emotions and cause us to re-act negatively and to start “bad mouthing” that person who has offended (and hurt) us, then it will quickly get into our spirit and lodge there. Once that happens, then we become the loser in the situation ~ even if the accusations are wrong! It is so important that we learn to keep short accounts with God and with people; otherwise we will start on a downward slippery slope that can cause us to finish up being hurt, angry, resentful, “bitter and twisted”, carrying a wounded spirit in the process. None of us can afford to let that happen. Yet, in my travels in numbers of countries, I am finding wounded Christians that have to be set free

It is sad, but true, that many who have a prophetic calling in God have been “put down” or prevented from functioning. This has caused many to be “shut down,” be hurt and to go inwards, which does not allow them to pursue and fulfil their calling. Tragically, many Christian Leaders have been guilty of clamping down on those who are trying to exercise their Spiritual Gifts. Regardless of who caused the offence we all need to practice forgiveness. Let me emphasize strongly to you: carrying unforgiveness in your heart is not worth it! There is nothing good or justifiable in our carrying unforgiveness. If you have any unforgiveness in your heart and life right now, let me encourage you to make it a top priority to deal with it, and to get rid of it. Take it to JESUS ~ give it to Him, as He is the only One who can take it away from us. It is He that we are called to please; and our carrying unforgiveness does not please Him at all. In fact unforgiveness stops God from forgiving us of our many offences against Him (Matthew 6:14-15)! Right now, come before the Lord Jesus and give it all to Him.

-Please comment on this topic below-

Source – http://www.gospel.org.nz

My theory on the Nephilim: When God told the Children of Israel to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan (the giants), there was this Genesis-6, demon-contaminated genetic problem again? Israel did not; and then there was intermarriage. This would explain why so many seem to be predisposed towards evil — and they become our leaders — even of churches?!!

This may be the most controversial concept I’ll suggest at this site, but it’s a theory that explains so much, that I must finally share this view that I’ve been considering for about a few decades.

How is it that we can write about issues so clearly, proving them beyond the shadow of a doubt, yet many reject them wholesale, like the very clear doctrine of who really goes to heaven, for example?

No one can refute Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, and once-saved-always-saved has been soundly refuted by many, yet this great deception is still mainstream in America — which I believe is the number one cause for our Republic’s destruction. When the ‘Christians’ cease being salt and light, thinking they don’t have to truly be in Christ….

Certainly, the demons that affect most ‘Christians’ are a huge factor. I have an entire category called “Demons in Christians,” in which there are almost 60 posts, currently. I show how demons can absolutely be in Christians. Most have many. This is a huge problem, and certainly this is true of non-Christians as well. Demons empower people to commit and then justify their sins. Most people don’t live holy enough to be free.

And James talks about how ‘Christians’ can actually curse people, what I call James-3 curses. ‘Christians’ can actually wish/pray things on others from their hearts. But these are ‘prayers’/curses that demons answer, not God. And these demons can set the course for people’s lives.

But demons in ‘Christians’ doesn’t by itself explain why so many ‘Christians’ just don’t get it, no matter how clearly we put out the truth. And to make things worse, it seems that today’s church leaders are almost universally unable to understand what is really true about key, basic doctrines. They also seem to be among those most apt to James-3 curse God’s people whom they consider are challenges to their power, for example: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

I personally have probably been cursed by ‘church’ leaders more than any other group of people. It’s fierce, which I show here.

It seems to me, having been a Christian for more than 35 years, that there is something more going on here. Why are most church leaders not even really Christlike, yet few will fully step down and let those who truly are led by the Spirit lead.

They maintain their position by James-3 cursing those whom they see threaten their position of power. They’ll pray against those who would start legitimate churches in which Jesus Christ would be Head — and they’ll vote Republican no matter what, supporting every reverse-Christian war — totally ignoring Ron Paul, the peacemaker. They don’t seem to understand at all how the second greatest commandment applies to our neighbors overseas too. They just don’t get it, and they’ll hardly ever apologize to anyone they’ve hurt, totally ignoring Paul’s elders’ qualifications that overseers MUST be blameless. They seem to have no fear of God. How can this be?

How can church leaders say one thing and do another? And how can they so readily dismiss clear prophecies given to them by those who have been so careful to accurately hear?

And they’ll even lie to cover up what they’ve done, instead of coming clean so we can become ONE in Christ — so God can move among us as His body. How can they lie, knowing what the Bible so clearly says about what happens to all liars? There is mischief in their hearts (Psalm 28), but on the outside they act like everything is okay, “ha, ha, ha” laughing.

Is it possible that many people have a greater propensity for evil based upon their bloodlines, and therefore they force themselves into these power, limelight positions?

I’ve actually put my Nephilim theory aside for many recent years, because I really don’t want to minimize what any person can do. But I’ve just seen too often some people just don’t act like full people. John Prine put it this way:

Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind
You open up their hearts
And here’s what you’ll find
A few frozen pizzas
Some ice cubes with hair
A broken Popsicle
You don’t want to go there

Watch him sing it here:

John Prine: “Some Humans Ain’t Human” — Austin City Limits

Biblically, this is how I think it comes down. This is a good background reference from which I’ll quote; though, they don’t go exactly where I do: Notes on the Nephilim: The Giants of Old, which is a collection of seven writings by these seven authors: James Montgomery Boice | Henry Morris | Chuck Missler | Ray C. Stedman | Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum | Rick Lanser | Bob Deffingbaugh, Th.M.

Genesis 6

1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 that God’s sons [bene elohim*] saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose. 3 Yahweh said, “My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart. 7 Yahweh said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the surface of the ground; man, along with animals, creeping things, and birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in Yahweh’s eyes.

9 This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless [his human genes weren’t altered by this spirit-sexual invasion, some say] among the people of his time. Noah walked with God. 10 Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 God saw the earth, and saw that it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

13 God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

* bene elohim, from: Notes on the Nephilim

The phrase “sons of God” (bene elohim) is used only three other times in the Testament, as indicated earlier-in Job 1:6; 2:1; and 38:7. In each case it clearly means spirit beings

The most common interpretation (backed by the Book of Enoch, a non-biblical, but still important work) has been that fallen angles had sex with human women, who bore hybrid offspring who were part demon and part human. And therefore the huge gap between the evil that prevailed in Noah’s day and the righteousness of Noah, himself, whose bloodline was kept pure, from which Jesus was born. I would say all mankind after the flood, but according to Genesis 6, this bizarre union between demons and humans happened again after the flood, which is why God told the Children of Israel to kill all of the giants in the Land of Canaan. Why else would He say that?

Chuck Missler from Notes on the Nephilim

7. Post-Flood Implications

The strange offspring also continued after the flood: “There were Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that…” (25) The “Sethite” view fails to meaningfully address the prevailing conditions “also after that.” It offers no insight into the presence of the subsequent “giants” in the land of Canaan.

One of the disturbing aspects of the Old Testament record was God’s instructions, upon entering the land of Canaan, to wipe out every man, woman, and child of certain tribes inhabiting the land. This is difficult to justify without the insight of a “gene pool problem” from the remaining Nephilim, Rephaim, et al., which seems to illuminate the difficulty.

So this is what I think could have actually happened. After the flood, after God wiped out the demon-contaminated gene pool, the Nephilim strange offspring breeding happened again. Caleb reported there were giants. This time, God told the children of Israel to wipe out every man, woman and child, to take care of this gene pool contamination problem. But Israel did not, and eventually even interbred with the Nephilim.

So today, many, if not most people (according to this theory) have some demon in their genetics; though, probably less than the 50% ratio that the original Nephilim had, who were so evil that God decided to wipe them all out in the flood, and then have the children of Israel kill them all, when it happened again (though they did not).

These are the scoundrels, who force their way to most of the top political, corporate and power positions, including church leadership.

They can lie without even hardly feeling guilty. The root of all evil, the love of money often drives them in one way or another — and they’ll James-3 curse those who they see are a threat to their power — those who would lead the country, businesses and churches justly, under God — not just saying they are.

They’ll think that those who aren’t demon-gene contaminated are weird, actually calling for real holiness and real integrity — that we would actually really treat our neighbors (even those overseas) as we would ourselves.

And the minority, who aren’t demon-gene contaminated can more easily see. Many have also been deceived into swimming in the mainstream current that is taking US down, but writings like my own make sense to them. And they, like me are have a hard time realizing why humans, who are supposed to be created in the image of God are not more wise.

I don’t want to name any names, but I can think of a particular talk show host that many Republicans listen to who is clearly not one of us; though, he acts like he’s the gift of God to America. Bush could do know wrong, according to Him: all of the reverse-Christian wars and the Constitution gutting policies — the bankster bailout — and even laughing about torture! And President George W. Bush ran as a Christian. And few were wise enough and Biblical enough to see through the facade that he and so many wear.

Who really is a Christian? Who are the children of God, really? Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Those of us who can see should stick together and get ONE happening. If we don’t lead who will — the same old same old who are leading US into the pit?

Once ONE happens (John 17), then many will see and follow as God’s glory literally falls, and perhaps many will even get gene transplants, which I’ve thought of as a very real possibility.

Another key thing to learn here. This should help us have more compassion for those of us who are so evil to us without cause. Maybe they really just are predisposed, based upon their altered genetics, to evil, and it really is much harder for them to see.

And as we forgive fully, then their curses have no right to stick onto us — and we can all be free!

It seems that America is going down fast, but the church can rise up, and this can be the greatest adventure of our entire lives — ONE with each other in Christ.

Jesus wants to be the head of the church. All church leaders must be truly submitted to Him, or they can’t even be real Christians, let alone qualified to lead, being ‘blameless,’ Paul said. And “those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh.”

Many pastors are simply confidence-men (con-men). They can tell a good story — and laugh “ha, ha, ha” — as a substitute for the Holy Spirit moving…. What we need are leaders who can lead us to worship God in Spirit and in truth — those whom God chooses to lead.

Then the end will come, after the Gospel (the real Gospel) is preached around the world. Now we’re mostly spreading a cheap imitation in which God isn’t even involved.

May we be ONE.

Then the world will know.

Jeff Fenske

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I touched upon this in 2007: Fenske on Chuck Norris’ “Would Jesus Support War?” – ‘A God of War’ & ‘*a* Prince of Peace’

Could this have been true of John Calvin and Martin Luther, whose misinterpretations of Paul’s teaching on salvation are mainstream today? They were clearly Biblically disqualified to lead, yet many follow their doctrine?

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: An Anabaptist speaks out on Martin Luther and John Calvin

Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

Luther: Let us BANISH the epistle of James, for it is ‘WORTHLESS’ — written by a non-Christian and can’t be reconciled with Paul

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[WordPOWER!] Psalm 37: "Don’t fret because of evildoers…. The perfect, their inheritance shall be forever. They shall not be disappointed in the time of evil. In the days of famine they shall be satisfied. But the wicked shall perish."

I awoke this morning, hearing “Psalm 37” in that still, small voice — which could easily be mistaken for  just another thought, but it didn’t come from me. I didn’t originate it.
That’s how God usually speaks to us. It behooves us to tune in.
Let’s listen.
jeff

Psalm 37

World English Bible

1 Don’t fret because of evildoers, neither be envious against those who work unrighteousness.

2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither like the green herb.

3 Trust in Yahweh, and do good. Dwell in the land [abide in Christ], and enjoy safe pasture.

4 Also delight yourself in Yahweh, and he will give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to Yahweh. Trust also in him, and he will do this:

6 he will make your righteousness go forth as the light, and your justice as the noon day sun.

7 Rest in Yahweh, and wait patiently for him. Don’t fret because of him who prospers in his way, because of the man who makes wicked plots happen.

8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath. Don’t fret, it leads only to evildoing.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off, but those who wait for Yahweh shall inherit the land.

10 For yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more. Yes, though you look for his place, he isn’t there.

11 But the humble shall inherit the land, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

12 The wicked plots against the just, and gnashes at him with his teeth.

13 The Lord will laugh at him, for he sees that his day is coming.

14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, to kill those who are upright in the way.

15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart. Their bows shall be broken.

16 Better is a little that the righteous has, than the abundance of many wicked.

17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken, but Yahweh upholds the righteous.

18 Yahweh knows the days of the perfect. Their inheritance shall be forever.

19 They shall not be disappointed in the time of evil. In the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

20 But the wicked shall perish. The enemies of Yahweh shall be like the beauty of the fields. They will vanish– vanish like smoke.

21 The wicked borrow, and don’t pay back, but the righteous give generously.

22 For such as are blessed by him shall inherit the land. Those who are cursed by him shall be cut off.

23 A man’s goings are established by Yahweh. He delights in his way.

24 Though he stumble, he shall not fall, for Yahweh holds him up with his hand.

25 I have been young, and now am old, yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his children begging for bread.

26 All day long he deals graciously, and lends. His seed is blessed.

27 Depart from evil, and do good. Live securely forever.

28 For Yahweh loves justice, and doesn’t forsake his saints. They are preserved forever, but the children of the wicked shall be cut off.

29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and live in it forever.

30 The mouth of the righteous talks of wisdom. His tongue speaks justice.

31 The law of his God is in his heart. None of his steps shall slide.

32 The wicked watches the righteous, and seeks to kill him.

33 Yahweh will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.

34 Wait for Yahweh, and keep his way, and he will exalt you to inherit the land. When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.

35 I have seen the wicked in great power, spreading himself like a green tree in its native soil.

36 But he passed away, and behold, he was not. Yes, I sought him, but he could not be found.

37 Mark the perfect man, and see the upright, for there is a future for the man of peace.

38 As for transgressors, they shall be destroyed together. The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

39 But the salvation of the righteous is from Yahweh. He is their stronghold in the time of trouble.

40 Yahweh helps them, and rescues them. He rescues them from the wicked, and saves them, Because they have taken refuge in him. A Psalm by David, for a memorial.

Francis Frangipane: Holiness Precedes Power | More of my experiences at Trinity and in the Vineyard Movement | Why did John and Chris Wimber die?

“A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful,
but holiness will precede power.”

– Francis Frangipane

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I read Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God, by Francis Frangipane during the Vineyard Movement, when I first attended Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in ’89-90.
It was so much fun to attend the Evanston Vineyard (where I bought Francis’ book) — the presence of God and the peace that passes all understanding was so evident.
The fire spread to other students, and Professor Wayne Grudem was wonderfully also involved.
The effect this was having on the students greatly angered many of the cessationist adhering faculty members. There were us smiling students and then there were the eyes that looked away as we approached on the campus sidewalks. It was almost like in the days of Jesus, how he was hated by the religious leaders while saying “blessed are the peacemakers.”
Some of the faculty even openly opposed the movement (writing papers), which died soon after I left, so that when I returned to Trinity a few years later things were back to dead-normal; though, TEDS did add a course finally in Systematic Theology on the person of the Holy Spirit: ST 5103 (603)!
When John Wimber and his son, Chris Wimber (head of Vineyard Music) physically died, I knew why: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable” I knew why when John was sick and couldn’t figure out why. “Christians” can be so mean, diabolical!

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

During the second time I studied at Trinity, I had a dream in which I was told that if I didn’t pray an hour a day (in tongues) that I wouldn’t make it. Here, God shows how this works: A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls). The gift discussed here is speaking in tongues, which unfortunately the Vineyard Movement largely ran from; even though, they embraced many of the other spiritual gifts, like healing and the word of knowledge. Had they embraced tongues, I think it’s probable that John and Chris would still be alive today. There is no doubt that John was hated fiercely by the old guard. Instead of admitting they were wrong, they James-3 cursed him. Many were Calvinists basically doing what their founder did:

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!

Some of us saw Francis Frangipane and John Wimber speak (I think even Jack Deere was there, former professor Dallas Theological Seminary — Dallas excludes those who believe in the gifts) in a Chicago auditorium at a Vineyard conference during this time, including Wayne Grudem. I discuss some of this here:

“The Perfect Storm” by John Paul Jackson. What to expect in the next 10 years. To overcome, we must be right with each other: “You must have clean hands and not harmed others. And if you have, you must repent so that you can be clean” | My experience at Trinity.

In this post, I state a key reason why I believe the movement died — the introduction of tithing. They built a new building at their headquarters in Los Angeles. Prior to this, they taught the people to be led by the Holy Spirit in giving, determining in their hearts what to give, like Paul actually taught:

The Day that Tithing Ended—To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Another key reason the Vineyard Movement died is that John Wimber, himself was a Calvinist. Vineyard did not teach the truth about who goes to heaven: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
In the ’90s, when the worship music died, there was much sin in the camp and they were still trying to worship God in song. People sought the gifts and not the Creator. Though, in the late ’80s, there was a strong holiness emphasis, influenced to a great degree by Francis Frangipane’s book: Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. And this is the main reason why God responded in signs and wonders during this period. The glory of God, His presence was so often evident.

May we get it right this time:

no tithing;

include tongues

and the truth about who goes to heaven.

jeff fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

—–
From: An email from Francis Frangipane

Holiness Precedes Power

Many Christians look for shortcuts to the power of God. To try shortcuts is to become, at best, frustrated; at worst, a false teacher or prophet. Listen very carefully: there is tremendous power for us in God but not without holiness. Holiness precedes power.

When John Saw Jesus

Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?” But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him. After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”        Matthew 3:13-17

Let us understand this prophet, John the Baptist. According to the Scriptures, John was filled with the Holy Spirit “while yet in his mother’s womb” (Luke 1:15). We are also told his coming was in the spirit and power of Elijah. Historians tell us that John’s penetrating, uncompromising ministry led nearly one million people to repentance. Vast multitudes left their cities and towns and went into the wilderness to hear the prophet and be baptized into repentance in preparation for the kingdom of God.

Only Jesus knew the fallen condition of the human heart more perfectly than John. No class of people escaped the Baptist’s judgment: soldiers and kings, sinners and religious leaders alike were all brought into the “valley of decision.” John’s baptism was more than a simple immersion in water. He required a public confession of sins as well as the bringing forth of righteousness (Matt. 3:6, 8).

Jesus testified that John was “more than a prophet.” He said, among those born of women, “there has not arisen anyone greater than John” (Matt. 11:9-11). John was a “seer prophet,” which meant he had open vision into the spirit realm. He testified that “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven” (John 1:32). He saw “the wrath to come” (Matt. 3:7). He witnessed “the kingdom of heaven” (v. 2). John had insight into the secrets of men’s hearts. His vision penetrated the veneer of the well-respected Pharisees; within their souls he saw a “brood of vipers.” Understand this about prophets: they are aware of things that are hidden from other men.

But when Jesus came to be baptized, before the heavens opened and the Holy Spirit descended, John saw something that was overwhelming even to his standard of righteousness. He gazed [into] Jesus’ heart, and he saw no sins, no lies, no lusts. John saw a level of holiness that, without knowing he was gazing at the Messiah, caused him to utter with astonishment, “I have need to be baptized by You” (v. 14).

Jesus, as the “Lamb of God” (John 1:36), was without spot or blemish. This is exactly what the prophet beheld in Jesus: spotless purity of heart. Christ’s virtue took John’s breath away! The powerful emanation of Christ’s inner purity made John immediately aware of his own need. When John saw Jesus, he discovered a level of righteousness that was higher, purer than his own. This great prophet looked into the heart of Jesus, and in the brightness of Christ’s holiness he cried, “I have need.”

And so it is with us. Each time we see Jesus, each successive revelation of Christ’s purity makes our need more apparent. As Christ’s holiness unfolds before us, we cannot but echo the same cry of John the Baptist: “I have need to be baptized by You!”

Yet, in the beginning of our walk, we embraced life in our own strength, trusting in our own skills for success and attainment. Yes, we turned to God, but mainly in times of grief or trial. However, as the Lord brings us into maturity, what we once considered strengths are actually discovered to be weaknesses. Our pride and self-confidence keep us from God’s help; the clamor of our many ideas and desires drown the whisper of the still small voice of God. Indeed, in God’s eyes, the best of human successes are still “wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked” (Rev. 3:17).

In time, we discover that all true strength, all true effectiveness–yes, our very holiness itself–begins with discovering our need. We grow weaker, less confident in our abilities. As the outer shell of self-righteousness crumbles, Jesus Himself becomes God’s answer to every man who cries for holiness and power in his walk.

We may think we have spiritual gifts, we may presume we are holy, we may rejoice with human successes, but until we see Christ and abandon our reliance upon our self-righteousness, all we will ever have, at best, is religion.

Oh, let us grasp this truth with both hands; let it never slip from us. Jesus Himself is our source of holiness! We are so eager to do something for Him–anything, as long as we do not have to change inside. God does not need what we can do; He wants what we are. He wants to make us a holy people. Let us not be anxious in this process. Allow Him to do the deep inner work of preparation. Jesus lived thirty years of sinless purity before He did one work of power! His goal was not to do some great work but to please the Father with a holy life.

Hear me; our goal, likewise, is not to become powerful but to become holy with Christ’s presence. God promises to empower that which He first makes holy. Do you want your Christianity to work? Then seek Jesus Himself as your source and standard of holiness. Do you want to see the power of God in your life? Then seek to know Christ’s purity of heart. If we are becoming the people Jesus calls His own, we should be growing in holiness. A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful, but holiness will precede power.

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The preceding article came from Pastor Frangipane’s first book, Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. This book was recently re-published by Charisma House. Look for the new edition to be in stores March 1. However, we still have a number of the previous edition, which has the same content. If you are interested in this powerful classic, we are making the old version available for just $4.95. This is available on a first-come, first-served basis as quantities are limited.

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[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: "…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD." — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

I awoke, hearing “Psalm 38,” again. This has happened to me before.
I get cursed a lot, what I call James-3 cursing, when its from ‘Christians.’ And unless we forgive everyone, 100% from our whole hearts the arrows have a right to pierce us, which Jesus describes in Matthew 18:

Jesus on forgiving to be free from demons in Matthew 18: “So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your HEARTS for his misdeeds.”

[WordPOWER!] 1 John 4 “Perfect Love Casts Out Fear” means us perfectly loving, not us perfectly accepting His love for us (as is commonly taught). Let’s love perfectly!

So the problem is us and them. We can pray for them, which helps us and them:

I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues…

But what should even be more important in our thinking is to totally release and forgive — and perfectly love. And at this point, hardly anyone, including myself seems to be able to walk in this 24/7.
I was just reading this, which I think is another huge key.

Holiness Will Excise Darkness — Many will follow and run from iniquity when you are holy, when your sights are set on Me, up, where they belong.

God allows us to be cursed, which often even causes illnesses,  so we get fed up with being tormented, so we learn to walk in total love, where perfect love casts out fear.
It’s hard to walk in perfect love when there is so much hate and anger coming our way — if and when we stand up for righteousness in the mostly dark days we are in. But are warfare is not against people who are actually demon driven to hate and attack us, ‘Christians’ James-3 cursing brothers and sisters in the Lord.
We’re living in a dark period, but many will follow and run from iniquity when we are holy…!
Power to the peaceful! Peace starts with us!
I’ll comment on David’s Psalm 38 via highlighting and putting comments in brackets.

Psalm 38

1 Yahweh, don’t rebuke me in your wrath, neither chasten me in your hot displeasure. [Notice how the Lord was angry in Mt. 18 when the servant wouldn’t forgive. God can get angry with us when we willfully withhold love no matter what revisionist pastors say]

2 For your arrows have pierced me, your hand presses hard on me. [God disciplines those He loves, being His sons and daughters. It appears that the “arrows” are evil spirits (Mt. 18 ‘tormentors’) allowed to affect us until we walk in perfect love, not giving them a right to enter. Evil spirits can actually grab body parts, which could feel like pressure. Look at the source of these arrows which David shows starting in verse 12 — the hate and anger, the James-3 cursing!]

3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of your indignation, neither is there any health in my bones because of my sin.

4 For my iniquities have gone over my head. As a heavy burden, they are too heavy for me.

5 My wounds are loathsome and corrupt, because of my foolishness.

6 I am pained and bowed down greatly. I go mourning all day long.

7 For my waist is filled with burning. There is no soundness in my flesh.

8 I am faint and severely bruised. I have groaned by reason of the anguish of my heart.

9 Lord, all my desire is before you. My groaning is not hidden from you.

10 My heart throbs. My strength fails me. As for the light of my eyes, it has also left me.

11 My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my plague. My kinsmen stand far away.

12 They also who seek after my life lay snares. Those who seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and meditate deceits all day long.

13 But I, as a deaf man, don’t hear. I am as a mute man who doesn’t open his mouth.

14 Yes, I am as a man who doesn’t hear, in whose mouth are no reproofs.

15 For in you, Yahweh, do I hope. You will answer, Lord my God.

16 For I said, “Don’t let them gloat over me, or exalt themselves over me when my foot slips.”

17 For I am ready to fall. My pain is continually before me.

18 For I will declare my iniquity. I will be sorry for my sin.

19 But my enemies are vigorous and many. Those who hate me without reason are numerous.

20 They who also render evil for good are adversaries to me, because I follow what is good.

21 Don’t forsake me, Yahweh. My God, don’t be far from me.

22 Hurry to help me, Lord, my salvation. For the Chief Musician. For Jeduthun. A Psalm by David.

Related:
James-3 cursing:

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within

A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

Strand: Most ‘Christians’ James-3 Curse & Matthew-5 Lust

‘Pastor’: You can pray AGAINST people too. “It’s well worth it!” – Vs – God: “Bless and don’t curse;” “This wisdom is…DEMONIC;” “Overcome evil with good,” “that you may be children of your Father”

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

[WordPOWER!] James — Demons WITHIN drive ‘Christians’ to curse people. “If you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition IN YOUR HEART” you’re probably a James-3 curser. If so, “don’t lie against the truth.” Instead, be a PEACEMAKER, “for they shall be called children of God.” – Jesus

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

[WordPower!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)

Totally Forgiving

Why 9/11? | Forgiveness is the Key to Repentance

Forgive and Be Free

A Heart that is Clean Can Shake Mountains

Holiness Will Excise Darkness — Many will follow and run from iniquity when you are holy, when your sights are set on Me, up, where they belong.

Art Mathias on It’s Supernatural: Spiritual Roots of Disease — Healed Through Forgiving (If there is pain in a memory there is unforgiveness)

Forgiving-Others, Freedom Prayer!

Have-We-Forgiven Gauge: “If There is Pain In a Memory There is Bitterness”

John Tesh & Friends: How Important is FORGIVENESS in a Relationship? | FORGIVING: Our GREATEST OPPORTUNITY to SHOW the LOVE of Christ!

Greg Boyd’s Prayer: Teach us to be free, forgiving even our worst enemy

Greg Boyd: In the kingdom of God, we are not allowed to have any enemiesEd Young: Joseph—Betrayal, Forgiving, Trust, Patience & Loyalty—”Let God Take Care of Revenge”

[WordPower!] Jesus on forgiving to be free from demons in Matthew 18: “So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your HEARTS for his misdeeds.”

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

[WordPower!] Philippians 2: Loving Others More than Ourselves to Love Others as Much? The Greatest Key to Forgiving & Holiness?

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: A Nation of Truth Rejectors — "Churches are filled with bitterness, carnality, envy, deceit, duplicity, false accusation, greed, and cowardice due to a lack of truth. … Many of those today that are resisting and disabling truth call themselves Christians. … In reality, people who reject truth lose a whole lot more than whatever they had hoped to gain. Eventually, they lose, not only their own lives, but also the life of their country."

This, my friends, is a masterpiece!!!

Chuck hits another one out of the park!


We must desire truth, first, in our own hearts [heart’s color added by editor — because we’re literally talking about the actual heart here!]. We MUST be willing to objectively analyze our motives and actions.

Truth also demands courage and honesty, because sometimes it can be very painful to look at! It takes an honest man to desire truth, as truth will often reveal the character flaws in his own soul. It also takes courage to appreciate truth, as truth will often demand that one change his own opinion or conduct.

How can people be so unconcerned about truth and so spiteful toward those who seek it? [James-3 cursing them – editor]

From: chuckbaldwinlive.com…

Posted on Jan 6, 2011

A NATION OF TRUTH REJECTERS

A bedrock principle of Natural Law (the Law upon which Western Civilization rests) is the primacy of truth. Without a desire for, and appreciation of, truth, society cannot sustain itself. Lies, deceit, duplicity, etc., are more than moral evils; they are the bane of freedom and liberty. Take away truth, and one is left without honor, justice, or decency. Truth is the cement that holds the bricks and stones of a sane and civilized society together. Remove the former and the latter will crumble.

Truth also demands courage and honesty, because sometimes it can be very painful to look at! It takes an honest man to desire truth, as truth will often reveal the character flaws in his own soul. It also takes courage to appreciate truth, as truth will often demand that one change his own opinion or conduct. Unfortunately, it does appear that the desire for truth has been replaced with a desire for deceit.

Years ago, a great, old preacher-warrior told my former church congregation, “People today love being lied to.” How right he was! For the most part, even professing Christian people today love being lied to. It would seem that many people find deceit easier to digest than truth. Maybe it’s because these people lack the aforementioned virtues of honesty and courage.

Truth demands the virtue of honesty, because honesty requires that information be objectively analyzed and studied; it requires that personal prejudices and proclivities be set aside; it requires that humility replace pride, which allows one’s opinions and conduct to change in the face of truth.

Truth also demands courage, as courage is the active response to honesty. To know what is right to do is great (many people do not even know this much), but to act upon what one knows to be right is even greater–and also harder! Courage gives men the fortitude and conviction to suffer personal loss in order to be faithful to their own honesty. Courage places more value on honesty and truth than on personal prosperity or aggrandizement [The act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one’s own importance, power, or reputation – editor]. Courage propelled Daniel into the lion’s den; it drove Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego into the burning fiery furnace; it placed a youthful David onto the battlefield alone against a fierce and ferocious adversary; it gathered Pastor Jonas Clark’s congregants (mostly farmers and merchants) onto Lexington Green to face Britain’s highly trained, professional soldiers.

So, where are the virtues of honesty and courage in the desire for truth today? Threaten the average pastor and church leader with some obscure IRS tax code and they will quickly turn their backs upon virtually every principle of truth and honor that they once professed to believe. The mere threat of potential financial loss sends men (excuse me, males) scurrying for cover.

In this regard, when then-Senator Lyndon Johnson created the heinous 501(c)3 IRS tax-exempt status for churches, he very cleverly (with assistance from Hades, I might add) planted the seeds that would grow up to intimidate the vast majority of America’s pastors and church leaders into becoming silent slaves of the state. In fact, if one has an opportunity to ever bore deeply into the matter, he or she will discover that most pastors and church leaders today do not even regard the Church as the institution of the living God, bound only to the laws and principles of God’s Holy Word; they perceive it as a creature of the state, bound to the subjective machinations of IRS bureaucrats and their toadies in the law profession. And should a choice ever have to be made between the two, God, His Word, and His Church will be thrown under the bus in preference to the state-owned corporation. So much for truth–or honesty, or courage, for that matter.

The rejection of truth seems ubiquitous in America today. When did it start? Maybe when Abraham Lincoln turned the Constitution on its head and–at bayonet point–turned republicanism into nationalism; maybe when Woodrow Wilson rejected thousands of years of human history and turned America’s sound money system over to the corrupt and illegitimate Federal Reserve; maybe when Wilson created the monstrous Internal Revenue Service; maybe when the 17th Amendment was adopted; maybe when the American media convinced people that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy; maybe when the American people (including the vast majority of pastors and Christians) turned their backs (and their hearts) to the Branch Davidians, who were murdered by federal agents outside Waco, Texas; maybe when so-called “conservative” Senate Republicans deliberately chose to cover up President Bill Clinton’s criminal conduct; maybe when the powers that be began demonizing anyone who dared to question the “official” story regarding the events on 9/11/01; maybe when a vast majority of Christians and conservatives blindly followed and actively supported the unconstitutional, un-American policies of President George W. Bush. They supported Bush when he threw off Western Civilization’s time-tested Just War doctrine (and replaced it with an unconscionable Preemptive War policy), and, again, when he officially began turning America into a police state by creating the Department of Homeland Security, implementing the Military Commissions Act, introducing the Patriot Act, and dismantling Habeus Corpus and Posse Comitatus. Whenever it started, the sad reality is, America has largely become a nation of truth-rejecters.

There is a passage of Scripture that I simply must interject here: “Because they received not the love of the truth . . . God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” (II Thess. 2:10,11 KJV)

This is one of God’s universal principles: when people deliberately reject truth, God will allow them to believe lies, which always leads to ultimate destruction. I submit that is exactly where America is today. As a nation, we have rejected truth, and God is giving us over to deceit and falsehood. And what is interesting to me is the way in which many unbelievers seem to have a thirst for truth that far surpasses that of many professing Christians. This leads to an amazing paradox.

Think of it: when God is moving within a nation with His plan of truth and justice (which He is always doing), then it stands to reason that the evil one is, likewise, resisting and countering God’s plan through deceit and falsehood. This means that those unbelievers who seek truth are allying themselves with God (maybe even unwittingly), while those professing Christians who have rejected truth are allying themselves against God (again, maybe even unwittingly). Remember, God called the heathen king, Cyrus, “my shepherd.” (Isa. 44:28) But one thing is constant: truth is like a magnet: one is always being pulled toward it or away from it, depending upon the polarity of one’s heart and mind. People who embrace truth tend to embrace it further, while people who reject truth tend to be continually hardened against it.

Think of the conflicts of world and American history where brothers fought against brothers. Many of these brethren died at the hands of brethren fighting for truth, while other brethren died fighting against truth. And though men may be unable to discern the difference, God suffers from no such malady. He knows those who enable truth and those who disable it. And many of those today that are resisting and disabling truth call themselves Christians. There is another appropriate Scripture: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:20 KJV)

Again, the desire for truth is a bedrock principle of a free and independent society. We must desire truth, first, in our own hearts [heart’s color added by editor — because we’re literally talking about the actual heart here!]. We must be willing to objectively analyze our motives and actions based upon this fundamental principle. How can so many people (including professing Christians) behave so dishonestly? How can they act so cowardly? How is it that truth is only precious when it doesn’t cost us anything? How can people be so unconcerned about truth and so spiteful toward those who seek it [James-3 cursing them – editor]? How can those who claim as their Savior the One is “the way, the truth, and the life” be so calloused against truth? How can those who claim to read the word of truth (the Bible) be so ignorant of truth?

Look around you: our society is breaking apart due to a lack of appreciation for truth. Small businesses are being put out of business due to a lack of truth. Families are being torn apart due to a lack of truth. Churches are filled with bitterness, carnality, envy, deceit, duplicity, false accusation, greed, and cowardice due to a lack of truth. Our political institutions mock the principles of decency and honor due to a lack of truth. The national media loves to distort truth; the federal judiciary loves to twist truth; and there is no such thing as truth to Big Business–only bottom line profits [the love of money is… – editor].

As we enter a new year in search of Heaven’s blessing and protection, let us remind ourselves that God always judges people who reject truth. Always! If we truly want Heaven’s blessing and protection upon our land, we will start–each of us–by being willing to seek and embrace truth, even if doing so costs us something; because, in reality, people who reject truth lose a whole lot more than whatever they had hoped to gain. Eventually, they lose, not only their own lives, but also the life of their country.

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A. W. Tozer: The church needs the SPECIALISTS, the TROUBLESHOOTERS whom they've labelled 'extreme'

 

From: Johnthebaptisttv… (Andrew Strom)

A.W TOZER – The “DRASTIC RADICALS” NEEDED

Great industrial concerns have in their employ men who are needed only when there is a breakdown somewhere. When something goes wrong with the machinery, these men spring into action to locate and remove the trouble and get the machinery rolling again.

For these men a smoothly operating system has no interest. They
are specialists concerned with trouble and how to find and correct it.

In the Kingdom of God things are not too different. God has always
had His specialists whose chief concern has been the moral
breakdown, the decline in the spiritual health of the nation or the
Church. Such men were Elijah, Jeremiah, Malachi, and others of
their kind who appeared at critical moments in history to reprove,
rebuke, and exhort in the name of God and righteousness.

A thousand or ten thousand ordinary priests or pastors or teachers
could labor quietly on, almost unnoticed, while the spiritual life
of Israel or the Church was normal. But let the people of God go
astray from the paths of truth, and immediately the specialist
appeared almost out of nowhere. His instinct for trouble brought
him to the help of the Lord and of Israel.

Such a man was likely to be drastic, radical, possibly at times
violent, and the curious crowd that gathered to watch him work
soon branded him as extreme, fanatical, negative. And in a sense
they were right. He was single-minded, severe, fearless, as these
were the qualities the circumstances demanded. He shocked
some, frightened others, and alienated not a few, but he knew
Who had called him and what he was sent to do. His ministry
was geared to the emergency, and that fact marked him out as
different, a man apart.

To such men as this the Church owes a debt too heavy to pay.
The curious thing is She seldom tries to pay him while he lives,
but the next generation builds his sepulcher and writes his
biography, as if instinctively and awkwardly to discharge an
obligation the previous generation to a large extent ignored.

Such a man as this is not an easy companion. The professional
evangelist who leaves the wrought-up meeting as soon as it ends
to hurry over to the most expensive restaurant to feast and crack
jokes with his sponsors will find this man something of an
embarrassment, for he cannot turn off the burden of the Holy Ghost
as one would turn off a faucet. He insists upon being a Christian
all the time, everywhere; and again, that marks him out as different.

Toward him it is impossible to be neutral. His acquaintances are
divided pretty neatly into two classes, those who love him with all
admiration, and those who hate him with perfect hatred!
[‘Christians’ James-3 cursing Christians – ed.]

-SOURCE: “Why Revival Tarries” by Leonard Ravenhill. -One of
the best books you will ever read.

Related:

‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTEDNow is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”

Valedictorian explains why false doctrines still rule: "We are all expected to be the same. We are trained to ace every standardized test, and those who deviate and see light through a different lens are worthless… and therefore viewed with contempt"

Valedictorian Erica Goldson was speaking of public education, but isn’t this true within Chrisendom as well?

Between these cinderblock walls, we are all expected to be the same. We are trained to ace every standardized test, and those who deviate and see light through a different lens are worthless to the scheme of public education, and therefore viewed with contempt.

“Viewed with contempt” often means getting James-3 cursed. Dissenters from the established norm are pressured to conform. And the more we hold our ground, the more evil is wished upon us — those of us who won’t believe something just because we’re told to.
And that’s why revival-killing, false doctrine prevails to at least some degree in every single church that I know of. Education (and preaching) is too often indoctrination, instead of  encouragement for us to seek God so we can all come to the knowledge of the truth.
And I can’t tell you how much pressure was put on me to adhere to the norm. And much of this is through the reverse-Christian, James-3 curses (‘prayers’): Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”, which is not just for retaliation and vindication, but also to control, to bring those who question into line.
The old wineskins can only be replaced by the new wineskins (that can hold the new wine without bursting) when the church is encouraged to seek the One who has promised to lead us into all truth. And then when we find that truth, let’s embrace it and those who have persevered to find it.
Erica also said this:

We are thinkers, dreamers, explorers, artists, writers, engineers. We are anything we want to be – but only if we have an educational system that supports us rather than holds us down. A tree can grow, but only if its roots are given a healthy foundation.

Thank God for the rare teachers who had the courage and love to encourage us even when they saw us thinking outside of the box! I thank God for Jerry W., in particular. He encouraged and helped equip me no matter what.
Leaders should be power-under, not power-over, encouraging everyone to draw near to God so God can draw near to us.
Revival will only come when the whole body is functioning together. Most pastors and teachers like to think their doctrine is totally sound. Then why isn’t revival happening — real Christianity according to the Scriptures I have listed in my header?
Full revival isn’t happening because our doctrines aren’t yet cisterns that are sound enough to be able to hold water. Our doctrines still have huge holes in them.
Churches should create a nurturing atmosphere in which those who question will be appreciated and seen as vital to real Christianity happening — instead of acting like we’ve already arrived.
We need each other, even the parts that seem ‘divisive,’ when in reality we just refuse to accept the sub-biblical goals that keep the church from really being the church.
We’ll know when we’ve arrived when God arrives to where we are all one with each other, resting in Him. Then the world will know (John 17)!
Let’s break out of the box and embrace what is true, loving the Lord, our God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbors (even the ‘renegades’ who just happen to be wired differently for a really good reason) as much as we love ourselves.
Jeff : )

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts]Valedictorian Speaks Out Against Schooling

misserizzlefoshizzle | August 05, 2010

Please excuse the nervousness of my voice.

The full text can be found here:
http://americaviaerica.blogspot.com/2…

From: americaviaerica.blogspot.com…

Wednesday, July 7, 2010

Coxsackie-Athens Valedictorian Speech 2010

Here I Stand
Erica Goldson

…the dilemma I’ve faced within the American education system. We are so focused on a goal, whether it be passing a test, or graduating as first in the class. However, in this way, we do not really learn. We do whatever it takes to achieve our original objective.

Some of you may be thinking, “Well, if you pass a test, or become valedictorian, didn’t you learn something? Well, yes, you learned something, but not all that you could have. Perhaps, you only learned how to memorize names, places, and dates to later on forget in order to clear your mind for the next test. School is not all that it can be. Right now, it is a place for most people to determine that their goal is to get out as soon as possible.

I am now accomplishing that goal. I am graduating. I should look at this as a positive experience, especially being at the top of my class. However, in retrospect, I cannot say that I am any more intelligent than my peers. I can attest that I am only the best at doing what I am told and working the system. Yet, here I stand, and I am supposed to be proud that I have completed this period of indoctrination. I will leave in the fall to go on to the next phase expected of me, in order to receive a paper document that certifies that I am capable of work. But I contest that I am a human being, a thinker, an adventurer – not a worker. A worker is someone who is trapped within repetition – a slave of the system set up before him. But now, I have successfully shown that I was the best slave. I did what I was told to the extreme. While others sat in class and doodled to later become great artists, I sat in class to take notes and become a great test-taker. While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment. While others were creating music and writing lyrics, I decided to do extra credit, even though I never needed it. So, I wonder, why did I even want this position? Sure, I earned it, but what will come of it? When I leave educational institutionalism, will I be successful or forever lost? I have no clue about what I want to do with my life; I have no interests because I saw every subject of study as work, and I excelled at every subject just for the purpose of excelling, not learning. And quite frankly, now I’m scared. …

Between these cinderblock walls, we are all expected to be the same. We are trained to ace every standardized test, and those who deviate and see light through a different lens are worthless to the scheme of public education, and therefore viewed with contempt.

H. L. Mencken wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924 that the aim of public education is not

    • to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. … Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim … is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States. (Gatto)

To illustrate this idea, doesn’t it perturb you to learn about the idea of “critical thinking.” Is there really such a thing as “uncritically thinking?” To think is to process information in order to form an opinion. But if we are not critical when processing this information, are we really thinking? Or are we mindlessly accepting other opinions as truth? …

The majority of students are put through the same brainwashing techniques in order to create a complacent labor force working in the interests of large corporations and secretive government, and worst of all, they are completely unaware of it. I will never be able to turn back these 18 years. I can’t run away to another country with an education system meant to enlighten rather than condition. This part of my life is over, and I want to make sure that no other child will have his or her potential suppressed by powers meant to exploit and control. We are human beings. We are thinkers, dreamers, explorers, artists, writers, engineers. We are anything we want to be – but only if we have an educational system that supports us rather than holds us down. A tree can grow, but only if its roots are given a healthy foundation.

For those of you out there that must continue to sit in desks and yield to the authoritarian ideologies of instructors, do not be disheartened. You still have the opportunity to stand up, ask questions, be critical, and create your own perspective. Demand a setting that will provide you with intellectual capabilities that allow you to expand your mind instead of directing it. Demand that you be interested in class. Demand that the excuse, “You have to learn this for the test” is not good enough for you. Education is an excellent tool, if used properly, but focus more on learning rather than getting good grades.

For those of you that work within the system that I am condemning, I do not mean to insult; I intend to motivate. You have the power to change the incompetencies of this system. I know that you did not become a teacher or administrator to see your students bored. You cannot accept the authority of the governing bodies that tell you what to teach, how to teach it, and that you will be punished if you do not comply. Our potential is at stake. …

So, here I stand. …

Reverse-Christianity never the solution. I disagree with Alex Jones this time — We gotta start hating these people. … They hate us."

“If you don’t want your kids drinking the poison [fluoride]
these scum are putting in there [the water],
go to [names the water filter company’s website].

We gotta start hating these people.
We gotta start being right out there in the open.
They hate us.”

– Alex Jones
The Alex Jones Show, 6/29/10

Alex is speaking of the globalists who force-fluoridate the water, which absolutely is disgusting, causing numerous negative health effects including lowering IQ. And the fluoride they force-feed the people isn’t even food grade!

Alex calls himself a Christian even in this very show:

“I am a Christian. … I am someone who follows Christ. And I can feel God. I can literally feel the Energy Source. I have a relationship. Okay, and I’ve had experiences that I won’t get into on the air, in my life, that are just unbelievable.”

It’s not just about being born-again and having God inside. Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh” (Gal. 5). Going-to-heaven Christians abide in the Vine — so we can bear fruit that remains (Jesus in John 15), that isn’t poisoned.  See my article: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way.

Jesus calls us to love our enemies, all people no matter what. This is the Second Greatest Commandment. We are called to love, not hate.


Hating evil is different from hating people.

It’s quite different to hate what is being done to our children and to hate the people who are doing it, literally under Satan’s control. These people are pawns of the Devil.

Expose the system. Expose the matrix, but “love all people” is Christ’s way.

Or we’re like them: demon-led haters — branches that will be thrown into the fire and burned (John 15).

The ends doesn’t justify the means.

Jeff Fenske


(video) Sarah Palin demonstrates why most evangelicals dissed Ron Paul, who wanted to bring the troops home. ‘Christians’ have two sets of books: one for US and one for THEM ("who don’t deserve rights"). THEY’re not our ‘neighbor’ whom Jesus commanded US to love as much as ourselves. Maybe that’s why most evangelicals refuse to investigate 9/11. If ‘THEY’ didn’t take down the towers…???

Jesus commands us to love ALL people as much as we love ourselves:

One of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together. Knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the greatest of all?” Jesus answered, “The greatest is, ‘Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. The second is like this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” – Mark 12:28-31

Christians must be peacemakers. Jesus said:

“Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS, for they shall be called the CHILDREN OF GOD.” – Mt. 5:9

Jesus commands us to love our enemies, that we may be His children:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS THOSE WHO CURSE YOU, DO GOOD to those WHO HATE you, and PRAY FOR THOSE WHO MISTREAT YOU and persecute you, THAT YOU MAY BE CHILDREN of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? Therefore you shall BE PERFECT, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” – Mt. 5:43-48

Sarah Palin Says Only Americans Worthy of Rights?

Feb 21, 2010

The recent Republican talking point that US constitutional rights are only for Americans citizens was nowhere so jingoistically and hypocritically expressed as it was by Sarah Palin in her appearances this month on “Fox News Sunday” and at a national Tea Party Convention, as I show in this video.

The clip I use of Sarah Palin appearing on “Fox News Sunday” comes from the segment broadcast February 7, 2010, available online at http://media2.foxnews.com/020710/0207…

The clips I use of Fmr. Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) delivering the closing keynote address of the first-ever National Tea Party Convention, held in Nashville, TN comes from the program broadcast on CSPAN on February 6, 2010, available on CSPAN’s YouTube channel at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7gVp3…

Related:

Pat Buchanan: “On foreign policy … Ron Paul and Sarah Palin are on opposite sides completely.” What would Jesus do?

Ron Paul’s Biggest Eye-Opener: ‘Christian’ Evangelicals Pushing Preemptive War in the Name of Spreading Christian ‘Love

Ron Paul: Jesus is the Prince of PEACE, Not Preemptive War

Chuck Baldwin: What Does John Hagee Really Want? — “These WARMONGERING EVANGELICALS beat the war drums; they encourage the young men from their churches to go off and fight these ‘holy’ wars; they WORK TIRELESSLY TO ELECT PRO-WAR POLITICIANS…. Then, the politicians … send the US military to invade, bomb, and KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people, the vast majority of whom are innocent people. … ANIMOSITY against the United States is GROWING EXPONENTIALLY; in an effort to keep our country at war, our ECONOMY is being overburdened and overtaxed TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN; in the name of the “War on Terror,” America is on the verge of becoming a giant POLICE STATE; we are INCITING CHINA AND RUSSIA INTO NUCLEAR WAR; and America’s military VETERANS are KILLING THEMSELVES more frequently than are enemy bullets”

Chuck Baldwin: Do Americans Cherish Freedom Anymore? — Where do our rights come from, and what is the government’s role? Why are born-again Christians among the first to gladly relinquish their freedom?

Ron Paul vs Sarah Palin

Devvy: Sarah Palin: Buying the Sizzle

Globalist Kingpin, Henry Kissinger to teach Sarah Palin about foreign affairs

Palin: ‘In MY WORLD,’ ‘it is OBVIOUS to me who the GOOD GUYS…and who the BAD GUYS are’
 
 
 
 
 
Sarah Palin: U.S. Troops in Iraq Doing God’s Will — “A Task that is From God”

(video) Why Sarah Palin Stopped Her 2012 Presidential Bid – On the “same day” evidence of Todd Palin’s sexual encounters was released – Ed Opperman 20Aug2013

Can Sarah Palin be a real, going-to-heaven Christian?

Can Sarah Palin be a real, going-to-heaven Christian, part 2? — Encouraging Bristol’s tango on DWTS: “Is it like lap dancing scandalous (giggling, darting out her tongue)? … Just dominate. Just take over.”

What is Anchorage’s new statue sitting there thinking? “Why does Alaska still support Sarah Palin, the OPPOSITE OF RON PAUL on foreign interventionism?” — & — “Why did ‘Christians’ in this town vote for George W. Bush, the OPPOSITE OF JESUS on foreign interventionism, TWICE?”

Greg Boyd: In the kingdom of God, we are not allowed to have any enemies. All body-bags are equally tragic.

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? Are warmongerers real Christians?Can warmongerers go to heaven?
Jesus in Matthew 5

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God. …

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Paul said in Romans 8:14

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God.

My favorite 9/11 truth post (there are over 100 more at ToBeFree)— in case you’d like to find out what really happened — who really were responsible. All of this hate and anger for what?? When are we going to be true Christians? They’ll know us by our love.

My response to: have any of you researched about the “reptilian bloodline” or the “illuminati” or the U.F.O. “illusion”…?

[UPDATED & EXPANDED, 4/27]
A reader wrote this as part of his comment here:

Reptilians just SO HAPPEN to be in a book about HELL…..have any of you researched about the “reptilian bloodline” or the “illuminati” or the U.F.O. “illusion” satan is planning through a government program called ” Project Blue Beam”?

I have studied these issues in depth, and I think there are many reasons to believe that the UFO phenomenon (including the abductions) are at least in part real. I’m not among those who explain it off as being merely demonic.
Have you seen this? NASA Space Shuttle Footage: UFO Missed by Ground Based Energy Pulse Weapon. This is even more amazing when seen on TV, which I have. The YouTube video is so fuzzy in comparison.
And I have a number of posts on this subject at ToBeFree: http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ufos-nephilim-the-occult
A very interesting book on this is: The THREAT: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda, by David Jacobs. And I find Stan Deyo’s interviews interesting.
I also go into the illuminati, secret society thing at ToBeFree, which can be found through the categories or the search engine.
This is the main thing that I think happened regarding the polluting of the bloodline. See the totally bolded paragraph in this: Fenske on Chuck Norris’ “Would Jesus Support War?” – ‘A God of War’ & ‘*a* Prince of Peace’. I think this is a big deal, and explains a lot. But I don’t dwell on it as much as I once did. The ramifications are just so huge, and the subject is just so ugly. It affects all of us. But to totally ignore this is to not fully be a problem solver, a successful revivalist.
For example: why do certain people have such a propensity for evil and their consciences don’t seem to bother them as much as it would us — if we did what they did? And these people often gravitate towards positions of power, including church leadership — or they become professors in seminaries.
“They’re cunning.” And they wouldn’t James-3 curse those who would threaten their power, would they — and James-3 curse those who are supposed to lead?? Nor would they pray (James-3 curse) that people would believe their doctrines of demons??? Of course, they teach a lot of truth too. But their hearts are not right, and it doesn’t seem to bother them as much as those who aren’t born with a compromised bloodline — because the Israelites wouldn’t kill the Nephilim after the flood, as God said to???? Hmmm. So the bloodlines got all compromised.
And I hesitate to say this (but who I’m talking about probably wouldn’t be reading this blog much, except maybe to attack it), but why do certain people not even look fully human? Because….
We think that everyone is like us. But what if they aren’t? And what happens if we let these people that have a higher propensity for evil lead us? We should be leading them.
This is where the church has blown it. The non-pushy people have let the pushy people lead, and we have this mess. And so goes the church, so goes America. We haven’t stood up for what’s right. We let them take us down, while deep down, knowing better, falling into Satan’s trap.
Do you speak in tongues? Everybody can, and really should. How can we fight the unseen enemy otherwise? If so, have you ever directed your prayer language, especially praying for those who curse us? See: I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues
Demons don’t curse people (though they carry out the curses), people (or part-people = the nephilim) do. It’s interesting where those who are cursing some of us sometimes are. Check it out. It’s not just demonic; though, some experiences can be.
When Christians learn to speak in tongues and use their gift, it’s amazing how easy it is to sort things out.
I also think it’s likely that some people we actually know personally have been actually abducted, and many are having difficulty coping with their partial memories. From: Chuck Missler: The Return of the Nephilim

“Somewhere between 1 and 3% (various polls agree) of Americans claim that they have had an abduction experience. That’s over 5 million people—or in that neighborhood.”

– Chuck Missler

Regarding the coming UFO illusion, I don’t know; though, I’ve listened to some of the theories. I have L.A. Marzulli’s blog listed at ToBeFree. I don’t see a lot of evidence for it yet, but will keep an open eye for it as a strong possibility. The phoenix lights is also very interesting in this regard.

Having intentionally lied to the public about the Phoenix Lights, saying the mystery had been solved, Arizona governor says what he really thinks: “…it was probably some form of an alien spacecraft”

The Phoenix Lights Documentary Trailer

Phoenix Lights Documentary: In March 1997 a gigantic unidentified flying object flew slowly over the entire city of Phoenix. Approximately 10,000 people witnessed the incident…

For the record, I have never seen a UFO, nor do I have any evidence at all of myself being abducted. I don’t focus on this subject, as my blogs show.
Jeff

Hated and cursed for never lying when most are willfully sinning liars

“Turns out if you never lie,
there`s always someone mad at you.”

– Scott Westerfeld

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! "Let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned."

[updated & expanded 7/21/23; originally posted on 12/20/09.]

Is The Didache a blueprint for the way churches should be?

This is one of the writings of “the early Christian fathers” that I especially liked. It’s big on unity!

What if we compare The Didache to what is practiced in today’s ‘churches?’ 

But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned.

Is there even one ‘church’ in America that requires reconciliation? How many pastors have fully reconciled so they’re qualified to lead?

The Didache mentions prophets being a common leadership ministry in the late first century church (like Ephesians 4:11). Where are they in today’s churches?

The Didache also has “the way of death” list that is similar to Paul’s “will not inherit the Kingdom” list in Galatians 5.

I also include their 2-day fasting standard to challenge especially myself, again.

Though The Didache didn’t make the canon, the cut to be in the Bible, it clearly deserves a careful look.

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: "There is MIGHT and there is POWER and there is GLORY, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…"

I got this word from God for a church founder in Anchorage, 20 years ago, while getting ready to discuss with the then, head pastor what I had recently been shown about why God couldn’t move in our church. It says a lot about what needs to happen for real Christianity and full revival to occur.
And this is also a salvation issue:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

This is the prophecy that inspired my license plate:

Aug, 9,1990

“Our eyes are full of sawdust. We can’t see clearly to see the kingdom. There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to feel his hurt deeply and say kind words of salve that heal their souls.

[D–––] can do this. This is vital. They are necessary. For he must do this for healing to occur. He is a man of integrity in many ways.

Fear must decrease. Love must increase. He will fight and he will win the battle over the stronghold of fear and unforgiveness, sayeth the Lord.”

Related:
Prophetic Vision of Two Rivers — Many MINISTERS BEGIN in the CLEAN river, that only PUBLIC REPENTANCE & HUMILITY can restore • “He wouldn’t endure SOUND DOCTRINE,” utterly convinced he was alive • Highly trained character ASSASSINS stop at nothing to silence those who speak out and challenge carnal practices of the modern church system • Clearest, MOST BEAUTIFUL WATER I’ve ever seen, living and vibrant, where His POWER and ANOINTING was found!!!

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

Effects of the WELSH REVIVAL 1904-05: Whole communities were radically changed FROM DEPRAVITY TO GLORIOUS GOODNESS. The CRIME RATE dropped, often to nothing. THE POLICE had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings. THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. People who had fallen out BECAME FRIENDS AGAIN!!!!!!!

(video) Asbury Revival, 1970: RECONCILIATION the KEY! — “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘I just hit my 34th person and I’m free!’”

Rick Joyner: “REPENTANCE includes RESTITUTION for the wrongs that have caused injury to others”

What Does God Say About Lying PRESStitutes, Politicians & Pastors: “ALL LIARS, their part is in the lake that burns with fire”

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

Prophecy: Jesus’ Heart-Cry: “Let Us Be ONE” — Life has ceased for a reason. The church is dirty, a place of filth. It is not My home. How can I dwell among an unclean people who hurt each other, who tell each other stories, who hurt from the heart those that care?

Why Leaders Won’t Repent: “I was HURTING INSIDE, but I was much TOO PROUD TO SHOW IT.” “A leader has to have been broken in order to get himself out of the way and realize that he’s not really in the control he thinks he is.” “My gods were ‘get ahead,’ ‘get power.’ I really enjoyed it. I loved being saluted” – Chuck Colson

The Achan Factor — Because of one man’s disobedience the entire nation of Israel had to deal with the “Achan factor” among them before they could come under the umbrella of Almighty God’s blessings once again!

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

How Jezebel Killed One of the Greatest Revivals Ever — Before Azusa Street in 1906, there was the Welsh Revival in 1904

(video) The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next, even greater revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!

Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s *1909 prophecy* of the SHEKINAH GLORY RETURNING to the church *in 100 years*: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. ..the fear of God was on the community, and…they were highly esteemed” | My theory …

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “How upside-down the ‘church’ is today.”
The R-Word: ‘Reconciliation’ is Required to Worship in Spirit and in Truth — Why is this key to revival a taboo subject?

“No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible”
Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent

Hume on Reconciliation: ~”IF YOU’VE MADE A MISTAKE, a blunder, ADMIT IT to yourself, and then GO to the people affected by it, and admit it to them, and TELL THEM YOU’RE SORRY — FULL-HEARTedly and OPENLY. People who do that make an enormous impression. It is the RIGHT, MORAL and SMART thing to do.”

My comment on Francis Frangipane’s post: “Francis, do you remember how you prophesied in Wasilla, Alaska about the REVIVAL happening up here to such a great degree that…” | Paul made sure he was right with everyone, but how many pastors can say that today? | “There is might and there is power and there is GLORY, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right…

(video) A taste of JESUS’ AGONY because His people have HURT SO MANY… – Gary Clark Jr: When My Train Pulls In (Live at Farm Aid 2014)

My Dream of ‘ONE’ Happening at Abbott Loop CC!
Awakening Meetings End at IHOP. Why?

Benny Hester: “When God Ran” — God will RUN when we come back to Him!

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
If we build it He will come:

“Let Us Be ONE” (A Revival Prophecy)

[photo] Abbott Loop Christian Center (Abbott Loop Community Church) — 198

 

Wes Hall: "God can deliver us from everything except an unrepentant heart." Let's forgive and be free!

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOPU Student Awakening, 2/17/10

“God can deliver us from everything except an unrepentant heart.

I felt like there’s some in this room tonight,
you need to repent of bitterness.

You’ve allowed a root of bitterness to grow up in you….

Beloved, that bitterness not only defiles your own spirit,
but it defiles many.

The Bible says, the book of Hebrews said:
Do not allow a root of bitterness to grow up
that would defile many
[via James-3 curses – ed.].”

– Wes Hall, IHOP revivalist — good guy!!!

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: What's Really Going On In Haiti? [Will 'Christians' James-3 curse Pastor Baldwin for exposing Bush family/CIA drug-running?]

“I know if I broach this topic [Bush family drug-running involvement – ed.], many readers (especially my Christian brethren who live under the delusion that the Bush family can do no wrong) will refuse to believe anything I report and will even take their anger and umbrage out on me. So be it.”

“There are many things that do not add up regarding what is going on in Haiti. The way the earthquake behaved; the lack of related seismic and tsunamic activity usually associated with earthquakes of this magnitude; the unprecedented involvement of US military forces being used for “relief efforts” even as commanders are desperate to fill combat theaters in Iraq and Afghanistan; the occupation of another independent nation, which occurred at lightning speed; the vast sums of US taxpayer dollars being expended; the devastation done to key Haitian governmental and banking institutions—which were known to be conduits for international financial disbursements—with virtually no devastation experienced anywhere else…”

From: News with Views

People of goodwill everywhere are rightly sympathetic to the plight of hundreds of thousands of innocent Haitians in the aftermath of the terrible earthquake that rocked the island country. Private donations and volunteer efforts are pouring into Haiti from all over the globe—especially from the United States. This is a good thing, right? So, why am I troubled?

[…]

For one thing, why was an earthquake of this magnitude not felt beyond Port-au-Prince? (The only reports saying tremors were felt out of Haiti belong to US-controlled sources.) All of the testimonies that I have read from people living in the adjoining country of the Dominican Republic (which shares the same island with Haiti) that were quoted by French, British, or Spanish outlets universally say they felt nothing. If the foreign press is reporting the story accurately, the devastation was almost exclusively contained in and around Port-au-Prince. That is very strange to me. Even most of the roads reportedly remained open after the quake.

Another oddity is the fact that this earthquake did not produce a tsunami. It is being called “miraculous” that an earthquake measuring 7.0 on the Richter Scale did not produce a colossal tsunami, which would have affected everyone in the region.

[…]

GAII [Global Analysis International Intelligence] further speculates that the earthquake may have been the work of US Black Ops, which “flattened the French embassy and many of its officials, imploded the United Nations’ own establishments in the Haitian capital, and no doubt obliterated evidence of US Government and rogue official drug-running complicity . . . channeled through the Haitian capital for many years.”

See the intelligence report here.

Intelligence reports are also circulating about the possible disruption of liens and seizures of trillions of dollars by the international community relative to past crimes committed by former Presidents George Bush I and II, and Bill Clinton, which were being channeled through Haiti’s Central Bank.

If any of this is even remotely true, it is certainly more than convenient that the Haitian capital was destroyed.

This particular part of the story is a real sore spot with me. And I know if I broach this topic, many readers (especially my Christian brethren who live under the delusion that the Bush family can do no wrong) will refuse to believe anything I report and will even take their anger and umbrage out on me. So be it.

I am personally convinced that certain members of the Bush and Clinton families have been involved in the international smuggling of illicit drugs for decades. I have spoken in confidence with those who were in positions to know, and they have emphatically told me that both then-Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and then-President George H.W. Bush were complicit in CIA-assisted drug running out of Mena, Arkansas. (You don’t think I would say this if I did not have absolute confidence in the integrity and credibility of these sources, do you? Plus, why would they tell me this at potential great harm to themselves, if it were not true? And, no, I cannot divulge their names, for obvious reasons.) And there is absolutely no reason to believe that similar operations are not ongoing. In my opinion, it would be utterly naïve to think otherwise.

After all, it has been often reported that the CIA used Army Special Forces troops to facilitate the smuggling of drugs out of Indochina during the Vietnam War, has it not? Yes, it has. That rogue elements within the US government would use war–or even earthquakes—as cover and facilitation for illegal drug smuggling or money laundering would not surprise me one bit.

I realize it is extremely difficult for many Americans to contemplate that members of their own federal government could be evil enough to be involved in anything such as is implied above. According to the thinking of many Americans, evil people only live in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, or North Korea. And, of course, that is exactly what government propagandists want us to believe.

The truth is, no country or people has a monopoly on sin. As the prophet Jeremiah was inspired to say, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9) The Apostle Paul agreed. He told the Philippians, “We . . . have no confidence in the flesh.” (Philippians 3:3)

Thomas Jefferson said virtually the same thing when he said, “In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

This is why Jefferson and the rest of America’s founders insisted that we should be diligent to hold our civil magistrates accountable to the limits and protections of the US Constitution. They well understood the sentiments so wisely expressed by Lord Acton, “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.” Christians, of all people, should understand this.

So, why are so many of us so quick to believe everything our government and their toadies in the national media are telling us? Are we so naïve as to believe that unregenerate politicians in Washington, D.C., are incapable of the same evil acts of barbarity and savagery that might be found in other parts of the world? Are sinners less sinful because they happened to receive their fallen nature from American bloodlines?

Entire Article Here
Related:
Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Will Evangelicals Ever Admit They Were Duped by Bush?
Bush: The Bible isn’t Literally True; Evolution is Scientifically Proven; Jesus isn’t the Only Way

No Hate for the New Year? "It is human nature to hate the man whom you have hurt." Love all from your heart. We can all be FREE from guilt & ready to go to heaven — right with each other!

Please…

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News You Won’t Find On CNN
January 01, 2010
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Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America’s War On Iraq:  4,689
icasualties.org/oif/
Number Of  International Occupation Force Troops Slaughtered In Afghanistan : 1,568
http://icasualties.org/oef/
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Cost of War in Iraq
$713,960,144,083
Cost of War in Afghanistan
$235,323,727,875

(video) Art Mathias on It’s Supernatural: Spiritual Roots of Disease — Healed Through Forgiving (If there is pain in a memory there is unforgiveness)

“If there is pain in a memory there is unforgiveness.”

“Medical textbooks list over 60 diseases that are caused by anxiety, stress and fear.”

“It’s not a surprise that anger, resentment, bitterness, jealousy and the rejection issues, fears, words, anxieties cause disease. The American Medical Association says that more than 80 percent of all of our diseases are caused by these emotions.”

“There’s one other verse that kept coming up, 2 Timothy 17. It says, “I haven’t given you a spirit of fear.” And I was born again Christian and I said, I can’t have this spirit. But I knew that I was controlled by all those fears….”

Jesus came to heal the broken heart, and the broken heart is all of that pain, all that hurt and the things that have happened to us in life. And his blood will take away, as we truly forgive, all of that pain. And then the fight-flight process will stop and healing manifests.”

The unforgiveness is still there if that emotional pain is still there.”

* * *

Description of video from video no longer posted at YouTube:

After being healed of Environmental Illness, Art Mathias began teaching others how to identify the root causes of sickness and disease. Art has now seen many types of sickness and disease healed including weight gain, cancer, heart problems, diabetes, allergies, asthma, mental illness, and many more!

Watch the video at It’s Supernatural

This Week’s Guest

Art Mathias

November 9-15, 2009

75% of people that apply Art Mathias’ teachings are healed of all types of sickness and disease! After being healed of Environmental Illness, Art Mathias began teaching others how to identify the root causes of sickness and disease. Art has now seen many types of sickness and disease healed including weight gain, cancer, heart problems, diabetes, allergies, asthma, mental illness, and many more! Art is now seeing a 75% success rate in physical healings when people apply the revelation God has given him.

Sid’s 5-part interview of Art for his radio show can be heard here (goes into more depth)
Video Transcript excerpts:

SID: Hello. I’m Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What happens if you have a terminal disease? You go to the elders of your congregation. They anoint you with oil and you’re not healed. Then you go to the best doctors money can buy and you’re still not healed. Then you go the alternative health route and you’re still not healed. What do you do? My guest says the cause of a high percentage of diseases are toxic emotions. 75 percent of the people that follow his instructions are getting healed, and he says the percentage would be even higher if they would do everything he tells them to do. My guest, Art Mathias, and you found out the hard way.

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SID: And in the meantime, his sister develops tumors and she starts studying an area having to do with forgiveness and gets healed, and she sends the tapes to Art. What happened?

ART: Well I was desperate. In that condition I would even listen to something that I thought was about as hokey as it could be that my thoughts and emotions could have anything to do with what was going on in my physical body. But, you know, I was raised in the church and I didn’t think I had to forgive anything. But as I worked through what she taught me about what bitterness was, I learned that I had a lot of resentment and anger, and unforgiveness, which are all parts of bitterness. And so I started to forgive. I didn’t know how to forgive. But I started to work through. I purpose and I choose to forgive. And then there’s one other verse that kept coming up, 2 Timothy 17. It says, “I haven’t given you a spirit of fear.” And I was born again Christian and I said, I can’t have this spirit. But I knew that I was controlled by all those fears of the future, the fear of the pain that I was living in everyday, the fear that I if couldn’t eat anything, what am I gonna do?

I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues. A reader thankfully put me over the edge : )

I finally spilled the beans about what I know about praying in tongues. It started with this very much appreciated comment by Monica, where I lay it out.

I first respond by talking about forgiving to get free, and then share what I’ve learned and refined since the early ’80s about how to get free by praying in tongues, how to pray for others to get free — even how we can know who is cursing us (bullies beware), lying to us, etc..

And it’s all related to this part of the Let Us Be ONE prophecy: A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

Someday, I’ll probably write this up more formally. But this should help many a lot — those who choose to read this cutting edge, freedom producing overview of what tongues is really about and why it’s for everyone!

God bless!

Jeff Fenske : )

Related:

(audio) Speaking in Tongues to Drive Out Demons — A Christian’s powerbase! Authority over temptations. “You can win, and win big!!”
Nightline: Speaking in tongues medical study PROVES Holy Spirit praying

How to speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit enables you

How to speak in other tongues as the Holy Spirit leads you

Jim Feeney: Why Speak in Tongues? (Is Speaking in Tongues of God? Is It for Today?)

The SCIENCE of Divine Healing – by John G. Lake: “At one time I submitted myself to a series of experiments. It was not sufficient to know that God healed; I had to know how God healed.”

Why are jealousy and envy in Paul's Gal-5 list of who doesn't go to heaven? & When you're a prophet, everyone wants to knock you down? Cursed for being prophetic, for being on target?? Don't people want to know the truth? & Prophetless pastors, what's up? We need each other to be 'ONE'!

I’ve been trying to understand, lately, why jealousy and envy are in Paul’s Gal-5 list of who doesn’t go to heaven.
Perhaps this is a clue:

“When you’re in first place,
everyone wants to knock you down.”

— Bob Chapman
(Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from The Alex Jones Show, 11/20/09)

Bob even mentioned the words, “jealousy” and “envy.” Instead of wishing others well and cheering each other on, LOVING our neighbors as ourselves, knowing that we’re in this boat together, “these people are vindictive” (I believe God said). They lash out, wish each other harm, which is reverse-Christianity.

Notice how many relatives of jealousy and envy are in Paul’s Galatians-5 list:

19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders [James-3 curses?], drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

In the body of Christ, we need each other. We are all uniquely different and are all important. And when one does spiritually well in his/her role, the others have the potential to do better. We should be cheering each other on so the body will be healthy, so we can all better function under the Head, Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 12:

18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body, just as he desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now they are many members, but one body. 21 The eye can’t tell the hand, “I have no need for you,” ….

25 …there should be no division in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 When one member suffers, all the members suffer with it. Or when one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.

When one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.” That’s how it’s supposed to be. So then why are the prophets getting dissed — those who speak the word of truth that would make the body more healthy, helping us to right with each other and to again be attached to and led by the Head, Jesus Christ?
1 Cor. 12 continues:

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 God has set some in the assembly: first apostles, second* prophets, third teachers, then miracle workers, then gifts of healings, helps….

So where is the acknowledgment of the prophets in the church today? Are they to be relegated to the “out of sight, out of mind” corner, never to be heeded? “We don’t need prophets. We’re doing just fine, thank you. And if you try to come out of your corner, we’ll shoot you down — James-3 curse you real good. Don’t rock the boat! We like our boat.” Even though it’s sinking, because “The eye can’t tell the hand, ‘I have no need for you.'”
So if I repeat the quote above that I started this discussion with:

“When you’re in second* place,
everyone wants to knock you down.”

Why don’t pastors seek out and find those who clearly hear words from the Lord for the church? Do pastors really think they can lead without prophets?
“Our only hope is to be ONE.” We need all who are called to be leaders to function together.
Let us be ONE!
FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeee————DOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff Fenske
Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

A. W. Tozer (1897-1963): "What is needed DESPERATELY today is PROPHETIC INSIGHT. Scholars can interpret the past; it takes PROPHETS to INTERPRET the *PRESENT*"

Ephesians 4:

10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things. 11 He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, shepherds and teachers; 12 for the perfecting of the saints, to the work of serving, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error; 15 but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ; 16 from whom all the body, being fitted and knit together through that which every joint supplies, according to the working in measure of each individual part, makes the body increase to the building up of itself in love.

From: Revival School

PROPHETIC PREACHING
-by A.W. Tozer.

If Christianity is to receive a rejuvenation, it must be by other means than any now being used. If the Church in the second half of this century is to recover from the injuries she suffered in the first half, there must appear a new type of preacher. The proper, ruler-of-the- synagogue type will never do. Neither will the priestly type of man who carries out his duties, takes his pay and asks no questions, nor the smooth-talking pastoral type who knows how to make the Christian religion acceptable to everyone. All these have been tried and found wanting.

Another kind of religious leader must arise among us. He must be of the old prophet type, a man who has seen visions of God and has heard a voice from the Throne. When he comes (and I pray God there will be not one but many), he will stand in flat contradiction to everything our smirking, smooth civilization holds dear. He will contradict, denounce and protest in the name of God and will earn the hatred and opposition of a large segment of Christendom. Such a man is likely to be lean, rugged, blunt-spoken and a little bit angry with the world. He will love Christ and the souls of men to the point of willingness to die for the glory of the One and the salvation of the other. But he will fear nothing that breathes with mortal breath.

This is only to say that we need to have the gifts of the Spirit restored again to the Church. And it is my belief that the one gift we need most now is the gift of prophecy.

“Of the sons of Issachar who had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do, their chiefs were two hundred” -1 Chr 12:32. A prophet is one who knows his times and what God is trying to say to the people of his times….

Today we need prophetic preachers; not preachers of prophecy merely, but preachers with a gift of prophecy. The word of wisdom is missing. We need the gift of discernment again in our pulpits. It is not ability to predict that we need, but the anointed eye, the power of spiritual penetration and interpretation, the ability to appraise the religious scene as viewed from God’s position, and to tell us what is actually going on….

Where is the man who can see through the ticker tape and confetti to discover which way the parade is headed, why it started in the first place and, particularly, who is riding up front in the seat of honor?…

What is needed desperately today is prophetic insight. Scholars can interpret the past; it takes prophets to interpret the present. Learning will enable a man to pass judgment on our yesterdays, but it requires a gift of clear seeing to pass sentence on our own day….

“Lord, I pray for that gift of prophetic insight. Move me beyond the knowledge You’ve enabled me to gain through education, reading, and study. I pray that I might lead as one ‘who has seen visions of God and has heard a voice from the throne.’ Amen.”

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Related: A. W. Tozer (1897-1963): “Our God has now become our servant to wait on our will”

A Picture of Today's 'Church?' Regina Spektor's "The Calculation" Interpreted: If one has the courage to go there, beneath the facade of 'perfect love' are hard-as-stone hearts unknowingly cursing one another. "Hey, this fire is burning us up!" — Let's get it right! Our hearts were meant for worship, not war; for perfect love, not hate. May we be 'ONE' in Christ Jesus!

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we made our own computer out of macaroni pieces
And it did our thinking
while we lived our lives
It counted up our feelings
And divided them up even
And
it called that calculation perfect love

Didn’t even know that love was bigger
Didn’t even know
That love was so, so …

So we made the hard decision
And we each made an incision
Past our muscles and our bones
Saw our hearts were little stones

Pulled ’em out they weren’t beating
And we
weren’t even bleeding
As we lay ’em on the granite counter top

We beat ’em up
Against each other

We beat ’em up
Against each other

We struck ’em hard
Against each other

We struck ’em so hard
So hard until they sparked

Hey this fire it’s burnin’
Burnin’ us up

______

But we didn’t mind
We didn’t know better
.

“Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” — Jesus

People don’t know that deep within…?

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Regina Spektor performing “The Calculation” on Good Morning America (6-23-09)

Related:
Paul Meier: “The most deceitful thing in God’s universe is our own hearts”
Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’
Saul Hated David, Refusing to Let God’s Choice Lead, and It’s No Different Today
WordPOWER: It’s not just a head thing — we must be clean deep within
A Heart that is Clean Can Shake Mountains

Let that Dirty Thing Go, The Monster That Hides Inside

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within
There Should Only Be One Voice
John Prine: Some Humans Ain’t Human [Austin City Limits]

When attacked & cursed, tune into your heart, tune into Love; take it cheerfully and say: 'Thank you, God.' In the end you get it all back many times over!

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from The Alex Jones Show, 9/11/09

There’s always a price to pay. The old African proverb, what is it a Zulu proverb: ‘no good deed goes unpunished?’ [laughs] It’s true, but no good deed goes unrewarded as well.

Because I learned in my life the curses, the bad things people do to you, it always has a price up front. But if you take it cheerfully and say, ‘thank you, God that my enemies are attacking me,’ like Job, in the end you get it all back, many times over — when you tune into your heart, tune into Love, tune into your center.”

– Alex Jones

Reverse-Christianity: Baptist 'Pastor' Prays (James-3 curses) that Barack Obama Would die and Go to Hell. Entitles His Sermon "Why I Hate Barack Obama"

From: AllHeadlineNews

The pastor of the Faithful Word Baptist Church who preached two weeks ago for the death of President Barack Obama is not backing down from his controversial sermon, but has made clear he wants the President to die of natural causes and that his prayers [James-3 curses – ed.] were part of a “spiritual warfare.”

Steven Anderson’s sermon on Aug. 16 entitled “Why I Hate Barack Obama” is making the rounds on the internet and is a popular video on YouTube [Link – ed.]. In it, he cites Obama’s abortion stance as his reason for wishing violence upon the President.

“Let me tell you something, I hate Barack Obama,” Anderson says. “You’re going to say, well you don’t like what he stands for — no, I hate the person. You just don’t like his policies, no I hate him! I’m going to prove this from the Bible tonight, why I should hate him, why God wants me to hate Barack Obama, why God hates Barack Obama.”

“I am not going to pray for his good. I am going to pray that he dies and goes to hell,” he adds. “Since Barack Obama thinks it is OK to use a salty solution, right, to abort the unborn, because that’s how abortions are done, my friend, using salt — and I would like to see Barack Obama melt like a snail tonight.”

A father of five who founded the Tempe-based church in 2005, Anderson told FOX 10 on Sunday he hopes “God strikes Barack Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy” but that he won’t take up arms because his wish is part of “spiritual warfare.”

Entire Article Here

Related:

(video) REMOVING REPENTANCE! Steven Anderson’s False Gospel Exposed — “We’re not supposed to go around hating, trying to call down fire on our enemies, like the Old Testament, hating people, and wishing them death, and praying imprecatory prayers against people”

My ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts at ONEcanhappen

My People Cursing People posts at ToBeFree

Sad 🙁 A Pastor-Cursing-People Example Here in Anchorage, Alaska!
God’s Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Sad :( A Pastor-Cursing-People Example Here in Anchorage, Alaska! | The Theology of James-3 Cursing

Wow! I’m so disappointed.

I just got back from a service this morning in which the pastor openly led the people to curse the abortionists during the pre-service prayer. [Actually, I went to Costco instead of sitting through the service. I just can’t stomach this.]

He prayed that they wouldn’t be able to sleep, and that God’s wrath would be on them — among other things. Yikes!

What about the ‘Christians’ who supported all of President Bush’s wars in which we killed many hundreds of thousands of innocent old folk, adults, children and embryos (women carrying children)? And many of these people won’t go to heaven like aborted fetuses will. Over 1 million people (made in God’s likeness) are dead in Iraq alone.

Which is the greater sin?

We did it in the name of Love, and it besmirched His name. I don’t hear any evangelical pastors leading prayers of repentance for that.

First, we take the plank out of our own eye. Then we’ll see clearly how to take the speck out of our neighbor’s eye. – Jesus

This is reverse-Christianity, you all: killing innocent people with bombs and bullets and wishing people dead with our prayers (James-3 curses). It’s God’s job to avenge, not ours. We’re to be examples of Love: “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” Whatever happened to WWJD — What Would Jesus Do?

This is sick, that ‘Christians’ think they can curse others who are made in Jesus’ likeness.

James 3 totally spells it out:

9 With it [our tongue] we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God. 10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?

And if we read carefully, the deepest place of origin is not the tongue, but the heart (verse 14). And the source is demonic (verse 15). We need to have clean hearts, literally. Then we’ll have FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee————–dom!!!!!!!!!!
The only way I’ll ever possibly pray anything heavy on someone, I let God decide what to pray, by either praying in tongues for them or saying, Father, you deal with them according to what you determine is right.
It’s not for us to specifically pray (James-3 curse) in God’s wrath. James warns us to not do this!

Some will say it’s Biblical because David cursed those who were about to kill him. Well, there is zero support for this in the New Testament, which teaches a new and better way by which we draw near to God, Abba Father, now that we have the Holy Spirit inside of us. [And just because we have the Holy Spirit inside us doesn’t mean we’re going to heaven. See Rev. 3:1-5]

Consider Psalm 50. “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought I was just like you.”

16 But to the wicked God says, “What right do you have to declare my statutes, that you have taken my covenant on your lips,

17 since you hate instruction, and throw my words behind you?

18 When you saw a thief, you consented with him, and have participated with adulterers.

19 “You give your mouth to evil. Your tongue frames deceit.

20 You sit and speak against your brother. You slander your own mother’s son.

21 You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. I will rebuke you, and accuse you in front of your eyes.

22 “Now consider this, you who forget God, lest I tear you into pieces, and there be none to deliver. [Hell – editor]

23 Whoever offers the sacrifice of thanksgiving glorifies me, and prepares his way so that I will show God’s salvation to him.” For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David, when Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.

Worship, not James-3 cursing prepares the way.
May we be holy. May the blood of no one be on our hands. May we be clean, and be right with all mankind.

We are not God. We live according to His rules. He calls the shots. “Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons and daughters of God.” “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh.”

Again: First, we take the plank out of our own eyes. Then we’ll see clearly how to take the speck out of our neighbors’ eyes. The Holy Spirit will give us wisdom how to remove specks from others when we remove our planks, first. And cursing people are huge planks!!

Just think if we actually Biblically were salt and light. That we would be ONE, Jesus prayed. How would this put a dent in abortions? How many thousands of mothers would then be inspired to carry their children to full term — those who now are going into the clinics to terminate their child?

Com’ on people! Let’s love, love, love — and love some more — being c a r e f u l!

The Devil answers the cursing prayers, not God, and then the blood (or their sicknesses) are on our heads. May this never be.

“Don’t be overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good.”

Our goal is to be like Christ, to be ONE!

The greatest two commandments should be our focus, which means loving even those who would kill babies — which includes those who supported President Bush’s wars and refuse to repent (paragraph 4 above).

And the greatest commandment is to love the Lord, our God with all of our heart… — not cursing others from our hearts.

nohate

They’ll know us by our love —
not by our James-3 curses,

Jeff Fenske

Related:

My ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts at ONEcanhappen

My People Cursing People posts at ToBeFree

God’s Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

The Boot Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!!

From: ONEcanhappen

Related:

Boot camp kills the conscience
so soldiers can do evil without
being convicted in their hearts

If possible, I usually try to find articles already written so I don’t have to reinvent the wheel. There must be great articles written on this subject, but I haven’t been able to find them. So I’ll share what’s on my heart.

I’ll start with some key texts.

Elders’ Qualifications according to 1 Timothy 3:

1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop [overseer or elder] then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker*, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler….

* A striker doesn’t just strike with his hands, but James-3 curses people from his heart. See my ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts
King David was not allowed to build the temple because his hands were stained with blood. 1 Cor. 22:

7 David said to Solomon his son, “As for me, it was in my heart to build a house to the name of Yahweh my God. 8 But the word of Yahweh came to me, saying, ‘You have shed blood abundantly, and have made great wars. You shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in my sight. 9 Behold, a son shall be born to you, who shall be a man of rest. I will give him rest from all his enemies all around; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness to Israel in his days. 10 He shall build a house for my name….

Does military mind-control programming disqualify church leaders? No, but: according to Galatians 5, true Christians have crucified their flesh and are now free from everything in the first list, here.

Only leaders who are truly called by God to lead and who have crucified their flesh (including the hate programming), exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit in this second list are truly qualified to lead God’s people.

19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders [he who hates his brother is a murderer], drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God [not go to heaven, see 6:7-9].

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ [true, Christians] have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts [deprogrammed from the works of the flesh, above — NO HATE].

I just took a fabulous fine-art photography workshop in which the instructor said a couple of times that photographers who can’t cry shouldn’t be [art] photographers. Art photography should be from the heart, not just an exercise in logic.
And this would be true of great music too.

I was writing a friend, thinking about how there seems to be this big gap between men and women photographers in being able to shoot from the heart. Women can cry, but I can cry too.

What happened to men so many can no longer cry? Most aren’t born that way. How do men lose their ability to express sorrow and even joy with tears?

Boot camp? A large percentage of men have gone through boot camp. And a huge percentage of children have had fathers who went through boot camp. So what’s the big deal? We need to train men to fight, right?

We’ve seen the movies, the documentaries where they break recruits down to build them up — swearing in their face, telling young men they’re basically a piece of ____, and then telling them: “you’re a Marine!” “You’re a man now,” once they complete the mind-control program called boot camp.

But what just happened to those young men so many will no longer cry, and many will kill on command without question, without engaging the soul?
What happens when the recruits are sworn at, called trash?

I don’t know to what degree this happens anymore, but this is my theory. The drill sergeants teach the young recruits to hate. They teach them to have hate and anger for people, which is a reverse-Christian concept, and they teach these just-barely-not-boys that the enemy are gooks or some other derogatory, sub-human name.
Boys are being conditioned to not love anymore. Loyalty is not the same as love. Their hearts are hardened, and then these men return to civilian life and become husbands, fathers, and even pastors.

Paul said an elder cannot be a striker. How many boot-camp-affected pastors are free of the hate demons installed into them during boot camp or by a boot-camp-graduate Dad, teacher, whatever — pastor???

Anyone can be set free from any demon(s), including these boot camp ones.

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Why have I had license plates that say NO HATE for 14 years? I found out that hate and unforgiveness were among the root causes of why people were getting hurt in the church I was attending, and this problem wasn’t being adequately addressed, or solved.

But this is also a community-wide situation. It’s one of the roots of the problem as well as one of the keys to the solution.

Why in the world did most pastors support the Bush/Cheney pro-immoral-war policies without question?

There are many reasons, but I think this boot-camp factor is hugely responsible. Most pastors aren’t even willing to research what these and many of the previous wars are all about. Perhaps they think this would show weakness, but in reality it would show Christlikeness.

“He who hates his brother is a murderer and does not have eternal life abiding in him.” How many men (including pastors) have sold their soul during boot camp and haven’t repented.

And look at the mess we’re in now. They won’t investigate what really happened on 9/11. They rubber stamped every immoral and unconstitutional act that President Bush did. And they wouldn’t support the true Christian, pro-life-for-adults-and-babies candidate, Ron Paul.

And now we’re sitting in this mess.

Please, if you have hate and anger in your heart, remember that we will not be forgiven unless we forgive even our enemies, no matter what the boot camp influenced pastors teach. What did Jesus teach? Would he have gone along with the hate indoctrination, or would he have remained free to love everyone no matter what?

We saw how he died, and how Stephen died. How many modern day pastors would forgive their enemies like Jesus and Stephen did? How many curse people whom merely just disagree with them, people who are trying to bring in peace?
We need a healing from this boot-camp induced hate.

It may be too late to restore America, but we can restore the church to actually doing the greatest two commandments, which are all about loving God with our all and all of our neighbors (including Al Qaeda) as ourselves.

Then we will be ONE as Jesus prayed we would be in John 17: ONE with each other and ONE in God, Himself, Who died so everyone could be set free. Matthew 5:

7 Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

Jesus said that only the pure in heart will see God. Only the peacemakers are truly children of God — Christians.

NO HATE.

Let that Dirty Thing Go, The Monster That Hides Inside, the demon that hold you back.

FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee———-DOM!!!!!!!!!!!

And “no John Waynes,” from part 21 of my “Let Us Be ‘ONE'” prophecy. Jesus:

A way that is right for a man is not My way. You must obey.

No heroes,
no John Waynes,
none that disobey,
thinking they are so cool.

I hope you see this, that the world can’t give you life. It’s not full, and pride will cease. Watch it get squashed when the end-times come, the final days the world will see. I will come with a sword, and few will recognize that I am the one who died for their sins, and be thankful, because then it will be too late. Now is the day of salvation. Now is the time to get ready, full of Me.

Strengthen your loins. Make haste to obey. Fill yourselves with righteousness for all to see. Then they will be glad, because you obeyed. Many will follow when the time is right.

Now many are weary. They mistrust. They judge without love. They need to respect My opinion. Then they can relax, once they are in Me—anger no more. Rebellion will cease.

A new way has come, leading many into victory, where they can stay in Me and never get out.

We can be ONE. Many will see it and be glad—for you obeyed.

Power to the Peaceful!

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Love,

Jeff Fenske : )

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Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Good-For-Nothing "Christians" — We are Responsible!

Jesus (Mt. 5:13):

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it [USA & the world] be salted?

It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.”

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Pastor Baldwin:

When the salt loses its savor, it is “cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.” And that is exactly what is happening to us today.

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If one is looking for someone to blame America’s demise on, don’t look to the prostitutes, drug dealers, or crooked politicians: look no further than the doorsteps of America’s churches.

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Pastor Baldwin James-3 cursed?

Genuine Bible prophets usually occupy the pulpits where hardly anyone attends. Truth has been replaced with entertainment, and calls for repentance are drowned out by the clamor for prosperity theology.

I can tell you from personal experience that, in more than 34 years of Gospel ministry, it has never been harder to continue to carry the torch of truth than it is today. It takes a toll on one’s physical health and emotional being, and even on one’s family. Any pastor desiring to carry the torch of truth today need not expect to have many friends. And any evangelist desiring to carry the torch of truth today need not expect to get many meetings. Truth is about as popular as a bad case of the measles, and yes, I mean among today’s professing “Christians.”

From: News With Views

“Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.” (Matt. 5:13 KJV)

Jesus said that salt without savor is “good for nothing.” Savor is the ingredient, the character that gives salt its quality–and its value. When salt is as it should be, it is a most precious commodity. Not only is it used as a seasoning; it is, more importantly, a preservative. As most everyone knows, salt was the primary source of food preservation before the days of refrigeration. Salt has been deemed to be so valuable at times that wars have actually been waged over it. During times of unusual deprivation, salt can be even more valuable than precious metals. But when salt loses its saltiness, it is absolutely worthless; it is “good for nothing.”

Jesus plainly proclaimed that He viewed His disciples as being the salt of society. In other words, when believers have the character they should have, they provide the preservation of the land. They hold back and retard the putrefying properties of spoilage and decay. But when Christians lose their character, when they lose the internal resistance to decay, they become “good for nothing” and the result is, the land is “trodden under foot of men.”

It grieves me to say that, for the most part, the modern Christian, the modern pastor, and the modern church have lost their savor. Taken as a whole, we have lost our inner character: the ability to resist decay and preserve the land has long departed, and America is fast being “trodden under foot of men.”

Our churches are no longer places of respite from the world: they are mirrors of it: the same dress; the same attitudes; the same carnality; the same spirit; the same stubbornness; the same pride. Churches are no longer bastions of truth: they are glorified social clubs or mere corporations, where Christianity is never allowed to interfere with business. Instead of being watchmen on the wall, our pastors are CEOs or, even worse, politicians. Popularity and personal ambition far outweigh commitment to truth and an independent mind. And as for Christian homes, forget it. The modern American home is straight out of Isaiah chapter three: “babes shall rule over them.” In the average “Christian” home, children rule the mothers, and mothers, in turn, rule the fathers. Discipline and instruction are out; leniency and ignorance are in.

We have a pandemic all right, but it’s not the swine flu: it is a pandemic of spineless Christianity. Parents who cannot stand up to their own children; pastors who cannot stand up to their own congregations; religious leaders who cannot stand up to politicians; and churches that cannot stand up to unconstitutional government.

Our so-called “conservative Christian” special interest groups are far more concerned about not losing financial contributions than they are about confronting the real evils of society. And as far as the Religious Right is concerned, it lost its soul somewhere early on in the first administration of George W. Bush.

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