Year: 2010 Page 7 of 10

In IHOPKC International House of Prayer

On April 2, 2010

4/5 update:
A beta version of the new archives player is up, which isn’t working very well in both Safari and Firefox on my Mac. Hopefully, they’ll get things worked out.
So far, it looks like there will be some drawbacks and advantages to this new player.

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IHOP’s archives player is missing from their website.
I’m hoping this isn’t permanent. My preferred way (by far) to watch and listen to IHOP’s prayer room and the awakening services The Prayer Room at IHOP: How to navigate the Archives player to watch different sessions or to pause, repeat, … isn’t currently available.
I wrote IHOP to see if this will be permanent, and if so, will be a way to still access the player by paid subscription.
Personally, I try to find the most inspirational moments in the prayer room, and listen only to them. The live, streaming options they have now are like stepping back into the dark ages for me. I hope there is a way out, and I don’t mind paying for it.
Wes Hall has been saying that only about half of the webstream expenses are being covered, so they may have cut the archives player as part of the cost saving.
Jeff

Francis Frangipane: Angry, Angry, Angry — "It's hard to remember a time when people were more angry." "Why does He wait? He desires to bring believers to Christlike maturity" "This world, with all its evil, is the perfect setting to bring us to Christlike maturity. Here, we have real enemies that God can use to perfect our love…"

On March 30, 2010

In Demons in Christians?, No Enemy, Revival

From: frangipane.org

Angry, Angry, Angry
By Francis Frangipane

It’s hard to remember a time when people were more angry. A civilized person ought to be, first of all, civil. Yet, today there is no discourse, no respect for another’s opinion, no reasoning together for the common good. I am concerned, especially for the church.

One may argue, “Our society is decaying. We should be mad.” Yes, but we can be angry yet still not sin (see Eph 4:26). [Eph. 4:26 fully says (with verses 26b and 27): “be angry and do not sin; let not the sun go down upon your wrath. neither give place to the devil” – ed.].

[…]

I will tell you how I look at this. I believe that if the Almighty’s highest plan was to end evil on Earth, He could do so in a flash. Why does He wait? He desires to bring believers to Christlike maturity. In a moment evil would be gone, as it was with Sodom and Gomorrah. But we must never forget: Jesus did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.

What God waits for is us. Our Christlike perfection is the harvest upon which the Father waits. He desires to bring many sons to glory, and this world, with all its evil, is the perfect setting to bring us to Christlike maturity. Here, we have real enemies that God can use to perfect our love; in this environment, we have actual foes whose persecution helps to perfect our prayer.

Yes, we should be angry about what’s wrong, but we must be Christlike in making things right. We cannot just be political; we must be spiritual, like people from another realm.

Rightly there are times when we must defend the helpless among us, but concerning ourselves, let us consider again what Jesus commanded:

“But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 5:39-45).

You see, God desires mature sons and daughters who, while fighting for their world, open the door of love into His world. To see our nation transformed, we ourselves must be transformed. Otherwise, we will risk becoming Christian hypocrites: angry that the world is not Christian but untroubled that we are not Christlike.

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Most 'Christians' are Demon Driven and Can Be Free!

On March 30, 2010

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Lust Freedom!, No Enemy

“…the fear of rejection, the fear, the rejection, the anger, the hatred, the rage, all of that gone.

Because what would use to happen if I would get into a threatening situation I would feel something rise up within me and grip me, and push me to a feared corner. And I was controlled by fear.

And I’m convinced now that when something rises up in a person and grips them, and pushes them in a negative direction, that thing is a demon.

And I have none of that kind of stuff within me any more. There’s nothing that rises up within me, grips me and pushes me. I’m free.”

From: Sid Roth

Sid Roth welcomes Mark Virkler

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Mark Virkler. And we’re going to talk about an area that a lot of people confine to the back rooms. But one-third of the ministry, almost one-third of the ministry that Jesus had was casting evil spirits out of people. There was a freedom that the primitive early church had that is lacking so much today. Now Mark, tell me what your first experience was with deliverance.

MARK: My first experience was with a deacon in our church. He came and he said he had an uncontrollable sin issue. He has fasted, he had prayed, he memorized scripture. Nothing worked. And it was lust, and he would instantly undress every woman who came into the church. He hated himself for it and he could not overcome it. And so he said, “Do you think this could be a demon? And I said, “I don’t know.” ‘Cause I had never cast a demon out of anybody. But I said, “If you want us to pray for you we can.” And so we did. The three elders of the church got together. We prayed for him and within about a half hour to an hour, two or three demons surfaced and we cast them out. I mean, the guy was shaking and there was gruff voice and it said, “I’m not coming out.” And we said, “Yes, you’re coming out.” And we used the name of Jesus. We cast it out. There was sweat pouring off of him. He was shaking. They came out. And I thought, wow, that’s a new experience, because I didn’t even know deacons could have demons. And so I went back to him a week later, six weeks later, a month later, six months later, a year later, two years later, and I asked him the same question: “Is your life different?” And he said yes. He said, “Now it’s like any other sin. I can crucify it when I chose to and I chose to crucify it.” So his compulsion, which was caused by a demon, was broken and he was set free of it through delivered prayer.

[…]

SID: So for ten years he would have nothing to do with deliverance until he went to a conference in Australia and all of a sudden he was getting some very usual thoughts.

MARK: Well my life had been getting more mucked up, as I would call it. I picked up some anger and fear, and fear of rejection.

SID: I didn’t know pastors did that. [laugh]

MARK: [laugh] I didn’t either. I thought once I was ordained I’d have no more sin issues. But, you know, I got fired from some jobs and some people wounded me, and so I had wounds in my heart. And some demons said, “We can help you with those wounds.” So they’d magnify them. And here I am starting a 21-day speaking tour in Australia and I’m feeling fear of rejection, rejection, anger, and I’m saying, “God, you know, I’m in no shape to minister.” So I asked a surgeon and his wife, who I had heard did prayer ministry, if she would pray for me. And he said he’d check. And so the next day the two of them got together and they spent three hours praying for me. And in those three hours she was amazing. They got about 20 demons out of me, which really made me feel better. And I was amazed that I had 20 demons and if she could get them out in three hours–

SID: Here’s the bottom line. How was your life different after that?

MARK: Well the fear of rejection, the fear, the rejection, the anger, the hatred, the rage, all of that gone. Because what would use to happen if I would get into a threatening situation I would feel something rise up within me and grip me, and push me to a feared corner. And I was controlled by fear. And I’m convinced now that when something rises up in a person and grips them, and pushes them in a negative direction, that thing is a demon. And I have none of that kind of stuff within me any more. There’s nothing that rises up within me, grips me and pushes me. I’m free.

SID: But when she prayed for you, she showed you seven very supernatural prayers and you’ve been praying this over people ever since. What type of results have you gotten?

MARK: We have gotten tremendous results. As I looked at those seven prayers, which I realize she was detaching the anchors the demons hung on to, and that’s why the demons came out so easily.

SID: And the reason they stayed that one time you failed was because they actually are like attorneys. They have legal rights to stay.

MARK: Yeah. And so she would remove all the legal rights through these first six prayers, and the seventh prayer was to cast the demon out. And at that point it would come out easily without any pressure because it’s no longer attached to something within the individual.

SID: And just out of curiosity, when you would pray for normal deliverance, it would be hours and they would yell and scream, and fight. Do you see much of that now?

MARK: No, no. See that’s over with now because now deliverance is usually maybe two or three minutes.

SID: I like that. Don’t go away. We’ll tell you some of these seven supernatural prayers. Be right back.

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This Week’s Guest

Mark Virkler
February 22-28, 2010

After 20 years of ministry, Mark Virkler finally experienced complete emotional and spiritual transformation. Mark discovered seven supernatural prayers that remove the legal right of the demonic and usher in healing for the spirit, soul, and body.

[screenshots] Jaye Thomas leading worship at the IHOP Awakening 3/26/10

On March 27, 2010

In IHOPKC International House of Prayer, Photos, Worship

Selected and processed by Jeff Fenske

Praise God!!! Jaye Thomas is leading the 2nd half of tonight's IHOP revival meeting! Yes!!!!!!!

On March 26, 2010

In Freedom

First time that I’m aware of during these meetings! Yes!!!!!!!!

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My Theory on Divorce and ‘Marriage’: It’s Time to Get Out of UNBIBLICAL ‘Marriages’ — "God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers." We must all be clean!

Clarifying My Perspective on Divorce and Marriage: The Role of the Holy Spirit

On March 26, 2010

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?

NOTE: I Posted this in early January (2010) as a theory, simply titled: My Theory On Divorce, which is radically different to what is taught and practiced by many ‘Christians,’ today, but this is something I’ve believed for many years.

Also, I wrote these two articles to clarify further:

Divorce and ‘Marriage,’ Part 3: The Anointing — “Tell them about Pastor E.”

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Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled:
but God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.
(Hebrews 13:4)

Until now, Marriage/Divorce/Remarriage is a subject I’ve avoided mostly because I haven’t gotten any specific revelations from God on this subject, like I have many others. For example: how tithing is unbiblical, who really goes to heaven, ‘Christians’ James-3 cursing people, how ‘ONE’ can happen (we should be ONE! – John 17), etc. — I’ve hit these subjects hard on this site. But a commenter brought up this subject, so I thought it would be good to discuss it in its own post.

I’ve decided to present my view as a theory that perhaps others and the Holy Spirit will then confirm or clarify. As always, comments are welcome, and also as always, you can be anonymous if you’d like.
Marriage

There are so many people in a quandry. First, so many have gotten married without making sure their spouse was God’s will, and some pastors are happy to oblige.

I know one pastor who said from the pulpit that God doesn’t care who we marry. Really? Really?? [I actually walked out, the first time ever, horrified because I had already seen some of the devastation of this in his life and ministry…] James 4 says:

13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow let’s go into this city, and spend a year there, trade, and make a profit.” 14 Whereas you don’t know what your life will be like tomorrow. For what is your life? For you are a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. 15 For you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will both live, and do this or that.” 16 But now you glory in your boasting. All such boasting is evil. 17 To him therefore who knows to do good, and doesn’t do it, to him it is sin.

Isn’t who we marry more important than where we live? Isn’t who we marry part of what James calls “this or that?” Aren’t we supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit? Isn’t He supposed to lead us into all truth?

Our heavenly Father does care. He didn’t leave us as orphans. We ought to say, “if the Lord wills…” — “Your will be done.” But many have married without making sure, and now, many wish they had….

But that’s not the main issue I’d like to discuss here; though, feel free to comment on this if you’d like. I’d like to present some ideas on this issue:

What if a ‘Christian’ marries one who is unbiblically divorced? Should he/she stay ‘married’? Are they even married in God’s eyes? Can they then marry (though the world would call it remmariage)?

Jesus said twice in Matthew that whoever marries someone who is unbiblically divorced is committing adultery:

Matthew 5:31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce,’ 32 but I tell you that whoever puts away his wife, except for the cause of sexual immorality, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries her when she is put away commits adultery.

Matthew 19:3 Pharisees came to him, testing him, and saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason?” 4 He answered, “Haven’t you read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall join to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh?’ 6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, don’t let man tear apart.” 7 They asked him, “Why then did Moses command us to give her a bill of divorce, and divorce her?” 8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it has not been so. 9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery.”

In today’s false, God-forgives-everything-and-it’s-okay mentality, many ‘Christians’ just think it’s okay to stay ‘married,’ even though Jesus calls what they are doing adultery. They are not truly married in God’s eyes no matter what the pastor who married them said, or the certificate they got from the state says.

Lastblast said this in this comment:

What I found in God’s Word is that many “marriages” in the church today are not “marriages” to God, but are adulterous unions—–unions He NEVER joined as one flesh. What He showed me in His Word is that what we have in the church today is an unprecedented amount of husband/wife swapping……………brethren who are defrauding brethren. Brethren who are not “having their own wives/husbands”, but are taking other’s wives/husbands. What we have are pastors who somehow are teaching that once one punches through that sin gauntlet (whosoever divorces their spouse and marries another commits adultery and whosoever marries one divorced commits adultery) that “voila” they are not [I think he meant now – ed.] joined as ONE FLESH by God.

Where can we find such a teaching in God’s Word? He calls such relationships, adultery (having UNLAWFUL relations with someone who is NOT their spouse). How can one commit adultery AND be married in the sight of God? They can’t. The teaching that once you confess this sin, it is then ok with God to remain in the same relationship is another fallacy. Where do we EVER find in God’s word that confession changes the nature of an illicit relationship? …

So what should one do who is in this situation: legally, but unbiblically ‘married’ to someone who wasn’t biblically qualified to remarry?

First, I think it’s fairly easy to see that they shouldn’t stay married. for they are living in sin, no matter what today’s preachers say. But then, can they rightly marry in God’s eyes someone who is biblically qualified to marry, now that they are legally divorced from a marriage that God never recognized as a marriage?

I think so [providing they seek God to know it this person is the one, as I stated above. This is far more important than where we live. God wants in on these decisions. He wants us to be happy and fulfilled! — not messing around as Fatherless orphans, trying this and that] because in God’s eyes they were never married. They were just committing adultery.

I think these people are Biblically qualified to marry, because they really never were.

It’s time to get out of unbiblical, adulteress marriages. Hebrews 13:4 —

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: but God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.

Clarifying My Perspective on Divorce and Marriage: The Role of the Holy Spirit

Divorce and ‘Marriage,’ Part 3: The Anointing — “Tell them about Pastor E.”

(video) David Pawson Interview on “Divorce & Remarriage” —

Unbiblically married? What to do…

John MacArthur Gets Dan Corner’s Skull and Crossbones Award | John MacArthur To The ‘Adulterously’ Married

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Patrick Henry —> Jeffrey Fenske: When a people forget God, tyrants forge their chains —> America has forgotten God because of the false doctrine of "once saved, always saved" and "it's hard to lose one's salvation." Here come the chains!

In 'Church' is the Cause of the Crash, Doctrines of Demons?, Who Goes to Heaven

On March 24, 2010

“Bad men cannot make good citizens.

It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.

A vitiated [debased – ed.] state of morals,
a corrupted public conscience is incompatible with freedom
[FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee———–DOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! – ed.].

No free government or the blessings of liberty can be preserved to any people
but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue;
and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles [sound doctrine – ed.].”

– Patrick Henry

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There is no fear of God in the land.

The twin false doctrines of “once saved, always saved”
and “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation”
have destroyed America.

Here come the chains!

My $1,500 Challenge! I will give $1,500 to anyone who can refute my
“Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way” article.

– Jeff Fenske

William Penn: “Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants”

On March 24, 2010

In FreedomQuotes

“Men must be governed by God
or they will be ruled by tyrants”

•

“Where God does not govern,
tyrants will rule”

– William Penn

Patrick Henry: When a people forget God, tyrants forge their chains

On March 24, 2010

In FreedomQuotes, Real History

“Bad men cannot make good citizens.

It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.

A vitiated [debased – ed.] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience is incompatible with freedom [FREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee———–DOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! – ed.].

No free government or the blessings of liberty can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles [sound doctrine – ed.].”

— Patrick Henry

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Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, Give me liberty or give me death. But in current textbooks the context of these words is deleted.

Here is what he said:

“An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death.”

These sentences have now been erased from our textbooks.

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Was Patrick Henry a Christian? These are the words he wrote shortly before his death:

“I have disposed of all my property to my family. There is one thing more I wish I could give to them, and that is the Christian religion. If they had that and I had not given them one cent, they would be rich. If they have not that, and I had given them the world, they would be poor.”

(source)

Katherine Albrecht: Mark of the Beast Almost Ready For Implementation/Implantation

On March 21, 2010

In Freedom

Two great, patriotic Christians discuss the mark of the Beast technology —
how it’s being implemented piecemeal already,
getting ready for the real thing!

From:
Dr. Stanley Monteith’s Radio Liberty Audio Archives

Date: 03-10-10
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The History of Reverse-Worship: The Focus is On Us, Not HIM — A Disturbing Trend

On March 21, 2010

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, IHOPKC International House of Prayer, Personal, Real History, Revival, Worship

From: ONEcanhappen

The History of Reverse-Worship:
The Focus is On Us, Not HIM

By Jeff Fenske

You may have heard this analogy:

First, their was LIFE magazine.

Then, PEOPLE.

Then, US,

And now we have SELF magazine.

No, it didn’t start with HIM magazine, but this shows a trend in America towards self-centeredness — and this is what has happened to worship in the church.
Isn’t worship blessing God, glorifying Him, magnifying God, the Father and Jesus: “You are worthy; You are holy; We magnify You” — not us?
For the years of my early Christian life, starting in the mid-70s, this was what I saw worship as being. And direct-to-God “You are Worthy” worship songs was what I found worked in Bible school in the early ’80s and other places I led worship.
By ‘worked,’ I mean, when we worshiped God, He was blessed and we were filled with the Holy Spirit in a tangible way. We could feel it.
This wasn’t working as well in the main congregation, which is another story — another factor. God honors people who worship in Spirit and in truth. There was a holiness and a hunger in the students and faculty in Bible school that wasn’t as prevalent in the entire church body, including some of the leaders, unfortunately. Still, the songs sung weren’t “bless me, Lord” songs.
Then came the Vineyard Movement, which I actually have mostly positive feelings about. I appreciated John Wimber’s research into early church history, and his teachings about “Doing the stuff,” doing what Jesus did. He read the Gospels in a whole new way, to find out how Jesus did it. We’re supposed to walk as He walked, right? During this time, I wrote, A Call to Intimacy: The Holy Spirit in John’s Gospel & Epistles. The Bible clearly shows that Jesus was led by the Spirit just as we are to. Jesus was our example that we should follow in His steps. We are even to forgive as He forgave! “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” People are demonized. Our warfare is not against flesh and blood, Paul said. But that’s another subject.
I was also greatly impressed by the Vineyard worship music, before the music died (in the early ’90s). So many great worship songs came from that movement. And I don’t understand why these aren’t still standards. Even at IHOP, rarely do they sing these great songs.
But along with the gold, I saw this tendency start in which this “Holy Spirit, come” theme started appearing, along with the “Bless me, Lord” songs.
What I’ve found is that when we bless God, He blesses us automatically: ~”Draw near to Me and I’ll draw near to you.” James 4:

…it says, “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.

Isn’t this how we’re supposed to be filled? It is biblical to be filled with the Spirit. “Don’t be drunk with wine, but be filled with the Holy Spirit.” We should be filled 24/7. It’s a Godly thing to want to be filled, to be soaring in God, experientially. But where does it say we are to tell Him to fill us. “Fill us, Lord!” I hear over and over at the IHOP revival [which I mostly also love very much]. And they sing: “Send your rain.” Do this for us, Lord. We tell You what to do; who is Lord here?
I get so tired of watching the worship during the IHOPU Student Revival, waiting for a worship song that we can all worship God with.
About a week ago, I thought Ryan Kondo was going to lead the group into pure worship, the way he had just done in the IHOP prayer room, [Screenshots] Ryan Kondo MAXIMUM Worship! The Way I Always Want To LIVE!. He started in the same way, singing the same pure-worship song. But then a singer who is normally not on his team hijacked the song into “fill us, Lord,” and I think it ruined what could have and probably should have happened.
Granted, the people weren’t totally there, ready to worship. There is far too much willful sin that is a salvation issue; though, people are taught it isn’t, even at IHOP. Many were mostly interested in receiving. But that is where worship leaders need to really lead. Real worship leaders go, and then the others follow. It’s easy to go with the flow, staying distant, where people are comfortable, playing “bless me, Lord” songs, or songs about us and God.
And what happened to the intimate ballads from the Vineyard era, like “Isn’t He.” John Wimber wrote that. Why don’t we keep what worked and discard what isn’t really biblical and doesn’t really bless God?
I would like to discard the “bless me” songs. Not long ago, they weren’t even sung at all, in my experience, anyway. Keith Green shows that the concept was there, though, in this song from his album, No Compromise, 1978.

Asleep in the Light

“Oh bless me Lord, bless me Lord,
You know it’s all I ever hear.
No one aches, no one hurts,
No one even sheds one tear.
But He cries, He weeps, He bleeds,
And He cares for your needs.
And you just lay back
And keep soaking it in.”

I don’t have any problems with people going to meetings where God is moving in order to get filled with the Spirit. I attended 33 of the 36 meetings that Rodney Howard-Browne held in Anchorage, Alaska. I was touched greatly. I also went to the Toronto blessing twice. If I lived in Kansas, I’d go to some of the IHOP meetings. But this isn’t the revival that is meant to be, yet.
I don’t see any calls for people to get right with those they’ve hurt, which was the hallmark of the Asbury Revival: Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”
And Shelley [a leader at IHOP] got a dream about how Jonathan Edwards is a key to the Third Great Awakening coming, but the IHOP leaders almost totally ignore his theme: Sinners in the hands of a God Who doesn’t have a joyful heart about the state of the church, today. The fact is that most ‘Christians’ aren’t right with God enough to go to heaven: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way, but this doesn’t fit our “we’re saved no matter what” and “God loves us no matter what” theology, that really is from the pit of hell, and is really the number one reason that we’re not seeing full-fledged revival. And it’s the number one reason why people (even most church leaders) aren’t comfortable singing real-worship songs, like I’ve been seeing Jaye Thomas do on the few occasions he’s led in the IHOP prayer room, recently. I would love to see him be allowed to lead worship during an awakening meeting. And I’m hoping that he’ll have the guts to worship no matter what, just like he’s been doing in the prayer room: [Screenshots] IHOP Real-Worship Leader: Jaye Thomas!!!
Where did the “bless me, Lord,” “fill us, Lord” trend actually originate? I think it mainly came from the Vineyard movement.
It’s buried in a box, somewhere, so I can’t quote the reference, but I read in a book that I bought in the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship book store something like this. Apparently, John Wimber taught that they found a prayer in the early church fathers writings, which I think was something like “Come, Holy Spirit” [If anyone knows the exact prayer quote, I’m interested.], and this is mainly what they based the “fill us, Lord” concept on.
I’m very thankful for what God is doing at IHOP. And I greatly appreciate what Mike Bickle and Wes Hall have done to create this great atmosphere in which God is definitely moving. But this is just a drop in the bucket, as Wes so often states. He talks about the River flowing.
Well, what is keeping The River from flowing? I think it’s unbiblical doctrine about who goes to heaven. That’s number one. And that is part of why attendees don’t want to directly worship God in their hearts.
But reverse-worship is also a great problem. And I see it wasting so much time, which we really don’t have right now.
May we get our doctrines right, including what worship really is.
“He is the potter; we are the clay.” He doesn’t obey us; we obey Him. Who is Lord? Worship is about Him, not about us.
We need a vision of how great He really is, how holy He really is. Jaye Thomas recently sung:

There is One seated on the throne, He is God,
seated on the throne, and He is holy.

“We join with the four living creatures.
We sing the song that the angels sing.
We want to know what they know.
We want to see what they see when they cry holy, holy, holy!“

We sing holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty.
We sing holy, holy, holy is the Lamb!

Reverse-Christianity is taking us down. But real Christianity can take us up where we belong — soaring in Him — right with one another — pure and clean — in fear and awe and in love with Him.
We can be ONE with Him when we are ONE with each other, Jesus prayed in John 17. “Then the world will know.”
This “bless me, Lord” stuff….
Let’s worship Him alone. Paul talked about how we’d worship the creation instead of the Creator. This is happening in America, big-time! Look at the emphasis on the human body. Romans 1 isn’t just about homosexuality. It’s not even mainly about homosexuality. It’s about worshiping the creation instead of the Creator. This is our sin.
“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Draw near to Him and He’ll draw near to you.”
It’s guaranteed. He will fill us when we worship Him in Spirit and in truth. We don’t have to ask Him to — or tell Him to [God is so amazingly patient in putting up with all of this, I think. I don’t even hear a ‘please’]. He will just do it. It’s as sure as gravity.
Power to the peaceful.
Which reminds me: when are evangelical Christians going to publicly repent for supporting the reverse-Christian wars? Our hands have to be clean, you all.
“What are we waiting for,” I believe I just heard.
Related:
What is Real Revival?

IHOP Guitarist Seth Yates Prophecy: "Time is Running Out"

In IHOPKC International House of Prayer, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Time is Short

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7glTptnZQ18]Time Is Running Out – Seth Yates Prophetic Song IHOP Prayer Room

Seth Yates singing a prophetic song with Matt Gilman’s worship team at the International House of Prayer.

Jaye Thomas: 'Single Eye' Promo

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDAzRT291PM]Jaye Thomas – Single Eye Promo

What God is up to in the life of Jaye Thomas and how YOU can be a part of that!

http://jayethomas.com

Interview with Jaye Thomas

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya1C0cUjri4]Interview with Jaye Thomas

Interview with Jaye Thomas, IHOP-KC worship leader, live at onething 08.

Cory Asbury with Jaye Thomas: "My Beloved"

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FpS8rRUXG8]My beloved – Cory Asbury (feat. Jaye Thomas)

…buy it on iTunes …

One thing have I desired of the Lord,
That one thing I seek, to know You, to know You

I was, I was made to gaze all of my days
I was made to gaze on Beauty

My Beloved is beautiful, He’s dazzling and excellent
My Beloved is beautiful

He stands alone

He’s coming to rule, coming to reign
He is the King, He is the King (Jesus, Jesus)

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_O4ub6I1E]My Beloved – Cory Asbury

Cory Asbury sings “My Beloved” at the onething conference in 2008.

[Screenshots] IHOP Real-Worship Leader: Jaye Thomas!!!

On March 18, 2010

In Personal, Photos, Worship

Jaye is absolutely my current favorite IHOP worship leader. But I don’t know why they only let him take the helm recently, and only in the Prayer Room. He has been a singer on Cory’s team.
I say real-worship in my title because much of what is called worship is not. And this has been really frustrating to me. “Bless me” songs are never worship — and can even be worship of self. And songs that are merely about God are also often not real worship.
Real worship is direct-to-God “YOU are AWESOME — “Holy, Holy, Holy…!!” In this God is blessed and we can soar to heights… — doing the greatest commandment!!!
I’ve been repeating over and over the inspirational-to-the-MAX portions of his sessions via this method The Prayer Room at IHOP: How to navigate the Archives player…, and I am so blessed!!!
FREEeeeeeeeeeee———–DOM!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Jaye and IHOP!
Screenshots chosen and processed by myself from a recent real-worship session with Jaye leading Cory’s team. Laura is sitting in Jaye’s seat, and Cory is just playing guitar.

[screenshots] Jaye Thomas leading worship at the IHOP Awakening 3/26/10

Prophecy given to Stephen Quayle: The only Safe Place in the coming days & "Those who claim to know me and assume to be a member of my flock – cease your ridicule of my warnings and mocking my prophets and my watchmen as I will deal with you harshly in order to keep you from…eternal damnation"

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Demons in Christians?, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Who Goes to Heaven

On March 18, 2010

To those men and women who think their retirement years will be lived out in certainty and passive enjoyment, I will tell you what lies ahead – uncertainty, worry, fear and dread with multiplied anxiety as your money utterly fails. Your protection and provision will be provided for you by taking a stand for righteousness and taking up the cause of the hopeless and the helpless and looking to me in faith to provide for all your needs through Heavens bounty. …

Those who claim to know me and assume to be a member of my flock – cease your ridicule of my warnings and mocking my prophets and my watchmen as I will deal with you harshly in order to keep you from the second death and eternal damnation. The fearful and the cowardly along with the scoffers and mockers unless they repent go into the lake of fire….

From: stevequayle.com

Prophecy Given to Stephen Quayle at 2:45 AM, November 1, 2008

November 4, 2008
For as I live saith the Lord – My eyes are upon the righteous who speak out against the evil that permeates your land. My destroying angels are soon to be released against the false shepherds and pastors, wolves in my church who have been silent against the slaughter of the infants in the womb, and the sodomy that permeates the land. They have fed themselves and lived extravagantly at the expense of my sheep neither have they bound up the broken hearted nor healed the sick. They have abandoned the widows and orphans and turned a willing blind eye to the downtrodden and the homeless.
As my servant Peter stated in my Holy Word — judgement begins at the house of God, Know– this day– that the decree has gone forth from my lips to let the judgement of the false shepherds and prophets begin.
My children whom I have redeemed, you can no longer stay silent and expect to be delivered and protected from the evil one, “For who is on the Lords side let him come to me” “Let the redeemed of the Lord say so”!
The false shepherds, pastors and wolves who turn a blind eye to the reality of my judgement upon the lands and who have continually rejected my signs and warnings will soon see their temples of mammon totally destroyed.
To those men and women who think their retirement years will be lived out in certainty and passive enjoyment, I will tell you what lies ahead – uncertainty, worry, fear and dread with multiplied anxiety as your money utterly fails. Your protection and provision will be provided for you by taking a stand for righteousness and taking up the cause of the hopeless and the helpless and looking to me in faith to provide for all your needs through Heavens bounty.
The enemy of men’s souls – the destroyer has taken your eyes off me and my promises through the seducing spirits of self gratification, apathy, indifference and fear! All of the enemies tactics and manifestations through their mouthpieces are designed to lead you to both physical and eternal destruction. The fear of death and the ridicule of demons has silenced too many of my children for too long. But as I warn you, I urge you to call out to me for the deliverance of the “fear of man” and the “fear of death”.
Those who claim to know me and assume to be a member of my flock – cease your ridicule of my warnings and mocking my prophets and my watchmen as I will deal with you harshly in order to keep you from the second death and eternal damnation. The fearful and the cowardly along with the scoffers and mockers unless they repent go into the lake of fire along with all those who think that He who created the sight and hearing of mankind does not see the actions and excuses and hear the hearts and thoughts of all men.
For as I have declared– that the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward me!

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: "There is MIGHT and there is POWER and there is GLORY, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…"

In Abbott Loop CC / Unite Church, Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Forgive & Be FREE, James-3 Cursing People, Personal, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Revival

On March 16, 2010

I got this word from God for a church founder in Anchorage, 20 years ago, while getting ready to discuss with the then, head pastor what I had recently been shown about why God couldn’t move in our church. It says a lot about what needs to happen for real Christianity and full revival to occur.
And this is also a salvation issue:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

This is the prophecy that inspired my license plate:

Aug, 9,1990

“Our eyes are full of sawdust. We can’t see clearly to see the kingdom. There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to feel his hurt deeply and say kind words of salve that heal their souls.

[D–––] can do this. This is vital. They are necessary. For he must do this for healing to occur. He is a man of integrity in many ways.

Fear must decrease. Love must increase. He will fight and he will win the battle over the stronghold of fear and unforgiveness, sayeth the Lord.”

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

Effects of the WELSH REVIVAL 1904-05: Whole communities were radically changed FROM DEPRAVITY TO GLORIOUS GOODNESS. The CRIME RATE dropped, often to nothing. THE POLICE had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings. THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. People who had fallen out BECAME FRIENDS AGAIN!!!!!!!

(video) Asbury Revival, 1970: RECONCILIATION the KEY! — “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘I just hit my 34th person and I’m free!’”

Rick Joyner: “REPENTANCE includes RESTITUTION for the wrongs that have caused injury to others”

What Does God Say About Lying PRESStitutes, Politicians & Pastors: “ALL LIARS, their part is in the lake that burns with fire”

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

Prophecy: Jesus’ Heart-Cry: “Let Us Be ONE” — Life has ceased for a reason. The church is dirty, a place of filth. It is not My home. How can I dwell among an unclean people who hurt each other, who tell each other stories, who hurt from the heart those that care?

Why Leaders Won’t Repent: “I was HURTING INSIDE, but I was much TOO PROUD TO SHOW IT.” “A leader has to have been broken in order to get himself out of the way and realize that he’s not really in the control he thinks he is.” “My gods were ‘get ahead,’ ‘get power.’ I really enjoyed it. I loved being saluted” – Chuck Colson

The Achan Factor — Because of one man’s disobedience the entire nation of Israel had to deal with the “Achan factor” among them before they could come under the umbrella of Almighty God’s blessings once again!

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

How Jezebel Killed One of the Greatest Revivals Ever — Before Azusa Street in 1906, there was the Welsh Revival in 1904

(video) The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next, even greater revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!

Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s *1909 prophecy* of the SHEKINAH GLORY RETURNING to the church *in 100 years*: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. ..the fear of God was on the community, and…they were highly esteemed” | My theory …

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “How upside-down the ‘church’ is today.”
The R-Word: ‘Reconciliation’ is Required to Worship in Spirit and in Truth — Why is this key to revival a taboo subject?

“No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible”
Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent

Hume on Reconciliation: ~”IF YOU’VE MADE A MISTAKE, a blunder, ADMIT IT to yourself, and then GO to the people affected by it, and admit it to them, and TELL THEM YOU’RE SORRY — FULL-HEARTedly and OPENLY. People who do that make an enormous impression. It is the RIGHT, MORAL and SMART thing to do.”

My comment on Francis Frangipane’s post: “Francis, do you remember how you prophesied in Wasilla, Alaska about the REVIVAL happening up here to such a great degree that…” | Paul made sure he was right with everyone, but how many pastors can say that today? | “There is might and there is power and there is GLORY, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right…

(video) A taste of JESUS’ AGONY because His people have HURT SO MANY… – Gary Clark Jr: When My Train Pulls In (Live at Farm Aid 2014)

My Dream of ‘ONE’ Happening at Abbott Loop CC!
Awakening Meetings End at IHOP. Why?

Benny Hester: “When God Ran” — God will RUN when we come back to Him!

‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
If we build it He will come:

“Let Us Be ONE” (A Revival Prophecy)

[photo] Abbott Loop Christian Center (Abbott Loop Community Church) — 198

Jaye Thomas [IHOP real-worship leader]: "We join with the four living creatures. We sing the song that the angels sing. We want to know what they know. We want to see what they see when they cry 'holy, holy, holy!'"

On March 16, 2010

In FreedomQuotes, Worship

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from IHOP’s 24/7 Prayer Room, 3/14/09, early AM while the janitor vacuumed

There is One seated on the throne, He is God,
seated on the throne, and He is holy.

“We join with the four living creatures.
We sing the song that the angels sing.
We want to know what they know.
We want to see what they see when they cry holy, holy, holy!“

We sing holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty.
We sing holy, holy, holy is the Lamb!

– Jaye Thomas, IHOP worship leader

Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour's 1909 prophecy of the SHEKINAH GLORY RETURNING to the church in 100 years: "Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. ..the fear of God was on the community, and…they were highly esteemed" | My theory …

In Filled with the HOLY Spirit, Getting Right with Each Other, Healing, IHOPKC International House of Prayer, Lying, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Revival

On March 15, 2010

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from IHOPU Student Awakening, 3/11/09

“The Lord said the Shekinah is returning to the church [William Seymour, 1909: Next Revival Will Come in About 100 Years — It’s Due!]. It will return to the church — the same shekinah presence that was in Azusa Street will come in a greater measure in a hundred years time. In 2009, 2010, the Lord will restore the shekinah glory to the church. …

I believe we’re at the beginning of the beginning of the return of that open-heaven reality that the church in the book of Acts lived under.

I tell you, you came, tonight, and said, ‘Wow, I was expecting the wine all night,’ and we went into repentance.

Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. It said: everyone was scared of joining them. It said the fear of God was on the community, and no one dared join them. But they were highly esteemed.

Why did no one dare join them? Because if you went into their presence and you weren’t in a right spirit, you would get carried out dead because no flesh can glory in His sight.

Ananias and Sapphira walk in. They hide part of the truth and they’re carried out dead, because there was such a presence of the Lord. The Holy Spirit will not be manipulated, and the Lord is coming.

Beloved, they got carried out dead, but at the same time, Peter’s shadow was healing the sick. Unusual miracles were worked by Peter and Paul in the book of Acts, as there was an open-heaven reality over the church.

– Wes Hall, IHOP revivalist, IHOPU provost

In my opinion:
At Asbury, they got right with each other so then the Shekinah could come: Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?” But God couldn’t stay in His glory because their salvation doctrine was a broken cistern that couldn’t hold Water. And this is why current day awakenings/revivals haven’t fully blossomed and remained.

First, we must get our salvation doctrine right, Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way, so we can get and keep our lives right; then the Shekinah can come — and stay.
If we build it He will come: “Let Us Be ONE” (A Prophecy)
Related:
The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!
Tommy Welchel on William Seymour and Charles Parham’s 100-Year Prophecy: On the same day in 1909, hundreds of miles apart, they both prophesied God’s visible shekina glory would return to earth after 100 years, but this time everywhere!
Smith Wigglesworth: “THE LAST DAY REVIVAL WILL BE THE GREATEST revival this world has ever seen!”
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Effects of the WELSH REVIVAL 1904-05: Whole communities were radically changed FROM DEPRAVITY TO GLORIOUS GOODNESS. The CRIME RATE dropped, often to nothing. THE POLICE had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings. THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. People who had fallen out BECAME FRIENDS AGAIN!!!!!!!
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
My $6,000 Challenge! I will give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way article

1942 Minnesota: Bathing beaches prior to the low-cut top epidemic

On March 10, 2010

In FUN or AMAZING Stuff!, Lust Freedom!

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPw6MKhgtdo]Traveltalks – 1942 Minnesota: Land Of Plenty

James A. Fitzpatrick’s Traveltalks
The Voice of the Globe

[Screenshots] Ryan Kondo MAXIMUM Worship! The Way I Always Want To LIVE!

On March 9, 2010

In Filled with the HOLY Spirit, FUN or AMAZING Stuff!, IHOPKC International House of Prayer, Personal, Photos, Revival, Worship

Compiled and processed by Jeff Fenske from: super-hot, IHOP Prayer Room worship, 3/6/09, described here

This is how I want to always live!
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You shall love the LORD your God

with all your heart

with all your soul

with all your mind

and with all your strength!

Ryan Kondo/Band fade
.

Ryan at maximum!
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Drummer kickin’ it hard!!
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This is awesome — YOU are so awesome, Victory, Freedom Fists!!!
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(photo) Abbott Loop CC Cross: We MUST Die In Order To Live!!!

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”
[photo] Abbott Loop Christian Center (Abbott Loop Community Church) — 1985

On March 9, 2010

In Abbott Loop CC / Unite Church, Photos

Update: I’ve been told that this cross did not survive the March-2012 roof collapse.

It had been moved from front and center to the west wall, which took the biggest hit.

Someone should resurrect this theme.

– –

Jesus:

Most certainly I tell you,
unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies,
it remains by itself alone.
But if it dies, it bears much fruit.

12/2/09

On Abbott Loop Community Church’s west wall

It used to be front and center
“What happened?”

ALCC’s cross and wheat logo

The idea comes from what Jesus said in John 12:

24 Most certainly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 He who loves his life will lose it. He who hates his life in this world will keep it to eternal life. 26 If anyone serves me, let him follow me. Where I am, there will my servant also be. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.

Paul taught (and Frank taught in Bible school) Jesus is The Pattern in Php 2:

1 If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassion, 2 make my joy full, by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3 doing nothing through rivalry or through conceit, but in humility, each counting others better than himself; 4 each of you not just looking to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also highly exalted him….

12 So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

14 Do all things without murmurings and disputes, 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you are seen as lights in the world.

Abbott Loop has apparently joined the once-saved-always-saved camp — "the doctrine that’s bringing US down into the pit" and keeping us apart. But what does the Bible really say?

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there isglory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”

In Abbott Loop CC / Unite Church, Doctrines of Demons?, Personal, Who Goes to Heaven

[Updated 9/15/14 with additional text and reformatting]

Please also see:

I have to say that I’m kind of flabbergasted, and for sure, disappointed, but at least it’s out in the open now. And this is partly what has encouraged me to finally, officially launch My $6,000 Challenge! I will give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way article.

Background:

I am convinced that once-saved-always-saved (OSAS or eternal security) is The Great Deception and the main reason for the fall of real Christianity and the fall of America. I have written Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, which no one has been able to refute, and is basically the opposite of what was taught in Anchorage one week ago, in the church that at one time used to be so into holiness.

I attended part of Abbott Loop Community Church‘s Sunday service on 2/28/10. For the first time, ever, I heard from the pulpit once-saved-always-saved taught as fact. It was just a side-note to the message on wisdom, but it’s plain as day. According to Joshua Tanner, a born-again Christian “can have sexual immorality,” “lie and steal,” and Jesus will accept him into heaven. He just doesn’t get his “gift.”

Here is my transcription from the podcast, Call to Character – Wisdom (starting at minute-37), head pastor Joshua Tanner speaking [he was actually joking around quite a bit and impersonating goofy voices, which is part of the reason for the congregation laughing. But this is no laughing matter].
Josh starts out well, saying:

“What they ought to be: you love correction enough to first even look at the Word and say ‘my life’s not in alignment.'”

But then he says:

“Not go: [in a goofy voice] ‘It doesn’t really mean that I can’t have sexual immorality, and I can’t live, you know and lie and steal, and do whatever I want. It doesn’t really mean that. Grace, it’s all covered by the grace of God. I can do whatever I want. I’m going to stand before Jesus and He’s going to love me anyway.’

Yeah, He is going to love you. And He took all judgment on you for all those decisions you’re going to make. But you know what you’re going to do: live a powerish, lame, weak life. You’re going to stand before God and He’s going to go, ‘why? [in a goofy voice] Ohhhh. No gift for you [congregation laughs]. [Josh laughs] Right.

Like, ‘over to the healing leaves. You go to the healing leaves.’ That’s in Revelation. I don’t know what those are, but there’s the healing leaves for the saints.

[goofy voice] ‘Oh sweet Lord. I don’t know why I was so foolish, mmmm. I had all the truth I could ever want. Those healing leaves, healing leaves. Man, these things don’t smell good. Why, Lord?’ [congregation laughing]”

Is It Right: To Judge, To Expose Error & To Name Names? — Those who are faithful in exposing error according to the Bible are now being widely denounced, and are accused of being unloving and unkind

The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think?
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

(Video) Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved — Joe Schimmel (known for They Sold Their Souls for Rock N Roll – demolishes OSAS!)

David Pawson on Paul and James: Paul was defending Gentiles from Jewish *works-of-the-law* legalism; James was defending Jews from Gentile license to sin. • When Paul says ‘works’ he means *works of the law,* but James means *actions*. • “Faith without actions cannot save you.” • FAITH + ACTIONS = SAVING FAITH!

The CHIEF PILLAR of Eternal Security (OSAS) Toppled – John 10:27-29! — “Only those who are hearing and following Christ right now are his sheep”

[ Video ] Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security
The Believer’s Conditional Security : Eternal Security Refuted, by Dan Corner (801 page end-of-story book, but doesn’t cover who then does go to heaven, biblically)

[ Video ] Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. “There’s a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND.” “There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it.” “Let’s go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR.”

Why are WORSHIP SERVICES DEAD? God OPPOSES the PROUD, but He longs to give grace to the humble. ” • “THERE IS MIGHT and there is POWER and there is GLORY, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right…”

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there isglory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”

Rick Joyner: “REPENTANCE includes RESTITUTION for the wrongs that have caused injury to others”

Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s 1909 prophecy of the shekinah glory returning to the church in 100 years: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. …the fear of God was on the community, and no one dared join them. But they were highly esteemed. Why did no one dare join them?”

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “How upside-down the ‘church’ is today.”

My Dream of ‘ONE’ Happening at Abbott Loop CC!

“No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible”
Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent (prophecy)

[WordPower!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)

The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!

Rhydian Roberts: The Prayer — “Let this be our prayer WHEN WE LOSE OUR WAY. Lead us…guide us with your grace to A PLACE WHERE WE’LL BE SAFE” (Rhydian Roberts is Welsh, by the way)

Theme for the Third Great Awakening, Rhydian Roberts: Somewhere — “We’ll find a new way of living. We’ll find a way of forgiving – Somehow – Someday – Somewhere!” — ‘ONE’ Will Happen!!!!!!!

[ video – The MOST BEAUTIFUL SONG! ] Benny Hester: “When God Ran”

My $6,000 Challenge! I will give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my "Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way" article

Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved

In Doctrines Demystified, Personal, Who Goes to Heaven

My $6,000 Challenge!

I will now [as of 9/8/10] give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? article.

There is no time to be low key about this any more. I am convinced that once-saved-always-saved (OSAS) has all but destroyed the church in America — and America, itself! And many are going to hell having been taught they are going to heaven.

And this is the message that Americans have spread throughout the world! This is so serious — and tragic beyond belief!!

But there is a remedy: sound doctrine returning to the land — which I think will lay the necessary groundwork so the Third Great Awakening can revive the church in America and throughout the world!

I have made this offer before, first $500, then $1,000, in comments in this site. I didn’t want to present it front and center for a number of reasons. The main reason is that I thought I could get deluged with challenges that would take more time than I have to keep up with. I also wanted to be certain that God wanted me to take this step.

I believe I have the go-ahead, and $1,500 [now $3,000 $6,000] is a figure that is more than I would have wanted to venture. I’m pretty much a paycheck to paycheck kind of guy. But it’s also a sum that will make the challenge more worthwhile to take on.

If this study really is faulty, it would be easy for theologians to refute it and collect an easy $1,500 $3,000 $6,000, right? But if this study is truly sound, then why is once-saved-always-saved (and similar: “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation”) taught almost universally throughout America and the world — in seminaries, churches, on radio (including the songs) and TV?

Have millions of Americans been brainwashed into believing a false doctrine that has literally brought America to the brink — and we’re bringing down many nations with us? The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit? explains how ‘Christians’ willful sin is destroying America — not the liberals, etc..

I am convinced that once saved, always saved (and similar) is the number one doctrine that is destroying the church in America, and is keeping real Christianity from happening, so that I’m willing to make this offer.

Now, what are the conditions?

• This offer is only to the first person who can successfully refute my article.

• Who is the jury? You are. If someone is successful, it will be evident to all, for I won’t delete any challenges that give me a run for the money. If comments are lengthy, I reserve the right to delete them (with notation), because I can’t overload the comment section of a post with super long comments. However, if the comments are too long, perhaps it would work to post lengthy comments in their own post. We’ll see. If your comments are at all long, will you please post them under this article, not at Who-Goes-To-Heaven…? I’m not sure what my options are if I get tons of comments, especially if they are long. This was one of my hesitations in more boldly presenting this challenge. But so far, no one has taken me up on it, so it’s possible that when people read what these scriptures say, they’ll realize there is no way to refute what is so clearly fact.

Also, please feel free to read the many comments under Who-Goes-To-Heaven… and the related articles, especially:

Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security

• I’m personally into the truth, whatever it is. If someone does successfully refute this article, then I will embrace the truth. I don’t think it’s possible to refute this, but we’ll see. I have looked at this from so many angle, and have been led by the Holy Spirit (Whom Jesus said is supposed to lead us into all truth) on a number of occasions to help me. I had a very significant dream about 20 years ago, and this is also a prime example: Let Us Be ONE — a 34-part prophecy.

• Also, I haven’t made a succinct conclusion. I’m not going to say precisely where the line is in who goes to heaven. I present scriptures that are pretty clear in themselves, and together, they present the picture.

• If one, or perhaps a few of my quotations can be shown to not apply to salvation, I would like to know this, but that isn’t refuting the entire article. In order to collect the money, the challenger would have to demonstrate that the gist of this presentation is not on track. You would have to successfully demonstrate that the main idea that I’m presenting here isn’t true regarding who actually goes to heaven, biblically.

• I have never done this kind of thing before and I’m not a legal expert, so if I’m leaving something out here that I shouldn’t have, I reserve the right to be able to correct this error. This is out in the open, so you all will be able to witness the progression of events.

• I should also say that I’ll probably be making small changes to this post and some changes to my Who-Goes-To-Heaven article. But its theme has been basically the same in the more than three years it’s been up. Changes have mainly been in adding additional material.

• It really does appear that no one will be able to refute my article. Please pray about how you can help these truths become mainstream. And I’m open to comments and suggestions. We can no longer be crippled by the doctrine that Martin Luther made popular, based mainly upon Paul’s introductory comments, ignoring the meat of what Jesus, Paul and many other New Testament teachers taught. Luther even knew his doctrine wasn’t biblically cogent: Martin Luther’s Subordinate Bible Books: Hebrews, James, Jude & Revelation.

• If you read Who-Goes-To-Heaven…, you’ll see that I believe that the Bible teaches that liars can’t go to heaven. So I’m especially not going to do anything deceptive here to get out of paying out the $1,500 $3,000 $6,000 to someone who really deserves it. So feel free to contact your pastors, seminary professors, biblical scholars. It’s time to get this issue settled, to crucify once and for all OSAS, eternal security and “It’s hard to lose one’s salvation.”

• Also, I reserve the right to discontinue this offer if I do end up getting swamped with challenges. But if I pull the offer, it won’t be because someone successfully succeeded in challenging me. I have a lot to do besides this. I’m not making any money from my labor at these sites. I’m doing this solely to help get the word out, so real Christianity can finally happen at the group level, and so the percentage of who goes to heaven skyrockets! And ONE can happen so the Pete Townshends know!
We need revival!!!

• I would appreciate your prayers. This theology upsets the apple cart, to say the least. Many ‘Christians’ (especially pastors) really do James-3 curse people who challenge their comfort zone. I have an entire category on just this subject, which is really a serious, little-understood epidemic. And those who have taught once saved, always saved (and similar) for years know should be worried about the serious trouble they are in. But the point is to find out now, while we still have time to get real Christianity going, despite what happens to our world as we know it.

The hour is late, the need is great. Business as usual will not do anymore.

God bless! May we all come to the knowledge of the truth. ONE can happen (Jesus’ heart-cry for us in John 17). “Then the world will know.” Now, the world smells a stinky rat.
We can do better. We can be ONE with each other, truly in Him!

Could it be that when the real gospel is preached to the whole world, then the end will come. I think it will become evident that what we’ve spread around the world is largely a false gospel — deceiving many from America.

The world deserves to hear and see the real thing!

We need to get this very important doctrine finally right!

Let’s be ONE!

Sincerely,

Jeff Fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Ryan Kondo: "Glory and Dominion"

In IHOPKC International House of Prayer, Music Videos, Worship

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tyvypduhjo]”Glory and Dominion” by Ryan Kondo

this is my new song called glory and dominion. It’s great for corporate worship setting the eyes of the church on Jesus and engaging the heart with love for Him.

HeartQuotes: An Honest Heart

In heart, soul, mind, gut?, HeartQuotes, Lying

“An honest heart possesses a kingdom.”

– Seneca
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Lose your empathy and you've lost your soul — your salvation! Republicans still support Bush's torture and murder of about two million innocents.

On March 7, 2010

In Doctrines of Demons?, Who Goes to Heaven

Jesus in Matthew 5:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

From: Rense

If You Want To Lose Your Soul
Blindly Support Your Government
– Right Or Wrong
By J. Speer-Williams
3-6-10

A soul-less being has no empathy for others. Lose your empathy, and you’ve lost your soul.
There is a “great divide” forming amongst mankind, and it’s often war that most often triggers that divide.
Once a combat soldier kills a defenseless non-combatant, he either likes it or feels remorse. If he likes it, he kills more non-combatants, many more. If he feels remorse, he’s likely to kill more non-combatants to anesthetized or deaden his feelings of moral anguish for having initially killed an innocent human being. In either case, such wanton killing is encouraged by “command intention,” from above, for a variety of reasons; but mainly, it’s done to spread the contagion of universal madness: a people without empathy.
In such a mad society, Israeli citizens justify burning alive Palestinian children, while American republicans still support Bush’s torture and murder of about two million innocents, and democrats overlook Obama’s expanded war and torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan.
Soon our madness – absence of empathy – spreads throughout the Middle East, and then around the world in the form of justifying or overlooking all governmental crimes as we are now emotionally invested in them, with our lack of empathy.
A lack of empathy blinds human beings to justice, liberty, and personal discernment, rendering them soulless – a major reason for all wars.
J. Speer-Williams
jsw4@mac.com
Related:
The Boot-Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!!
Boot camp kills the conscience so soldiers can do evil without being convicted in their hearts
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Ryan Kondo (IHOP worship leader): "Business as usual will not do anymore. … The hour is late, the need is great, will you answer My call?"