Jesus prayed we'd be 'ONE' with each other in Him that the world will know! (John 17)

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The Pastors-only Experiment: Pastors have held the ball too tightly and have dropped it, trying to lead the church without the prophets. Ephesians 4:11-16 is still the standard, and all five ministries are needed to achieve “the perfecting of the saints” and “the unity of the faith”

My Facebook page: facebook.com/ONEcanhappen. All are welcome. 

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The question posed on Facebook an hour ago:

Did you know that the exact word “pastor” is only used 1 time in the entire New Testament of the authorized King James Bible?

My response:

And the Ephesians 4:11-16 “unity of the faith” standard is hardly mentioned anymore, since this “perfecting of the saints” goal can’t be achieved by apostles, evangelists, pastors and teachers without the prophets. And this remains God’s standard, whether pastors still mention it or not.

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One of the passages in my ONEcanhappen header is Ephesians 4:11-16:

He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, shepherds and teachersfor the perfecting of the saints, to the work of serving, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error; but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ; from whom all the body, being fitted and knit together through that which every joint supplies, according to the working in measure of each individual part, makes the body increase to the building up of itself in love.

The fear of the Lord keeps us in the parameter where love can happen!!!

The fear of the Lord “keeps us in the parameter where love can happen!!!”

But now, most pastors say we no longer have to fear the Lord, disregarding what Jesus and Paul clearly said.

With the beginning of wisdom having been removed, we find ourselves in this huge mess — “a Godless generation.”

It is wise to fear the Lord, to stay within His parameters, His guardrails that are meant for our protection from the evil one — who will sell us a lie and call it good. He is deceiving many.

Beauty can reign when we grow in wisdom, because we fear the Lord and stay within his safe parameters — holiness — not giving the Devil a place.

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Dave Macpherson, author of “The Rapture Plot”: Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty — John Darby, Edward Irving, Cyrus Scofield, Tim Lahaye, John Walvoord, Jerry Falwell, Chuck Missler, Hal Lindsey, Jack van Impe, Grant Jeffrey …

From: poweredbychrist.com

PRETRIB RAPTURE DISHONESTY

by 

DAVE MACPHERSON

When I began my research in 1970 into the exact beginnings of the pretribulation rapture belief still held by many evangelicals, I assumed that the rapture debate involved only “godly scholars with honest differences.” The paper you are now reading reveals why I gave up that assumption many years ago. With this introduction-of-sorts in mind, let’s take a long look at the pervasive dishonesty throughout the history of the 179-year-old pretrib rapture theory:

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FINALLY: Don’t take my word for any of the above. Read my 300-page book “The Rapture  Plot” which has a jillion more documented details on the long-hidden but now-revealed history of the dishonest, 179-year-old, fringe-British-invented, American-merchandised-until-the-real-bad-stuff-happens pretribulation rapture fad. If this book of mine doesn’t “move” you, I will personally refund what you paid for it.

Entire Article Here

Related:

Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel!

Why There is No Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib Rapture: Jesus will destroy the Lawless One at the same time he is gathering the saints to meet him in the air

12 Reasons NOT To Expect a PRE-Trib Rapture

Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel!

The Rapture: History and Influence in America — “Christians trade the message of Revelation as a call of discipleship in a fallen world for escapism.”

Corrie Ten Boom: Prepared for the Coming Tribulation

Warmongers Unite: Rapture Ready – The Christians United for Israel Tour with ‘Pastor’ John Hagee

John Hagee – Enforce UN Thought Crimes Law

Preemptive-Striker John Hagee Endorses 100-Years-in-Iraq John McCain

John Hagee: “Jesus Did Not Come To Earth To Be the Messiah”

Pastor Baldwin: Ron Paul’s Israel Problem [Evangelicals Led Astray?]

John Hagee calls for a preemptive strike on Iran

John Hagee: Unrepentant Heretic? — Today, churchgoers stand hand in hand with a Jewish people who would crucify Christ again if He walked their streets.

Alex Jones: The pre-trib rapture doctrine is a big, sickening, psyop, bringing US into tyranny! “Most of you are a bunch of torture loving, war loving people…” — Truthful commentary by a non-pastor

Mike Bickle’s (IHOP) prophetic dream: “What is coming is so much more intense than we imagine.” “We must experience manifestation of His majesty that makes us tremble and His kindness that moves us to repentance and servanthood.” “We will receive angelic assistance and great power…”

After America Went Down Music: Our Demise Theme [Barber: “Adagio for Strings”] / The Demons Rejoice Dance Mix [Dj Tiesto] ||| WWWIII ||| “Once saved always saved” + pre-tribulation rapture + old covenant law tithing + “Support Bush no matter what”/dis the peacemakers and Ron Paul = Doomsday! ||| Where were the Bonhoeffers and therefore the disciples of Christ?!!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Gary Gray: Follow Me The Sinning Apostle Of Christ? Paul Was Not A Sinner!

From Gary Gray’s Facebook note:

(Acts 24:16 [AKJV]) And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God, and toward men.

“If we embrace the lie that “even Paul sinned all his life”, then we will justify our own continuance in undefeated sin. If we deny that freedom from sin is possible by embracing the lie that Paul sinned all his life and never walked in complete sanctification then how can we believe God will bring us into complete sanctification?

Entire Article Here 

Related:

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “Let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned.”

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

Leonard Ravenhill: Romans 7 vs 8 — Life before the Son vs Life in the Son — “Romans 7 is a funeral march, Romans 8 is a wedding march … it’s a Spirit dominated life in chapter 8.”

Robert Shank: Erroneous “2 natures of the believer” doctrine — Romans 7 is before Paul’s ‘life in the Son’

THE PATRISTIC INTERPRETATION of ROMANS 7:14-25 — The early church did not understand Rom 7:14-25 to teach the necessity of sin in believers

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

The Sheep Stealers Rob the Sheep—Hypocrites Cannot Lead

Leadership: How it is Supposed to Be

Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent

Failed Churches — Hate that Destroys the Yoke of Unity

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within

Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

‘Christian’ Leaders James-3 Cursing People Example: Jesse

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”

Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. “There’s a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND.” “There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it.” “Let’s go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR.”

Francis Frangipane: Beware, It is Easy to Fake Christianity — “The moment we stop obeying God we start faking . . . .” “If our Christianity does not work in this life where we can test it, it is foolhardy to hope it will successfully transport us into eternity . . . if we fail the test, we suffer eternal separation from God.” “Let us re-examine what we have been taught.”

How CLEAN do our Hearts have to be from the Hebrews-12 root of bitterness that defiles many? Where is the place of SAFETY — RESTING, KNOWING for SURE we’re going to heaven? Selah …

Are Today’s Pastors Part Sociopath? — “Sociopaths never accept the slightest responsibility for anything that goes wrong, even though they’re responsible for almost everything that goes wrong. You’ll never hear a sincere apology from them.”

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

(vision ’84) Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel [after the true Jews repent]!

This is an amazing story from an AMAZING man of God that we should well take heed of.

Notice what Dumitru was told when the rapture will occur — after America is destroyed, and just as God destroys the enemies of Israel:

When Israel doesn’t have the help of the Jews in America anymore, in their terror, when they see what is coming, the Jews in Israel will call upon the Messiah.  The Messiah will come to help Israel. Then the church of God will meet Him in the clouds (1 Thes.4:16).

This seems to fit with what Paul said in 2 Thess.: Why There is No Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib Rapture: Jesus will destroy the Lawless One at the same time he is gathering the saints to meet him in the air

– jeff

This vision also at Dumitru’s grandson’s site: THE MESSAGE FOR AMERICA

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From: americaslastdays.blogspot.com/p/dumitru-duduman-vision-of-russian.html

Dumitru Duduman Russian Invasion of America

Dumitru Duduman was a Romanian pastor that smuggled bible into Russia. He was captured and tortured by the electric chair. When he was close to death Gabriel the archangel came to him and ministered to him and by the grace of God he was expelled out of Romania.

When he moved to America Dumitru Duduman received a vision from the Lord and Gabriel showed him all of Californian, Las Vegas, New York, Nevada, and Florida and was told that these cities were as Sodom and Gomorrah and that in one day it would burn. He was told that Revelation 17,18 and Ezekiel 38,39 talks of the Russian invasion of America Mystery Babylon and in one day it will burn.

In one day Russia will attack America by sea and destroy America by nuclear weapons.

The Nations that will attack and destroy America are Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and 2 others that where forgotten but one may be China according to Henry gruver’s vision of the destruction of America.

Dumitru Duduman
The Russian Invasion of America

It was late at night and I couldn’t stay inside because of the smell.  I was sitting outside on a rock.  A light came toward me.  The fear of cars came with me.  The Romanian Police tried to run over me with cars.  That’s why I jumped up.  The light surrounded me.  Out of the light I heard the same voice.  It said, “Dumitru, why are you so despaired?”

I said, “Why did you punish me?  What did I do that was so rotten that you brought me to the United States?  I have nowhere to lie my head down upon.  I can’t understand anybody.”

He said, “Dumitru, didn’t I tell you that I am here with you also?  I brought you here to this country because this country will burn.”

“Then why did you bring me here to burn?  Why didn’t you let me die in my own country?”

“Dumitru, have patience and I will tell you.  Get beside me.”

I don’t know what it was.  Brothers, I got beside the angel.  He showed me all of California.  He showed me all the cities of California.  Then he showed me Las Vegas.

“You see what I have shown you?  This is Sodom and Gomorrah.  In one day it will burn.”

He said, “It’s sin has reached the Holy One.”

He showed me another great city.  He said, “Do you know what city this is?”

I said, “No.”

He said, “This is New York City.  This is Sodom and Gomorrah.  In one day it will burn.”

He showed me Florida.  He said, “This is Florida.  This is Sodom and Gomorrah.  In one day it will burn.”

He didn’t let me say a word until he brought me back to the place we had left.  He said, “Now, Dumitru, you can ask me questions.”

He said, “I brought you to this country.  Dumitru, I want to wake up a lot of people.  I love this country.  I love the people.  I want to save them.  America will burn.”

I said, “How can I save them?  I can’t even speak their language?  Who knows me here?  How will they call me?”

He said, “Don’t worry.  I will be ahead of you.  I will make great healings among the American people.  You will go to television stations, radio stations and churches.  Tell them everything I tell you.  Don’t hide anything.  If you try to hide anything I will punish you.  America will burn.”

“How will America burn?  It is so powerful.”

He said, “The Russian spies have discovered where the most  powerful nuclear missiles are in America.  It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.  Then there will be an internal revolution in America, started by the Communists.  The government will be busy with internal problems.  Then, from the oceans, Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and two other countries (which I cannot remember) will attack!  The Russians will bombard the nuclear missile silos in America.  America will burn.

I said, “What will you do with the church?”

He said, “The church has left me.”

I said, “How? Don’t you have people here?”

He said, “People in America honor people.  The honor that should be given to God, they give to other people.  Americans think highly of themselves.  They say, ‘I serve God,’ but they don’t.  In the church there is divorce, adultery, fornication, sodomy, abortion and all kinds of sin.  Jesus Christ doesn’t live in sin.  He lives in holiness. I brought you here so you could cry out loud.  Don’t be afraid.  I am with you.  Tell them to stop sinning.  God never stops forgiving.  Tell them to repent.  He will forgive them.  Tell them to start preparing themselves so I can save them in the day of trouble.”

If you call me to speak, God loves you.  That’s what the angel of God told me.

“Whoever I love, I want to wake.  I will put on their hearts to call you.  Don’t hide anything or I will punish you.”

Stop sinning and repent.  He will forgive and we will have salvation.

I said, “How will you save the Church if America will burn?”

He said, “Tell them as I tell you.  As he saved the three young men through the oven of fire, and Daniel from the mouth of the lion, that is how I will save them.  Tell them to stop sinning and repent.

“I have blessed this country because of the Jews that are here.  I have 7 million Jews here.  They haven’t tasted war of persecution.  God blessed them more than anyone else.  Instead of thanking God, they started sinning and doing wickedly.  Their sins have reached the Holy one.  God will punish them with fire.  Israel doesn’t recognize the Messiah, because they place their trust on the power of the Jews in America.  When God will hit America, all the nations will be terrified.

“God will raise up China, Japan and many other nations and they will beat the Russians.  They will push them back to the gates of Paris.  There they will make a peace treaty, but they will make the Russians their leader.  All the nations with the Russians as their leader go against Israel.  It’s not that they want to.  God makes them.

Israel doesn’t have the help of the Jews in America anymore.  In their terror, when they see what is coming, they will call upon the Messiah.  The Messiah will come to help Israel. Then the church of God will meet Him in the clouds (1 Thes.4:16).

Are you ready to meet Jesus Christ?  Are your wedding clothes clean?  If there are still spots on the clothes of your soul, then the blood of Jesus Christ still has power to cleanse sins.  Jesus Christ will live with the Church on the Mount of Olives.  He himself will fight against the nations.

I said, “If you are the angel of God, everything you tell me has to be written in the Bible.  If it is not, then I can’t tell the Americans.”

“Tell them to read Jeremiah 51:8-15.  He names it ‘The Mystery Babylon,  The Great Adulteress.’  Also, Revelation Chapter 18, the entire chapter.  There it says clearly what will happen to America.”

Why did he name it, “The Mystery Babylon”?

“Tell them because all the nations of the world immigrated into America and America accepted them.  America accepted Buddha, the devil church, the sodomite church, the Mormon church and all kinds of wickedness.  America was a Christian nation.  Instead of stopping them, they went after their gods.  Because of this, He named them “The Mystery Babylon.”

So you know that truly I have been sent by God, tomorrow at 9:00 am, someone will come to give you a bed.  At 10:30 someone will come to pay your rent.  At noon, someone will bring you a car and give you a bucket of honey.”

Brothers, it happened as the angel had said.  At 9:00 someone rang my doorbell and said, “I brought you a bed.  I could not sleep all night long.  God told me that you were from Romania and that you need a bed.”  At 10:30 someone else rang my doorbell and handed me a check for $500 and said, “God told me to bring you $500.”  At noon, someone came and gave [me] a car and a bucket of honey!

You might say, “Why?  We trust in God!  We have God on our side!  On our dollar bill it has ‘In God we trust.’  How are our lives?  We go after the foreign gods.  The American church has adultery, fornication, sodomy, divorce and abortion.  If we repent with all of our hearts and call Jesus to help us, we will stop sinning.  We know that when Jesus comes we will meet him in the clouds.

The angel also said, “Before the internal problems begin in America, your country (Romania) will have a revolution (fulfilled December 22, 1989).

(Dumitru told me about the revolution in March of 1988 over a year before it occurred.)

Entire Article Here with Maps

Related:

(vision) Dumitru Duduman: WHEN AMERICA GOES TO WAR WITH CHINA the RUSSIANS WILL STRIKE Alaska, Minnesota, Florida — “America’s sin has reached God. He will allow this destruction, for He can no longer stand such wickedness. God however, still has people that worship Him with a CLEAN HEART as they do HIS WORK. He has prepared a heavenly army to save these people”

[ audio ] Henry Gruver’s Three Visions: Russian (and Chinese) Invasion of America — “When Russia opens her gates and lets the masses go, the free world will occupy themselves with transporting, housing and caring for the masses, and will begin to let their weapons down, and will cry ‘peace and safety,’ and that’s when it will happen.”

(video) Dumitru Duduman: Wake Up America

[2-hour audio] Henry Gruver with Steve Quayle: Visions of War – Visions of Heaven

[mp3 audio] Henry Gruver’s Vision of America being invaded by Russia

[47-minute audio] Henry Gruver: Russian Invasion of America

The WW3 Prophecies (includes prophecies by others)

RED DAWN: ASIAN MILITARY INVASION OF USA? (prophecies by many others)

(vision) Woman Sees Russia Attack US In WWIII! — SOVIET UNION the threat, not ISIS • TIME is SHORT – she saw PUTIN “the way he looks now!” • No pre-trib rapture!

[Updated December 2013] Joel Skousen: Year-End Big Picture Review of Threats — Russia/China invasion of U.S.A. TIMING discussed

Skousen: U.S. Intentionally Vulnerable to Nuclear Attack from China/Russia

Skousen: RUSSIA’S PREPARATIONS TO FIGHT AND WIN A NUCLEAR WAR • The US is actively inviting a first strike against our forces by disarming while Russia cheats—and we don’t even have a treaty with the Chinese for them to cheat on, so it’s full steam ahead for all the major nuclear powers except the US • The US will do anything to coverup or downplay the Chinese threat • The Chinese have over 3,000 miles of tunnels to hide their mobile missiles

China Preparing to Target U.S. Aircraft Carriers — The WU-14 can penetrate missile defense systems by traveling at up to ten times the speed of sound!

(audio/text) Joel Skousen: With a Growing Russian Missile Threat, US is Still Disarming — “Russia says their missiles are for “containment” of the US, but we know they are preparing for a nuclear first strike on America”

(video) Joel Skousen: An Evil Pact Drives Globalists to Set Up USA for China/Russia Takeover | North Korea Will Be the Trigger

New Russian Submarines Are So Silent That The U.S. Navy Calls Them “Black Holes” — An earlier model armed with long-range cruise missiles sailed around in the Gulf of Mexico for weeks without being detected in 2012!

(video) US aircraft carriers would last 2-3 days against Soviet navy at sea – Admiral Rickover in the ’70s — Russian subs are so capable and difficult to locate!

345 MPH Supercavitating Torpedoes — US aircraft carriers now sitting ducks to Russia & China’s torpedoes

Russia and China’s SS-N-22 Sunburn missile: U.S. aircraft carrier and Aegis-class cruiser killer! — SS-N-22 skims the surface of the water at 2.5x the speed of sound until just before impact, when it lifts up and then heads straight down into the target’s deck. Its 200 kiloton nuclear warhead has almost 20 times the explosive power of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima. The U.S. Navy has no defence against this missile system

(video) Russia Electronically Disables U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer — Ultra-modern destroyer USS Donald Cook paralyzed by a single SU-24 in the Black Sea (2014)

China may have largest Pacific fleet by 2020 — and capability to destroy US military and intelligence satellites?

Skousen: Analysis of Strategic Threats in the Current Decade

[Updated May 2010] Joel Skousen: Analysis of Strategic Threats in the Current Decade — The Big Picture!

CORRIE TEN BOOM: PREPARED For The COMING TRIBULATION — “Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be STRONG ENOUGH TO BE A MARTYR for Jesus Christ.” My father said, “OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN KNOWS when you will need the strength…. HE WILL SUPPLY ALL YOU NEED – JUST IN TIME.“

12 Reasons NOT To Expect a PRE-Trib Rapture

In-studio with Infowarrior Alex Jones: Pastor Anderson Reveals Pre-Trib Rapture Deception — “Before the year 1830, EVERY denomination, every type of Christianity taught that the rapture took place AFTER the tribulation, because that’s what the Bible explicitly says.”

[7-minute video sneak peek] The RAPTURE will take place “AFTER THE TRIBULATION” — “Christians, today, are NOT BEING WARNED about the events they will face in the great tribulation. To learn the truth about the rapture, we must look within the pages of the Bible, itself”

Pastor Steven Anderson in Infowars studio: The Truth Left Behind — “The PRE-tribulation rapture is not based on ANY scripture.” The “Left Behind” series was fiction.

All 100+ of my Joel Skousen posts (10 posts per page; latest appear first)

Why There is No Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib Rapture: Jesus will destroy the Lawless One at the same time he is gathering the saints to meet him in the air

From: Scholars Corner

The Last Trumpet: Why There is no Pre-Tribulation* or Mid-Tribulation* Rapture

Paul’s View of the Last Days – Why There are None “Left Behind”

Those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation or Mid-Tribulation Rapture have argued that Jesus will appear and gather the saints and then disappear for either 3.5 years or 7 years* while the Anti-Christ takes over the earth.* However, Paul clearly states that when Jesus appears, Jesus will destroy the Lawless One at the same time he is gathering the saints to meet him in the airThere is no intervening period of 3 to 7 years.

The logic is very simple. Paul equates the return of the Lord with the slaying of the Anti-Christ [or Man of Lawlessness], he equates the return of Christ with the Rapture [or Assembly to meet Jesus in the air], and he equates the return of Christ with the Last Trumpet. Paul sees all three events as simultaneous. The Anti-Christ is causing a reign of terror before the coming of the Lord, and the saints are still on the earth being persecuted while this Man of Lawlessness has power. Paul anticipates that he may even be alive at the time of the Lord’s appearing during this time of persecution – which would mean that Paul, a faithful, believing saint, might be on the earth during the time of the tribulation. He is not being left behind because of apostasy:

“But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangels call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, RSV.

There was a rumor spreading among the Thessalonians that they had missed the “rapture.” They had heard that the Lord had already returned, and they feared they might have been “left behind.” Paul writes 1 & 2 Thessalonians in part to assure believers that they have not been “left behind.” Paul wants them to know that all believers will share in Christ’s return and none will be left or miss the Lord’s coming. Believing that even he might be on earth at the Lord’s return, Paul says that the there will be many saints on the earth when Christ returns, and together with the previously dead in Christ, they all will assemble in the air to meet Jesus, who will, at that time, slay the Anti-Christ. Jesus will not leave people on the earth at the mercy of the Anti-Christ. There will not be an rapture [assembly in the air] and then, later, Jesus again coming a third time to destroy the Anti-Christ. Jesus destroys the Lawless One at the very same time he comes for the saints:

“Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the Man of Lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?… And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming.” 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, RSV.

Entire Article Here

Related:

12 Reasons NOT To Expect a PRE-Trib Rapture

Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel!

Dave Macpherson, author of “The Rapture Plot”: Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty — John Darby, Edward Irving, Cyrus Scofield, Tim Lahaye, John Walvoord, Jerry Falwell, Chuck Missler, Hal Lindsey, Jack van Impe, Grant Jeffrey …

The Rapture: History and Influence in America — “Christians trade the message of Revelation as a call of discipleship in a fallen world for escapism.”

Corrie Ten Boom: Prepared for the Coming Tribulation

Warmongers Unite: Rapture Ready – The Christians United for Israel Tour with ‘Pastor’ John Hagee

John Hagee – Enforce UN Thought Crimes Law

Preemptive-Striker John Hagee Endorses 100-Years-in-Iraq John McCain

John Hagee: “Jesus Did Not Come To Earth To Be the Messiah”

Pastor Baldwin: Ron Paul’s Israel Problem [Evangelicals Led Astray?]

John Hagee calls for a preemptive strike on Iran

John Hagee: Unrepentant Heretic? — Today, churchgoers stand hand in hand with a Jewish people who would crucify Christ again if He walked their streets.

Alex Jones: The pre-trib rapture doctrine is a big, sickening, psyop, bringing US into tyranny! “Most of you are a bunch of torture loving, war loving people…” — Truthful commentary by a non-pastor

Mike Bickle’s (IHOP) prophetic dream: “What is coming is so much more intense than we imagine.” “We must experience manifestation of His majesty that makes us tremble and His kindness that moves us to repentance and servanthood.” “We will receive angelic assistance and great power…”

After America Went Down Music: Our Demise Theme [Barber: “Adagio for Strings”] / The Demons Rejoice Dance Mix [Dj Tiesto] ||| WWWIII ||| “Once saved always saved” + pre-tribulation rapture + old covenant law tithing + “Support Bush no matter what”/dis the peacemakers and Ron Paul = Doomsday! ||| Where were the Bonhoeffers and therefore the disciples of Christ?!!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[video] The Rapture: History and Influence in America — “Christians trade the message of Revelation as a call of discipleship in a fallen world for escapism.”

“Why should the last generation of Christians expect to do less
cross-bearing than previous ones?”

– Ben Witherington
Asbury Theological Seminary 

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“Proponents of the rapture have taken particular passages and removed them from their context in order to support their theological ideas. Such theology distorts the message of the Bible. Christians trade the message of Revelation as a call of discipleship in a fallen world for escapism.”

“Rather than viewing natural disasters and wars as horrific events that require Christian action, many embrace these events as exciting signals that Christ will soon rapture His church. Many fear that these views are shaping American culture and political beliefs.”

(transcribed by Jeff Fenske)

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Witherington stated it this way in his book, Revelation and the End Times: Unraveling God’s Message of Hope —

“Why should the last generation of Christians be exempt from suffering or martyrdom when no previous generation of the faithful have been?”

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Video also at VIMEO
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Left Behind History and Influence-Great Lies and false Teachings
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Related:
 

Warmongers Unite: Rapture Ready – The Christians United for Israel Tour with ‘Pastor’ John Hagee

John Hagee – Enforce UN Thought Crimes Law

Preemptive-Striker John Hagee Endorses 100-Years-in-Iraq John McCain

John Hagee: “Jesus Did Not Come To Earth To Be the Messiah”

Pastor Baldwin: Ron Paul’s Israel Problem [Evangelicals Led Astray?]

John Hagee calls for a preemptive strike on Iran

John Hagee: Unrepentant Heretic? — Today, churchgoers stand hand in hand with a Jewish people who would crucify Christ again if He walked their streets.

Alex Jones: The pre-trib rapture doctrine is a big, sickening, psyop, bringing US into tyranny! “Most of you are a bunch of torture loving, war loving people…” — Truthful commentary by a non-pastor

Mike Bickle’s (IHOP) prophetic dream: “What is coming is so much more intense than we imagine.” “We must experience manifestation of His majesty that makes us tremble and His kindness that moves us to repentance and servanthood.” “We will receive angelic assistance and great power…”

After America Went Down Music: Our Demise Theme [Barber: “Adagio for Strings”] / The Demons Rejoice Dance Mix [Dj Tiesto] ||| WWWIII ||| “Once saved always saved” + pre-tribulation rapture + old covenant law tithing + “Support Bush no matter what”/dis the peacemakers and Ron Paul = Doomsday! ||| Where were the Bonhoeffers and therefore the disciples of Christ?!!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[video] Pastor Antonio Thomas: The Truth about Tithing — Pastors are afraid they won’t get paid, so they threaten people with an old covenant curse instead of teaching heartfelt, Spirit-led giving

Many pastors don’t want to give up on teaching tithing; even though, they know it’s wrong. Antonio points out that they’re afraid they won’t get paid. That’s because people rightfully don’t want to fund spiritually dead ‘churches’ in which the pastors aren’t Spirit-led themselves to even be able to teach the people how to be led by the Holy Spirit.

If pastors need to teach tithing to keep the doors open they shouldn’t be pastors. And could these pastors then pray against (James-3 curse) those who refuse to go along with tithing — thinking they even have an Old Testament scripture that gives them license to even curse those who they are supposed to lead into holiness?

I think so. See: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable” I can still remember the pastor slamming the pulpit, yelling: “don’t you dare rob God!!” Another in the same ‘church’ led us in a prayer in which he actually cursed the abortionists. I spoke to him afterward, saying we can’t do this because of James 3. He said he can do this because of what it says in the Old Testament. And we have never spoken again.

One of the pastors in this ‘church’ told me that they all know tithing isn’t biblical, but they aren’t telling the people….

But once the truth about tithing is taught, and how we need to be right with each other in Christ to even be real, going-to-heaven Christians, then God would show up in such great glory — ‘ONE’ happening (John 17) — that there never would be money problems again!!!

It’s just such a no brainer. Com’ on, you all. The Bible really is clear on both of these doctrines: “who goes to heaven” and “tithing or being Spirit-led.” I prove them on this site.

If we’ve been wrong, let’s just admit it, and get right with all people in God, and live in His glory for the rest of our lives on earth.

People in the churches keep crying for revival, but the only way ‘ONE’ will happen is if we actually do the greatest two commandments. And getting this love-of-money issue right is a key part.

Imagine, if you were God, and the pastors are keeping people under a curse instead of teaching them to be led by You. It grieves God’s heart. His people are so far from Him because the pastors refuse to teach the truth; even though, they’ll get a stricter judgment — which they teach that they can’t because of the once saved, always saved heresy.

Jeff

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“We have to now attach curses to people to motivate them to give. … Whenever you attach giving to those things [threat of being cursed, etc.], and that means that your giving is under compulsion. and it is no longer a heartfelt, spirit-led action.”

“Most of our pastors don’t trust God enough for that. … At the end of the month there would be a whole lot of nervous pastors wondering if they’re going to get paid. … My philosophy is that if this is of God, then your lack of giving cannot destroy it. If this is of God?”

– Antonio Thomas

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67wiZovdpl0]The Truth about Tithing by Pastor Antonio Thomas of Freedom Christian Church in Tucker, GA

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Sr. Pastor Antonio Thomas exposes the fallacy of requiring members of local churches to pay tithes and reveals the truth about tithing’s exclusive connection to the Old Covenant in scripture. This interview will surely liberate many people who have felt uncomfortable with the concept of tithing in their local church.

Related:

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Pastor Cornelius Simon: No More Tithing (Atlanta Live Interview)

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

‘Pastor’: You can pray AGAINST people. “It’s well worth it!” – Vs – God: “Bless and don’t curse,” “This wisdom is…DEMONIC,” “Overcome evil with good” “that you may be children of your Father”

“Breaking Christian Curses: Finding Freedom from Destructive Prayers” by Dennis Cramer

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way (Can James-3 cursers go to heaven?)

Can a Christian Have a Demon? Absolutely! Most Have Many!

WordPOWER: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within

WordPOWER: The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

All of my ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts at ONEcanhappen

All of my People Cursing People posts at ToBeFree

[video] Pastor Cornelius Simon: No More Tithing (Atlanta Live Interview)

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfeDi5E16P0]No More Tithing (Atlanta Live Interview)

Uploaded by  on Jan 25, 2011

Should believers tithe under the new covenant as it was mandated under the old covenant, the law? What were the rules of tithing under the old coveant? Were everyone to tithe off of everything? In this Atlanta Live interview, Pastor Simon shares the truth about tithing and its relevancy under the New Covenant.This intervie will have you asking questions and wanting more knowledge on the subject of tithing.

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Related:

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

[video] Truth vs Unity: “Truth must come before unity”

“Truth must come before unity.”

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“There is an absolute truth to the universe. Somethings are bad and somethings are good. Truth is not relative.

The phrase “What is true for you is not true for me” by definition cannot be true. Ex: The world is round regardless of whether you believe it is flat.” (The Paradigm Shift)

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycY8y9cK0SE]Know Your Enemy (Part 68 – Truth v Unity)

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Series exploring the coming New World Order from a Christian perspective. In this part, how Christians should deal with Post-Modernism and its ideas about ecumenism, interfaith dialogue and world peace.

This nearly eleven-hour journey through history, the Bible, theology and occult thought is now available as a four DVD set here:http://www.theapologeticsgroup.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=398

The manuscript is available as an e-book through Amazon athttp://www.amazon.com/Know-Your-Enemy-Perspective-ebook/dp/B007SM5TQ8/ref=sr_….

DONATIONS for future series and the expansion of the Fuel ministry can also be made via PayPal using the address ‘authenticfuel@gmail.com’ (vision outline available on the Facebook page).

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David Wilkerson: True Grace — “According to Paul, we are not walking in grace until we have broken from worldly corruptions. Unless we are endeavoring through the power of the Holy Spirit to lead godly and righteous lives, looking for the Lord’s coming in our every waking moment, we do not know God’s grace.”

From: worldchallenge.org/en/node/17699

TRUE GRACE
by David Wilkerson | April 11, 2012

Let me give you the heart of the true grace message: It is not a permissive gospel but one that teaches holiness!

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:11-13).

According to Paul, we are not walking in grace until we have broken from worldly corruptions. Unless we are endeavoring through the power of the Holy Spirit to lead godly and righteous lives, looking for the Lord’s coming in our every waking moment, we do not know God’s grace.

Many Christians want forgiveness, but that is all. They do not want to be delivered from this present world, because they love it. They are attached to their sins, not wanting to give up the pleasures of this earth. So they cling to a doctrine [‘eternal security’ or ‘once saved, always saved’ (OSAS) – editor] that says, “I can live as I please — as long as I say that I believe.”

They do not want to hear about obedience, repentance, self- denial, picking up their cross, taking on the yoke or burden of Christ. They simply want to be excused on Judgment Day — to have all their iniquities overlooked. They expect Jesus to open up the pearly gates, put His arms around them, and lead them down a golden street to their reserved mansion, even though they have never broken from the spirit of this world!

Paul writes, “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God” (Romans 12:2). We are to break from this world completely and be conformed to Christ alone!

Jesus justifies us through faith for a purpose: It is to embolden and empower us to resist the devil and overcome the world.

[Jesus Christ] gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father” (Galatians 1:4).

Related:

The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think?

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

The Call To HOLINESS / Believe unto Holiness without which no man shall see God — Rebellion is as witchcraft. Unbelief has kept us from true holiness. Here unbelief will be defeated…

From: gdcgray2.blogspot.com

Rebellion is as witchcraft. Unbelief has kept us from true holiness. Here unbelief will be defeated and you will leave with a new confidence to walk in the holiness [God] called you to and enable[d] you in.

The Call To HOLINESS / Believe unto Holiness without which no man shall see God

by Gary Gray

Jesus Christ, the one who is God in the flesh, Shed His Blood on the cross that we would be made clean, through: belief in Him as Lord and Savior, His death and resurrection, His ascension and imminent return, even by His atonement; His blood having made us clean, has thereby made us able to receive in us the presence of the Holy Spirit and by this, having been born again of God, we have been equipped with the ability to cleanse ourselves of all wickedness through the Power of The Holy Spirit; for those who believe and receive the light that the world rejected, He has given power to become the sons of God.

Therefore since God has required that we be Holy even as He is Holy, it is not something of which we should be discouraged nor should it be despised, for God is just, righteous, and true, desiring beyond our comprehension that we become one with Him, even as He is one with the Son Jesus Christ, so much so, that we should consider the command to be Holy as evidence that He has made us able also to perform it.

Let us avoid the powerful grip of wickedness which results from unbelief, for if we do not believe we can be Holy, we have given ourselves to wickedness and offended the Holy and precious gift of God toward us despising the holy sacrifice of The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the living Son of God who left Glory to secure our place in the Heavenly and divine creation to come.

If God left Glory to suffer the death on the cross for us, then how important do we think it is to Him to also finish in us the work He started; and if we entered in to this life with Him through faith and believing and by the Power of the Holy Spirit, then how else shall we continue on into the holiness to which we are called and without which no man shall see God?

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Related:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

(video) Paul Washer: “We Have Forgotten that the Way is Narrow” [The title is GREAT, but this is another way of teaching the false doctrine of once-saved-always-saved. The key isn’t in truly being born-again and then God automatically does it. Many have truly been born-again. The key is to safely abide in Christ from where life flows and ‘ONE’ can happen!!!]

Since I have written Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, it would seem logical that I would agree with a message entitled We Have Forgotten that the Way is Narrow. I do appreciate very much what Paul Washer says here, but he is teaching another form of the once-saved-always-saved fallacy in this presentation; though, this is much less dangerous than how most teach once-saved-always-saved.

The extreme view:
Charles Stanley and many others teach that if a person is truly born-again, there is nothing they can do to lose their salvation. Even unrepentant rapists and murderers go to heaven in this teaching

Paul Washer and some others’ view:
If a person is truly born-again, God will make sure that the person will stay enough on the right path that he or she will go to heaven no matter what. Washer probably believes in God’s sovereignty, instead of man having free will and therefore personal responsibility.

What I believe:
Many have been truly and sincerely born-again. Many have sincerely tried to follow the Holy Spirit (or do so in spurts), Who is in them, prompting them to overcome and convicting them of sin, but many are willfully disobeying to the degree that they’re not making sure they are right with their brothers and sisters and God Himself so they have clean consciences to be able to enter heaven, according to what the Bible really says. I show in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? what the Bible really teaches regarding what God requires of His people. Our hearts must be pure. We must overcome as God enables us to do so by His Grace.

I believe that truly born-again people can easily (especially these days with all of these temptations) willfully sin to where we leave the safe place of abiding in Christ, to where our consciences condemn us. And unless we repent and get right with God again (and sometimes this means getting right with people too), then we are in danger of going to Hell.

This is not normal Christianity, but it is normal for many ‘Christians’ today. Many have been led astray into thinking that we can ignore the warning-promptings of the Holy Spirit and the meek Jesus will give us the thumbs up anyway. But Jesus in heaven is not mainly meek. Jesus is endued with power, completely holy. If our consciences bother us on earth, where His presence is right now not very strong, imagine how our unclean consciences will shout at us. We will tremble when we stand before our HOLY GOD, face to face, horrified by our guilt that remains!!!

Consider this pastor, who would have spent eternity in hell just because he refused to forgive his wife:

Pastor DIES > goes to HELL because he HADN’T FORGIVEN his wife > AROSE from the dead almost 2 days later > tells story

Washer ignores the many verses that I give in “Who-Goes-to-Heaven Scriptures…” that show how holy we must be to be going-to-heaven children of God.

I know a pastor, locally, who was going to teach a number of messages about who goes to heaven. Before he did so, he promised he’d look at my writings. I was so excited and certain we could get on the same page and help revival to soon happen. To my utter shock and amazement, he ended up refusing to read what I wrote, and he taught similarly to what Paul Washer teaches in this message regarding the Calvinist perseverance of the saints doctrine — that if a person is truly born-again they will persevere, showing fruit — even if there is bad fruit, willful, unrepentant sin in there too. He then cut me off from his life, and hasn’t spoken to me since; even though, an overseer must be blameless: Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified.

I appreciate Paul Washer’s willingness to teach about the fear of the Lord and some of the warning scriptures, but it doesn’t seem to me that this kind of teaching really is bringing about Christlike fruit in which people are really getting holy and right with God and each other so we can be free — and ‘ONE’!

I don’t see the joy of the Lord here. I still see a license for willful sin. The emphasis in this kind of teaching isn’t in overcoming, but in getting truly born-again, which I believe many really have been. Because being born-again is a decision we make, God giving us the grace in order to respond to His wooings. And walking with Christ is also a daily, even hourly decision we make. We can walk out of His hand. We can remove ourselves away from the Vine in order to do our own thing that we know He doesn’t approve of. Jesus in John 15 is very clear, and tells of the consequences if we were to die in that state.

We can become prodigal sons and daughters. We can forfeit our birthright. But we can also come back to Him, where He will run to us with open arms, where we can live safely in Christ.

It’s up to us, for we know what His will is: that all would be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus will always enable us to overcome. But it’s up to us to abide in Him, connected to the Vine, so His sap can flow through us where fruit will remain — so we won’t be thrown into the fire and burned.

The ball is in our court, not God’s.

God has sovereignly given us free will to determine our own fate. And I just don’t understand how pastors can think things are okay when the presence of God can hardly even be felt during group ‘worship.’ Shouldn’t that be a warning sign that something isn’t right, because God “resists the proud but gives grace to the humble?”

Why aren’t pastors relentless in figuring out what is wrong with us so God can move among us again as a group?

Most pastors are confidence men, telling the people “I’m okay; you’re okay,” when hardly anyone is okay with God, really — or we’d be ‘ONE,’ and the world would know. God’s grace would be so filling us. We’d be shouting for joy!!!

Let us be ‘ONE’!!!

May we be free in Him — demon and false-doctrine free. Then the world will know — John 17. Now, they smell a rat until we are holy.

They’ll know us by our love for another. OSAS does not compel us to walk in perfect love for one another so the glory of God can give us so much real, overcoming joy that the world will know!!!

Power to the peaceful!!!

Jeff Fenske

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_hGBFVzYZ4]We Have Forgotten that the Way is Narrow. (Paul Washer)

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“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
(Mat 7:13-14)

http://www.heartcrymissionary.com

Related – John Calvin didn’t get it:

My Ph.D.-genius-friend, John Calvin expert: “In all my reading of Calvin, I don’t recall him ever apologizing for a mistake or admitting an error.” | According to Paul, can John Calvin be in heaven?

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake — His Ashes Cry Out!

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: By their Fruits You Will Know Them — Martin Luther was a false teacher, a racist, a persecutor and a murderer! John Calvin was a false teacher, a deranged tyrant, a persecutor and a murderer!

John Calvin was a Persecutor

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

[video] Tim Baldwin: “Romans 13 – The True Meaning of Submission” — ‘Submit’ does not mean obey no matter what!

We need to stand up for what is right.

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‘Submit’ does not mean obey no matter what.
It means give due submission where submission is actually owed.

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YQQ9PqZ130]Weaponizing Religion: Romans 13 Co-Author Tim Baldwin Reports

Uploaded by  on Mar 7, 2012

Many Christian pastors and leaders today are erroneously reviving the divine-right-of-kings argument used in the Dark Ages, which created some of the most horrific human affairs in history. They, like the grandfather of Communism, Georg Hegel, argue that government is Divinely sanctioned to do anything it pleases and that God requires people to submit regardless of God’s standards of justice. This argument has been used by virtually every tyrant since Jesus’ life, including Adolf Hitler.

This false doctrine is doing more to bring America and the rest of the world into slavery than perhaps any other thing. Holders of this doctrine are creating self-fulfilling prophecies of America’s destruction–all in the name of Romans chapter 13.

This absurd interpretation of the Bible and Romans chapter 13 has not gone unchallenged: it is Romans 13-The True Meaning of Submission.
http://www.romans13truth.com/
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/
http://twitter.com/#!/RealAlexJones

[1-minute video] Francis Chan: “The Bible says in Psalm 111:10 — ‘The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.’ And it’s not that there aren’t a million other things to learn about God, but He says you’ve got to start with the fear of the Lord.”

“The Bible says in Psalm 111:10 —
‘The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.’
And it’s not that there aren’t a million other things to learn about God,
but He says you’ve got to start with the fear of the Lord.”

– Francis Chan

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maJXmX3YvWk]BASIC.Fear God – Francis Chan – Behind the Scenes

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Francis Chan speaks about the starting point for BASIC Series.

[video] Tyler Perry Curses Spike Lee

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rwqMp-UMx4]Tyler Perry Curses Spike Lee

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Posted in accordance to Fair Use Act for character evaluation of Tyler Perry.

Related:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Are we supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit in our decisions?

I just wrote this in a comment on Facebook. I thought I’d share it here.

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There is an interesting example of someone who was led by the Holy Spirit, and we are supposed to walk like he did.

Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit when he walked on this earth, having emptied himself (Philippians 2). He said:

BY MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING; I judge only AS I HEAR, and my judgment is just, for I SEEK NOT TO PLEASE MYSELF BUT HIM who sent me” (John 5:30).

“I tell you the truth, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING BY HIMSELF; he can do only what he sees his Father doing…” (John 5:19).

We are supposed to walk like Jesus did:

“But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live IN HIM must walk as Jesus did” (1 John 2:5).

In a paper that I wrote while attending seminary A Call to Intimacy: The Holy Spirit in John’s Gospel & Epistles, I say this:

Prophets in the Old Testament prophesied that Jesus would operate by the empowering of the Holy Spirit (Ps. 2:2; Isa. 11:1-5 ; 42:1,7; 61:1-3). The New Testament also witnesses to the fact that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35), LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT (Matt. 4:1, Mark. 1:12, Luke. 4:1), EMPOWERED to preach, cast out demons, and heal the sick BY THE HOLY SPIRIT (Matt. 12:28; Luke 4:14, 18, 19; 11:20), and resurrected by the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:11; 1 Pet. 3:18,19).

Jesus often went to lonely places to spend time with his father, so he would know what to do. His cry at Gethsemane was “Not my will, but yours be done.”

After he died, he sent the counselor, the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth so we could walk like Jesus did:

“But THE COUNSELOR, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS…” (John 14:26).

“But when he, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, comes, he will GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH…” (John 16:13).

“But YOU HAVE AN ANOINTING from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth…. But as HIS ANOINTING TEACHES YOU ABOUT ALL THINGS and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit –just as it has taught you, REMAIN IN HIM” (1 John 2:20,27).

Being led by the Holy Spirit is the normal Christian life.

Related:

Hearing God’s Voice: Brief Repeat Phrases

Jesus’ Heart-Cry: “Let Us Be ONE”


FreedomQuote: R.E.R.: “Weeping and gnashing of teeth” means weeping and gnashing of teeth and “forever and ever” means what it says.

“Weeping and gnashing of teeth” means weeping and gnashing of teeth and “forever and ever” means what it says.

– R.E.R. (website: A Portrait of Love)

From his comment (#3735) on [Video] Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security

Excerpt:

My belief is that I accept the Bible as inspired by the Holy Spirit. I don’t think it likely that God The Holy Spirit speaks in suppositions or the hypothetical but rather in the stability of truth.

The Bible does warn about those who promote falsehood, Matt 7:15-16, 21-23; 2 Cor 11:13-15; 2 Tim 4:2-4; Rev 22:18-19 and other places. Manipulators, false teachers and false preachers, some even unaware themselves as being false, turn truth into pretzel-shaped distortions. Sometimes they dismiss bothersome passages as merely hypothetical or of some alleged supposition.

In all of this I think it’s a good idea for me to rely on the whole counsel of God.“Weeping and gnashing of teeth” means weeping and gnashing of teeth and “forever and ever” means what it says.

Jim Feeney: These Last Days Will Shake the Church

From: JimFeeney.org

The “last days”! These words bring apocalyptic images to the minds of many. But for the believer, the exciting focus is not the cataclysmic events prophesied to happen in the latter days, but the times of great Holy Spirit revival that will come upon the world and the Church.

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•• Remember the “former glory” of just the last century or so? — Azusa Street! … the Latter Rain … Full Gospel Business Men … the healing revivals of the 1950s and 60s … the Charismatic Movement … the Jesus People …

•• Haggai 2:9, KJV “The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former…”

•• The prophet Haggai said that the (re)building of the temple had ceased for 16 years, leading to years of fruitlessness. “Now”, he said, build the foundation and the house of the Lord, and as a result, “From this day on I [God] will bless you”!

•• Let us rebuild the Lord’s fallen house. Today’s blessings can exceed the former! The glory of the Church in the latter days can surpass that of the early Church.

Acts 2:16-21 (17) In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams…. (21) And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

•• We are living in the “last days” (Acts 2:16f; Hebrews 1:2). And we are drawing daily ever closer to the literal last days.

•• What should we expect? — An outpouring of the Holy Spirit … prophesying and other spiritual gifts to increase … heaven-sent visions and dreams … dramatic physical healings … multitudes saved

•• The first century had its great Pentecost. Our century should look for a great Pentecost, too!

[…]

Entire Article Here

Look what the NIV did to Romans 8:1 — They changed the entire meaning of the verse and leave no requirement or prerequisite to being free from condemnation! [Romans 8:1A is now an OSAS theme song, while verses 4-17 still say we must walk according to the Spirit, suffering with Christ to be heirs & children of God having ‘no condemnation’]

From: hissheep.org

A Comparison Between the King James (KJV) &

The New International (NIV) Bibles

Romans 8:1

KJV “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

NIV “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,”

NIV leaves out “who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” It changes the entire meaning of the verse and leaves no requirement or prerequisite to being free from condemnation. In truth, the verse tells us that if you do walk in the flesh, then there is condemnation. They have taken that out, so that you won’t know the truth. (source).

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

The Biblical basis for Holy-Spirit-led giving is in my article: The Day that Tithing Ended, to Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit — No-More-Tithing Scriptures

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I had this dream a little more than 20 years ago [~1989].

There was an open area between 3rd and 4th Avenues in downtown Anchorage, Alaska (where the Sunshine Plaza is) where a former elder of Abbott Loop Christian Center (ALCC and now called Abbott Loop Community Church) was speaking to a large crowd of people with over a PA system about tithing.

He was giving the reasons why, one by one — one of which is the claim that tithing was in effect before the law.

I was at the edge of the crowd, partly leaping while waiving my arms, trying to get their attention, saying loudly, “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!” Every time the speaker would give a point, this was my response.

Then I realized that the only way people would listen to me is if I wrote a book on tithing.

And the dream ended.

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In 1999, I was given a prophecy about writing books, explained here:Intro: “Let Us Be ONE”

The head of the event had watched the prophet give me the prophecy (which was also a dream that he had), and asked me if I had ever felt led to write books. I shared with him my downtown-Anchorage-tithing dream….

When I did receive the “Let Us Be ONE” prophecy, which I think was supposed to be a published book, this small part was on tithing. In the new covenant, we are to be led by the Holy Spirit, which fulfills and supersedes the old covenant:

Let Us Be ONE, Part 8 of 33

10/3/01

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?

Give sheep a rest from all those things they do. Don’t put burdens on them.

Tithing is not Biblical. Tithing is from another era, before I gave My Son, before I died so you could be free. A new way, a better way has come, and it will give you life.

Churches are dead, living for themselves. Unity has not occurred. Get up and pray. Do not faint, and I will give you life.

Give by the Spirit’s desires. He will tell you what to do and who to minister to. The Holy Spirit is your friend. We are ONE, and We are in you, giving you life as you obey.

Do not be afraid of My leading. The problem with many is sin. Sin separates, and sin destroys the yoke.

The carriage must have a driver. Most drive themselves, unaware of My presence, unaware that I want to lead.

Related:

Let Us Be ONE: Table of Contents

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — “Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal”

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

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Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

 

[Reality-check video] Learn Why Jesus BANNED Heaven From Famous Uganda Pastor!

“Beloved, there is a responsibility to overcome.”

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2YUaeyditU]Learn Why Jesus BANNED Heaven From Famous Uganda Pastor!

Uploaded by on Jan 16, 2012

Renowned Pastor in Uganda with a “successful ministry” in saving many souls, many healed and many delivered was SHOCKED when JESUS told him “if I came today to take my Bride…I WOULD NOT TAKE YOU.” At that moment, he said “ALL HIS THEOLOGIES COULD NOT ACCEPT THAT”, but JESUS is still saying: “I WOULD NOT TAKE YOU.” Will YOU be like HIM when JESUS RETURNS?

Please watch the whole testimony, it will really make you think and hopefully bring you to your KNEES in HUMILITY in DEEP REPENTANCE.

There is so much lies and the spirit of the Anti-Christ floating around videos / FB messages / false grace preaching on the internet and in the churches that SOUNDS GOOD when in fact they are absolutely false. The devil is using these false teachings to MAKE MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS (who think they are ready to see God) to be ABSOLUTELY LEFT BEHIND when all of this happens (which will be ANYTIME NOW). Please examine yourself honestly today, please everyone.

TIME IS OVER!

Related:

Pastor DIES > goes to HELL because he HADN’T FORGIVEN his wife > AROSE from the dead almost 2 days later > tells story

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[video] Paul Washer Sermon Jam: The True Christian | My take: Most theologians are making it way too complicated, trying to fit their doctrine into one of two OSAS mathematical formulas — instead of Christianity being right relationships which come from truly abiding in the Son. If our consciences are clear NOW they’ll be clear THEN!

I just wrote this as a comment to this video (below) posted on Facebook (my Facebook page). It appears very good, but something isn’t quite right. Here is my take.

The warning part is VERY good, and sadly RARE these days; however, some of this seems misleading. Most theologians are making it way too complicated, trying to fit their doctrine into one of two mathematical formulas, instead of Christianity just being a right relationship which comes from truly abiding in the Son.

Who goes to heaven is simple. We need to be forgiven, because we’ve all sinned. And then by God’s grace (Holy Spirit enablement/empowerment) we must overcome sin so our consciences are clear before God and men, now, so when we see Him face to face we’ll be right with Him to enter, then. “Without holiness no one will see God.”

But today, there are these two, disinfo, once-saved-always-saved, misleading doctrines.

Most are teaching that we don’t actually have to be right with men to be right with God — because “it’s all about what Jesus did.” We can be holy *legally* without being holy *experientially.* Which is the main doctrine destroying America, in my opinion.

And then there is John Calvin’s “perseverance of the saints” doctrine, which seems to be what Paul Washer is talking about here. They believe that those who are truly born-again will persevere to never lose their salvation, and that those who don’t persevere were never truly born-again. So in their way of thinking, even when these truly born-againers willfully sin they’ll overcome in the long run so even if they died while willfully lusting/lying/hating they’d go to heaven?!!! This is a direct contradiction to what the Bible really teaches, which I prove here…:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? [I’m planning on pulling my $6,000 offer today, as this has been up for a year. I’ve proven my point.]

Real Christianity is resting in God, confident that we’re right with God and people because we really, experientially are — and if we’re not right, we better get right so we can rest in Christ again, assured of our salvation, having clean consciences —abiding in the Vine, living in the Son.

And when a group of us are doing this we’ll be in unity — or what Jesus called ‘ONE’ (John 17). Then the world will know, because He’ll give us His glory, like He has so many times before in the many revivals, which I think is just basic Christianity that didn’t last, because they didn’t realize that they needed to stay holy to be real going-to-heaven Christians.

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETpvvFOwZc]Paul Washer Sermon Jam – The True Christian

Uploaded by on Apr 11, 2009

A sermon by Paul Washer, put to some music, with a small slide show.

Related:

Do You Honestly Believe That You Are Saved? JUST BECAUSE YOU PRAYED A PRAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [John Piper, Paul Washer, Leonard Ravenhill, Tim Conway, Charles Leiter]

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

[WordPOWER!] 1 Corinthians 10:13 — We should be FREE from SINS that lead to death: “God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape….”

1 Corinthians 10:6-13

Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be idolaters, as some of them were. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” Neither let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them committed, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell. Neither let us test the Lord, as some of them tested, and perished by the serpents. Neither grumble, as some of them also grumbled, and perished by the destroyer.

Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come. Therefore let him who thinks he stands be careful that he doesn’t fall. No temptation has taken you except what is common to man. God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

Related:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”

Howard Pittman’s Testimony: No Skin Color Differences in Heaven — “I couldn’t tell if they had been white, black, red or yellow.”

“I couldn’t tell if they [the saints he saw in heaven] had been white, black, red or yellow.”

“In eternity, you will be ageless, sexless* and raceless.”

– Howard Pittman

I think by “sexless,” Howard is saying that people in heaven have no sex organs, for there is no marriage.

However, I remember Rick Joyner saying in The Final Quest that women still have femininity, but not in a sexual way — that there is a healthy attraction between men and women on earth and in heaven that isn’t sexual.

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afWxlter9fU]Placebo By Howard Pittman – Part 7 of 12

Uploaded by on May 20, 2008

This is the testimony of Howard Pittman; a Baptist minister who, on August 3rd 1979, died in an ambulance after suffering a massive internal hemorrhage when the main artery in his abdomen ruptured from animism. This is some of what he heard and saw, as well as the remarkable message he was sent back to deliver to the church.

Related:

Placebo By Howard Pittman – Part 1 of 12

George Whitefield: Doctrine

Once-saved-always-saved does not promote holiness or lead to God.

Nor does the old covenant law of tithing.

Now, we’re supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit.

Then we can become ‘ONE’ — walking in our graces — together!

The glory of Christ will fill us, and then the world will know – John 17 realized!

– jeff

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“It is an undoubted truth that every doctrine that comes from God leads to God;
and that which doth not tend to promote holiness is not of God.”

 – George Whitefield

[video] Psychologists Explain 911 Denial: Fear, Pride, Exceptionalism… (Why aren’t most people willing to even look at what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven — the most important issue?!)

We’re losing our country
and most are losing their salvation:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way |
Who are the Children of God?

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGbEJ3pXwWM]Psychologists Explain 911 Denial

Uploaded by on Oct 10, 2011

Psychologists Explain 911 Denial

Related:

[video!] POWERFUL 9/11 Documentary on Airs on PBS Across Colorado!!!!!!!

Airline Captain Philip Marshall with John B. Wells on ‘Coast to Coast AM’ 9/8/11: “The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror” — Fasten your seatbelt — the sad truth is that all of the solid evidence points to a dark collaboration between members of the Bush Administration and a covert group of Saudi government officials. The hijackers were trained at a CIA-operated airport in Arizona.

Top architect explains why 9/11 buildings were brought down by controlled demolition and Al Qaeda didn’t have the technology or access to do it. Who did? Two months before the ELEVATOR MODERNIZATION PROJECT, Nick ROCKEFELLER predicted a 9/11-like event to trigger war!

Willful Ignorance: Actively Resisting the Truth and Truth-tellers

From Willful Ignorance through Cognitive Dissonance to “Could I Be Wrong?”

Almost 2 hours with Gerald Celente: “People don’t want to believe that their country is going under. They don’t want to admit that they’ve been had.” “You’re going to start seeing a thinning of the herd. And the people that are going to move forward and make it will be that 20%.”

WordPower: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT

[Willfully ignorant] Dr. Doug Rokke: People won’t acknowledge what the US has really done because the foundation for everything they’ve believed and what they’ve trusted literally collapses…

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it WAS PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Julie Meyer’s Dream: The FEAR OF THE LORD is coming ‘into’ His House — I was reminded of Exodus 20:20: “…that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.” | With great anticipation I began MY JOURNEY. … Not every one was allowed to walk up this Great Mountain. Only those with clean hands and a pure heart. … There are NO SHORT CUTS and there are NO OTHER PATHS. … Finally as we ascended to the very top…

From: xpmedia.com

A DREAM – THE FEAR OF THE LORD

Julie Meyer – August 2010

I had a dream. I had just parked my car at the International House Of Prayer parking lot and I was headed inside.  As I stepped out of the car to my amazement, I saw a large angel standing on top of the roof. He looked to be about 30 feet tall.  This angel stood on the corner of the building with a sword in His hand, pointing directly to the north. He did not move, but only pointed, resolute as a statue.  The Sword was shimmering.  It was brilliant and shinning. …

I found myself looking back and forth between the Angel pointing at the sky in the North and then looking at this Giant Sun full of the most vibrant colors. As I turned again and began to study the Angel holding this glimmering Sword I saw carved across the sword were five words in bold, black letters: The Fear of the Lord. This angel held his sword so assertively. He did not shy away from those words. He was bolstered by what they meant. If anything was true, the angel knew who God was.

In an instant I knew that the Fear of the Lord was coming ‘into’ His House.  The Awe of God was arising in a new Way throughout the earth and in His Body.

At that moment I was reminded of Exodus 20:20: “. . . that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.” Deep within my heart I heard the Holy Spirit say, The fear of the Lord is coming. The awe of the God of Israel is arising in the midst of the prayer movement. It is arising in the midst of My House.

All this happened even before I was inside the building. So when I walked through the front door of the prayer room, I was surprised to come face to face with a mountain that was veiled by dense fog.

Not every one was allowed to walk up this Great Mountain. Only those with clean hands and a pure heart. Everyone not allowed to ascend stood and looked up at the great, hidden mountain, wondering what was beyond the haze.

With great anticipation I began my journey. In silence myself and others ascended high into the cloud of gray, heavy vapor, unsure of what we would find or where we would stop. I and those walking with me could only see the next single step in front of us. In the cool gray breeze, I soon lost the sense that anyone else was with me.

As I approached nearer the top of this mountain, I realized I was literally walking ‘up’ the mountain of the Lord.  I was ‘in’ Ps 24.  I was ascending up and up and up.  I had to set my heart for the journey.  It was not easy but I could not stop walking up and up and up.  I was walking on a narrow path and I thought of Matt 7 –Strive to stay on the narrow path’.  It was a path well trodden and I pondered the Patriarchs of old who had walked them same path.

I had some baggage with me that I was carrying, but I realized I would never make it to the top of the mountain if I kept it with me.  So I took it off and laid it down.  I saw many people around me not want to take off their baggage, they wanted to keep it and they were not able to ascend up.  They stopped and started walking back down the mountain.

I came upon an old man with a ‘rod’ in his right hand.  He had a long white beard and long, wild, white hair past his shoulders. I noticed his face was set to go up.  He was not looking to the left of the right; His face was ‘set’.  He was not turning around or even grumbling about the steepness of the path.  I saw people in front of him begin to look for short cuts or different paths and they would get off of the path headed up trying to find an easier way.  This old man said ‘There are no short cuts and there are no other paths.  There is only one way and it is this path.  If you stay on it, it will lead you straight to the top.’  As he spoke; his words seemed to penetrate to the very core of my heart and I kept telling myself, ‘stay on the path, there are no short cuts, keep walking, keep walking.’   I happen to see a road sign and written on the sign were these words ‘The Pathway Of Humility’.  At that exact moment I realized I was literally walking this path with Moses. It was like in an instant my eyes were open to see the humility, the diligence, and the zeal of this man that seemed to give him great authority and presence.  He continued up the mountain saying those words over and over ‘There are no short cuts and there are no other paths.  There is only one way and it is this path.  If you stay on it, it will lead you straight to the top.”

Finally as we ascended to the very top of this magnificent mountain.  I saw Men and Women standing at the very top and crying out Psalm 24:7, “Lift up your heads, O you gates! And be lifted up, you everlasting doors! And the King of glory shall come in.”I realized ‘this’ is the place of great authority.  This is the place where we have the authority to cry out ‘Lift up your heads, O you gates!”  Many people get this invitation but few make the whole journey.

Entire Article Here

Related:

Fear Of God Has Been Lost In The Church — So MANY WON’T COME INTO FREEDOM — “Oh, so MANY people are GOING to go TO HELL through these churches. These PASTORS WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE” – David Wilkerson

[EXCELLENT video] Francis Chan & Preston Sprinkle: Erasing Hell — “He gets to define what love is, and not us.” “That means my sin is way worse than I could ever even imagine.” | ~”I think this whole concept of ‘how could God do this’ is woven into the fabric of our culture that says ‘how dare my dad tell me what I can and cannot do!’ We’ve lost the idea of authority, and it’s killing our culture.”

Francis Chan and Preston Sprinkle are coauthors of: Erasing Hell: What God said about eternity, and the things we made up, which I have read, and highly recommend; however, I was disappointed with one of their points. When Jesus mentions the worm that never dies and the fire that is never quenched, I do believe the worms and the fire is real, not figurative, which Mary Katherine Baxter experienced. She explains how the fires and utter darkness are fully compatible in that realm. It’s a place we don’t want to go, period!

I listened to the audio book a few times through. Francis wrote the final draft, but Preston narrates the text, which to me, isn’t ideal, since I’m used to hearing Francis express his own thoughts. But as you can see here, Preston is a great guy too!

There is one thing he says though…. Not wanting to go to hell is actually a good motivation for serving God and living a life in love, in Christ. Jesus, Himself used the threat of hell as a motivational warning. For example, on lusting:

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old,  ‘You shall not commit adultery.’  28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Very important topic and discussion!

jeff

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Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

“He gets to define what love is,
and not us.”

“We question things like ‘does a loving God torture those in hell?’ But I have another question. Does a fair God just forgive you for all the stuff that you did? Does a fair God let you escape hell? Does a fair God have His own Son come down and die for your sake? It’s weird how we’ll question ‘God, how could you punish anyone,’ but we never ask the question, ‘God, how could you forgive anyone?'”

“His thoughts are WAY BEYOND mine.”

“There’s just a sense of arrogance when I tell God ‘look,
this is right or this is wrong….'”

And Francis’ excellent statement @ 52:25 ends with:

“… And then when you disobey God, Himself, there are consequences to that. But the way that we teach love [to children – editor] has been: oh, you never punish; you never discipline; you never say ‘no.’ Just let them act out. It’s like: no, that’s not what God does. That’s not love.

So I think this whole concept of ‘how could God do this,’ it’s woven into the fabric of our culture that says ‘how dare my dad tell me what I can and cannot do.’ And we’ve lost the idea of authority all together, and it’s killing our families; it’s killing our churches; it’s killing our culture.”

– Francis Chan

Preston Sprinkle adds:

“When I think of hell, it’s made me kind of think of the enormity of our sin.
If God is at all just, and He says that the punishment for sin is hell,
that means my sin is way worse than I could ever even imagine.”

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[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zluOaMKGA]Francis Chan: Erasing Hell

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Related:

[Q&A] Francis Chan on Rob Bell and Hell: Why ‘ERASING HELL’ was Francis’ most difficult book and how it prompted him to repent for softening Jesus’ warnings — “WE IN AMERICA READ CERTAIN PASSAGES OVER AND OVER TO THE NEGLECT OF OTHERS, we start to believe that Jesus had a friendly tone all the time. … We have tried to block Hell out of our minds. Yet because it’s written about so often in Scripture, I think God does want it on the forefront.”

[10-minute video] Francis Chan: Erasing Hell — “Do you ever even consider the possibility that maybe the Creator’s sense of justice is actually more developed than yours? And that maybe His love and His mercy are perfect, and that you could be the one that is flawed. … We can’t afford to be wrong on this issue.”

All of my Hell is Real — Forever Posts (Most recent listed first)

Meekness is Not Weakness — Jesus got angry at the right things at the right times. Meekness is power under control, part of the fruit of the Spirit.

From: SouthsideBC.org

MEEKNESS IS NOT WEAKNESS
Matthew 5:5

Psalm 37:1-11

Introduction: To many people a meek person has no “backbone”. To them a meek person let’s everybody run over them and stands up for nothing. That IS NOT what Jesus was referring to when he said, “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth”. Jesus was meek, but certainly no pushover. Matthew 11:28-30, 21:5. The word meek means to be “gentle”. According to John McArthur, “Meekness is gentleness and mildness, and a subdued character, but it is not weakness. It is power under control.” A meek person can be very powerful and very much in control. A meek person is capable of anger. Jesus got angry at the right things at the right times.

  • Jesus got angry with hypocrisy.
  • Jesus got angry with dishonest people who bought and sold in the temple (Mat. 21:13).

He did not get angry when:

  • He was betrayed in the garden.
  • He was falsely accused at His trials.
  • He was nailed to the cross.

Instead Jesus prayed for those who persecuted Him (Lk.23:34, Isa.53:7). As you know, Jesus had the power to fight against his enemies. He could have come down off the cross [I disagree, because of Jesus’ Phillipians-2 emptying and empowerment by the Holy Spirit, which I discuss here: A Call to Intimacy: The Holy Spirit in John’s Gospel & Epistles, by Jeff Fenske [D. A. Carson – Johannine Theology, 1993 – editor]. He could have resisted the mistreatment he had received. He had the power, as God, but didn’t use it. That’s power under control. So how do we go about developing meekness in our lives? First, we must realize that meekness is part of the Fruit of the Spirit. As we allow God’s Holy Spirit to control us, we are allowing God to perfect the fruit of meekness (Gal. 5:22-23). It would also be nice if there was a passage of Scripture that would give us an idea of how to develop meekness in our lives. Good news! There is! When the Lord Jesus talks about meekness, He is alluding to Psalm 37:11 “But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace”.

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