I’ve linked to this article for years. It’s time I post it.
Satan knows he can’t get away with adding thousands of words,
so he deleted thousands of very significant ones
through Westcott and Hort.
The NIV, NASB, NRSV and similar are poison!
We’ve been robbed!
Consider how the deletion examples below have profoundly altered
Christian doctrine and therefore the world we live in.
From: biblestudy.org, What are the ERRORS in the King James Version Bible?
The Old Testament has been faithfully preserved by the Jews in what is known as the Masoretic Text. There are few translation problems with the Old Testament.
However, most modern translations, from the Revised Standard Version Bible (RSV) to the New International Version Bible (NIV), use as their source for the New Testament a Greek Text based upon the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus of the fourth century. This text, publicized by Westcott and Hort, is also known as the Alexandrian Text. It originated in Egypt and has been massaged by “higher critics” down through the ages. These manuscripts, used in the RSV, represent less than 5% of known Greek Biblical manuscripts, but are supposedly more authentic because they are “old.”
The bulk of New Testament manuscripts were copied century after century from earlier ones as they wore out. Older copies did not survive because these texts were used until worn out. This text, the so-called “Received Text” [Textus Receptus – editor] or “Byzantine Text” (also termed “Syrian”, “Antioch”, or Koine text) was used in the King James Version. Nearly 4,000 manuscripts of this Byzantine or Official Text agree almost perfectly with each other, and are a far better standard to go by than corrupt copies – no matter how early they were made. Located primarily at Mt. Athos in Greece, copies of the official Greek Text give us a very reliable record of the New Testament scriptures.
Recently, I posted:
Pastor Chuck Baldwin: A Nation of Truth Rejectors — “Churches are filled with bitterness, carnality, envy, deceit, duplicity, false accusation, greed, and cowardice due to a lack of truth. … Many of those today that are resisting and disabling truth call themselves Christians. … In reality, people who reject truth lose a whole lot more than whatever they had hoped to gain. Eventually, they lose, not only their own lives, but also the life of their country.”
In his article, Chuck stated and somewhat interpreted this 2 Thess. text:
There is a passage of Scripture that I simply must interject here: “Because they received not the love of the truth . . . God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” (II Thess. 2:10,11 KJV)
This is one of God’s universal principles: when people deliberately reject truth, God will allow them to believe lies, which always leads to ultimate destruction. I submit that is exactly where America is today. As a nation, we have rejected truth, and God is giving us over to deceit and falsehood. And what is interesting to me is the way in which many unbelievers seem to have a thirst for truth that far surpasses that of many professing Christians.
The uninterupted text states this [as a Baptist, I think Chuck Baldwin is once-saved-always-saved, which is perhaps why he ellipsed certain words that mentioned salvation]:
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. 16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work. (NKJV)
Note that most ‘Christians,’ right now are having pleasure in unrighteousness. So this is referring to most ‘Christians.’
I do believe that God can actively harden someones heart that is already hard, which seems to be what happened with Pharoah, when he was trying to decide if he would let the people go.
I think what is mostly going on is that God restrains the evil spirits as to how much they are allowed to affect people directly. Earlier in this same chapter, Paul wrote
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. 5 Don’t you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? 6 Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; (WEB)
When we let the sun go down while still angry we give the Devil a place (Eph. 4), a right to reinforce this anger, probably often so it festers as hate. And only when we repent fully of this sin, like forgiving from our hearts, can we get free.
Or if we willfully lust, we open the door so lust demons can then drive the lust so this sin is much harder to break if. The demons help lust become an addiction.
So if we are completely lust free, then lust demons have no right to enter. God allows them to enter; otherwise, He restrains them to not be able to enter at all.
But as soon as we willfully lust, consciously decide “I’m going to look,” or whatever, then the demons have a right to enter and drive the lust so it’s hard not to lust. Whereas before it was much easier to not lust, to be free. I describe this process here: [Lust FREEDOM — “The Poison that Kills the Soul”] My experience: Homosexuality, heterosexuality & demonic oppression in Christians — The bad news is that demons drive lust. The good news is that demons drive lust, because…
For some reason, God decided to let the tormentors torture us in various ways when we willfully sin (including not fully forgiving, ie: Mt. 18). This can include making willful sins harder to stop.
But remember, He is waiting at the other side with arms wide open ready to empower us to overcome, when we make the cold-turkey-to-sin decision, to be free!
The Great News
What we can say for sure is that God totally restrains all demons from affecting us directly when we are living with no willful sin — including forgiving everyone from the heart. Unfortunately, almost no one is totally free from demons. But when ONE happens it will probably be fairly easy.
The “what should send us scurrying into holiness” news is that we need to realize that we are in a battle with wicked spirits who are at the ready to infest and drive our sins once we choose to commit them.
So we need to be extremely vigilant to submit to God and resist the Devil. Draw near to God and He will draw near to us (James 4). And then we can be free.
This is life or death. We are in a battle for our souls, and most are currently losing, giving demons a place, a right to control, and drive sins.
Our Great Incentive!
Knowing that we are in an active battle with invisible and totally yukky, disgusting spirits is our great incentive!
I talk a lot about who goes to heaven, which is probably rightfully the GREATEST INCENTIVE. But if we win this battle we’ll automatically go to heaven.
We must be demon free. We must obey. And when we all do our parts it will be so much easier, because the body of Christ, us believers will be strong. And the more holy we get the more His glory can come.
And then we have His tangibly felt comfort that many of us who have felt it want as fully as we can get it.
“Draw near to god and He’ll draw near to you.” This is a guaranteed principle.
Are we willing to shut all doors Randy Stonehill: “Shut De Do, Keep Out De Devil” so no demons will be able to torment us ever again?
I often mention The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit? Opening up the door just a little bit allows this flood of yuck to come in like a flood, and then it’s really hard to get the gate closed again. And most ‘Christians’ are just leaving it open.
And this is how the ‘Christians’ (who were supposed to hold the sin back) opened the flood of sin and demons into our land, destroying it.
But we can shut the gate completely. When we realize what is going on, how lust demons work, how hatred demons work. Then we know that it’s not just our flesh we’re dealing with. It takes 100% cold turkey to be free. And we can do that.
And praying in tongues helps so much. Don’t let anti-Spirit people talk you out of using your #1 demon busting gift, the ability to pray perfectly with pinpoint accuracy — and we don’t even have to visualize the target — we wouldn’t want to.
I’ve had just a few visions of demons. A couple were really nasty. I’m glad that I don’t have to regularly see demons to be able to fight them by praying in the Spirit.
And when we are all operating in our unique gifts, given power and wisdom directly from the Holy Spirit, it will be so much easier to always overcome.
Are you willing to step up and determine to do whatever it takes to win your battles? We can help each other, and then when God comes in His comforting glory we will all be so happy!
Power to the peaceful — the pure in heart. They shall see God. And in God there is fullness of joy. God won’t let us be tempted above which we are able to endure. His comfort will comfort us when the sufferings of Christ flow into our lives (2 Cor. 1).
Let us engage our fights with more vigor and determination to always be totally free, to always walk in love, forgiving everyone from our hearts.
Our enemies are all demon driven. If we can understand that, to love the people always, realizing they don’t fully know what they’re doing because the enemy is so pervasive — and so invisible.
“Father, forgive them, for they no not what they do.”
May that be our prayer.
May we love everyone, forgiving all from our whole hearts.
God bless!
Jeff : )
Related:
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So the assemblies throughout all
Judea and Galilee and Samaria
had peace,
and were built up.
They were multiplied,
walking in the fear of the Lord
and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit.
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What is the key ingredient that we’re missing so ONE was happening in “the assemblies throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria?”
They were “walking in the fear of the Lord” — the missing ingredient in today’s ‘church.’
Therefore, because they were walking in the fear of the Lord they had peace, were built up, were multiplied, walking in the comfort of the Holy Spirit (John 14-16, 2 Cor. 1).
“The fear of the Lord” is the beginning of wisdom.
We don’t even have the beginning of wisdom, so ONE can’t happen, Jesus’ prayer for all believers in John 17.
So please, let us embrace the Word of God, what it really says: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
And let’s be ONE, having peace, being built up and multiplied, walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit.
Jeff : )
I’m surprised that pastors aren’t warning the people to not take their clothes off in front of the TSA, for the naked body scanners are a virtual strip search. For the Bible couldn’t be any more clear.
And besides that, there are the health risks. And the threat of terrorism has been mostly manufactured, including 9/11. Here is just one article from the many listed in the links, below:
The real purpose of the naked body scanners is to dehumanize and break the will of the people in order to bring us into a police state, just like in Nazi Germany, where most pastors also did not take a stand: Breaking The Will Of The People: The Real Purpose Of Body Scanners.
Benjamin Franklin said “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”
Congressman Ron Paul said: “If we tolerate this there’s something wrong with us” ~”SHOWING OUR PAPERS, we’ve capitulated on that a long time ago, because we show our social security number, but NOW THEY WANT US TO SHOW OUR GENITALIA!”
And what matters most is what God says. It’s very clear. We shouldn’t be wondering — if only the pastors would speak out — or step down.
It’s time to take a stand. When flying, it seems to me that if they continue to only offer the naked body scan or the enhanced full-body patdown, the Godly thing is to go for the patdown from a same-sex TSA and if a woman especially, in the optional private room.
I refused the naked body scanner in Fresno, recently. The TSA said: take everything out of your pockets. I asked, “why,” because we only removed metal objects before. She said, “you’re going to go through the full body scanner.” I said, “I’m not going through the full body scanner.” She made sure, and then said (but didn’t yell, like some are saying happens): “We have an opt out.”
I chose the enhanced pat-down, declining the private room option, and that was no big deal for me. But if I was female, for sure I’d go in the ‘private’ room.
During that whole time in the TSA area, I was the only one who opted out. That was the biggest shock to me — which is one reason I’m writing this.
From: gotquestions.org…
Question: … What does the Bible say about nudity?”
Answer: There is nothing essentially sinful about nudity (Genesis 2:25). Adam and Eve did not realize they were naked until after the Fall (Genesis 3:7-11). Before the Fall, they were naked, and it was good (Genesis 1:31). Sin is what caused nakedness to become a problem. Sin introduced lust, immorality, and perversion into the human race. As a result, we can no longer look at a nude person of the opposite sex in a pure manner. God made clothing for Adam and Eve to resolve this problem (Genesis 3:21). If God approved of nakedness, He would have simply told them that being naked was okay, and they did not need to feel embarrassed or ashamed. The fact that God clothed Adam and Eve indicates that God expects us to be clothed.
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From: learnthebible.org…
Several actions concerning nakedness (outside marriage where the bed is undefiled – Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
See All…) are condemned in the Bible:
One important point I need to make concerns the biblical definition of nakedness. We sometimes get the idea that nakedness refers only to having no clothing at all. However, this is neither true in the Bible nor in the English dictionary. One of the definitions for “naked” in my English dictionary is “without conventional or usual clothing.” Many people do not know that the Bible often calls improper covering of the body nakedness. Most often it refers to the wearing of undergarments in public. This explains the nakedness of Saul (1 Samuel 19:24 And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?
See All…), of David (2 Samuel 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
See All…, 20; 1 Chronicles 15:27 And David was clothed with a robe of fine linen, and all the Levites that bare the ark, and the singers, and Chenaniah the master of the song with the singers: David also had upon him an ephod of linen.
See All…), of Isaiah (Isaiah 20:2-4 [2] At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. [3] And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia; [4] So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
See All…), and of Peter (John 21:7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher’s coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.
See All…). It is interesting that Peter did not want Jesus to see him naked.
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From my essay:
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy
Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount teaching is so crystal clear. Lust is adultery and a damming sin!
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’ but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna. If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna. (Matthew 5:27-30)
Likewise, Paul was clear in his teaching toward Christian women:
I will therefore that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. (1 Timothy 2:8-10)
One author interprets shamefacedness this way:
The word shamefacedness comes from a Greek word which means literally “downcast eyes,” but it is meant in a good sense and refers to one who is ashamed to overstep the limit of womanly reserve.
In my Let Us Be One prophecy, God said it this way in the chapter I call Jesus’ Dress Code:
My people, live as one, not judging one another, being critical of how they dress, one more popular than another. We are all different. Everyone is unique. Give people space, as long as it’s holy. You need to have righteousness girded about your loins. Hide yourself. They don’t need to see everything. That is for your husband, only him. Be careful; this is right.
God designed women to be very attractive to men. And there are certain things that only the woman’s husband should see—no matter what the Devil through society is telling us.
Freedom in Christ is in part freedom from actual lust demons that drive probably the majority of Americans [including TSAs!] to not be free in the lust area. Not giving the demons a place at all is the only way to be lust-demon free.
We need to “be careful. This is right.”
Related:
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy
Americans Are Just As Likely to Get Struck By Lightning Than Killed By Terrorists — So why are why are pastors saying nothing as the people line up to get strip searched?
Muslims lead the religious protest of the “virtual strip search” naked body scanners. Where are the “Christian” pastors?
A Nation ‘Bewitched’: Farrah Fawcett — “When the show [Charlie’s Angels] got to be No. 3, I figured it was our acting. When it got to be No. 1, I decided it could only be because none of us wears a bra”
1942 Minnesota: Bathing beaches prior to the low-cut top epidemic
All of my Lust Freedom! posts
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
Radiation scientists agree TSA naked body scanners could cause breast cancer and sperm mutations
PROBLEM > REACTION > SOLUTION: FBI manufactures terrorism to cause fear so public will accept the naked body scanner police state
Paul Craig Roberts: TSA is a far greater threat to Americans than are terrorists. There has not been a successful terrorist act since 9/11, and thousands of independent experts doubt the government’s explanation of that event. The very fact that the FBI has to orchestrate fake terrorism proves the absence of real terrorists. If Americans were more thoughtful and less gullible…
IMPORTANT! Alex Jones: Another Clueless Patsy Set-up by FBI in Christmas Tree Bombing Plot — “…so they can sit up there on the news and say: ‘We’ve got terrorists everywhere. We’ve gotta have naked body scanners!’”
Naked body scanners: You can see the bones in people’s fingers. They’ve been giving the public de-rezzed images.
More Proof! Photo: Naked Body Scanners Really Can Show Naked Bodies — and Even Bones!
Photo/Video: Naked Body Scanners Really Do Show Naked Bodies
Benjamin Franklin on naked body scanners: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”
Transportation Security Administration is misleading the public (lying). Body scanners can store, send images, group says.
Airport Worker Caught Ogling Image of Woman on Naked Body Scanner — called “perv scanner” in Europe
Pornographic Scanners: The TSA has been trying to turn airports into peep-shows courtesy of these strip-machines since 2002. Then along comes Umar Farouk Abdullmutallab and his burning britches, and bingo …
Exposed — Naked Body Scanner Images Of Film Star Printed, Circulated By Airport Staff
Aussie TSA on ‘naked’ full-body scanners: “It will show the private parts of people, but what we’ve decided is that we’re not going to blur those out, because it severely limits the detection capabilities.”
It’s Official: A Majority Of Americans Would Give Up Liberty In Order To Be Safe From Terrorism. Almost 4 out of 5 Americans are perfectly fine with letting airport security officials gawk at their naked bodies just so they can feel a bit safer from terrorists.
Breaking The Will Of The People: The Real Purpose Of Body Scanners
FBI LIED 5 TIMES about the underwear bomber. Full-body scanners were scheduled to be installed in hundreds of US airports BEFORE incident! PROBLEM > REACTION > SOLUTION. But body scanners wouldn’t have stopped incident anyway?
UPDATE 7/21: I was just asked to explain the difference between lust and the natural desire for a mate. Clearly, God has given us a natural attraction for the opposite sex, but God prohibits us from thinking lustful, sexual thoughts about anyone who we’re not married to. If we do, this opens the door for demons to then drive lust, which then becomes an addiction. Constantly thinking about lust is not normal, and is a clear indication that lust demons are now driving the desires, and this includes when sleeping. If we’re lusting in our dreams it’s lust demon driven, despite what secular psychologists claim. We can be FREE 24/7! “Submit to God, resist the Devil and he’ll FLEE!”
By Jeff Fenske
I saw this testimony from Henry Makow’s site showing how demons and homosexuality came hand in hand: Homosexuality & Demonic Possession. This encouraged me to share….
From my many experiences in dealing with demons, having now been a Christian for 35 years, my educated guess is that if there is homosexuality there are demons probably 100% of the time. And the same goes for heterosexuality outside of the marriage covenant.
These are lust demons.
The bad news is that almost everyone we know have lust demons of one type or another in them, because most don’t make sure they live holy enough to get and stay free. The good news is that once born-again, Holy Spirit indwelt Christians determine to get and stay free the demons have no right to stay and it’s easy to be free: “Submit to God; resist the Devil and he will flee” (James 4 — the overcoming-partysville chapter).
When I say it’s “easy” though, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s easy overall.
It’s easy and even automatic to stay free once we have committed 100% to keep our thoughts pure and not do what we know we shouldn’t. It takes total cold-turkey. If we give the devil a place he (or the demons) will enter, often instantly. And once they’re in, which is I think the condition of most modern Americans Christian or not, then the person is lust-demon driven. Many don’t even know what it even feels like to be free. But once a person is free and then willfully lusts (commits adultery in his/her heart – Mt. 5), then I would think any spiritually aware person would notice the great difference. All of a sudden it’s hard not to lust, for example, whereas before it was easy to not think those thoughts at all.
Sadly, there have been churches that teach that demons can’t be in Christians even though the Bible, the Holy Spirit (Whom Jesus said will lead us into all truth) and experience definitely teach otherwise. The result is truly born-again Christians how to break sin problems. And many ‘Christians,’ unware have hate and anger demons in them, pride demons, etc.. And if they think they can’t be influenced by demons directly the demons have their way because the ‘Christian’ is unaware of their schemes because of bad doctrine.
And it’s often in the heart where the demons hide and do their thing. Jesus said in Matthew 5:
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’ 28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna. 30 If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna.
David said: “Create in me a clean heart, Oh God, and renew a right spirit within me.”
The heart is the seat of the emotions. It’s the deepest source of good or evil.
We’re to love God with all of our heart — the Greatest Commandment.
Jesus said in Matthew 18 we’re to from our heart forgive our brothers, otherwise the tormentors have a right (a place – Eph. 4) to torment us. This is God’s way of encouraging us to learn how to totally forgive and walk in love. “Perfect love casts out fear” (1 John 4). Less than perfect love doesn’t.
1 John 5 says how we are to keep ourselves free from the evil one by not sinning in the ways that give demons a place: “We know that whoever is born of God doesn’t sin, but he who was born of God keeps himself, and the evil one doesn’t touch him.”
Paul said in Galatians 5 that going-to-heaven Christians have crucified their flesh. Whether today’s pastors teach this or not, this is what the Bible teaches, which I explain more fully in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? This fits with 1 John 5.
I’ve shared this VISION on this site before. I could see myself from a few feet away, and there was a spirit over my right shoulder. I could tell that I had been lust free, but when I willfully lusted (in my thinking only) the demon, seemingly with great glee went something like “A hah!” with a big smile, and went right into my body. Apparently, they greatly enjoy driving humans sins, pushing the gas pedal to the metal, if they can.
And that’s how easy it is to be imprisoned by lust demons — the demons that drive lust, because we give them a right when we willfully sin. And seeing a UFO (for us guys — an Unclad Female Object) isn’t sinning. It’s sinning when we willfully keep looking, when we don’t look away, willfully thinking things we know we shouldn’t, giving ourselves over to the dark side in this lust area, actually.
I’ve only felt a homosexual spirit once, but the process is similar. I don’t remember if I was totally lust free at the time (This was at least 20 years ago), but I remember part of this clear as day. Probably not, because otherwise I don’t think I would have felt any kind of lust spirit.
Have you ever been a few feet away from a person of the opposite sex and have felt a sexual attraction, a pulling even though you may have not even really looked at the person at all? I think we’ll only feel these lust spirits if we’re not totally, 100% lust free. For example, I was sitting in a college class more than 20 years ago, not even thinking about the woman sitting next to me, but I felt this lust spirit. I found out later she was an actual prostitute. But my guess is that I probably wouldn’t even have felt the lust spirit(s) if I was totally lust free at the time.
Many people give into these spirits and do things they shouldn’t, instead of recognizing what they are and totally getting and staying free. Most sex is lust, not love driven. We must keep our hearts clean to be free!
Continuing my once-in-a-lifetime homosexual-lust demon experience, I was sitting in a small room with the guys I was working with, and all of a sudden I felt this strong lust spirit. And the only people around me were guys. I didn’t try to figure out which guy it was. I just got out of there and I think prayed in tongues (perhaps the best way to deal directly with the demonic), and I never felt a homosexual lust spirit again.
But if I wasn’t that aware or that dedicated, who knows where that could have led? And many times this happens with children, who really don’t understand at all why they’re feeling like they are.
We need to be really, really non-judgmental and totally accepting of homosexuals. They, perhaps you are in a demonically driven lust trap. This is what happens when people worship the creation instead of worship the Creator. And I think Romans 1 applies to heterosexual lust too. Many reverse-Christians bash homosexuals with Romans 1 when they’re not heterosexual-lust free themselves. Here is God’s view of homosexuals, from my Let Us Be ONE prophesy, part 17 of 33:
The homosexuals will arise. They have been hurt so badly in their heart. They are not the enemy. They are full of hurt, and are looking for a way out. You can help if you don’t judge. Don’t criticize; show them the way through your smile. They are not worse than you, just unforgiven. They have a long way to go, but are not weird, as some would say. Do not mock. Lift them up. Give them space to watch.
Pray with them when you get a chance, but until then be slow. Their hearts are brittle, hardened by sin that has often been done unto them, not of their own accord. Have grace and Mercy, not judgment, or pain will come to you both, and alienation from the things of God, the life I can give.
It can happen. Love can start with you. It just takes one. Find it and run, run with arms outstretched, praying as you go, praying in tongues a lot. Don’t hold back. This is a precious gift. Use it now; it is for you to be free, to be built up in the might of My Spirit. Pray often, and do not faint. Do not let the world take control. I have overcome the world. You will too, if you walk in My steps, living a life of love.
‘Christians’ have elevated homosexuality way above heterosexual lust sinning, and I don’t see this in the Bible. All willful lusters are in danger of going to hell. See Paul’s who-won’t-inherit-the-kingdom list in Galatians 5, written in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
Guys, stop judging homosexuals. Instead, we need to “show them the way through our smile,” God says.
Heterosexual or homosexual lust freedom is not that hard IF we go cold turkey, 100% “I won’t go there at all, period!”
Lust freedom is only a hair’s breadth away. And we can help each other be free forever.
Lust freedom is a key way for revival to happen, which I believe will be the Third Great Awakening, when we are ONE with each other in Christ. “Then the world will know.”
The bad news is that demons drive lust. Demons are yukky, and who wants to be inhabited by an evil spirit, which I believe most ‘Christians’ are, let alone non-Christians.
The good news is that demons drive lust, because many people think they can never become lust free. They don’t understand that there is a creature driving their lust. Once we realize how lust works it’s easy to be free IF we go cold turkey, 100% “I won’t go there at all, period!”
And pray in tongues, you all. The Devil hates it when we use this gift. But praying in tongues deals with demons. God gives us precisely targeted prayer language to do the job without us having to see specifically the demons in order to drive them out in some other yukky way. Praying in tongues rocks!
You don’t have to pray in tongues. It’s possible to get free without using this gift of the Holy Spirit. But why wouldn’t you when it’s so effective and God tells us to?
“Submit to God (100% ‘I won’t give lust demons a place’); resist the Devil (pray in tongues) and he will flee!”
And you will be free.
And we will be ONE with each other when we crucify the flesh (Gal. 5) so demons cannot have a place (Eph. 4).
Power to the peaceful!
We need to NEVER EVER put condemnation trips on homosexuals. Please! Many homosexuals are a heartbeat away from really rocking in God!
I’m doing my best to show them the way through my smile. Praise God for the Holy Spirit and prophesy that helps show us the way! Not many people so far have read and have been changed by my Let Us Be ONE prophesy, but I have.
We shouldn’t hold a person’s sin-history against anyone, period. We can all break free from these lust demons so homosexuals are no longer homosexuals. Heterosexual lusters will no longer be hetero-lusters. Alcoholics will no longer alcoholics (it’s probably demon driven too).
Let’s be ONE — okay?
Jeff Fenske
Related:
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT” — Includes my dream of being in danger of going to hell just for lusting while watching TV
2014 Pornography Survey of ‘Christian’ Men: MAJORITY not only lusting, but into porn!!
Bikini Facts: The bikini was introduced by inspiration of Satan. When the bikini was first invented…
[ video ] Jessica Rey: The Evolution of the Swimsuit — Can Modesty Make a Comeback?
[Lust Freedom!] As Cautiously as Folding Our Own Parachute — “We ought to think out each step with the same kind of rationale and determination that a man uses when he folds his own parachute. Small, careful decisions can save his life. 5 minutes of pleasure earned Esau the loss of a lifetime of blessing and the enmity of God. Is it worth it?”
Lust: Another Name For Adultery – Dan Corner
I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues. A reader thankfully put me over the edge : ) I need to re-write this someday so it’s not written mostly in a comment. But it’s all there.
Can a Christian Have a Demon? Absolutely! Most Have Many!
A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)
Let Us Be ONE, Part 13 of 33
A Gift that Will Set Many Free!
There is another day, a day that will happen if you let it.
I want you to be free, free from anxiety. A death warrant is out for your souls. It will get you if you let it. You must pray.
Many die from unknown causes. They are weak from attacks from the Devil who never gives up—curse after curse—toward My people. Many have given in, unable to walk.
Tongues, I’ve given you the gift of tongues from My heart to you. It is a gift that will set many free if you use it regularly. It is for you to walk holy, set free in forgiveness while you pray.
The two work together. One attacks the Devil, while you release those who have hurt you deeply, wounded your soul.
Pray for them. You can focus; you don’t have to pray in general all the time. I will give you the gift of life as you pray.
This is how it works. Believe in your heart you are praying for one another; though, it will come from the Holy Ghost, the words you emit that I give you to speak. Focus on these people, and pray until your tongues cease. I will tell you who to pray for, but this isn’t necessary. You can pray for anyone that way.
Believe in your heart; direct your tongues. I will fill your mouth as you speak and set people free. I will pray perfectly, as you obey, giving your life to others through prayer.
Amazing things will result! Your heart will be glad!
Watch Me do it. Prove My point. Try it now. Focus on someone who needs prayer. Believe in your heart you are praying for them as you speak words from above that fill your mouth. Pray it out, and watch them change, for I will release them from anger and all kinds of oppressions as you pray. You will see it, and it will amaze your intelligence. Many will be set free. Do it now. This is an important point.
And as you pray, forgive, release them from all kinds of cares and bondages. The two work hand in hand. You forgive and I pray through your words that I give you.
This is freedom! Set them free. Do it now; why wait when you can have the chance to move mountains, have an impact on society that many will see and feel. Your heart will be glad. Many will walk holy.
Pray for your elders. Many are not in the ministry to give life. Many are sucking you dry. They need to give up the ghost of unforgiveness and get on the bandwagon of love.
The seal of approval, you all want it. You can have it now. Why wait? You can be in Me as we speak. You can know for sure that you are sons of God, that I am in you and you are in Me. You will feel it. Your heart will be glad, and you will pray.
I will take you to heights unknown. Miracles will take place all around you as you obey. Many will be glad that you took the step of faith to lead. When all looked hopeless, you got up from your seat and prayed.
Pray. Let your heart be glad, and don’t give up. Pray until your tongues stop. This is an amazing gift that has much power to change.
Anyone can pray in tongues. It is a gift for all who obey, all who call on Me for Mercy.
Drink deeply, and let it give you life, freeing you, while you relax and find peace in a home here on earth.
We are together. Let us pray.
I have a category called heart, soul, mind, gut? Notice all of the references to the heart in the above prophecy and in the Bible itself. “The heart is more than a pump.”
What does God say? Women, children and men exposing themselves to TSAs in NAKED BODY SCANNERS!
1942 Minnesota: Bathing beaches prior to the low-cut top epidemic
Amazing Dress: India Arie singing with Carlos Santana on The Tonight Show. This is grace!
All of my Lust Freedom! posts [latest appear first, 10 posts per page]
(Mark 16:17)
From: www.sidroth.org/site/DocServer/IS580Transcript_DuVall.pdf?docID=3121
When I received my supernatural language I didn’t feel anything. I didn’t hear anything. Just by faith I started speaking. The man told me to do it, I believed that he knew what he was talking about, so therefore, I could do it. I was like a child. I had like childlike faith. If they had said you could sing, you could walk on water, I would have walked on water. But then immediately after I started speaking my language the thought popped in my head, you’re making that up. And so I was kind of, James calls it, I was kind of double-minded as far as my supernatural language.
And at that time an orthodox Jewish rabbi became a believer in Jesus. And I was talking with him and a woman came up that was expecting a baby, and the doctor had said the baby was dead within her. And she walked up to me, and I’m a brand new believer, and she said, “Pray for my baby to come to life.” Now I didn’t know anything. That was a little too much for me. And so when I prayed for the baby to come back to life all I could think of doing was praying in my supernatural language, and I did it. And after she left, the rabbi said to me, “You were speaking in an ancient form of Hebrew. Where did you learn it?” I said, “Rabbi, I know Bar Mitzvah Hebrew. I know how to read it. I don’t speak too many words.” This rabbi said to me, “Sid, you prophesied that the child was with the God the Father and be at peace.” And I, Janie, I never doubted again.
The evangelicals almost 100% support for what have proven to be immoral wars is totally reverse-Christian.
We really need to get right in our hearts in this issue for real Christianity to happen among us — to be safe in God — to have the world’s respect — and so God will be glorified through His people who are finally respectable.
“Then the world will know,” Jesus said in John 17 — when we become one with each other in Himself!
I will say that I don’t totally agree with Bercot on pacifism though. We need to be led by what we know in our heart is right — keeping step with the Holy Spirit. And angry/unforgiving people (most American ‘Christians’?) are going to have a hard time hearing from God in this area. I do believe there is a place to defend people and even countries, but we’ll know it’s right when if this time would come.
Most wars are not just wars, especially Bush War I and Bush War II. Did Afghanistan or Iraq attack us? And what ever happened to forgiving, instead of revenge? Maybe if Christians would forgive the Muslims they’d be more interested in researching what really happened on 9/11. Jet fuel cannot take down steel buildings. The proof is at my other main site, ToBeFree. The ‘church’ has been had, duped, so that they’re complicit in these huge attrocities! And now they’re even going through the naked body scanners?!!
We need to really re-assess this important subject, especially since Sarah Palin, John Hagee, and others are insisting we nuke Iran without even knowing for sure Iran has nukes! And they totally ignore our long, dark history in manipulating Iran’s government covertly. To many evangelicals, humbling ourselves, apology and discussion isn’t even an option. We solve everything through power-over: WAR verses What Would Jesus Do? and what would the Holy Spirit have us do?
And Sarah and John don’t even call Israel to apologize for their pride and arrogance in their numerous and egregious inhumane atrocities, partly from their lack of willingness to forgive too.
Now we are our own gods. We do our own thing. “We don’t need the Holy Spirit to lead us for we have the Bible” — and we have nukes!
I saw a John Hagee conference in which many famous evangelical leaders and I think even some politicians attended. The singers sang “Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit,” while John led this “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” rally.
Hagee might as well be singing: “I did it MY WAY.” Strikers are disqualified from being church leaders according to Paul’s overseer qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus, by the way.
And soon it may be “bomb, bomb, bomb America.” God won’t save a people who reject His leadership.
What goes around comes around. We reap what we sow.
Maybe Israel deserves getting bombed, for what they’ve done so hatefully to others. And maybe we do too for our unrepentant covert and overt operations/manipulations in God’s name over many decades! Ever thought of that? If we get nuked or EMP’d, who is to blame? We certainly don’t deserve God’s protection at this point. Does Israel?
It was God’s will that Assyria and Babylon conquered Israel and took them into captivity because they had stubbornly ignored His leading. Consider this, part 6 of my “Let Us Be ONE” prophesy: “I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away.”
10/3/01
There is fear in My people—a fear that is great. You need not dismay, for I am with you. I am in everything you do, non-stop. I never cease.
Feel My hurt, imagine the pain, when you go your own way. I am in you, waiting. Let’s be one. Let’s do it.
There is another thing: a disaster has struck. People have been hurt, suicide bombings attacking towers. Why?
Do you not know that I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away?
We are one; we need not be far away. There is a way that seems right to a man. Disaster will result unless we forgive.
See the fallen; see them rise up and be refreshed as you give them a kiss, a holy kiss from above, pulling them up, giving them aid when they are down.
Let Me be in control; let Me lead your life. Do not be full of error, wondering this or that, going to and fro, not sure of which direction, being unable to forgive. Forgiveness is the key to repentance.
I forgave. I hung there and gave My life so you can have freedom. I hurt so you can walk in humility and be refreshed. You must take it and run, the precious gift of forgiveness, but not just for yourself, for others.
Forgive and be free.
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.” So where does that leave the warmongers? What is the opposite of blessing for the warmongers? And whose children are they — those who won’t repent for supporting the Illuminati Bush wars that are actually taking out countries who would oppose Satan’s one-world government? See: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
We need to wash our hands and be clean. It’s probably too late to save America, but at least we can save ourselves from hellfire for wishing evil on people who didn’t even do anything to us.
We need to be way more careful. Today’s ‘Christianity’ is far different from real Christianity. Warmongering is a stench in God’s eyes and others.
What does the Bible really say?
What is the Holy Spirit saying? Hardly anyone seems to be hearing God anymore. What’s up with that?
And what does early Christian history say?
Jeff
Freedom Fighter
Related:
Sarah Palin demonstrates why most evangelicals dissed Ron Paul, who wanted to bring the troops home. ‘Christians’ have two sets of books: one for US and one for THEM (“who don’t deserve rights”). THEY’re not our ‘neighbor’ whom Jesus commanded US to love as much as ourselves. Maybe that’s why most evangelicals refuse to investigate 9/11. If THEY didn’t take down the towers…???
The Boot-Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!!
Boot camp kills the conscience so soldiers can do evil without being convicted in their hearts
Lose your empathy, and you’ve lost your soul: “Republicans still support Bush’s torture and murder of about two million innocents, and Democrats overlook Obama’s expanded war and torture.” “Once a combat soldier kills a defenseless non-combatant…”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
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Martin Luther’s Subordinate Bible Books: Hebrews, James, Jude & Revelation
I transcribed this years ago from: Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther, by Roland H. Bainton, 1978, p. 259-261.
Luther read the New Testament in light of the Pauline message that the just shall live by faith and not by works of the law. That this doctrine is not enunciated through the New Testament with equal emphasis and appears to be denied in the book of James did not escape Luther, and in his preface to the New Testament of 1522 James was stigmatized as “an epistle of straw.” Once Luther remarked that he would give his doctor’s beret to anyone who could reconcile James and Paul. Yet he did not venture to reject James from the canon of Scripture [not true – editor], and on occasion earned his own beret by effecting a reconciliation. “Faith,” he wrote, “is a living, restless thing. It cannot be inoperative. We are not saved by works: but if there be no works there must be something amiss with faith.” This was simply to put a Pauline construction on James. The conclusion was a hierarchy of values within the New Testament. First Luther would place the Gospel of John, then the Pauline Epistles and First Peter, after them the three other Gospels, and in a subordinate place Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation.
David Pawson on Paul and James: Paul was defending Gentiles from Jewish *works-of-the-law* legalism; James was defending Jews from Gentile license to sin. — When Paul says ‘works’ he means *works of the law,* but James means *actions.* — “Faith without actions cannot save you.” — FAITH + ACTIONS = SAVING FAITH!
Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
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“You might be surprised to know that the tithe,
as it’s taught in churches today,
is not something that anyone has taken from the New Testament
or from the early church.
It actually came into being after Constantine legalized Christianity.”
– David Bercot
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from this disc
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Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
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Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts
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Mark Dice: Christophobics, Jesus Haters, and Zeitgeist’s Claim that “Jesus Never Even Existed”
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Zeitgeist Response – Part 3
IHOP head, Mike Bickle says this (from: IHOP…):
Our last awakening service this year was on Saturday, October 9. Wes Hall shared at Forerunner Christian Fellowship on Sunday, September 19, on how the Lord spoke to us about this. We encourage you to listen to Wes’s message.
“The awakening leadership received a word from the Lord from several people, leading them to the conclusion that it was time to discontinue the awakening services for a season. At that time, the nightly meetings were full of life and full of people, yet Wes Hall, Allen Hood, and the awakening leadership team responded in obedience to the word from the Lord. It is very unusual for leaders to stop such meetings when they are full and successful by every human standard. The fruit from laboring for eleven months in this time of awakening (November 2009 to October 2010) is very good. We received over 6,000 testimonies of emotional and physical healing from all over the world and we have had the privilege of baptizing over 1,700 people. I am very proud of the excellent leadership of Wes Hall and Allen Hood and their team. The IHOP–KC family is in a much better place because of their labors.”
Here’s my take:
I was totally rooting for IHOP! Their goal was to see the Third Great Awakening happen before their eyes, which is God’s goal.
For about 3 months, I watched many of the 6-hour meetings in their entirety. I was thrilled at Wes Hall’s attitude and teachings. But more and more I became leery about what IHOPU president, Allen Hood was saying.
It’s no surprise to me that the revival started in Wes’ class. Wes just shone. He seems to be as pure as snow. It’s also no surprise that Wes became noticeably touched by God over and over and over, while Allen seemed to be hardly affected.
“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” This is a principle that I’ve seen demonstrated in many of the revival meetings I’ve been in.
I have found that most church leaders aren’t fully right with God and people, so it’s usually the norm that they don’t get touched. You can watch them. Hundreds will be greatly touched by God, as did Wes, but with the leaders who aren’t holy, little happens, or they put on an act.
Wes stated a number of times that who gets touched doesn’t really mean anything, but from what I’ve seen, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” is a key factor, if not the key factor.
It is my opinion that God wants to move among every human being in fullness, but we have to be right with Him and each other, otherwise bad things would happen when God reveals Himself in a greater fullness. So God can’t fully come until our hearts are pure. Mike Bickle knows this:
In Acts, Ananias and Sapphira died because they publicly lied in God’s presence. The believers in these meetings were greatly respected, but “none of the rest dared to join them.”
After Ananias and Sapphira died, Luke writes in Acts 5:
11 Great fear came on the whole assembly, and on all who heard these things.
12 By the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. They were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch. 13 None of the rest dared to join them, however the people honored them. 14 More believers were added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.
Why didn’t the rest dare to join them? Because they weren’t right enough with God and people, just like most ‘Christians’ today. They weren’t walking in “perfect love” so their “perfect love casted out all fear (James)” to be able to rest in confidence in the manifest presence of the HOLY Spirit.
Most ‘Christians’ today (including leadership) are either putting on that they’re holy or they don’t even claim to be. After all, the currently popular teaching is that they’re saved no matter what — if they’ve been truly been born again — which is the very doctrine that are keeping ‘churches’ from being holy enough for God to fully come.
To me, it is crystal clear that the main thing that kept the IHOP awakening meetings in the stuck mode is Allen Hood’s salvation doctrine (see related articles, below) which Mike Bickle must have approved. Mike even said in his statement “I am very proud of … Allen Hood;” even though, Allen gave attendees a license to willfully sin. I wrote these. It’s so clear:
They kept asking, even telling God to come, but the Holy Spirit couldn’t come in His fullness as He has done in so many previous revivals, including Acts 5 — which is just what is supposed to be normal Christianity. God wants to live among us in a very real way.
There was Allen Hood’s false salvation teaching, but there was also key exhortation that was curiously absent. I kept waiting and waiting and waiting…. The main theme of the Asbury revival (that they must have known about, having studied revival history) was totally missing: the importance of getting right with each other: Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’” Not once, did I hear one of the leaders say we need to get right with each other. Not once!!! As if Asbury never happened.
IHOP also ignored the church history that God emphasized to Shelley Hundley in a dream. He showed her specifically how Jonathan Edwards was a key example for them. But Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God was the opposite of what Allen Hood kept repeating over and over: God loves us no matter what we do — the prevalent teaching in churchianity today — but the truth is still what the Bible clearly teaches: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
There was a key reason that God emphasized Jonathan Edwards, who taught the fear of the Lord, front and center, while Allen taught against the idea that the fear of the Lord applies to ‘Christians’ — except as to what we’ll have to go through on earth. See this.
IHOP was trying to bring in the revival without the Biblical requirement for holiness taught for us to just be real Christians. Only the pure in heart will see God. At Asbury, the Christians publicly confessed their sins. They did James 4, while the IHOP awakening meetings were largely just partysville. From God’s Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4:
“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy [partysville joy, not fruit-of-the-Holy-Spirit joy] to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.
There was mixture at IHOP. Holiness was an option, not a necessity for those who are God’s children, so many opted out; though, they wanted the blessing of being in God’s fullness while still being too fully in the world — not having even been told to get right with their neighbors so God could come.
Jesus greatly desires us to be ONE. He longs for us to be ONE. Only then will the world know, He said in John 17. Now, the world smells a rat. There is so much unrepentant sin in the ‘church.” God can’t come until we’re ONE. So let’s become ONE! And this will happen when holiness is no longer an option, which is what the Bible really teaches.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” ‘Church’ leaders claim to be wise, but they’re fools when they teach that none of the warning scriptures apply to us; though, they were clearly written to new covenant believers.
This is the great deception. This is what is destroying America and keeping real Christianity, the Third Great Awakening from happening in our midst.
I wonder how many thousands of times I heard those at IHOP actually tell God to come. What gall, I’ve often thought — us telling God what to do when He can’t come in His manifest presence or many would flat out die. How dare we, when He is the Potter and we are the clay.
I think it’s mainly a matter of one church somewhere getting their doctrines right and living accordingly. That will start the Third Great Awakening.
The positive message here is that when we get our doctrines right — especially regarding who goes to heaven — and when we live within what the Bible really says, we will have revival. It will be automatic follow.
The unwavering principle is “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.” It’s not complicated. The Third Great Awakening didn’t happen at IHOP because those who are truly Christ’s wasn’t even taught. “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh” (Paul in Galatians 5). The opposite was actually taught. “People were pacified.”
“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” Who are the humble? Those who obey. Who are those who obey? Those who actually really do love the Lord, our God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength, and who really do love their neighbors as themselves.
That means we have to do Asbury. We have to get right with everybody we’ve hurt. We need to humble ourselves before God and each other. I believe the community that will do this will bring in the Third Great Awakening.
Many good things happened at IHOP. I don’t want to minimize the good. I gave much applause in this blog. I think Wes Hall, especially did a lot of good. I really like Wes! I think Wes and some of the others even plowed ground that will make it easier for the Third Great Awakening to happen. But Allen’s reverse-Bible salvation killed it. False salvation doctrine poured water on the whole move.
And then “we bless You, Lord” songs turned more into “bless us, Lord” songs. That was another factor. How much of the worship was really worship — especially in Spirit and in truth? Straight-to-God “We worship You” songs were hardly ever sung. “Worship” was more man centered than “You are awesome!” People’s hearts weren’t right. I saw certain worship leaders start to sing real worship songs, but it’s like the crowd wasn’t ready. They poured poured water on the coals, and rarely did the worship leaders have the courage to fully try again.
Only new wineskins can hold the New Wine, God Himself. It’s really simple. We can’t expect God to move among us differently than He did in previous revivals where the people really repented.
“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.
Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.
We shouldn’t be telling God what to do. We need to do what is right and then He will come. This is guaranteed when we really do humble ourselves to His standard.
Then He will come. We’ll see great miracles! The joy of the Lord will be our strength!
We can have a permanent Asbury where there will be no doubt that God is among us. But first, we need to get our salvation doctrine right.
Or America has to totally fall and we lose everything. Maybe that would also bring about real repentance. But why are we going to wait until then?
We can have revival now. It’s just a matter of us doing what we already know to do — what the Holy Spirit has been convicting us of.
False teachers should step down. Those who teach the truth will bring in this next move.
Luther didn’t get it, yet most pastors basically teach what Luther taught. Some follow John Calvin, but he didn’t get it either. And certainly the Catholic Church didn’t get it. So let’s get it!
We need to believe what Jesus, Paul, James, John, and what the writer to the Hebrews taught.
Then we’ll see heart-soaring, pure revival come!
Related:
My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified
False, revival killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings 🙁
FALSE DOCTRINE: Why won’t Christian leaders even mention Hebrews 10:26? An IHOP example — so close and yet so far away — from full REVIVAL 🙁
Here is an example (if you listen to the audio) of how close (and yet so far away) Mike Bickle (head of IHOP) is to the truth about who goes to heaven
Mike Bickle, Head of IHOP: From Porn to Worship “Within the Minute?” Yikes, Mike!
(video) The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next, even greater revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!
Tommy Welchel on William Seymour and Charles Parham’s 100-Year Prophecy: On the same day in 1909, hundreds of miles apart, they both prophesied God’s visible shekina glory would return to earth after 100 years, but this time everywhere!
Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s *1909 prophecy* of the SHEKINAH GLORY RETURNING to the church *in 100 years*: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. ..the fear of God was on the community, and…they were highly esteemed” | My theory …
Smith Wigglesworth: “THE LAST DAY REVIVAL WILL BE THE GREATEST revival this world has ever seen!”
(audio) Sid Roth on ‘Coast to Coast AM’ 9/1/13: Miracles & Healing — Why did the Azusa St. revival stop (1906-1909)? William Seymour “became too sophisticated for the box” — to hear and obey — but prophesied an even greater revival would happen in 100 years!
Sid Roth: The missing ingredient, speaking in tongues — “I believe that God wants to restore this gift for the last great push of God’s spirit”
Effects of the WELSH REVIVAL 1904-05: Whole communities were radically changed FROM DEPRAVITY TO GLORIOUS GOODNESS. The CRIME RATE dropped, often to nothing. THE POLICE had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings. THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. People who had fallen out BECAME FRIENDS AGAIN!!!!!!!
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”
Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy
All of my Lust Freedom! posts (in reverse-chronological order)
All of my Who Goes to Heaven posts (in reverse-chronological order)
All of my IHOP posts (in reverse-chronological order)
From: johnthebaptisttv.com (Andrew Strom)
‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not?
The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest
reaction yet on our Facebook page. We are now discussing it on
our new website – where ANYONE can now comment (not just
members). Here is the quote and a few replies to kick things off!-
The QUOTE:
“Get rid of this bunkum about the ‘carnal Christian’. Forget it! If
you’re carnal, you’re not saved.” – Leonard Ravenhill.
Some REPLIES:
A.M – “Well the Bible is white and black, there is no gray, either
you’re with Christ or you are against Him.
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather
with me, scatters.””
R.B – “I have enjoyed reading through all the comments regarding
this qoute. In my opinion, and correct me if am wrong Andrew, but
I feel that the meaning of this qoute is refing to those who habitually
live in carnality. I think that every Christian falls into carnallity from
time to time, does that make them “unsaved”? I don’t think so.”
L.C – “Well I don’t agree on this one! The Bible speaks of carnal
“Christians”! In 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 Paul is speaking to the
Corinthian BELIEVERS when he tells them he couldn’t speak to
them as spiritual (one governed by the Spirit) but as carnal, mere
infants in Christ.”
A.M – “If you read 1 corinthians Paul is rebuking them for
being carnal, not condoning it.”
Olive Branch – “Without the phrase (‘Carnal Christian’) many so
called Christians have no way of justifying their sin.”
– Have something important to say on this?
Please add your comment below-
Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
See at my personal blog:
One of my pastor friends died on Saturday —
and I’m not sure where he now is
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Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts
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This is what Paul really says.
Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace….
12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abbaa! Father!”
16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.
Excerpt from Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
Romans 8:1 is one of the most commonly mistaught scriptures, largely because of certain faulty modern Bible translations like Rupert Murdoch’s NIV:
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” The NIV stops there, but the KJV, NKJV and others keep Paul’s complete thought: “who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.” (WEB)
And we know this is the correct interpretation to what Paul means to be in Christ Jesus because of what Paul also says in verse four: “that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
Most pastors are teaching that the “no condemnation” from being “in Christ Jesus,” is automatic because Christ died for us and we accepted his free gift. But that’s not what Paul taught at all. It is so clear.
Those “who are in Christ Jesus” have “no condemnation” because they “don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit”—by God’s grace, of course.
Most ‘Christians,’ today, rightfully feel condemnation because they are in one or more areas walking after the flesh and not putting to death the misdeads of the body by the Holy Spirit. Compare what Paul says in Galatians 5:
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.
Most pastors are confidence men (con-men) who go to great lengths to convince the people that the condemnation they feel is really from the Devil, because born-again Christians can’t be under condemnation because of what Paul says in Romans 8:1a. They’re totally deceiving the public.
Most ‘Christians’ and pastors constantly live in condemnation. And instead of living totally clean and getting right with those they’ve hurt so they can be free from condemnation, they actually seek comfort from the positive-encouragement K-LOVE propaganda that tells listeners that we’re okay with God no matter what. The “never let go” songs are so popular, while we should really be listening to our-heart-to-God’s real worship music, which hardly gets played at all. Most ‘Christians’ can’t worship in Spirit and in truth because their hearts aren’t right.
“If therefore you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you,leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. (Mt. 5:23, 24)
In ‘church,’ today, it’s all about “I’m okay, you’re okay,” and this simply is not true. “God’s people” aren’t even repenting from supporting the United States’ immoral, reverse-Christian wars. Abortion is deemed so bad while it’s okay to kill hundreds of thousands of full grown humans who never did anything to us, and who are mostly now in Hell (abortion is despicable, but at least the babies go to heaven). We slaughtered them in the name of God and country. America gets what it deserves. We are now becoming a police state, and the end of America may soon be at hand, all because the ‘Christians’ are no longer salt and light. See: The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit?
The fear of God has been removed from pastors’ vocabularies and from the songs that are played. The Bible has been gutted. Satan knew he couldn’t get away with adding words to the Bible, so instead, he took them out, largely through his servants, Wescott and Hort.
Paul continues to explain who goes to heaven in the middle of Romans 8, as well as in Romans 11, but pastors are leading the church astray by focusing instead on Romans 8:1a and the last part of the chapter which says nothing can separate us from the love of Christ; though, Paul was referring to those who are truly in Christ Jesus according to what he had previously said in chapter 8.
Americans are getting brainwashed/ mind-controlled. That is what is happening in most churches and on most ‘Christian’ radio and TV today. The deception in the last days is indeed great and almost universal! “Come out from them and be separate” is the remedy.
This is what Paul really says.
Romans 8:1-19
Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace….
12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abbaa! Father!”
16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.
Rom. 11:1; 20-23
1 I ask then, Did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. …
20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don’t be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches [the Jews], neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 They also, if they don’t continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
The New Testament teaches that Jesus was an example on earth that we should follow in his steps. And having read the warning scriptures that describe what will happen to us if we fall away, “working out our salvation with fear and trembling” as the Holy Spirit enables us to makes total sense.
Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
I just have to say something.
I’m having an email discussion with a friend about who goes to heaven, and so much of what he’s saying is based on a formula, instead of “am I right with God because I’m really right with God and people?”
There are many formulas out there. In Lutheranism, it’s about getting infant baptized and confirmation — and perhaps communion. Based on this, Luther said: Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”.
In Catholicism, it’s also largely about baptism and the eucharist. Some still practice confession, but this is to a ‘priest’ (which have been done away with in the New Covenant where Jesus is our Priest), and rarely are those confessing actually told to get right with those they hurt. Say a certain number of “Hail Mary’s” or whatever and you’re scot free. Sad.
And for many evangelicals, it’s mainly about getting truly born-again, getting ‘saved.’ “It’s all about what He did for me.” “Grace.” “He’ll never let go; He’ll never let go; never let go….” Romans 8:1 has been gutted to put the responsibility all on God: “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
Another popular formula is Calvinism, which has always been to me so unbelievably out there, perhaps because I didn’t grow up among it. It shocks me when I find people who actually believe this. It’s kind of an ego/hubris thing, at least for many. Calvinists seem to think they are special because God chose them. In their way of thinking, Jesus didn’t die for everyone, just those Whom He chose, the elect, and God will be faithful to complete His work in them no matter how they respond, as long as they are truly chosen.
In my article, Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, I chose to simply show what the Bible straightforwardly says about who goes to heaven and who really are God’s children.
Most of the above formulas are pulled mainly from a few key texts, some of which are in Paul’s introductions, in which he is just starting to formulate his ideas. We need to look at the development of Paul’s thought and particularly tune into his conclusions, which, by the way, agree with those of Jesus, John, James, the writer of Hebrews, etc..
These conclusions are that we need to truly be right with God to go to heaven. “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
The Devil wants us to focus on formulas and abstract theories, while Christianity and salvation is actually more simple, more straightforward — common sense.
Christianity is about relationships: having a right relationship with God and with those around us. Then we can rest. Then we are abiding in Him — “in Christ Jesus.”
Will we have faith to enter when it is our time to be judged? Will our conscience condemn us, or will we stand before Him clean? Then our names won’t be removed from the Book of Life (Rev. 3:1-6). Numerous scriptures point this out.
We’ll have faith because we’re clean — not just because of what Jesus did — but because we lived in Him, righteous, by His grace we overcame. We didn’t shrink back. We made sure that we stayed right with Him. We’re supposed to walk like Jesus walked. We can’t just do our own thing and think it’s okay because of some formula. “Without holiness, no man will see God.”
He died so we might have life — living in the Son. “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh” (Gal. 5). We must obey. Obedience isn’t an option, because Christianity is about right relationships, not whether we fit into a formula, the demonic spins designed to distract us from what really is important.
Christianity is loving the Lord, our God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves.
Because ‘Christianity’ has largely abandoned the Greatest Two Commandments criteria, our society reflects this, and America is on its last breath.
Regarding predestination and election, I don’t think any of us fully understand it. I don’t think we’re supposed to. The main thing to realize is that when Paul warned Christians about falling away, he was writing to Christians whom he considered the predestined elect. What Paul wrote applied to them, then, and applies to us today.
We don’t need to understand foreknowledge, predestination and election. I’m not concerned about it. I believe that Jesus died for everyone, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth.
I’m concerned with how Jesus, Paul, John, the writer to the Hebrews, James and others said we should live — and their warnings apply to us. What happens if we choose to not obey? This is what we should all be focusing on — getting it all right — living so right.
Then ONE will happen, and no matter what comes down in these coming years, we’ll be spiritually ready — eternally secure.
I know that I have a free will, and I know that I’m truly born again, just as very many really are. If I wanted to, I could live a willfully disobedient life and then go to Hell. But I choose to work out my salvation through fear and trembling (Paul’s words). And each day I have to overcome.
It’s not easy, but it will be when we’re all living in Christ together — ONE. “Then the world will know” and we will be so full of joy!
We should be focused on living Jesus’ Greatest Two Commandments instead of justifying our rightness based upon some doctrine-of-demons formula.
Let’s be real Christians!
Jeff
[Updated 2/25/13]
I would like to add to what I said in:
I also wrote:
Divorce and ‘Marriage,’ Part 3: The Anointing — “Tell them about Pastor E.”
Jesus was very straightforward in His stand on marriage and divorce in Matthew 5, as I show in the above article. But what about the gray areas, the rare situations that don’t totally fit within what Jesus said?
HUGE QUALIFIER: whom we date and marry is one of the most emotional issues we may ever have, if not the most. It’s so easy to hear the voice of the enemy leading us to do sinful things if we’ve given demons a place and we aren’t totally, 100% submitted to God’s will. Jesus gave us the standard in Mt. 5. If we hear an exception that He didn’t give we better be absolutely sure it was the Holy Spirit and not an impostor. The most extreme carefulness needs to be applied. Most ‘Christians’ are currently not at that level of submission to the Holy Spirit. There should only be One Voice, and we all need to be 100% willing to do whatever God is leading us to do regarding whom to marry. As I said in the previous article, if James says we must be submitted to God’s will as to where to live, surely whom we intimately spend the rest of our lives with is more important…. Many have lost their anointing and are in a state of losing their salvation because they weren’t careful enough. We must be Spirit-led, not feelings-led.
Jesus told the disciples there were many more things He would tell them, but they couldn’t bear to hear them all at that time, so He would send the comforter, the Holy Spirit Whom will lead us into all truth. The Bible isn’t supposed to have specific answers for everything. We’re supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God” (Romans 8:14). “This is the normal Christian life,” I believe I just heard. This certainly is true. See: A Call to Intimacy: The Holy Spirit in John’s Gospel & Epistles, by Jeff Fenske. The fact that this isn’t true in most Christians’ lives today just shows how far off course we are from the true gospel — and why ‘churches’ and countries are in such a mess.
Jesus explained to the disciples in John 14:
14:16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever,– 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.
18 I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you.
16:12 “I have yet many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak.
John continues in 1 John:
20 You have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.
27 As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.
If we’re abiding in Him, the Holy Spirit, He will then teach us concerning all things, especially regarding major issues like whom we should marry.
When we leave the Holy Spirit and do our own thing, that’s when we get into trouble. We should always make sure we have entered into our rest, the place where we are right with God and people — enjoying the peace of God that is beyond all understanding.
When pastors and the people think we can be Christians without remaining in Him no wonder the church is in such disarray. We were never meant to be led by the Bible alone.
The role of the Holy Spirit is downplayed, largely because of the old covenant tithing teaching (which pastors push so they get money even if the Holy Spirit isn’t leading people to give to them). Following the Bible alone, sola scriptura has been the emphasis. And trying to follow the written word without abiding in the Spirit of truth “is a recipe for chaos.” And that’s what we have.
The result is what Luther came to believe — that we can’t really do what Jesus said we must do. The Sermon on the Mount is just an ideal. We’re sinners saved by grace. So ‘don’t worry about what we do,’ ‘all we have to do is believe’ completely fails God’s parameters.
When willfully sinning, knowingly unclean believers stand before Jesus, He’ll say “depart from me, workers of iniquity.” Like Isaiah, seeing the Holy God while in his sin: “Woe is me!” And then it will be too late.
Jeff
Related:
Divorce and ‘Marriage,’ Part 3: The Anointing — “Tell them about Pastor E.”
(video) David Pawson Interview on “Divorce & Remarriage” — Unbiblically married? What to do…
Regarding the specifics of who goes to heaven, who are the children of God, who will have faith to enter, I wrote this article which no one can refute: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
I’ve desired to write this post ever since I heard this message, but I wanted to post the ALCC-goals photo first. I’m tired of being called ‘divisive’ when I’ve been calling for unity all along. And we can only be unified when we realize that loving each other as much as we love ourselves isn’t an option if we are to be going-to-heaven, real Christians. And this has not been done.
Do we mean this or not? Many are waiting:
The only way I see John-17 unity happening (short of a total collapse of our nation) is for us to get certain doctrines right, especially our salvation doctrine, which
This is why who goes to heaven is such a big key. It’s not only about where we spend eternity, but it’s about getting real Christianity happening now, which I believe will bring about the Third Great Awakening happening now — here in Anchorage? Why not? We can do it!
What I’m addressing here was said publicly (it’s even online at abbottloop.org… and as a podcast), so I’m responding publicly. We can’t let our egos get in the way. This is about life and death. This is the greatest deception that I’m convinced is the fundamental reason for the fall of America, let alone the horrendous stats of such a tiny percentage of ‘Christians’ actually going to heaven. See How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%?!!
Pastor Joshua Tanner said this in his Sunday message, 7/18/10, entitled: Collossians 2:1-10 “United in Him”:
“Verse 4 [of Col. 2]: ‘Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words.’
You know that I really think deception is the key thing that the Devil wants to bring into the church, because he knows that Jesus has got your heart.
I think [it’s] virtually impossible to deceive someone so much that they lose their salvation. This is my personal opinion.” (And Josh has taught this before. See my link, below.)
The truth is that we don’t have to wonder about what the Bible says. The Bible specifically teaches that it’s easy to lose ones salvation. And Paul directly answers this question in Galatians:
7 Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh [5:19-21] will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit [5:16-18, 22-24] will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
Here is the full text, which includes Paul’s most complete lists of who goes to heaven and who doesn’t, and most Christians are clearly not fully in the who-goes-to-heaven list, including most pastors.
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let’s not become conceited, provoking one another, and envying one another.
1 Brothers, even if a man is caught in some fault, you who are spiritual must restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to yourself so that you also aren’t tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if a man thinks himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each man test his own work, and then he will take pride in himself and not in his neighbor. 5 For each man will bear his own burden.
6 But let him who is taught in the word share all good things with him who teaches. 7 Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh [5:19-21] will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit [5:16-18, 22-24] will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don’t give up.
10 So then, as we have opportunity, let’s do what is good toward all men, and especially toward those who are of the household of the faith.
It’s crucial that we come to an understanding about what the Bible really teaches. Then we can become ONE in Him. “Then the world will know” (Jesus in John 17) — and we will be so happy!!!
We can lead the world into revival!
Jeff Fenske : )
Related:
Abbott Loop has apparently joined the once-saved-always-saved camp — “the doctrine that’s bringing US down into the pit” and keeping us apart. But what does the Bible really say?
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
My $6,000 Challenge! I will give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my “Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way” article
Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
“Preachers…play the therapist, speaking soothing words, in a soothing tone, ensuring anyone within earshot that everything’s going to be alright, that God has mellowed over the centuries, and as long as they ‘bring the tithe into the storehouse’ God will overlook everything else.
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[If the name of the author sounds familiar, Michael Boldea was Dumitru Duduman’s interpreter: Dumitru Duduman: Wake Up America.]
This article is an excellent example of how we need prophetic people to help bring us back into reality, for the American ‘church’ really has neutered God in their thinking and teaching
We all need each other!
For me personally, I can truly say this “farce of a faith” (Boldeas’ term) that the American Gospel has turned into no longer even feels partly right. It’s witchcraft, because: it’s rebellion, which the Bible says is witchcraft, and because it’s based on false doctrines, doctrines of demons.
It also feels so awful because we can look at the destruction it has left in its wake! Look at what we’ve turned into, a nation full of murderers. Even the church is calling for, and not repenting for preemptive wars that have killed many hundreds of thousands.
And if we could only see the actual faces of those who have died and are now in hell, thinking they were saved because they prayed this one prayer. This deception is serious!!! And we’re influencing the whole world with this muck.
It also doesn’t feel right when God is no longer to be feared, when we’re told He won’t hold us accountable for willful sinning/rebellion, according to today’s gospel.
It doesn’t feel right, and it isn’t right now that the American ‘church’ has removed part of the nature of God to fulfill our lusts without fear of punishment.
We’ve made God trendy, a bud who hangs with us no matter what we do, whom we lust at, whom we curse or lie to, whom we hate. “Oh, they deserve it….” And we have become little gods, taking our own revenge — not really caring about what the Bible really says. God is a latte. He tastes good; he makes us feel good. “With hammer and chisel in hand we began to sculpt our new and improved deity.”
We make a mockery of God when God no longer needs to be sought and honored. We put ourselves as high as Him when we think we can be lord of our own lives, not needing to submit to the One Who’ll never let go no matter what we do — so the song says — but the Bible does not, as I’ve shown over and over in this blog. The Bible is so clear. How can we miss it: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
I wonder more and more if ‘Christians’ even care about what the Bible really says. They like this new god.
Many pastors teach that the fear of God isn’t fear but respect. But can we on earth really respect Him if we don’t fear what He will do to us if we don’t respect Him? How can we respect a God who will not judge ‘Christians’ who willfully lust after your daughters (thinking “God will never let go”), who James-3-curse those of us who rightfully say they’re not qualified to lead until they get right with those they’ve hurt. And then they lie and hate. But they’ll all go to heaven because they said this little prayer that they really meant. They call themselves ‘Christians’ and ‘men of God,’ yet they’re hearts are dark, which they mask with a smile.
And God won’t judge them, just take away some of their rewards?? Then where is justice? Just say this little prayer….
We don’t need to get right with God to save this nation from external or internal collapse. We just need to elect politicians who will send our men and women to kill the Muslims over there, whom our Republican leaders said took down the towers. [see my 9/11 Truth posts at ToBeFree to find out the truth]
So will kill over a million because of 3,000. Sounds like revenge to me. But abortion is murder. Abortion is so bad, but killing hundreds of thousands of people who didn’t do anything to us is being patriotic. Abortion is murder, but the victims will not go to hell. Most of those we bomb from the sky are now in hell. And whose hands are stained with their blood?
But we don’t need to repent. Our ‘God’ is our friend no matter what. We don’t have to apologize for being doofs, unfeeling, unloving, unkind, selfish and stuffed Americans.
But God is not mocked. What we reap we will sow. And Paul is writing to Christians about eternal life, you all — Galatians 5 and 6.
This is no joke. We need to get on our faces. How in the world do we think we can get away with this when we see Jesus face to face? Not only do we openly support preemptive wars, pushing for our 3rd one now (none of which have proven to be justified), but these are fought in Jesus’ name, turning the world against US and Jesus. They know these wars are not just, whether ‘Christians’ do or not.
It does really seem like the core problem in the ‘church,’ today is doctrine. And this clearly includes the doctrine of who God is. Satan has succeeded in his once-saved-always-saved deception by inspiring ‘Christian leaders’ to gut the Word of God, throwing out the Scriptures that tell the truth about who really goes to heaven and who really are God’s children.
Doctrine really is the key.
Jeff Fenske
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From: mikeboldea.blogspot.com…
I will say the following plainly, because I could think of no other way of saying it. At the risk of bringing the readership of this blog to zero, at the risk of having to wade through dozens of less than friendly e-mails, the following must be stated, and clearly so.
If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years have never once made you feel uncomfortable then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message. If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years have never once challenged you then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message. If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years haven’t accentuated Christ and the cross in perpetuity then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message. If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years have never once stirred you to repentance, prompted inward introspection, humbled you, caused you to weep and truly see the enormity of your sin, then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message, but a neutered version wherein God is always smiling, the sun is always shining, the birds are always chirping and no matter what you do, God’s holding onto you so tight that you’ll never be able to get away.
In this brave new world of ours, pastors have redefined their roles and become life coaches, no longer preaching a crucified Christ, but rather playing the part of guidance counselor to scores of individuals that can be likened to overactive, petulant, and overgrown children who will not accept being accountable to anyone, be they God or man.
Preachers too have redefined their roles and rather than be concerned about the spiritual wellbeing of those to whom they are ministering they play the therapist, speaking soothing words, in a soothing tone, ensuring anyone within earshot that everything’s going to be alright, that God has mellowed over the centuries, and as long as they ‘bring the tithe into the storehouse’ God will overlook everything else.
It is an understatement when I say that there is enough blame to go around for the farce of a faith many are presenting, living and promulgating today, and the sheep are just as much to blame as the shepherds. In the end these so called shepherds are just giving the people what they wanted aren’t they?
If you preach the truth, if you preach the unadulterated Word of God, wherever you happen to be, you are bound to hear those famous words that seem to be on everyone’s lips nowadays: ‘That’s not the god I serve!’
I’ve heard it more times than I would like to recall, and no matter how often I hear it, it’s still shocking.
‘I don’t like your god, your god is mean, that’s not the god I serve.’
‘But all I did was read from His book’, I would retort, ‘all I did was read from the Bible!’
If you hear the truth being preached, if someone is reading out of the Bible and in your heart you say ‘that’s not the god I serve’, then may I humbly submit to you that you are not serving the true God, but a god of your own making and imagining. A god that you have fashioned in your heart who requires no submission, who requires no obedience, who requires no sacrifice on your part, but is more than happy to let you win the lotto time and again.
It is because we have refashioned and remade God in our own image that the neutered gospel is so widely accepted and received. It is because we didn’t like what God had to say that we chose rebellion rather than submission, and with hammer and chisel in hand we began to sculpt our new and improved deity.
Like the prophets of Baal however, we will know the true impotence of the gods we’ve fashioned when we need them most. When we see the gods of our own making for what they truly are, nothing more than mists and vanities, it will be too late, and though we might cut ourselves and bleed, though we might cry out to the heavens for a sign, these deities we so revel in today, these gods we so honor and worship will remain silent as the empty tomb from which the Christ, the Son of the one true God walked out of two millennia ago.
With love in Christ,
Michael Boldea Jr.
So what does this say about what’s required for full revival to happen?
My answer, below.
– jeff
“Good doctrine produces
good Christians and good churches.
Bad doctrine or no doctrine produces
weak Christians and weak churches.”
– Kevin Conner, theologian —
one of my teachers at Abbott Loop’s Bible School in 1984
Quote transcribed by myself
from Rick Benjamin’s PowerPoint slide
during last night’s introduction
to the doctrinal classes that ALCC is now offering.
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Could we then say that:
“The false doctrine of eternal security produces
false ‘Christians’ and false churches.
Whereas:
“Great doctrine produces
great Christians and great churches…
the Third Great Awakening?!!!!!!!”
Related:
“I concluded –
on the basis of hard, cold, unemotional exegesis –
that Luther profoundly misread Paul.”
– David Anders
My friend, Dave and I came to this same conclusion, but so far, he has gone one way and I another — explained in My friend, David Anders on Catholic TV, which also gives the source of this quote.
Jeff Fenske
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