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Sid Roth: The missing ingredient, speaking in tongues — "I believe that God wants to restore this gift for the last great push of God’s spirit"

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Sid Roth’s speaking in tongues testimony:

When I received my supernatural language I didn’t feel anything. I didn’t hear anything. Just by faith I started speaking. The man told me to do it, I believed that he knew what he was talking about, so therefore, I could do it. I was like a child. I had like childlike faith. If they had said you could sing, you could walk on water, I would have walked on water. But then immediately after I started speaking my language the thought popped in my head, you’re making that up. And so I was kind of, James calls it, I was kind of double-minded as far as my supernatural language.

And at that time an orthodox Jewish rabbi became a believer in Jesus. And I was talking with him and a woman came up that was expecting a baby, and the doctor had said the baby was dead within her. And she walked up to me, and I’m a brand new believer, and she said, “Pray for my baby to come to life.” Now I didn’t know anything. That was a little too much for me. And so when I prayed for the baby to come back to life all I could think of doing was praying in my supernatural language, and I did it. And after she left, the rabbi said to me, “You were speaking in an ancient form of Hebrew. Where did you learn it?” I said, “Rabbi, I know Bar Mitzvah Hebrew. I know how to read it. I don’t speak too many words.” This rabbi said to me, “Sid, you prophesied that the child was with the God the Father and be at peace.” And I, Janie, I never doubted again.

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Sid Roth with Janie DuVall
November 29 – December 5, 2010

It was NORMAL for the early believers in Messiah to walk in the Supernatural Power of God with signs and wonders commonplace – thousands healed and saved. But somehow NORMAL has been hijacked! Find out the KEY that early believers understood and get ready to become NORMAL.


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Sid Roth welcomes Janie DuVall

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Janie DuVall, and we’re talking about supernatural languages. I believe that God wants to restore this gift for the last great push of God’s spirit. As I study the great men and women of God throughout history one ingredient is left out, but it’s in the record, Janie, and that is they all have spoke in supernatural languages. There was a one-eyed, uneducated African-American man that literally led the Azusa Street Revival.

JANIE: William Seymour.

SID: Most people don’t know this. If you had walked into his service the first thing you would see is a man sitting there with a box over his head. You wouldn’t be able to see his face. You would have run out. But you know what he was doing? He was praying in supernatural languages, and he would not take the box off of his head until God told him what to do.

JANIE: But you know, he’s not the only one. John G. Lake, Smith Wigglesworth, that was their key to walking in the miraculous. And all the guests that you’ve had lately, even in like the past year, I asked them, okay, what’s your secret? How come you’re seeing angels? How come you’re being translated? How come you see fast answers to prayer? How come so many people are getting healed? I prayed in supernatural languages a long time. That’s the key. And you know what the big key, but some people can still pray in supernatural languages and not have anything happen. And the reason is when you’re praying in supernatural languages you’re allowing the Holy Spirit to change you. You’re allowing him to have you walk in supernatural love and supernatural power. But if you don’t allow that change then you could be stopping it.

David Bercot's CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About War — Jesus taught his followers to love their enemies. How literally did the early Christians take Jesus' teachings?

The evangelicals almost 100% support for what have proven to be immoral wars is totally reverse-Christian.

We really need to get right in our hearts in this issue for real Christianity to happen among us — to be safe in God — to have the world’s respect — and so God will be glorified through His people who are finally respectable.

“Then the world will know,” Jesus said in John 17 — when we become one with each other in Himself!

I will say that I don’t totally agree with Bercot on pacifism though. We need to be led by what we know in our heart is right — keeping step with the Holy Spirit. And angry/unforgiving people (most American ‘Christians’?) are going to have a hard time hearing from God in this area. I do believe there is a place to defend people and even countries, but we’ll know it’s right when if this time would come.

Most wars are not just wars, especially Bush War I and Bush War II. Did Afghanistan or Iraq attack us? And what ever happened to forgiving, instead of revenge? Maybe if Christians would forgive the Muslims they’d be more interested in researching what really happened on 9/11. Jet fuel cannot take down steel buildings. The proof is at my other main site, ToBeFree. The ‘church’ has been had, duped, so that they’re complicit in these huge attrocities! And now they’re even going through the naked body scanners?!!

We need to really re-assess this important subject, especially since Sarah Palin, John Hagee, and others are insisting we nuke Iran without even knowing for sure Iran has nukes! And they totally ignore our long, dark history in manipulating Iran’s government covertly. To many evangelicals, humbling ourselves, apology and discussion isn’t even an option. We solve everything through power-over: WAR verses What Would Jesus Do? and what would the Holy Spirit have us do?

And Sarah and John don’t even call Israel to apologize for their pride and arrogance in their numerous and egregious inhumane atrocities, partly from their lack of willingness to forgive too.

Now we are our own gods. We do our own thing. “We don’t need the Holy Spirit to lead us for we have the Bible” — and we have nukes!

I saw a John Hagee conference in which many famous evangelical leaders and I think even some politicians attended. The singers sang “Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit,” while John led this “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” rally.

Hagee might as well be singing: “I did it MY WAY.” Strikers are disqualified from being church leaders according to Paul’s overseer qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus, by the way.

And soon it may be “bomb, bomb, bomb America.” God won’t save a people who reject His leadership.

What goes around comes around. We reap what we sow.

Maybe Israel deserves getting bombed, for what they’ve done so hatefully to others. And maybe we do too for our unrepentant covert and overt operations/manipulations in God’s name over many decades! Ever thought of that? If we get nuked or EMP’d, who is to blame? We certainly don’t deserve God’s protection at this point. Does Israel?

It was God’s will that Assyria and Babylon conquered Israel and took them into captivity because they had stubbornly ignored His leading. Consider this, part 6 of my “Let Us Be ONE” prophesy: “I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away.”

Why 9/11? | Forgiveness is the Key to Repentance

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There is fear in My people—a fear that is great. You need not dismay, for I am with you. I am in everything you do, non-stop. I never cease.

Feel My hurt, imagine the pain, when you go your own way. I am in you, waiting. Let’s be one. Let’s do it.

There is another thing: a disaster has struck. People have been hurt, suicide bombings attacking towers. Why?

Do you not know that I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away?

We are one; we need not be far away. There is a way that seems right to a man. Disaster will result unless we forgive.

See the fallen; see them rise up and be refreshed as you give them a kiss, a holy kiss from above, pulling them up, giving them aid when they are down.

Let Me be in control; let Me lead your life. Do not be full of error, wondering this or that, going to and fro, not sure of which direction, being unable to forgive. Forgiveness is the key to repentance.

I forgave. I hung there and gave My life so you can have freedom. I hurt so you can walk in humility and be refreshed. You must take it and run, the precious gift of forgiveness, but not just for yourself, for others.

Forgive and be free.

Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.” So where does that leave the warmongers? What is the opposite of blessing for the warmongers? And whose children are they — those who won’t repent for supporting the Illuminati Bush wars that are actually taking out countries who would oppose Satan’s one-world government? See: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

We need to wash our hands and be clean. It’s probably too late to save America, but at least we can save ourselves from hellfire for wishing evil on people who didn’t even do anything to us.

We need to be way more careful. Today’s ‘Christianity’ is far different from real Christianity. Warmongering is a stench in God’s eyes and others.

What does the Bible really say?

What is the Holy Spirit saying? Hardly anyone seems to be hearing God anymore. What’s up with that?

And what does early Christian history say?

Jeff
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Harmonizing these seemingly contradictory passages is no mere theological exercise. No, the answer to this apparent contradiction lies at the very heart of Christianity.This 3-CD set consists of two audio CDs and one text CD-ROM which can be read on any computer.
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Martin Luther’s Subordinate Bible Books: Hebrews, James, Jude & Revelation

I transcribed this years ago from: Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther, by Roland H. Bainton, 1978, p. 259-261.

Luther read the New Testament in light of the Pauline message that the just shall live by faith and not by works of the law. That this doctrine is not enunciated through the New Testament with equal emphasis and appears to be denied in the book of James did not escape Luther, and in his preface to the New Testament of 1522 James was stigmatized as “an epistle of straw.” Once Luther remarked that he would give his doctor’s beret to anyone who could reconcile James and Paul. Yet he did not venture to reject James from the canon of Scripture [not true – editor], and on occasion earned his own beret by effecting a reconciliation. “Faith,” he wrote, “is a living, restless thing. It cannot be inoperative. We are not saved by works: but if there be no works there must be something amiss with faith.” This was simply to put a Pauline construction on James. The conclusion was a hierarchy of values within the New Testament. First Luther would place the Gospel of John, then the Pauline Epistles and First Peter, after them the three other Gospels, and in a subordinate place Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation.

David Pawson on Paul and James: Paul was defending Gentiles from Jewish *works-of-the-law* legalism; James was defending Jews from Gentile license to sin. — When Paul says ‘works’ he means *works of the law,* but James means *actions.* — “Faith without actions cannot save you.” — FAITH + ACTIONS = SAVING FAITH!
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David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? "You might be surprised to know…"

“You might be surprised to know that the tithe,
as it’s taught in churches today,
is not something that anyone has taken from the New Testament
or from the early church.

It actually came into being after Constantine legalized Christianity.”

– David Bercot
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from this disc

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What the Early Christians Believed About Separation from the World. D. Bercot. The Bible exhorts us: “Adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.” So unless we want to be an enemy of God, we need to live a life of separation from the world. This is how Christians lived when the church was still young.
In this message, Bercot pinpoints five areas where the early Christians lived differently than the world around them: 
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D. Bercot. Peter wrote, “Do not let your adornment be outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on apparel—rather let it be the hidden person of the heart.” But just how literally did the early Christians take that apostolic commandment? Bercot quotes extensively from Scripture and the early Christian writings to answer that question. A challenging message!
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The Roman Catholic Church claims that Peter was the first pope. It further claims that the pope, or bishop of Rome, has been vested with primary authority over all other Christians as “Christ’s vicar on earth.” The Catholic Church also claims that the pope is infallible when defining matters of faith and morals. 
But is this what Christians originally believed? Bercot quotes from Scripture and the early Christians to demonstrate that Rome’s claims have no basis.
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Zeitgeist Response – Part 3

Awakening Meetings End at IHOP. Why?

IHOP head, Mike Bickle says this (from: IHOP…):

Our last awakening service this year was on Saturday, October 9. Wes Hall shared at Forerunner Christian Fellowship on Sunday, September 19, on how the Lord spoke to us about this. We encourage you to listen to Wes’s message.

“The awakening leadership received a word from the Lord from several people, leading them to the conclusion that it was time to discontinue the awakening services for a season. At that time, the nightly meetings were full of life and full of people, yet Wes Hall, Allen Hood, and the awakening leadership team responded in obedience to the word from the Lord. It is very unusual for leaders to stop such meetings when they are full and successful by every human standard. The fruit from laboring for eleven months in this time of awakening (November 2009 to October 2010) is very good. We received over 6,000 testimonies of emotional and physical healing from all over the world and we have had the privilege of baptizing over 1,700 people. I am very proud of the excellent leadership of Wes Hall and Allen Hood and their team. The IHOP–KC family is in a much better place because of their labors.”

—Mike Bickle

Here’s my take:
I was totally rooting for IHOP! Their goal was to see the Third Great Awakening happen before their eyes, which is God’s goal.
For about 3 months, I watched many of the 6-hour meetings in their entirety. I was thrilled at Wes Hall’s attitude and teachings. But more and more I became leery about what IHOPU president, Allen Hood was saying.
It’s no surprise to me that the revival started in Wes’ class. Wes just shone. He seems to be as pure as snow. It’s also no surprise that Wes became noticeably touched by God over and over and over, while Allen seemed to be hardly affected.
“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” This is a principle that I’ve seen demonstrated in many of the revival meetings I’ve been in.
I have found that most church leaders aren’t fully right with God and people, so it’s usually the norm that they don’t get touched. You can watch them. Hundreds will be  greatly touched by God, as did Wes, but with the leaders who aren’t holy, little happens, or they put on an act.
Wes stated a number of times that who gets touched doesn’t really mean anything, but from what I’ve seen, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” is a key factor, if not the key factor.
It is my opinion that God wants to move among every human being in fullness, but we have to be right with Him and each other, otherwise bad things would happen when God reveals Himself in a greater fullness. So God can’t fully come until our hearts are pure. Mike Bickle knows this:

Mike Bickle: Making a Purity Covenant so the HOLY Spirit can come and we won’t get zapped … to bless His heart — that we may be ONE!

In Acts, Ananias and Sapphira died because they publicly lied in God’s presence. The believers in these meetings were greatly respected, but “none of the rest dared to join them.”
After Ananias and Sapphira died, Luke writes in Acts 5:

11 Great fear came on the whole assembly, and on all who heard these things.

12 By the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. They were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch. 13 None of the rest dared to join them, however the people honored them. 14 More believers were added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

Why didn’t the rest dare to join them? Because they weren’t right enough with God and people, just like most ‘Christians’ today. They weren’t walking in “perfect love” so their “perfect love casted out all fear (James)” to be able to rest in confidence in the manifest presence of the HOLY Spirit.
Most ‘Christians’ today (including leadership) are either putting on that they’re holy or they don’t even claim to be. After all, the currently popular teaching is that they’re saved no matter what — if they’ve been truly been born again — which is the very doctrine that are keeping ‘churches’ from being holy enough for God to fully come.
To me, it is crystal clear that the main thing that kept the IHOP awakening meetings in the stuck mode is Allen Hood’s salvation doctrine (see related articles, below) which Mike Bickle must have approved. Mike even said in his statement “I am very proud of … Allen Hood;” even though, Allen gave attendees a license to willfully sin. I wrote these. It’s so clear:

False, revival killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings 🙁

FALSE DOCTRINE: Why won’t Christian leaders even mention Hebrews 10:26? An IHOP example — so close and yet so far away — from full REVIVAL 🙁

They kept asking, even telling God to come, but the Holy Spirit couldn’t come in His fullness as He has done in so many previous revivals, including Acts 5 — which is just what is supposed to be normal Christianity. God wants to live among us in a very real way.
There was Allen Hood’s false salvation teaching, but there was also key exhortation that was curiously absent. I kept waiting and waiting and waiting…. The main theme of the Asbury revival (that they must have known about, having studied revival history) was totally missing: the importance of getting right with each other: Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’” Not once, did I hear one of the leaders say we need to get right with each other. Not once!!! As if Asbury never happened.
IHOP also ignored the church history that God emphasized to Shelley Hundley in a dream. He showed her specifically how Jonathan Edwards was a key example for them. But Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God was the opposite of what Allen Hood kept repeating over and over: God loves us no matter what we do — the prevalent teaching in churchianity today — but the truth is still what the Bible clearly teaches: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

There was a key reason that God emphasized Jonathan Edwards, who taught the fear of the Lord, front and center, while Allen taught against the idea that the fear of the Lord applies to ‘Christians’ — except as to what we’ll have to go through on earth. See this.
IHOP was trying to bring in the revival without the Biblical requirement for holiness taught for us to just be real Christians. Only the pure in heart will see God. At Asbury, the Christians publicly confessed their sins. They did James 4, while the IHOP awakening meetings were largely just partysville. From God’s Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4:

God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy [partysville joy, not fruit-of-the-Holy-Spirit joy] to gloom.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.

There was mixture at IHOP. Holiness was an option, not a necessity for those who are God’s children, so many opted out; though, they wanted the blessing of being in God’s fullness while still being too fully in the world — not having even been told to get right with their neighbors so God could come.
Jesus greatly desires us to be ONE. He longs for us to be ONE. Only then will the world know, He said in John 17. Now, the world smells a rat. There is so much unrepentant sin in the ‘church.” God can’t come until we’re ONE. So let’s become ONE! And this will happen when holiness is no longer an option, which is what the Bible really teaches.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” ‘Church’ leaders claim to be wise, but they’re fools when they teach that none of the warning scriptures apply to us; though, they were clearly written to new covenant believers.
This is the great deception. This is what is destroying America and keeping real Christianity, the Third Great Awakening from happening in our midst.
I wonder how many thousands of times I heard those at IHOP actually tell God to come. What gall, I’ve often thought — us telling God what to do when He can’t come in His manifest presence or many would flat out die. How dare we, when He is the Potter and we are the clay.
I think it’s mainly a matter of one church somewhere getting their doctrines right and living accordingly. That will start the Third Great Awakening.
The positive message here is that when we get our doctrines right — especially regarding who goes to heaven — and when we live within what the Bible really says, we will have revival. It will be automatic follow.
The unwavering principle is “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.” It’s not complicated. The Third Great Awakening didn’t happen at IHOP because those who are truly Christ’s wasn’t even taught. “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh” (Paul in Galatians 5). The opposite was actually taught. “People were pacified.”
“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” Who are the humble? Those who obey. Who are those who obey? Those who actually really do love the Lord, our God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength, and who really do love their neighbors as themselves.
That means we have to do Asbury. We have to get right with everybody we’ve hurt. We need to humble ourselves before God and each other. I believe the community that will do this will bring in the Third Great Awakening.
Many good things happened at IHOP. I don’t want to minimize the good. I gave much applause in this blog. I think Wes Hall, especially did a lot of good. I really like Wes!  I think Wes and some of the others even plowed  ground that will make it easier for the Third Great Awakening to happen. But Allen’s reverse-Bible salvation killed it. False salvation doctrine poured water on the whole move.
And then “we bless You, Lord” songs turned more into “bless us, Lord” songs. That was another factor. How much of the worship was really worship — especially in Spirit and in truth? Straight-to-God “We worship You” songs were hardly ever sung. “Worship” was more man centered than “You are awesome!” People’s hearts weren’t right. I saw certain worship leaders start to sing real worship songs, but it’s like the crowd wasn’t ready. They poured poured water on the coals, and rarely did the worship leaders have the courage to fully try again.
Only new wineskins can hold the New Wine, God Himself. It’s really simple. We can’t expect God to move among us differently than He did in previous revivals where the people really repented.

God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.

Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to gloom.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.

We shouldn’t be telling God what to do. We need to do what is right and then He will come. This is guaranteed when we really do humble ourselves to His standard.
Then He will come. We’ll see great miracles! The joy of the Lord will be our strength!
We can have a permanent Asbury where there will be no doubt that God is among us. But first, we need to get our salvation doctrine right.
Or America has to totally fall and we lose everything. Maybe that would also bring about real repentance. But why are we going to wait until then?
We can have revival now. It’s just a matter of us doing what we already know to do — what the Holy Spirit has been convicting us of.
False teachers should step down. Those who teach the truth will bring in this next move.
Luther didn’t get it, yet most pastors basically teach what Luther taught. Some follow John Calvin, but he didn’t get it either. And certainly the Catholic Church didn’t get it. So let’s get it!
We need to believe what Jesus, Paul, James, John, and what the writer to the Hebrews taught.
Then we’ll see heart-soaring, pure revival come!
Related:
My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified
False, revival killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings 🙁
FALSE DOCTRINE: Why won’t Christian leaders even mention Hebrews 10:26? An IHOP example — so close and yet so far away — from full REVIVAL 🙁
Here is an example (if you listen to the audio) of how close (and yet so far away) Mike Bickle (head of IHOP) is to the truth about who goes to heaven
Mike Bickle, Head of IHOP: From Porn to Worship “Within the Minute?” Yikes, Mike!
(video) The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next, even greater revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!
Tommy Welchel on William Seymour and Charles Parham’s 100-Year Prophecy: On the same day in 1909, hundreds of miles apart, they both prophesied God’s visible shekina glory would return to earth after 100 years, but this time everywhere!
Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s *1909 prophecy* of the SHEKINAH GLORY RETURNING to the church *in 100 years*: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. ..the fear of God was on the community, and…they were highly esteemed” | My theory …

Smith Wigglesworth: “THE LAST DAY REVIVAL WILL BE THE GREATEST revival this world has ever seen!”

(audio) Sid Roth on ‘Coast to Coast AM’ 9/1/13: Miracles & Healing — Why did the Azusa St. revival stop (1906-1909)? William Seymour “became too sophisticated for the box” — to hear and obey — but prophesied an even greater revival would happen in 100 years!
Sid Roth: The missing ingredient, speaking in tongues — “I believe that God wants to restore this gift for the last great push of God’s spirit”
Effects of the WELSH REVIVAL 1904-05: Whole communities were radically changed FROM DEPRAVITY TO GLORIOUS GOODNESS. The CRIME RATE dropped, often to nothing. THE POLICE had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings. THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. People who had fallen out BECAME FRIENDS AGAIN!!!!!!!
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”
Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy
All of my Lust Freedom! posts (in reverse-chronological order)

All of my Who Goes to Heaven posts (in reverse-chronological order)
All of my IHOP posts (in reverse-chronological order)

‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not? — The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest reaction yet on our Facebook page…

From: johnthebaptisttv.com (Andrew Strom)

‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not?

The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest
reaction yet on our Facebook page. We are now discussing it on
our new website – where ANYONE can now comment (not just
members). Here is the quote and a few replies to kick things off!-

The QUOTE:

“Get rid of this bunkum about the ‘carnal Christian’. Forget it! If
you’re carnal, you’re not saved.” – Leonard Ravenhill.

Some REPLIES:

A.M – “Well the Bible is white and black, there is no gray, either
you’re with Christ or you are against Him.
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather
with me, scatters.””

R.B – “I have enjoyed reading through all the comments regarding
this qoute. In my opinion, and correct me if am wrong Andrew, but
I feel that the meaning of this qoute is refing to those who habitually
live in carnality. I think that every Christian falls into carnallity from
time to time, does that make them “unsaved”? I don’t think so.”

L.C – “Well I don’t agree on this one! The Bible speaks of carnal
“Christians”! In 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 Paul is speaking to the
Corinthian BELIEVERS when he tells them he couldn’t speak to
them as spiritual (one governed by the Spirit) but as carnal, mere
infants in Christ.”

A.M – “If you read 1 corinthians Paul is rebuking them for
being carnal, not condoning it.”

Olive Branch – “Without the phrase (‘Carnal Christian’) many so
called Christians have no way of justifying their sin.”

– Have something important to say on this?
Please add your comment below-

Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on May 5th, 2010 at 1:26 am.
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Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way  | Who are the Children of God?

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

See at my personal blog:

One of my pastor friends died on Saturday —
and I’m not sure where he now is

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Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

I re-wrote the Romans 8 portion of "Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way" — What Romans 8 really says…

[…]
This is what Paul really says.

Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace….

12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abbaa! Father!”

16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

Excerpt from Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Romans 8:1 is one of the most commonly mistaught scriptures, largely because of certain faulty modern Bible translations like Rupert Murdoch’s NIV:

“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” The NIV stops there, but the KJV, NKJV and others keep Paul’s complete thought: who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.” (WEB)

And we know this is the correct interpretation to what Paul means to be in Christ Jesus because of what Paul also says in verse four: “that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

Most pastors are teaching that the “no condemnation” from being “in Christ Jesus,” is automatic because Christ died for us and we accepted his free gift. But that’s not what Paul taught at all. It is so clear.

Those “who are in Christ Jesus” have “no condemnation” because they “don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit”—by God’s grace, of course.

Most ‘Christians,’ today, rightfully feel condemnation because they are in one or more areas walking after the flesh and not putting to death the misdeads of the body by the Holy Spirit. Compare what Paul says in Galatians 5:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.

Most pastors are confidence men (con-men) who go to great lengths to convince the people that the condemnation they feel is really from the Devil, because born-again Christians can’t be under condemnation because of what Paul says in Romans 8:1a. They’re totally deceiving the public.

Most ‘Christians’ and pastors constantly live in condemnation. And instead of living totally clean and getting right with those they’ve hurt so they can be free from condemnation, they actually seek comfort from the positive-encouragement K-LOVE propaganda that tells listeners that we’re okay with God no matter what. The “never let go” songs are so popular, while we should really be listening to our-heart-to-God’s real worship music, which hardly gets played at all. Most ‘Christians’ can’t worship in Spirit and in truth because their hearts aren’t right.

“If therefore you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you,leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. (Mt. 5:23, 24)

In ‘church,’ today, it’s all about “I’m okay, you’re okay,” and this simply is not true. “God’s people” aren’t even repenting from supporting the United States’ immoral, reverse-Christian wars. Abortion is deemed so bad while it’s okay to kill hundreds of thousands of full grown humans who never did anything to us, and who are mostly now in Hell (abortion is despicable, but at least the babies go to heaven). We slaughtered them in the name of God and country. America gets what it deserves. We are now becoming a police state, and the end of America may soon be at hand, all because the ‘Christians’ are no longer salt and light. See: The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit?

The fear of God has been removed from pastors’ vocabularies and from the songs that are played. The Bible has been gutted. Satan knew he couldn’t get away with adding words to the Bible, so instead, he took them out, largely through his servants, Wescott and Hort.

Paul continues to explain who goes to heaven in the middle of Romans 8, as well as in Romans 11, but pastors are leading the church astray by focusing instead on Romans 8:1a and the last part of the chapter which says nothing can separate us from the love of Christ; though, Paul was referring to those who are truly in Christ Jesus according to what he had previously said in chapter 8.

Americans are getting brainwashed/ mind-controlled. That is what is happening in most churches and on most ‘Christian’ radio and TV today. The deception in the last days is indeed great and almost universal! “Come out from them and be separate” is the remedy.

This is what Paul really says.

Romans 8:1-19

Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace….

12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abbaa! Father!”

16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

Rom. 11:1; 20-23

1 I ask then, Did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. …
20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don’t be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches [the Jews], neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 They also, if they don’t continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus was an example on earth that we should follow in his steps. And having read the warning scriptures that describe what will happen to us if we fall away, “working out our salvation with fear and trembling” as the Holy Spirit enables us to makes total sense.

Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way  | Who are the Children of God?

Salvation: 1 of 4 popular formulas — OR — being right with God and people, by His grace/enablement, "working out our own salvation through fear and trembling?" (Paul's words)

I just have to say something.
I’m having an email discussion with a friend about who goes to heaven, and so much of what he’s saying is based on a formula, instead of “am I right with God because I’m really right with God and people?”
There are many formulas out there. In Lutheranism, it’s about getting infant baptized and confirmation — and perhaps communion. Based on this, Luther said: Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”.
In Catholicism, it’s also largely about baptism and the eucharist. Some still practice confession, but this is to a ‘priest’ (which have been done away with in the New Covenant where Jesus is our Priest), and rarely are those confessing actually told to get right with those they hurt. Say a certain number of “Hail Mary’s” or whatever and you’re scot free. Sad.
And for many evangelicals, it’s mainly about getting truly born-again, getting ‘saved.’ “It’s all about what He did for me.” “Grace.” “He’ll never let go; He’ll never let go; never let go….” Romans 8:1 has been gutted to put the responsibility all on God: “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
Another popular formula is Calvinism, which has always been to me so unbelievably out there, perhaps because I didn’t grow up among it. It shocks me when I find people who actually believe this. It’s kind of an ego/hubris thing, at least for many. Calvinists seem to think they are special because God chose them. In their way of thinking, Jesus didn’t die for everyone, just those Whom He chose, the elect, and God will be faithful to complete His work in them no matter how they respond, as long as they are truly chosen.
In my article,  Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, I chose to simply show what the Bible straightforwardly says about who goes to heaven and who really are God’s children.
Most of the above formulas are pulled mainly from a few key texts, some of which are in Paul’s introductions, in which he is just starting to formulate his ideas. We need to look at the development of Paul’s thought and particularly tune into his conclusions, which, by the way, agree with those of Jesus, John, James, the writer of Hebrews, etc..
These conclusions are that we need to truly be right with God to go to heaven. “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
The Devil wants us to focus on formulas and abstract theories, while Christianity and salvation is actually more simple, more straightforward — common sense.
Christianity is about relationships: having a right relationship with God and with those around us. Then we can rest. Then we are abiding in Him — “in Christ Jesus.”
Will we have faith to enter when it is our time to be judged? Will our conscience condemn us, or will we stand before Him clean? Then our names won’t be removed from the Book of Life (Rev. 3:1-6). Numerous scriptures point this out.
We’ll have faith because we’re clean — not just because of what Jesus did — but because we lived in Him, righteous, by His grace we overcame. We didn’t shrink back. We made sure that we stayed right with Him. We’re supposed to walk like Jesus walked. We can’t just do our own thing and think it’s okay because of some formula. “Without holiness, no man will see God.”
He died so we might have life — living in the Son. “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh” (Gal. 5). We must obey. Obedience isn’t an option, because Christianity is about right relationships, not whether we fit into a formula, the demonic spins designed to distract us from what really is important.
Christianity is loving the Lord, our God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves.
Because ‘Christianity’ has largely abandoned the Greatest Two Commandments criteria, our society reflects this, and America is on its last breath.
Regarding predestination and election, I don’t think any of us fully understand it. I don’t think we’re supposed to. The main thing to realize is that when Paul warned Christians about falling away, he was writing to Christians whom he considered the predestined elect. What Paul wrote applied to them, then, and applies to us today.
We don’t need to understand foreknowledge, predestination and election. I’m not concerned about it. I believe that Jesus died for everyone, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth.
I’m concerned with how Jesus, Paul, John, the writer to the Hebrews, James and others said we should live — and their warnings apply to us. What happens if we choose to not obey? This is what we should all be focusing on — getting it all right — living so right.
Then ONE will happen, and no matter what comes down in these coming years, we’ll be spiritually ready — eternally secure.
I know that I have a free will, and I know that I’m truly born again, just as very many really are. If I wanted to, I could live a willfully disobedient life and then go to Hell. But I choose to work out my salvation through fear and trembling (Paul’s words). And each day I have to overcome.
It’s not easy, but it will be when we’re all living in Christ together — ONE. “Then the world will know” and we will be so full of joy!
We should be focused on living Jesus’ Greatest Two Commandments instead of justifying our rightness based upon some doctrine-of-demons formula.
Let’s be real Christians!
Jeff

Clarifying My Perspective on Divorce and ‘Marriage’: The Role of the Holy Spirit

[Updated 2/25/13]

I would like to add to what I said in:

My Theory on Divorce and ‘Marriage’: It’s Time to Get Out of UNBIBLICAL ‘Marriages.’ — “God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.” We must all be clean!

I also wrote:

Divorce and ‘Marriage,’ Part 3: The Anointing — “Tell them about Pastor E.”

Jesus was very straightforward in His stand on marriage and divorce in Matthew 5, as I show in the above article. But what about the gray areas, the rare situations that don’t totally fit within what Jesus said?

HUGE QUALIFIER: whom we date and marry is one of the most emotional issues we may ever have, if not the most. It’s so easy to hear the voice of the enemy leading us to do sinful things if we’ve given demons a place and we aren’t totally, 100% submitted to God’s will. Jesus gave us the standard in Mt. 5. If we hear an exception that He didn’t give we better be absolutely sure it was the Holy Spirit and not an impostor.  The most extreme carefulness needs to be applied. Most ‘Christians’ are currently not at that level of submission to the Holy Spirit. There should only be One Voice, and we all need to be 100% willing to do whatever God is leading us to do regarding whom to marry. As I said in the previous article, if James says we must be submitted to God’s will as to where to live, surely whom we intimately spend the rest of our lives with is more important…. Many have lost their anointing and are in a state of losing their salvation because they weren’t careful enough. We must be Spirit-led, not feelings-led.

Jesus told the disciples there were many more things He would tell them, but they couldn’t bear to hear them all at that time, so He would send the comforter, the Holy Spirit Whom will lead us into all truth. The Bible isn’t supposed to have specific answers for everything. We’re supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God” (Romans 8:14). “This is the normal Christian life,” I believe I just heard. This certainly is true. See: A Call to Intimacy: The Holy Spirit in John’s Gospel & Epistles, by Jeff Fenske. The fact that this isn’t true in most Christians’ lives today just shows how far off course we are from the true gospel — and why ‘churches’ and countries are in such a mess.

Jesus explained to the disciples in John 14:

14:16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever,– 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

18 I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you.

16:12 “I have yet many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak.

John continues in 1 John:

20 You have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.

27 As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

If we’re abiding in Him, the Holy Spirit, He will then teach us concerning all things, especially regarding major issues like whom we should marry.
When we leave the Holy Spirit and do our own thing, that’s when we get into trouble. We should always make sure we have entered into our rest, the place where we are right with God and people — enjoying the peace of God that is beyond all understanding.

When pastors and the people think we can be Christians without remaining in Him no wonder the church is in such disarray. We were never meant to be led by the Bible alone.

The role of the Holy Spirit is downplayed, largely because of the old covenant tithing teaching (which pastors push so they get money even if the Holy Spirit isn’t leading people to give to them). Following the Bible alone, sola scriptura has been the emphasis. And trying to follow the written word without abiding in the Spirit of truth “is a recipe for chaos.” And that’s what we have.

The result is what Luther came to believe — that we can’t really do what Jesus said we must do. The Sermon on the Mount is just an ideal. We’re sinners saved by grace. So ‘don’t worry about what we do,’  ‘all we have to do is believe’ completely fails God’s parameters.

When willfully sinning, knowingly unclean believers stand before Jesus, He’ll say “depart from me, workers of iniquity.” Like Isaiah, seeing the Holy God while in his sin: “Woe is me!” And then it will be too late.

Jeff

Related:

My Theory on Divorce and ‘Marriage’: It’s Time to Get Out of UNBIBLICAL ‘Marriages.’ — “God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.” We must all be clean!

Divorce and ‘Marriage,’ Part 3: The Anointing — “Tell them about Pastor E.”

(video) David Pawson Interview on “Divorce & Remarriage” — Unbiblically married? What to do…

Regarding the specifics of who goes to heaven, who are the children of God, who will have faith to enter, I wrote this article which no one can refute: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Can a Christian Have a Demon? Absolutely! Most Have Many!

[Lust “the poison that kills the soul” FREEDOM] My experience: How DEMONS DRIVE heterosexual and homosexual lust in ‘Christians’ — The bad news is that demons drive lust. The good news is that demons drive lust, because…

"Abbott Loop must be ONE." Let's escape the deception and go onto unity!

I’ve desired to write this post ever since I heard this message, but I wanted to post the ALCC-goals photo first. I’m tired of being called ‘divisive’ when I’ve been calling for unity all along. And we can only be unified when we realize that loving each other as much as we love ourselves isn’t an option if we are to be going-to-heaven, real Christians. And this has not been done.
Do we mean this or not? Many are waiting:

The only way I see John-17 unity happening (short of a total collapse of our nation) is for us to get certain doctrines right, especially our salvation doctrine, which
This is why who goes to heaven is such a big key. It’s not only about where we spend eternity, but it’s about getting real Christianity happening now, which I believe will bring about the Third Great Awakening happening now — here in Anchorage? Why not? We can do it!

What I’m addressing here was said publicly (it’s even online at abbottloop.org… and as a podcast), so I’m responding publicly. We can’t let our egos get in the way. This is about life and death. This is the greatest deception that I’m convinced is the fundamental reason for the fall of America, let alone the horrendous stats of such a tiny percentage of ‘Christians’ actually going to heaven. See How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%?!!
Pastor Joshua Tanner said this in his Sunday message, 7/18/10, entitled: Collossians 2:1-10 “United in Him”:

“Verse 4 [of Col. 2]: ‘Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words.’

You know that I really think deception is the key thing that the Devil wants to bring into the church, because he knows that Jesus has got your heart.

I think [it’s] virtually impossible to deceive someone so much that they lose their salvation. This is my personal opinion.” (And Josh has taught this before. See my link, below.)

The truth is that we don’t have to wonder about what the Bible says. The Bible specifically teaches that it’s easy to lose ones salvation. And Paul directly answers this question in Galatians:

7 Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh [5:19-21] will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit [5:16-18, 22-24] will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Here is the full text, which includes Paul’s most complete lists of who goes to heaven and who doesn’t, and most Christians are clearly not fully in the who-goes-to-heaven list, including most pastors.

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let’s not become conceited, provoking one another, and envying one another.

1 Brothers, even if a man is caught in some fault, you who are spiritual must restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to yourself so that you also aren’t tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if a man thinks himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each man test his own work, and then he will take pride in himself and not in his neighbor. 5 For each man will bear his own burden.

6 But let him who is taught in the word share all good things with him who teaches. 7 Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh [5:19-21] will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit [5:16-18, 22-24] will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don’t give up.

10 So then, as we have opportunity, let’s do what is good toward all men, and especially toward those who are of the household of the faith.

It’s crucial that we come to an understanding about what the Bible really teaches. Then we can become ONE in Him. “Then the world will know” (Jesus in John 17) — and we will be so happy!!!
We can lead the world into revival!
Jeff Fenske : )
Related:
Abbott Loop has apparently joined the once-saved-always-saved camp — “the doctrine that’s bringing US down into the pit” and keeping us apart. But what does the Bible really say?
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
My $6,000 Challenge! I will give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my “Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way” article
Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved

The Neutered Gospel — With hammer and chisel in hand we began to sculpt our new and improved deity — always smiling — and no matter what you do, God is holding onto you so tightly that you’ll never be able to get away

“Preachersplay the therapist, speaking soothing words, in a soothing tone, ensuring anyone within earshot that everything’s going to be alright, that God has mellowed over the centuries, and as long as they ‘bring the tithe into the storehouse’ God will overlook everything else.

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[If the name of the author sounds familiar, Michael Boldea was Dumitru Duduman’s interpreter: Dumitru Duduman: Wake Up America.]
This article is an excellent example of how we need prophetic people to help bring us back into reality, for the American ‘church’ really has neutered God in their thinking and teaching
We all need each other!
For me personally, I can truly say this “farce of a faith” (Boldeas’ term) that the American Gospel has turned into no longer even feels partly right. It’s witchcraft, because: it’s rebellion, which the Bible says is witchcraft, and because it’s based on false doctrines, doctrines of demons.
It also feels so awful because we can look at the destruction it has left in its wake! Look at what we’ve turned into, a nation full of murderers. Even the church is calling for, and not repenting for preemptive wars that have killed many hundreds of thousands.
And if we could only see the actual faces of those who have died and are now in hell, thinking they were saved because they prayed this one prayer. This deception is serious!!! And we’re influencing the whole world with this muck.
It also doesn’t feel right when God is no longer to be feared, when we’re told He won’t hold us accountable for willful sinning/rebellion, according to today’s gospel.
It doesn’t feel right, and it isn’t right now that the American ‘church’ has removed part of the nature of God to fulfill our lusts without fear of punishment.
We’ve made God trendy, a bud who hangs with us no matter what we do, whom we lust at, whom we curse or lie to, whom we hate. “Oh, they deserve it….” And we have become little gods, taking our own revenge — not really caring about what the Bible really says. God is a latte. He tastes good; he makes us feel good. “With hammer and chisel in hand we began to sculpt our new and improved deity.”
We make a mockery of God when God no longer needs to be sought and honored. We put ourselves as high as Him when we think we can be lord of our own lives, not needing to submit to the One Who’ll never let go no matter what we do — so the song says — but the Bible does not, as I’ve shown over and over in this blog. The Bible is so clear. How can we miss it: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
I wonder more and more if ‘Christians’ even care about what the Bible really says. They like this new god.
Many pastors teach that the fear of God isn’t fear but respect. But can we on earth really respect Him if we don’t fear what He will do to us if we don’t respect Him? How can we respect a God who will not judge ‘Christians’ who willfully lust after your daughters (thinking “God will never let go”), who James-3-curse those of us who rightfully say they’re not qualified to lead until they get right with those they’ve hurt. And then they lie and hate. But they’ll all go to heaven because they said this little prayer that they really meant. They call themselves ‘Christians’ and ‘men of God,’ yet they’re hearts are dark, which they mask with a smile.
And God won’t judge them, just take away some of their rewards?? Then where is justice? Just say this little prayer….
We don’t need to get right with God to save this nation from external or internal collapse. We just need to elect politicians who will send our men and women to kill the Muslims over there, whom our Republican leaders said took down the towers. [see my 9/11 Truth posts at ToBeFree to find out the truth]
So will kill over a million because of 3,000. Sounds like revenge to me. But abortion is murder. Abortion is so bad, but killing hundreds of thousands of people who didn’t do anything to us is being patriotic. Abortion is murder, but the victims will not go to hell. Most of those we bomb from the sky are now in hell. And whose hands are stained with their blood?
But we don’t need to repent. Our ‘God’ is our friend no matter what. We don’t have to apologize for being doofs, unfeeling, unloving, unkind, selfish and stuffed Americans.
But God is not mocked. What we reap we will sow. And Paul is writing to Christians about eternal life, you all — Galatians 5 and 6.
This is no joke. We need to get on our faces. How in the world do we think we can get away with this when we see Jesus face to face? Not only do we openly support preemptive wars, pushing for our 3rd one now (none of which have proven to be justified), but these are fought in Jesus’ name, turning the world against US and Jesus. They know these wars are not just, whether ‘Christians’ do or not.
It does really seem like the core problem in the ‘church,’ today is doctrine. And this clearly includes the doctrine of who God is. Satan has succeeded in his once-saved-always-saved deception by inspiring ‘Christian leaders’ to gut the Word of God, throwing out the Scriptures that tell the truth about who really goes to heaven and who really are God’s children.
Doctrine really is the key.
Jeff Fenske

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From: mikeboldea.blogspot.com…

The Neutered Gospel

I will say the following plainly, because I could think of no other way of saying it. At the risk of bringing the readership of this blog to zero, at the risk of having to wade through dozens of less than friendly e-mails, the following must be stated, and clearly so.

If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years have never once made you feel uncomfortable then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message. If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years have never once challenged you then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message. If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years haven’t accentuated Christ and the cross in perpetuity then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message. If the gospel messages you’ve been hearing lo’ these many years have never once stirred you to repentance, prompted inward introspection, humbled you, caused you to weep and truly see the enormity of your sin, then you’ve never really heard the true gospel message, but a neutered version wherein God is always smiling, the sun is always shining, the birds are always chirping and no matter what you do, God’s holding onto you so tight that you’ll never be able to get away.

In this brave new world of ours, pastors have redefined their roles and become life coaches, no longer preaching a crucified Christ, but rather playing the part of guidance counselor to scores of individuals that can be likened to overactive, petulant, and overgrown children who will not accept being accountable to anyone, be they God or man.

Preachers too have redefined their roles and rather than be concerned about the spiritual wellbeing of those to whom they are ministering they play the therapist, speaking soothing words, in a soothing tone, ensuring anyone within earshot that everything’s going to be alright, that God has mellowed over the centuries, and as long as they ‘bring the tithe into the storehouse’ God will overlook everything else.

It is an understatement when I say that there is enough blame to go around for the farce of a faith many are presenting, living and promulgating today, and the sheep are just as much to blame as the shepherds. In the end these so called shepherds are just giving the people what they wanted aren’t they?

If you preach the truth, if you preach the unadulterated Word of God, wherever you happen to be, you are bound to hear those famous words that seem to be on everyone’s lips nowadays: ‘That’s not the god I serve!’

I’ve heard it more times than I would like to recall, and no matter how often I hear it, it’s still shocking.

‘I don’t like your god, your god is mean, that’s not the god I serve.’

‘But all I did was read from His book’, I would retort, ‘all I did was read from the Bible!’

If you hear the truth being preached, if someone is reading out of the Bible and in your heart you say ‘that’s not the god I serve’, then may I humbly submit to you that you are not serving the true God, but a god of your own making and imagining. A god that you have fashioned in your heart who requires no submission, who requires no obedience, who requires no sacrifice on your part, but is more than happy to let you win the lotto time and again.

It is because we have refashioned and remade God in our own image that the neutered gospel is so widely accepted and received. It is because we didn’t like what God had to say that we chose rebellion rather than submission, and with hammer and chisel in hand we began to sculpt our new and improved deity.

Like the prophets of Baal however, we will know the true impotence of the gods we’ve fashioned when we need them most. When we see the gods of our own making for what they truly are, nothing more than mists and vanities, it will be too late, and though we might cut ourselves and bleed, though we might cry out to the heavens for a sign, these deities we so revel in today, these gods we so honor and worship will remain silent as the empty tomb from which the Christ, the Son of the one true God walked out of two millennia ago.

With love in Christ,
Michael Boldea Jr.

Kevin Conner: Doctrine Determines the Health of the Church

So what does this say about what’s required for full revival to happen?

My answer, below.

– jeff

“Good doctrine produces
good Christians and good churches.

Bad doctrine or no doctrine produces
weak Christians and weak churches.”

Kevin Conner, theologian —
one of my teachers at Abbott Loop’s Bible School in 1984

Quote transcribed by myself
from Rick Benjamin’s PowerPoint slide
during last night’s introduction
to the doctrinal classes that ALCC is now offering.

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Could we then say that:

“The false doctrine of eternal security produces
false ‘Christians’ and false churches.

Whereas:

“Great doctrine produces
great Christians and great churches…

the Third Great Awakening?!!!!!!!”

Related:

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

Charles Finney: ETERNAL SECURITY is a TICKET TO HELL — “If a person gets the idea that because he is converted therefore he will assuredly go to heaven, that man will almost assuredly go to hell”

Charles Finney (1835): Instruction of Young Converts — “AIM AT BEING PERFECT. It should be their constant purpose to live wholly to God…. IF THEY SHOULD SIN it would be an inconsistency…. THEY OUGHT NOT TO SIN AT ALL; they are bound to be as holy as God is. And young converts should be taught to set out in the right course OR THEY WILL NEVER BE RIGHT”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT

(video) How to speak in other tongues as the Holy Spirit leads you

David Anders: "Luther profoundly misread Paul"

“I concluded –
on the basis of hard, cold, unemotional exegesis –
that Luther profoundly misread Paul.”

– David Anders

My friend, Dave and I came to this same conclusion, but so far, he has gone one way and I another — explained in My friend, David Anders on Catholic TV, which also gives the source of this quote.

Jeff Fenske

Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

My friend, David Anders on Catholic TV

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qibg-m2vUno]EWTN Live – Protestant Theology – Fr. Mitch Pacwa, S.J. with David Anders – 06-23-2010

EWTN | June 24, 2010 | 56 minutes

I got an email from Dave Anders’ wife, Jill, giving me the link to this TV interview of one of my best friends ever. Dave and Jill are really great people!
Dave, Jill and I became good friends while Dave and I were attending seminary at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. I’ve said to them more than once that I wish we could have lived across the street from each other since, instead of being thousands of miles away. My guess is that if we had stayed in close fellowship we’d probably be on the same page now, theologically. But even if this never happens, I know we’ll always be close friends, even if our conflicting faiths try to keep us apart.
Dave is a history buff, going on to get his Ph.D.. He has a lightning quick, nearly photographic memory and can digest a huge amount of material. Whereas, my memory is probably just average, and I’m slow and methodical, covering much less territory, but with a fine-tooth comb. I chew on stuff, thinking it through, making sure. And history was my minor, not my major. Dave and I come to conclusions much differently.
Having been geographically apart for so many years, I’m only now seeing the reasoning he used to come to his decision to leave evangelicalism and become a Catholic. It’s interesting that we’ve both seen the contradictions in evangelical thought, but we used different tools and methods to end up on these way different pages.
I absolutely know that Dave has a pure heart, and he won’t be offended by this critique. But I’m going to challenge him too. We still have time to work this out. I think at the very least, when he sees ONE happen (Jesus’ heart-cry for us in John 17 — what this site is largely about) outside of the Catholic church, he’ll know, just as Jesus said in John 17: “Then the world will know.”
Much of the world sees the serious problems in today’s evangelicalism (which both Dave and I observed), but it’s also obvious to the world that the Catholic church leaders have a severely reverse-Christian reputation, because… You know. At least the Catholics aren’t pushing pro-reverse-Christian wars like the protestants are.
But it’s also clear that the scriptures I present in my header at the top of this site aren’t being realized in either of these religions, currently. To me, if we’re not doing the greatest two commandments then we don’t have real Christianity, the true church — “by their fruits you will know them.” But apparently, for Dave, the true church always exists as the Catholic church, whether there is good fruit or not.
I believe that real Christianity happened for a time in the early church. Like in Acts, when they were all in one accord and the presence of God was so strong that those outside were literally afraid. And there was great respect for the church. “Then the world will know” already happened then, but it was soon falling apart, even in what we read in Jesus’ letters to the churches in Revelation.
Like Dave, I’ve found the early church fathers’ writings to be interesting, but I think we’re looking for different things. In my studies, I’ve been looking for evidence of where God was actively showing up, where there was the presence of God, not just mere mental ascent. Paul said: “don’t be drunk with wine but be filled with the Holy Spirit.” In one of these interviews, Dave talks about not feeling anything and that’s okay. But I believe we’re supposed to be filled with the Spirit, and that this will be a tangible thing.
So unlike Dave, I’m not impressed with Augustine, or the so many church fathers who I think really didn’t really understand and experience real Christianity the way it is supposed to be. Dave thinks Augustine is significant, while I think he didn’t get it. While we both agree that Luther and Calvin didn’t get it. Neither understood Paul.
I still believe in restoration theology: that the church did at one time have it together, and has at times since, while Dave now believes that basically, “the church” never really lost it, because of apostolic succession. “The Church” has always been the church.
We both agree that sola scriptura (the Bible alone) is not a biblical concept; though, I don’t believe that our traditions can be correct if they disagree with the Bible. I believe the Bible can be totally trusted.
Apparently(Dave, correct me if I’m wrong), Dave now believes the Catholic leaders decide what true doctrine is — that tradition is king.
I don’t believe in apostolic succession, or in Popes, or in “Fathers,” or in the continuation of the priesthood into the new covenant. The veil has been rent. Jesus is our only priest. Now we go directly to Him.
As does David, I discount sola scriptura (scripture only), but not because I elevate tradition. Rather, I believe that God gives the people the ability to determine what is right, because He’s given us the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth. John said in 1 John 2:26, 27:

These things I have written to you concerning those who would lead you astray. As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

I’m very surprised that Dave is saying hardly anything about the Holy Spirit. But for the Bible writers, the Holy Spirit is a huge factor — God, Himself giving us the ability to understand all things without someone dressed in a robe telling us what to do.
I also believe that true leaders will teach the people how to be led by the Holy Spirit. True leaders will teach the people how to abide in Christ to the degree that we will hear His voice and follow Him.
To me, the Bible and the Holy Spirit should be the emphasis. To Catholics, apparently the church leaders’ doctrines are the emphasis. To evangelicals, what pastors and K-LOVE says seems to be the emphasis; though, some claim sola scriptura. But they clearly have a canon within the Canon, emphasizing their favorite texts while totally ignoring those that disagree with their once-saved, always saved (or “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation) doctrines.
Paul said “follow me as I follow Christ.” Catholic leaders just say “follow us, regardless.” And Dave said he struggled with the bad popes, but then decided that God’s plan was carried out through even them. Huh? Dave? I wonder how many billions of people are in hell because of the Catholic church right now, based upon what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven. People are blindly trusting in biblically disqualified leaders instead of making sure they are abiding in Christ, themselves. This deception is huge!
And for those who have read my writings, you know that I don’t think the evangelicals are doing much better. Many are doing even worse in their once-saved-always-saved (or similar) deception.
Dave considers the sacraments to be much more important than I do. And he believes that the bread and wine in the Eucharist/communion isn’t just representational. I’m open to the idea that the sacraments should mean more than they do to evangelicals. And I don’t know what to think regarding “the real presence” and the other theories about the bread and the wine being Christ’s body and blood or not. Perhaps the Holy Spirit will lead us into what is fully true regarding this, but I still think this is minor when compared to these other things.
I don’t see evidence for baptizing infants in the Bible or in the Didache (an early church fathers’ writing that I think is significant). The person getting baptized believing is mentioned in both cases. I don’t think converts should put it off though, like I did for a few years.
I was surprised to hear that Dave no longer believes in a born-again conversion when one is old enough to commit. Apparently, he believes that Catholic baptism + nothing = salvation. This is close to what the Lutherans still teach; though, it would be a Lutheran baptism. This is a huge deception — very dangerous, especially when there are so many clear texts that say what is required to go to heaven that don’t mention baptism at all.
The Bible teaches personal responsibility, now that we have the Holy Spirit inside of us. The Catholic Church teaches putting full trust in the priests and sacraments. I don’t see it. This is yuck to the max! The Devil must like and support this just as he pushes and enjoys once saved, always saved.
“By their fruits you will know them” indicates that the Catholic Church and the evangelicals aren’t yet fully enough them. What the Bible says the church is supposed to be isn’t happening in either camp. The Devil wants us to sit on our laurels and act like we’ve arrived, when we clearly haven’t.
When ONE happens, “then the world will know.”
Let us be ONE!!!

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An earlier interview from: EWTN

20. Program Name: Former Presbyterian
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Series Name: The Journey Home
Host: Marcus Grodi with Dr. David Anders
Date Produced: 2/8/2010
Description: Dr. Anders shares with us his experience as a Presbyterian seminarian studying the Church Fathers especially Augustine and what happened to Faith Alone, the Bible Alone among others, on his Journey Home.

David wrote How John Calvin Made me a Catholic, in which he says this in a comment:

I concluded – on the basis of hard, cold, unemotional exegesis – that Luther profoundly misread Paul. From this, I reexamined ecclesiology, and ultimately authority, and concluded that the Catholics had the better arguments.

I have given a broader account of my conversion here:
http://www.chnetwork.org/newsletters/may10.pdf

I have also given an interview that goes into more of the doctrinal basis for my conversion.
It is available online [the Marcus Grodi with Dr. David Anders interview posted above – editor]:
http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=-6892289

Also, in response to my historical claims about Calvin and Bolsec.
I deliberately left out most of the footnoting I would have included in an academic article.
If you would like more documentation, please examine my dissertation.
It is available at: http://disexpress.umi.com/dxweb#search

Prophets from the ranks of shepherds: John Calvin and the challenge of popular religion (1532–1555)
by Anders, Albert David Ph.D., The University of Iowa, 2002, 712 pages.

Related:
My Ph.D.-genius-friend, John Calvin expert: “In all my reading of Calvin, I don’t recall him ever apologizing for a mistake or admitting an error.” | According to Paul, can John Calvin be in heaven?
All of my The Catholic Deception posts
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Chip Brogden: What is Spiritual Unity? 'One in Him' is the key

From: fellowshipofthemartyrs.com…

What is Spiritual Unity? – Chip Brogden

by Chip Brogden, www.SchoolOfChrist.org

“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, – Jhn 17:21 – that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me” (John 17:20,21 ESV).

What constitutes unity?  Is it a church service or a home group?  Is it any gathering of Christians together?  Is it a meeting of like-minded brothers and sisters?

The prayers of Jesus give us remarkable insight into how He sees things.  Remember that He is the Final Authority.  However we may think or feel or see or understand things is beside the point.  God’s goal is for Christ to have the preeminence in all things – not us! In this Kingdom only His opinion matters. This means that our viewpoint must give way to His.  Particularly in the matter of fellowship, Christians are very opinionated.  But what does Truth say?

The SCIENCE of Divine Healing – by John G. Lake: "At one time I submitted myself to a series of EXPERIMENTS. It was not sufficient to know that God healed; I had to know how God healed."

From: http://hopefaithprayer.com/books/adventuresingod.pdf

At one time I submitted myself to a series of experiments. It was not sufficient to know that God healed; I had to know how God healed.

I visited one of the great experimental institutions and submitted myself for a series of experiments.

First, an instrument was attached to my head. This instrument had an indicator that would register the vibrations of the brain.

I began to repeat things like the 23rd Psalm to soothe the mind and reduce its vibrations to the lowest point. Then I repeated the 31st Psalm, the 35th chapter of Isaiah, the 91st Psalm, and Paul’s address before Agrippa.

After this, I went into secular literature and recited Tennyson’s “Charge of the Light Brigade” and finally Poe’s “The Raven” as I prayed in my heart that at the psychological moment, God would anoint my soul in the Holy Spirit.

My difficulty was that while reciting, I could not keep the Spirit from coming upon me. When I finished with “The Raven,” those in charge of the experiment said, “You are a phenomenon. You have a wider mental range than any human being we have ever seen.”

In reality, this was not so. It was because the Spirit of God kept coming upon me to such degree that I could feel the moving of the Spirit within me.

I prayed in my heart, “Lord God, if You will only lot the Spirit of God come like the lightnings of God upon my soul for two seconds, I know something is going to happen that these men have never seen before.

As I recited the last lines of the poem, suddenly The Spirit of God struck me in a burst of praise and tongues. The indicator on that instrument bounded to the limit and I haven’t the least idea how much further it would have gone if it had been possible.

The professors said, “We have never seen anything like it!” I replied, “Gentlemen, it is the Holy Ghost.”

In the second experiment, a powerful X-ray machine with microscopic attachments was connected to my head. The purpose was to see, if possible, what the action of the brain cells was.

I proceeded just as in the former experiment. First, I repeated Scriptures that were soothing those calculated to reduce the action of the cortex coils to their lowest possible register. Then I went to Scriptures which conveyed better and richer things until I reached the first chapter of John. As I began to recite this, the fires of God began to burn in my heart.

Suddenly, the Spirit of God came upon me as before, and the man who was behind me touched me. It was a signal to me to keep that poise of soul until one after another could look through the instrument.

Finally, when I let go, the Spirit subsided. The professors said, “Why, man, we cannot understand this, but the cortex cells expanded amazingly.”

I said to them, “Gentlemen, I want you to see one more thing. Go down in your hospital and bring back a man who has inflammation in the bone. Take your instrument and attach it to’ his leg. Leave enough space to get my hand on his leg. You can attach it to both sides.

When the instrument was ready, I put my hand on the man’s shin and prayed like Mother Etter’ prays: no strange prayer, but the cry of my heart to God.

I said, “God, kill the devilish disease by Your power. Let the Spirit move in him; let it live in him.”

Then I asked, “Gentlemen, what is taking place? They replied, “Every cell is responding.”

It is so simple: The life of God comes back into n part that is afflicted; immediately the blood flows; the closed, congested cells respond; and the work is done!

• • • •

Gets good at about the 9 minute mark

The SCIENCE of Divine Healing – by John G. Lake

fotm1 | December 21, 2009

Story time with Doug! A reading from …

John G. Lake, “The Complete Collection of His Life’s Teachings” compiled by Roberts Liardon.

More at http://www.FellowshipOfTheMartyrs.com

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THE PATRISTIC INTERPRETATION of ROMANS 7:14-25 — The early church did not understand Romans 7:14-25 to teach the necessity of sin in believers

No writer before the fourth century assigned the traditional Calvinistic interpretation to Romans 7:14-25.

The early church did not understand Rom 7:14-25 to teach the necessity of sin in believers.

From: Fundamental Wesleyan Publications

THE PATRISTIC INTERPRETATION of ROMANS 7:14-25

Part 1, The Early Christian Witness to the Arminian Interpretation

Daniel R. Jennings
Date Posted Dec. 4, 2009

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I (Rom 7:14-15).

Perhaps no other verses have been the subject of such intense debate as the above passage. To the Calvinist this passage represents a never-ending struggle with sin which will inevitably end in failure until the day one dies. For the Arminian it represents the life of spiritual struggle that God wants to deliver mankind from via the experience of regeneration.

While the best way to interpret a passage will always be to allow Scripture to interpret Scripture there is also much to be gained by studying the ways that the early Christians who followed in the footsteps of the Apostles interpreted a passage. It will be the purpose of this article to examine the ancient Christian interpretation of Romans chapter seven. This paper incorporates information from A Dissertation Of The True And Genuine Sense Of The Seventh Chapter Of St. Paul’s Epistle To The Romans by James Arminius, along with new research.

An extensive search of Christian literature up until the fifth century revealed that prior to the fourth century no known Christian writer interpreted Romans seven in a Calvinistic manner. Rather, it was always understood up until that time to be either an unbeliever or, in one case, to describe a Christian who had evil desires that he did not want to have but never evil actions.

Throughout this paper I have focused only on those writers who commented directly upon Romans 7. There is a good amount of indirect testimony to this subject in the form of statements which indicate that various early Christian writers understood the Christian experience to be one that entailed complete victory over sin. These quotes have been left out for brevity sake but if included would add even more weight to the conclusion that no writer before the fourth century assigned the traditional Calvinistic interpretation to this passage.

The earliest existing writer to comment directly upon this passage was Irenaeus of Lyons (120-202) in the second century. In Against Heresies he connected Paul’s statement “that there dwells in my flesh no good thing” as typical of human infirmity which Jesus came to deliver men from [3:20:33]. In commenting upon the parable of the two sons in which one represented the repentant sinners of Jesus’ day, the other the unrepentant Pharisees (Matt 21:28-32) Irenaeus described the Pharisees using Romans 7 [4:36:8].

Clement of Alexandria (c.150-c.220), a North African Christian teacher, in Stromata, a refutation of Gnosticism, indicated his belief that when Paul emphasized the war between the law of God and the law of his mind (Rom 7:22-23) it was only to show that Jesus rescues men from this through salvation [3:76-78].

Tertullian (c.150-240), another North African Christian leader, indicated that the Holy Spirit makes men free from the law of sin and death in our members (Rom 7:23). After this experience of being set free, “Our members, therefore, will no longer be subject to the law of death, because they cease to serve that of sin, from both which they have been set free” [On The Resurrection Of The Flesh, Ch. 46]. Elsewhere he noted his understanding that Paul was referring in Romans 7 to his pre-Christian days as an unbelieving Jew stating that “even if he has affirmed that ‘good dwelleth not in his flesh,’ yet he means according to ‘the law of the letter,’ in which he ‘was’; but according to ‘the law of the Spirit,’ to which he annexes us, he frees us from the ‘infirmity of the flesh'”[On Modesty, Ch. 17].

[…]

In analyzing the early Christian understanding of Romans 7 it has become very clear that the early church did not understand this passage to teach the necessity of sin in believers, usually attributing to it the interpretation that it was a man who was striving to please God under the Law of Moses. In fact this interpretation was so prevalent that when discussing this passage around 415AD, Pelagius (c.350-c.420?) could write in his now lost work entitled Inv Defense Of The Freedom Of The Will, which is preserved by Augustine in On The Grace Of Christ And On Original Sin [1:43] that “that which you wish us to understand of the apostle himself, all Church writers assert that he spoke in the person of the sinner, and of one who was still under the law. . . .” Augustine, in his attempt to refute this statement of Pelagius, was unable to offer any church writers who disagreed with Pelagius.

Entire Article Here

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[1978 Concert] Keith Green debunked LUTHER’S FALSE SALVATION DOCTRINE that’s now MAINSTREAM in America. Let’s get it right!

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske, Anchorage, Alaska

Keith Green
in Estes Park, 1978:

I don’t believe that an apple tree’s got to do anything to become
an apple tree
.
It’s given that; it’s from God.
But it better make apples if it wants to stay
in the orchard
.”

Jesus
in John 15:

5 I am the vine. You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If a man doesn’t remain in me, he is thrown out as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. … 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love. 11 I have spoken these things to you, that my joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be made full. 12 This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you.

Keith Green – (talk about) The Sheep And The Goats (live)

And these shall go away into everlasting fire
but the righteous into everlasting life!

And my friends,
the only difference between these two groups of people,
according to these scriptures:

is what they did and didn’t do!

Keith Green – Asleep In The Light (live)

Keith Green – The Victor (live)

Keith Green – Make My Life A Prayer To You (live)

Keith Green:

There’s nothing we can do on our own.
We’re helpless creatures without You.

And in you, Lord,
we’re more than conquerors.

Lord Jesus,
help us conquer the hypocrisy around us,
and help us conquer the hypocrisy right inside of us
through Your Spirit and through the blood you shed.

And as we go, Jesus,
let us realize that the word ‘Christian’ means little Christs,
and we’re supposed to be little Jesus walking around
,
by Your grace.

And in Jesus’ name we ask that you let that be in our lives,
in the next few days, the next few years,
so that when you come back we won’t be ashamed at Your appearing.”

1 John:

2:28 Now, little children, remain in him, that when he appears, we may have boldness, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

4:16 We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him. 17 In this[,] love has been made perfect among us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is, even so are we in this world.


First two songs from this concert:

Keith Green – He’ll Take Care Of The Rest (live)

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monum — May 25, 2008 — Keith Green performing “Make My Life A Prayer To You” live from Estes Park ’78

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Mike Bickle, Head of IHOP: From Porn to Worship "Within the Minute?" Yikes, Mike!

NOTE: I’ve always greatly appreciated Mike Bickle’s zeal and heart for God, and probably always will. I approve of much of what is happening at the IHOPU Student Awakening. They’re leading the way in so many right things, but there are some problems.

I bring this up not to put down, but so that we can do better — and better — until…

The goal is ‘ONE.’ Jesus wants us to be one with each other in Him (John 17). And the leaders at IHOP (International House of Prayer) have been calling for a Third Great Awakening. How can this happen in our midst when lust is rampant within the church?

I’m convinced that false doctrine is the main problem within the American church, and that false doctrine is the main thing keeping FULL revival, the Third Great Awakening from happening at IHOP and elsewhere.

“God accepts us no matter what” is a major theme at the IHOP Awakening meetings. For example: False, revival-killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings 🙁

When people don’t get fully right with God and their brothers and sisters, it’s impossible to worship in Spirit and in truth. So many don’t want to worship God directly. So the “bless me, Lord”/”fill us, Lord,” telling-God-what-to-do songs continue to be standards, and direct-to-God worship is the exception rather than the rule — as it is done in heaven.

And IHOP actually has a reputation for being alive (Rev. 3:1-6), whereas most of the ‘church’ in America doesn’t even have that.

In order for the Third Great Awakening to occur, we must lift up HOLY hands to the Lord. And we must clothed in white (not willfully sinning sins like lust — see the who-will-not-inherit-the-kingdom list in Galatians 5, along with Hebrews 10:26-39) in order for our names to not be removed from the Book of Life (Rev. 3:1-6). This is serious!

‘Christians’ can go from porn to worship “within the minute,” but can a real Christian worship in Spirit and in truth within the minute after willfully sinning such a serious sin?

I think not. Something is wrong here. Mike means well. The Passion for Jesus Conference was about restoring the first commandment to first place. Mike’s heart is in the right place, no doubt. But it’s statements like this that people will just take as a license to just keep on lusting, never getting totally free from the lust demons that drive lust so they can relax in God to be able to worship in Spirit and in truth.

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from IHOP’s Passion for Jesus conference, 4/8/10

Mike Bickle is speaking on part four of the Greatest Commandment, loving the Lord, our God with all of our strength.

Mike said we need to love on God’s terms, and he led a prayer so people would shift over to loving God being the greatest priority. And then he said:

“He’ll take you in your weakness. He’ll take you in your brokenness. He said, ‘I’ll take you just as you are. Just come with the intention to do this [focused on doing the greatest commandment].

And when you fail, admit it, confess it, push delete; jump back right in the race before the hour is up. Go hard again. No condemnation. Don’t waste a moment on condemnation. Push delete, and be there confident before God in love.

A guy says, ‘Oh, I like the pornography.’

Call it sin; repent of it; confess it before God; and be back within the minute as a lover of God with confidence that He enjoys the worship that you’re giving Him.

Don’t wallow for three or four weeks, or a couple of hours. No self probation. Don’t put yourself in probation. You have confidence before Him no matter what you did 20 minutes ago.

Holy Spirit, I ask you to come, right now, with fire. There’s some real setting of the heart going on with some of you, tonight. It’s a dynamic setting of your heart. Just change your life. Lord, release Your power right now. Fire, Lord. We’re here for passion for Jesus. That’s what we’re here for. We’re here to align our heart with You, Jesus. We’re in this for real till the end.”

But to align our hearts with God is to reject porn totally. This was good:

[Mike Bickle IHOP 3/08] Making a Purity Covenant: Seven Practical Commitments — The Lord will visit IHOP-KC with an open door of glory in the spirit and a door of ministry to the nations. When Jesus opens a door of glory to release more of His manifest presence then He requires more agreement with His heart (a higher standard of obedience). … This is a promise with a warning of judgment.

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What if God did release His fire, now, like Mike is asking God to?

Jesus said in Matthew 5 that we need to do everything we have to in order to not lust, so we can go to heaven. Lust isn’t an option for true believers. Watching porn is not a light thing that we can just do and then be worshiping within the minute.
We just gave into demon power. That demon won’t go unless there is full repentance — not repeatance. “Delete” has to be pushed really hard, fully pushed. The door has to be totally shut. The heart has to be settled. The prodigal son must come back. This is sick to even contemplate this scenario, thinking we can worship God within the minute.

Many will just take this as license….

John 4:

23 But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

We can’t be hypocrites and worshipers.
From Mike Bickle’s OneThing 2009 Teaching Notes (pdf):

We measure our spiritual maturity by how much of the Sermon on the Mount we walk out in daily life. We measure our ministry impact by the extent to which people live out these values, not by the number of people who receive our ministry.”

Let’s determine to stay fully in the kingdom, our hearts totally pure, fully resting in His love.

1 John 2:

15 Don’t love the world, neither the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the Father’s love isn’t in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, isn’t the Father’s, but is the world’s. 17 The world is passing away with its lusts, but he who does God’s will remains forever. …

28 Now, little children, remain in him, that when he appears, we may have boldness, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Galatians 5:

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire.

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

This is what we should be teaching. How to be really free, together, truly in Christ — resting — settled — where we belong.

: )

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