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[WordPOWER!] John 3:16 Means What?? 3:21, 36 show that 'BELIEVE' means OBEY — "He who DOES the TRUTH comes to the light, that HIS WORKS may be REVEALED, that they have been DONE IN GOD."

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On February 3, 2011

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John 3

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the light, and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”

22 After these things, Jesus came with his disciples into the land of Judea. He stayed there with them, and baptized. 23 John also was baptizing in Enon near Salim, because there was much water there. They came, and were baptized. 24 For John was not yet thrown into prison.

25 There arose therefore a questioning on the part of John’s disciples with some Jews about purification. 26 They came to John, and said to him, “Rabbi, he who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified, behold, the same baptizes, and everyone is coming to him.” 27 John answered, “A man can receive nothing, unless it has been given him from heaven. 28 You yourselves testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before him.’ 29 He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. This, my joy, therefore is made full. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

31 He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the Earth belongs to the Earth, and speaks of the Earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32 What he has seen and heard, of that he testifies; and no one receives his witness. 33 He who has received his witness has set his seal to this, that God is true. 34 For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for God gives the Spirit without measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand. 36 One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won’t see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

Can a Christian Have a Demon? Absolutely! Most Have Many!

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On January 31, 2011

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This is an important doctrine, because when born-again Christians believe they’re immune from demons, many think it’s impossible to overcome sins like lust, because the desire is “too strong.” But it’s that strong because evil spirits drive lust once we let them in through willfully sinning, giving them a place.

Some “Christians” justify their thoughts of hating and wishing evil on people as being from God, because they’ve been taught that evil spirits can’t give us thoughts and desires if we have God living in us; even though, the Bible says those who hate people can’t inherit the kingdom (Gal. 5:19-21).

Many born-again Christians have trouble hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit because they hear familiar spirits giving them thoughts and ideas that lead them astray. When we’re free from these demonic voices, we’ll only hear one voice: the H0ly Spirit’s. If we hear more than one voice giving us ideas, only one can be the Holy Spirit.

I will show what the Bible specifically says, what the Holy Spirit has revealed and how this works in real life.

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Many Bible teachers claim that John’s broad statement: “greater is he who is in you than he [Satan] who is in the world” (1 John 4:4) means that Christians can’t be directly affected by demons. They believe that wherever God is (indwelling in Christians) demons can’t also be present. John was speaking of Satan, not demons, and didn’t specifically say that evil spirits can never be in us.

Satan spoke with God in heaven, which is 100% holy, where there is no sin (Job. 1:6-7, 2:1-2). If we compare the holiness of heaven to most Christians’ bodies, who don’t keep themselves holy in every way.

I was told the safe-zone border that demons can’t cross into is the person’s skin; though, the Bible nowhere say that.

Because of this one verse, mainly, they claim that personal experiences, even clinical tests that seem to show that demons affect Christians directly must be invalid.

On the other hand, many Christians have had revelations from God showing them how demons directly influence Christians (who have given demons a place – Eph. 4:26-27), either by giving them thoughts (very common), driving sins (like lust, hatred, unforgiveness, lying, self-hatred, etc.), and causing sicknesses.

I absolutely agree that if the Bible states something clearly as fact, and personal experiences and/or revelations show something differently, we must go by what the Bible says. But the Bible nowhere says that evil spirits can’t be in Christians under any circumstances. In fact, it says the opposite, as I will show.

The Bible states that the Holy Spirit will lead believers into all truth (John 16:13). And His leading is supposed to be so capable that John says this in 1 John 2:

27 As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

Sola Scriptura (Bible alone) is not a biblical concept. It’s actually a false doctrine, a doctrine of demons that discourages people from seeking God for truth and revelation. Many of us have been shown by God ways in which demons affect Christians, which absolutely should be considered, because God wants us to know more specifically what is taught only generally in the Bible. But the Bible also says a lot on the subject.

A well known example is Paul’s thorn in the flesh, “a messenger of Satan to torment me,” Paul said in 2 Cor. 12:

7 By reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted excessively, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me, that I should not be exalted excessively. 8 Concerning this thing, I begged the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”

This could hardly be written any clearer to mean this messenger (angel in Greek) of Satan was in fact a demon. And in the flesh probably means exactly that — inside his body. And the word torment is similar to the word Jesus used in Matthew 18, describing what would happen to us if we don’t forgive everyone from the heart; though, this is translated differently in the NIV.

Much of the reason that today’s theologians disbelieve a Christian can have a demon is because of how the NIV and many of the other modern translations changed what the Bible really says. This is discussed here:

NIV alterations that greatly affect Christian doctrine — including my pet peeves. The NIV is destroying the church! Here’s proof.

Look at what the NIV did to Matthew 18 and Ephesians 4. From the third article above, NIV alterations that greatly affect…:

I’ve been harping about this forgiving-and-the-NIV subject for decades. Try to teach the importance of forgiving out of the NIV.

In the NIV, forgiving our brother 77 times is good enough? It’s definitely a reachable number — unlike 490 times.

And in the NIV, the “jailers” don’t sound like demons to me. “Tormentors” (KJV) certainly do though. If we don’t forgive everyone from our hearts the tormentors have a right to torment us.

God allows this so we get so disgusted with living in torment so we learn to always walk in love towards even our enemies when they curse us, hate us and mistreat us (the phrases the NIV left out, above).

It’s hard to even know what real Christianity is when we read the NIV. And we won’t learn enough about how Satan’s kingdom really works so we can learn how to be free. Many NIV readers don’t even realize that they have demons directly affecting them. The NIV puts people in the dark. Here is what they’ve done to parts of Matthew 18 and Ephesians 4:

Matthew 18

21 Then Peter came and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I don’t tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven [seventy seven times].

23 Therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who wanted to reconcile accounts with his servants. 24 When he had begun to reconcile, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But because he couldn’t pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down and kneeled before him, saying, ‘Lord, have patience with me, and I will repay you all!’ 27 The lord of that servant, being moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. 28 “But that servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, who owed him one hundred denarii, and he grabbed him, and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29 “So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will repay you!’ 30 He would not, but went and cast him into prison, until he should pay back that which was due. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were exceedingly sorry, and came and told to their lord all that was done. 32 Then his lord called him in, and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me. 33 Shouldn’t you also have had mercy on your fellow servant, even as I had mercy on you?’ 34 His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors [turned him over to the jailers to be tortured], until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds.”

And “a foothold” in Eph. 4, what’s that! The Greek word here is topos, which means “place,” like in topography. There is nothing in the text that indicates the Devil just gets a little foothold if we stay angry. The demons go right in, because we’ve given place to them. We’ve given them the right to torment us because we disobeyed God by not forgiving everyone from our hearts.

This is how lust demons work too. No lust, no lust demons. Whereas, lust just a little bit and they have the right to enter and drive lust from then on until we repent — cold turkey. 100% repentance, 0% lust = 0 lust demons — lust freedom!

Ephesians 4:25 Therefore, putting away falsehood, speak truth each one with his neighbor. For we are members of one another [body]. 26 “Be angry, and don’t sin.” Don’t let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 neither give place to the devil [do not give the devil a foothold].

Evil spirits can’t affect us if we don’t sin, but in the areas we do, like Paul with his pride, the demons have a right.

God gave me a prophecy, which I call Let Us Be ONE. In part 20, God explains what was going on with Paul:

Give Up the Ghost of Pride and Settle for Nothing Other Than Love

Let them be your friend, those who disobey. Don’t judge. Let them see your life. Show it around. Let them see how good it is—a Trumpet call for all to see—you in the flesh—but in the Spirit, giving you life. What an oxymoron. They think you are crazy when you give up the ghost of pride. The two don’t go together. They don’t fit in a sentence. What does life have to do with darkness? How can we be one? The whole house must be clean, swept from inside. Give up the ghost of pride, and settle for nothing other than love, pure love from above.

Do not let it get in, your pride. Don’t take it. Don’t accept it as your own. It is not from above, but from the father of lies. He remains inside of most who disobey. The demons are thick as muck, all over, festering. There is much confusion, and it is not right. They can get in. Many don’t believe they are filled. It is them, part of their personality. Yes it is, but it is not Me. You are full of them, those yukky things that wreak inside My body, making it unclean. Paul did not have these. He walked tall. They made him obey, for he learned how to live above the fray. He hated disobedience and shunned sin. He still had a spirit of pride that held him back, but it was not from Me, and you know it.

You know you are like him in many ways, hurting, because you haven’t given your all. He overcame. Sin had taken him for a ride. He had hurt many, taking them into prison, putting them in chains—people like you who proclaim the Gospel. He took time to pray and overcame His grief. He was amazing, and is with Me, happy, because he fought and won—not at first. It took time. He needed to be holy. Righteousness came, and he grew until he became great in My thinking, full of Me, pride no longer. He humbled himself, and slowly became obedient until the point of death. He hurt.

Many are in dismay. They think he is great, that no one can be like him, but you will do better. He faltered. You, as a body can do much better. You can be one, you in Me, all under authority, all led by Me, all together, all one, hand in hand, much better than it was. Can you believe it?

This can happen. You can watch it, and see it in your own life. Start now. Don’t wait; then temptation will cease, and you will be one. It will happen. All of a sudden you will see that I am in you and life has come, making you one in Me. It will click.

Here’s how: watch and pray. It’s that simple. Study, see if this isn’t so in My Word, My living testimony that you can read to give you life any time of day as long as you live here on this planet, away from your home for a season. Then there will be life that you’ve never seen before, but tasted. You will be glad that you stood the course, that you built from above. It will be eternal. Seek this, eternal life, your eternal home, above, Me in you, and we are one. It will be this way, starting now if you let it. It doesn’t have to wait. See it; watch it fill you with life.

So it seems that God is telling us that Paul got to where he was demon free except for a spirit of pride, and then he eventually got free from that: “he grew until he became great in My thinking, full of Me, pride no longer.”

So if Paul did actually have a demon tormenting him physically, how could John have then written “Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world?”
Let’s look at 1 John 4-5:

1 Beloved, don’t believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit who doesn’t confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already. 4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world [this is actually similar to Paul’s concept of grace, which gives us the power to overcomeThe meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think?]. 5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of God. He who knows God listens to us. He who is not of God doesn’t listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God. 8 He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love. 9 By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God loved us in this way, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God remains in us, and his love has been perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we remain in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as the Savior of the world.

15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God. 16 We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him. 17 In this love has been made perfect among us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is, even so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love. [I discuss this concept in [WordPOWER!] 1 John 4 “Perfect Love Casts Out Fear” means us perfectly loving, not us perfectly accepting His love for us (as is commonly taught). Let’s love perfectly!] 19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who doesn’t love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 21 This commandment we have from him, that he who loves God should also love his brother.

5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Whoever loves the Father also loves the child who is born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world: your faith.

5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three who testify: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is God’s testimony which he has testified concerning his Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son. 11 The testimony is this, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have God’s Son doesn’t have the life.

13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. 14 This is the boldness which we have toward him, that, if we ask anything according to his will, he listens to us. 15 And if we know that he listens to us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions which we have asked of him.

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for those who sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death. I don’t say that he should make a request concerning this. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

18 We know that whoever is born of God doesn’t sin, but he who was born of God keeps himself, and the evil one doesn’t touch him. 19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. 20 We know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

1 John 5:18 is the key to being demon free. Willful sinning gives demons a place (Eph. 4:26-27), and willful unforgiveness from the heart towards anyone allows evil spirits to torment us ( Mt. 18).

1 John 4-5 is the converse: When we walk in perfect love (1 Jn. 4), we’re not sinning. We keep ourselves safe so then the evil one can’t touch us. “Perfect love casts out fear.”

It’s not us perfectly accepting God’s love, as is commonly taught. It’s us perfectly loving “Perfect Love Casts Out Fear” means us perfectly loving, not us perfectly accepting His love for us (as is commonly taught). Then, and only then are we guaranteed freedom from demons.

According to John, perfectly loving others is supposed to be the normal Christian life. This is our standard. “if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

When we are walking this clean these signs [including miracles that most of us aren’t seeing often yet] follow them that believe…, Jesus said in Mark 16. And believe means more than belief in Jesus’ atonement on the cross.

When we are walking this Christlike 1 John 5:15-16 will be evident:

13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. 14 This is the boldness which we have toward him, that, if we ask anything according to his will, he listens to us. 15 And if we know that he listens to us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions which we have asked of him.

But until we are walking in perfect love we can’t claim immunity from evil spirits, biblically — and we’re not going to see many miracles either.

The Bible all fits together. We can’t take one verse that applies to those who have overcome and apply it to current ‘believers’ who mostly don’t even believe that we’re even supposed to walk in perfect love, which casts out fear.

Being demon free is far from being automatic just because we prayed a prayer to be born-again. Being born-again is just the start of being equipped, empowered so we can overcome, perfectly loving so we can then be demon free.

And because almost every ‘Christian’ in America has demons influencing their thoughts and their feelings directly, BIG-time, it’s hard for them to see clearly enough to see the kingdom.

Life has ceased in most because we’re so far from walking in perfect love where we can be free — and where signs and wonders will follow.

We need to get our doctrines right so we can then learn how to walk in perfect love together, demon free — overcomers.

Then we’ll all be resting. We’ll all know for sure, deep down that we have eternal life. Belief won’t be a struggle — and signs and wonders will follow. We will have whatever we ask according to His will.

And He wants great things to happen. He stays away because we’re staying away (James 4).

Let’s move in close to Him where we can be ONE. Then the world will know, and life will be FUN!!!!!!! JOY will be off of the charts — no matter what is coming down the pike — which doesn’t look good, since the ‘church’ hasn’t been salt and light.

We’re going to reap what we’ve sowed. But there can be a GREAT ending to this story when we finally overcome and actually live 1 John 4 and 5!

The Devil LOVES to have his minions planted within ‘Christians,’ who think all of their thoughts are their own, and everything that is going on in their bodies is naturally caused — though it’s demons that drive much of what many ‘Christians’ do. And demons are probably the number one cause of illness; though, they are influencing ‘Christians’ to accept what isn’t really food as though it is too.

Dark forces inside of ‘Christians’ influence them to even hate those they disagree with, those who make them feel uncomfortable, who may even teach them they can have demons inside. That’s why there are so many fights in religion. Religious spirits compel ‘Christians’ to believe certain things strongly and without question. And anyone who would say otherwise must be off his rocker!

Check your hearts, you all. What’s going on inside of you? Are you free? Can you totally relax when you discuss doctrine? Are you at peace, really? Check your heart, specifically, not just your head.

There should be peace, 24/7.

Instead of Partysville, which I call the overall state of the church — “I’m okay; you’re okay. Ha, ha, ha,” we need James 4: [WordPOWER!] God’s Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4. I’ll just quote some of James 4 here. James 3 talks about ‘Christians’ cursing Christians, which happens all the time in today’s partysville atmosphere where anything goes.
James 4:

1 Where do wars and fightings among you [speaking to Christians] come from? Don’t they come from your pleasures that war in your members? 2 You lust, and don’t have. You kill [James just got done talking about ‘Christians’ cursing Christians, which is like killing — anyone who hates his brother is a murderer], covet, and can’t obtain. You fight and make war [James showed in chapter 3 that ‘Christians’ were cursing Christians from their hearts (3:14)].

You don’t have, because you don’t ask. 3 You ask, and don’t receive [opposite of 1 John 5:14-15], because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it for your pleasures.

4 You adulterers and adulteresses [adultery = lusting in the heart (Mt. 5)], don’t you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously“?

6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy [partysville joy, not fruit-of-the-Holy-Spirit joy] to gloom.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.

In this passage, James is talking about demons in ‘Christians’: your pleasures that war in your members — and how to get totally free!

In the preceding chapter, James talks about ‘Christians’ cursing people from their hearts. But to help us understand that James isn’t giving a license to sin in chapter 3, I’ll quote James 1 first.

James 1 helps us understand James 3

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are in the Dispersion: Greetings. 2 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you fall into various temptations, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. 4 Let endurance have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach; and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, without any doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, driven by the wind and tossed. 7 For let that man not think that he will receive anything from the Lord. 8 He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

9 But let the brother in humble circumstances glory in his high position; 10 and the rich, in that he is made humble, because like the flower in the grass, he will pass away. 11 For the sun arises with the scorching wind, and withers the grass, and the flower in it falls, and the beauty of its appearance perishes. So also will the rich man fade away in his pursuits.

12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death. 16 Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow. 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

19 So, then, my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger; 20 for the anger of man doesn’t produce the righteousness of God. 21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not only hearers, deluding your own selves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he sees himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of freedom, and continues, not being a hearer who forgets, but a doer of the work, this man will be blessed in what he does.

26 If anyone among you thinks himself to be religious while he doesn’t bridle his tongue, but deceives his heart, this man’s religion is worthless. 27 Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

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In chapter 3, pastors usually say the source is the tongue, but if you dig further, verse 14 shows that the heart is the source that drives the tongue. And what is driving the heart are demons. Verse 15: the wisdom not from above that is demonic, verse 14.

Demons drive the heart, which drives the tongue of these ‘Christians’ brothers to curse men — which is why I call it James-3 cursing.

James 3 — Blessing and Cursing?

1 Let not many of you be teachers, my brothers, knowing that we will receive heavier judgment. 2 For in many things we all stumble. If anyone doesn’t stumble in word, the same is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also. 3 Indeed, we put bits into the horses’ mouths so that they may obey us, and we guide their whole body. 4 Behold, the ships also, though they are so big and are driven by fierce winds, are yet guided by a very small rudder, wherever the pilot desires. 5 So the tongue is also a little member, and boasts great things. See how a small fire can spread to a large forest! 6 And the tongue is a fire. The world of iniquity among our members is the tongue, which defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature, and is set on fire by Gehenna. 7 For every kind of animal, bird, creeping thing, and thing in the sea, is tamed, and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But nobody can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God. 10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water? 12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.

Wisdom from Above

13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his deeds are done in gentleness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don’t boast and don’t lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, sensual, and demonic. 16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is confusion and every evil deed. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceful, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

So we see the Bible really does show that demons can affect Christians directly unless they walk in perfect love. James-3 curses can and usually do stick. I’ll talk about speaking in tongues and forgiving to get free in a minute, but it’s actually God’s will for us to be tormented so we learn to walk in perfect love.

It’s a way of being spanked, disciplined. Demons can cause pain, sickness, irritability. They Instead of getting mad at those who curse us, we need to pray for them (especially in tongues) and actively forgive them from our hearts. Father, forgive them, they know not what they do. Many people are so greatly influenced by demons they really don’t know what they’re doing, including many ‘Christian’ pastors!

There is no doubt that Paul was tormented by at least one demon for a time, and perhaps this is the greatest reason he prayed in tongues more than anyone (see the tongues articles below). Paul was on the front lines. Many hated him, and the curses stuck because he hadn’t yet learned how to walk in perfect love. But according to what God said in my prophecy, he did learn how to walk in perfect love — and so can we!

Praying in tongues is the greatest spiritual warfare gift, in my opinion, based upon many thousands of hours of praying in tongues during the last 30 years.

A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues. A reader thankfully put me over the edge : )

And fully forgiving everyone from the heart is the place of immunity, and it’s a lot harder to accomplish than most people realize. I have yet to meet anyone whom I know always forgives everyone 100% from their heart. Many are close. We’re getting there, but until we shut the door 100% the demons still have a right.

Art Mathias on It’s Supernatural: Spiritual Roots of Disease — Healed Through Forgiving (If there is pain in a memory there is unforgiveness)

Forgiving-Others, Freedom Prayer!

This is an important doctrine, because when ‘Christians’ think they’re immune they often go with however they feel. And many have been hurt by demon driven ‘Christians’ and James-3 cursing pastors — including themselves.

Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent

Let Us Be ONE, Part 11 of 33

Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent

Do not give the time of day to those who control, to those leaders who have hurt people but refuse to repent, who live in sin. They are in error, in danger of losing their salvation.

Pray for them, and help them obey. We must be ONE. This is the key—that we be ONE.

The key really is ONE. When ONE happens it will be easy to walk in perfect love nonstop. And we can help ONE happen by praying in tongues and learning to walk in perfect love now.

God bless!

Jeff Fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

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‘Pastor’: You can pray AGAINST people too. “It’s well worth it!” – Vs – God: “Bless and don’t curse;” “This wisdom is…DEMONIC;” “Overcome evil with good,” “that you may be children of your Father”

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders ‘Every Day’

Holiness Will Excise Darkness — Many will follow and run from iniquity when you are holy, when your sights are set on Me, up, where they belong.

Dr. Scott Johnson: Pharmakeia — Sorcery, Pharmaceuticals & the Roots of Modern Day Drug Industry. “You cannot drug your body into good health.” “Drugs are not going to take the demons away.” “They’ve swept the symptoms under the rug for so long that now they’re a surgical candidate.”

How CLEAN do our HEARTS have to be from the Hebrews-12 root of bitterness that defiles many so they lose their reward? Where is the place of SAFETY — RESTING, KNOWING for SURE we’re going to heaven? Selah …

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

(audio) Ex-witch: Why Many Worship Mary, Not Jesus — Mary is “embracing, loving, forgiving & tolerant.” But if you come to Christ you’re going to have to give yourself up. And when we stand in front of His thrown He will judge us. And people are scared of that. So they would sooner have a pseudo-Jesus (Mary is just a person who can’t really be prayed to, so demons can impersonate…)

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

All of my Demons in Christians posts

All of my “Christians Cursing People” posts

Francis Frangipane: Beware, It is Easy to Fake Christianity — "The moment we STOP OBEYING God we START FAKING . . . ." "If our Christianity DOES NOT WORK in this life where we can test it, it is foolhardy to hope it will successfully transport us into eternity . . . if we fail THE TEST, we suffer eternal separation from God." "Let us re-examine what we have been taught."

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On January 28, 2011

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Who Goes to Heaven

Francis Frangipane

“Five times in Matthew 24, Jesus warned against deception in the last days (vv. 4, 5, 11, 23–24, 26). If we are not at least somewhat troubled by those warnings, it is only because we are guarding our ignorance with arrogance, presuming that our thoughts must be right simply because we think them. … Subconsciously, we may actually want a dead religion so we do not have to change.”

From: frangipane.org…

Beware: It is Easy to Fake Christianity
(En Español)
Our experience of Christianity must go beyond just being another interpretation of the Bible; it must expand until our faith in Jesus and our love for Him becomes a lightning rod for His presence.
Prove All Things
“But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good” (1 Thess. 5:21). Would you buy a car without driving it? Would you purchase a house sight unseen? Of course not! Yet, many of us accept various “plans of salvation” that do not really save us from the distresses of hell. In spite of the fact that Jesus came to give us abundant life, we remain sinful and selfish. A car may look nice, but if it will not drive across town we should not trust it to take us across the country.
Likewise, if our Christianity does not work in this life where we can test it, it is foolhardy to hope it will successfully transport us into eternity where, if we fail the test, we suffer eternal separation from God.
I do not wish to imply, however, that unless we get every doctrine right and every interpretation perfect we will be refused entrance into heaven. Christianity is more a matter of the heart than the head; it is a maturing of love more than knowledge. The test of truth is not an intellectual pursuit but whether you are drawing closer, week by week, to knowing and loving Jesus Christ.
At the same time, we should not be afraid to test what we believe. Paul says, “Test yourselves . . . examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?” (2 Cor. 13:5).
The power and person of Jesus Christ is in us; to believe in Him is to progressively become like Him. As it is written, “as He is, so also are we in this world” (1 John 4:17). However, if we have been indoctrinated to believe that the kingdom of God, and Christianity itself, does not really have to work, or if the absence of holiness and power fails to trouble us, something is seriously wrong with our concept of truth.
We should seek answers to three very important questions. First: is my faith effective? Do not gloss over that question. Honestly ask yourself if your prayers are being answered and if your life is becoming godly.
Second: if my doctrines do not work, then why not? Perhaps your theology is fine but you are lazy. Perhaps you need to turn off the television set and dedicate that time to seek the Lord instead. Or maybe you are very earnest but you have been taught wrong. Either way, you must seek to find out why things are not working for you.
And third: if I do see the fruit and power of the Holy Spirit revealed in another’s life, how did he (or she) receive such grace from God? Do not be afraid to sit as a disciple under the anointing of another’s ministry. The Word tells us, “He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward” (Matt. 10:41). God gives “rewards” of impartation, knowledge and other spiritual gifts to His servants. Learn from those whose faith is working.
The final test of any set of doctrines is seen in the kind of life they produce. As it is written, “By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked” (1 John 2:5–6). Continual, persistent walking with Christ will produce a life like Christ’s. We will walk even as He did walk with holiness and power.
The fact is, however, that if the “god” of some of our Christian religions died, most members of those churches would be either too spiritually dead or too physically busy to notice his absence. All too often, Christians accept teachings “by faith”—not faith in the Living God but faith that their church doctrines are correct. We unconsciously hope that whoever is teaching us has not made a mistake.
Jesus said, “See to it no one misleads you” (Matt. 24:4). Remaining free from deception is a responsibility each of us must assume as individuals. Without becoming suspicious or mistrusting, in humility let us re-examine what we have been taught. The virtue of any teaching is in its ability to either equip you to do God’s will or empower you to find God’s heart. If either objective is missing, that teaching will be of lesser value.
The Power of a Godly Life
This lesson is not addressed to “bad people” or sinners; it is for all of us “good people” who have thought being nice was of the same essence as knowing the truth. It is not. We can thank our parents that we are nice, but to know the truth, we must seek God and be willing to obey Him.
Five times in Matthew 24, Jesus warned against deception in the last days (vv. 4, 5, 11, 23–24, 26). If we are not at least somewhat troubled by those warnings, it is only because we are guarding our ignorance with arrogance, presuming that our thoughts must be right simply because we think them. There are areas in all of our lives that need to be corrected. And unless we can be corrected, unless we are seeking God for an unfolding revelation of His Son, our so-called “faith” may be, in reality, just a lazy indifference, a deception concerning the things of God. Subconsciously, we may actually want a dead religion so we do not have to change.
Yes, we should accept many things by faith. But faith is not blindly sticking our hand out to be led by another blind man. It is not an excuse to justify impotent doctrines. True faith is freighted with the power of God.
The Power in Holiness
“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be . . . having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof” (2 Tim. 3:1–5 KJV). Holiness is powerful. Have you ever met a truly holy man or woman? There is a power in their godliness. If, however, one has never known a Christlike soul, it becomes very easy to fake Christianity. Remember this always: being false is natural to the human heart; it is with much effort that we become true. Unless we are reaching for spiritual maturity, our immaturity shapes our perceptions of God. We point to the Almighty and say, “He stopped requiring godliness,” when in reality, we have compromised the standards of His kingdom. Know for certain that the moment we stop obeying God, we start faking Christianity.
And as we mature, we begin to realize that the Spirit of Christ is actually within us. The cross emerges off the printed page, it stands upright before us, confronting us with our own Gethsemanes, our own Golgothas—but also our own resurrections through which we ascend spiritually into the true presence of the Lord.
With Paul we say,

I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered Himself up for me.             —Galatians 2:20

Do not let yourself be misled! Place upon your theology the demand that it work—your eternal salvation depends upon it! If Christ is within us, we should be living holy, powerful lives. No excuses. If we are not holy or if there is not the power of godliness in our lives, let us not blame God. As it is written, “Let God be found true, though every man be found a liar” (Rom. 3:4). Let us persevere in seeking God until we find Him, until we discover “what [we are] still lacking” (Matt. 19:20). Let us press on until we “lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus” (Phil. 3:12).
How long should we continue to seek Him? If we spent all our lives and all our energies for three minutes of genuine Christlikeness, we would have spent our lives well. We will say like Simeon of old, “Now Lord, You are releasing Your bond-servant to depart in peace, according to Your word; for my eyes have seen Your salvation” (Luke 2:29–30). We do not want to just give mental assent to Christian doctrine; we want to see, have contact with and live in the experienced reality of Christ’s actual presence. The moment we settle for anything less, we begin faking Christianity.
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The preceding article came from Pastor Frangipane’s first book, Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God that can be ordered at www.arrowbookstore.com

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The love of money gone amuck among preachers: Taking money from the poor by giving them false hope is $$$big$$$ business! Kenneth Copeland – "I am a billionaire."

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On January 16, 2011

In "The LOVE of MONEY", Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Doctrines of Demons?, The Church is Getting Jacked!

“I have confessed that I am in the billion flow,
and that I am a billionaire.”

– Kenneth Copeland

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKYpljgWeM]FAke false preachers.wmv

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WHAT Do THESE PEOPLE TEACH YOU ? all the deception that people are falling for. Absolutely [—-] these FALSE TEACHERS! The modern institution of the church HAS FAILED!

YOU ARE NOT A SLAVE ANYMORE
READ AND DO Research On The BIble

Fine OUT THE TRUTH

Stop believing everything the preacher say

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Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

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On January 16, 2011

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Tithing or Spirit-led

From:russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

REASONS TO OPPOSE NT TITHING

REASONS AGAINST NT TITHING
From Essay By Russell E Kelly, PHD
www.tithng-russkelly.com
Supporting texts with essay

1. NOT NEW COVENANT: New Covenant giving principles are far superior and more inclusive.
2. NOT DEFINED BIBLICALLY: The definition of holy tithes is only food from inside Israel which God had miraculously increased. Tithes could not come from what man increased, from Gentiles or from outside Israel.
3. NOT MONEY: Although money was required for sanctuary worship, money was never a tithe-able item.
4. NOT FROM OUTSIDE ISRAEL: Abram’s tithe was in obedience to the law of the land, was only pagan spoils of war and he gave the 90% to the king of Sodom.
5. NOT UNIVERSAL MINIMUM: In the Old Covenant only food producers inside Israel were required to begin at 10%.
6. NOT FOR PRIESTS: The OT Levitical tithe went to the servants of the priests who equate to ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc.
7. NOT FOR PROPERTY OWNERS: Under the Law, those who received the first Levitical tithe were not allowed to own property and were required to kill anybody attempting to enter the sanctuary.
8. NOT HOLY: The tithe was only holy if it came from inside Israel. It was only holy as part of the Old Covenant to support its priesthood.
9. NOT FIRSTFRUITS: The tithe and firstfruits were never the same thing. Tithes were tenth-fruits. Firstfruits were very small token offerings.
10. NOT 10%: There were 3 tithes totaling 23% plus a 10% tithe to the king.
11. NOT FROM THE POOR: The poor did not tithe. They received much of a 2nd festival tithe and all of a 3rd third year poor tithe.
12. NOT FOR WORSHIP ONLY: Levites also worked as political employees of the king in secular affairs.
13. NOT TO THE TEMPLE: The people brought tithes to the Levitical cities. The Temple was too far away to feed 98% of the Levites and priests.
14. NOT FROM MALACHI: Malachi was only for Old Covenant Israel whose priests were guilty of stealing the best tithes they had vowed to God.
15. NOT TAUGHT BY JESUS TO THE CHURCH: Matthew 23:23 is a condemnation of enforcers of the Law as “matters of the law.” It was illegal to teach tithes to Jesus from Jews or Gentiles.
16. NOT FOR NT PRIESTS: The OT priesthood and Temple have been replaced by the priesthood of every believer.
17. NOT NT STOREHOUSE: The OT Temple has not been replaced by the so-called storehouse of the church building. Buildings were not legal for almost 300 years after Calvary.
18. NOT A MORAL LAW: OT tithes were part of the worship ordinances which ended at Calvary for Hebrews. The Church never was under the Old Covenant Law.
19. NOT FOR GOSPEL WORKER SUPPORT: The New Covenant neither commands nor condemns full time gospel workers.
20. NOT SUPPORTED BY CHURCH HISTORY: No early church father suggested tithing for over 200 years. It did not become enforceable for over 700 years. Most U. S. churches did not teach tithing until around 1895.
21. NOT MORAL HERMENEUTIC: Tithing was not repeated to the church in terms of the New Covenant after Calvary.

Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

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Russell Kelly: TITHERS' MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

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On January 16, 2011

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Tithing or Spirit-led

From: russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

“EVEN IF” MATTHEW 5:17 MEANS THAT NONE OF THE OLD COVENANT LAW HAS ENDED —-
such still does not validate tithing of money to gospel workers because —1. The Law defines tithes as only food from inside God’s holy land of Israel which He had miraculously increased (Lev 27:30-34).
2. The Law does not accept tithes from what man increased or from outside Israel (Lev 27:30-34).
3. The Law commands that the first whole Levitical tithe be given to the Levites servants of the priests (Num 18:21-24).
4. The Law commands the Levites to give one tenth of the tithe they receive to the priests (Num 18:25-28).
5. The Law requires OT priests to kill anybody attempting to enter the sanctuary (Num 18:7, 22).
6. The Law requires those who receive Levitical tithes to forfeit property ownership and inheritance (Num 18:20, 23).
7. The Law requires a second tithe (20% total) to be eaten in the streets of Jerusalem during the 3 annual feasts (Deu 14:22-26).
8. The Law requires a third tithe every third year to be kept in the homes for the poor (total 23%) (Deu 14:28-29).
9. The Law would not permit Gentiles to tithe either to Jesus or to the Temple system (Deu 7:2).
10. The Law’s application did not allow money with images to enter the Temple –thus the money-changers (Mt 22:20-21). 
THEREFORE appealing to the Law to justify tithing among New Covenant Gentile Christians still does not justify a changed definition and application of tithing.
Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

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Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

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On January 16, 2011

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Tithing or Spirit-led

From: tithing-russkelly.com

Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

1. WHO #1: The Levitical servants to the priests who received the first whole tithe have been abolished. See Numbers 18:21-24. Modern equivalents to the Levites are unpaid ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc.

2. WHO #2: OT priests who received a tenth of the tithe (only 1 per cent) have been abolished. See Num 18:25-28 and Neh 10:38.

3. WHAT: The definition of tithes as only food miraculously increased by God from inside His holy land of Israel has been abolished and replaced with the false unbiblical definition of income. See Leviticus 27:30-34 and 14 other texts which describe the contents of the tithe. Yet money was common in Genesis.

Entire Article Here
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Westcott and Hort Magic Marker Binge! Would you take a magic marker to your Bible and cross out words from passages? Do you read the NIV?

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On January 10, 2011

In Bible Translations, Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, The Church is Getting Jacked!

I’ve linked to this article for years. It’s time I post it.

Satan knows he can’t get away with adding thousands of words,
so he deleted thousands of very significant ones
through Westcott and Hort.

Westcott and Hort founded several occult societies,
two of which were The Hermes Club and The Ghostly Guild.

The NIV, NASB, NRSV and similar are poison!
We’ve been robbed!
Consider how the deletion examples below have profoundly altered
Christian doctrine and therefore the world we live in.

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What is HORRIBLY WRONG with Modern Bible Translations like the NIV? Most modern versions slavishly depend on the Egyptian and Vatican corruptions of the New Testament!

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On January 10, 2011

In Bible Translations, Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, The Church is Getting Jacked!

From: biblestudy.org, What are the ERRORS in the King James Version Bible?

What is WRONG with Modern Bible Translations?

The Old Testament has been faithfully preserved by the Jews in what is known as the Masoretic Text. There are few translation problems with the Old Testament.

However, most modern translations, from the Revised Standard Version Bible (RSV) to the New International Version Bible (NIV), use as their source for the New Testament a Greek Text based upon the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus of the fourth century. This text, publicized by Westcott and Hort, is also known as the Alexandrian Text. It originated in Egypt and has been massaged by “higher critics” down through the ages. These manuscripts, used in the RSV, represent less than 5% of known Greek Biblical manuscripts, but are supposedly more authentic because they are “old.”

The bulk of New Testament manuscripts were copied century after century from earlier ones as they wore out. Older copies did not survive because these texts were used until worn out. This text, the so-called “Received Text” [Textus Receptus – editor] or “Byzantine Text” (also termed “Syrian”, “Antioch”, or Koine text) was used in the King James Version. Nearly 4,000 manuscripts of this Byzantine or Official Text agree almost perfectly with each other, and are a far better standard to go by than corrupt copies – no matter how early they were made. Located primarily at Mt. Athos in Greece, copies of the official Greek Text give us a very reliable record of the New Testament scriptures.

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Father of Calvinism, Augustine's Prayer To Mary For His Salvation

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On December 12, 2010

In Calvin Didn't Get It, Catholic Church, Doctrines of Demons?

From: Evangelical Outreach

Augustine’s Prayer To
Mary For His Salvation

Dan Corner

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The Calvinists (and Catholics) exalt Augustine of Hippo as a great theologian. In fact, John Calvin systemized Augustine’s doctrines and this is, to a large degree, the Calvinism presented today. What a surprise it will be for many to read the following prayer from him, their real founder, to Mary for salvation. Please ponder this prayer and it will become apparent how darkened and deceived Augustine really was. Only God knows how many have been stumbled because of exalting Augustine to an elevated level which he doesn’t deserve. It is impossible for him to be a great theologian as many think of him just in light of this. He was a heretic and nothing better:

Blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay you with praise and thanksgiving for having rescued a fallen world by your generous consent? What songs of praise can our weak human nature offer in your honor, since it was through you that it has found the way to salvation? Accept then such poor thanks as we have to offer, unequal though they be to your merits. Receive our gratitude and obtain by your prayers the pardon of our sins.Take our prayers into the sanctuary of heaven and enable them to bring about our peace with God.

May the sins we penitently bring before Almighty God through you be pardoned. May what we beg with confidence be granted through you. Take our offerings and grant our request; obtain pardon for what we fear, for you are the only hope of sinners. We hope to obtain the forgiveness of our sins through you. Blessed Lady, in you is our hope of reward.

Holy Mary, help the miserable, strengthen the discouraged, comfort the sorrowful, pray for your people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God. May all who venerate you, feel now your help and protection. Be ready to help us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it your continual care to pray for the People of God, for you were blessed by God and were made worthy to bear the Redeemer of the world, Who lives and reigns forever.

—Saint Augustine (d. 430)

That was found in the Dictionary of Mary (Catholic Book Publishing Co.: New Jersey, 1997, 1985, p. 531.)

True salvation is only found in the Lord Jesus. He is our life (1 John 5:12) and the only way to the Father (John 14:6). Praying to Mary is not going to assist in obtaining forgiveness of sins for us. It is also disobedience in itself to how the Lord taught for us to pray.

To be forgiven of your sins you must repent (turn away from your sins) and place a trusting and submitting faith in the Lord Jesus who shed his blood for your sins. Please read the New Testament for yourself, believe what it says and change accordingly. The Bible Is Final Authority, not John Calvin nor the Pope. Your eternal destiny depends on what you do with the message of the Bible. The Augustine wrongly exalted by Calvinism (and Catholicism) is not the real mother of Jesus shown in the Bible. Click here to read about our book, Is This the Mary Of The Bible.

GOD BLESS YOU.

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LUST ‘the poison that kills the soul’ FREEDOM! *My experience*: How DEMONS DRIVE HETEROSEXUAL and HOMOSEXUAL lust in ‘Christians’ — When we realize demons drive lust we can be FREE!

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On December 2, 2010

In 'Homosexuals Will Arise', Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Forgive & Be FREE, heart, soul, mind, gut?, Lust Freedom!, No Enemy, Personal, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Revival

UPDATE 7/21: I was just asked to explain the difference between lust and the natural desire for a mate. Clearly, God has given us a natural attraction for the opposite sex, but God prohibits us from thinking lustful, sexual thoughts about anyone who we’re not married to. If we do, this opens the door for demons to then drive lust, which then becomes an addiction. Constantly thinking about lust is not normal, and is a clear indication that lust demons are now driving the desires, and this includes when sleeping. If we’re lusting in our dreams it’s lust demon driven, despite what secular psychologists claim. We can be FREE 24/7! “Submit to God, resist the Devil and he’ll FLEE!”

How Lust Works

By Jeff Fenske

I saw this testimony from Henry Makow’s site showing how demons and homosexuality came hand in hand: Homosexuality & Demonic Possession. This encouraged me to share….

From my many experiences in dealing with demons, having now been a Christian for 35 years, my educated guess is that if there is homosexuality there are demons probably 100% of the time. And the same goes for heterosexuality outside of the marriage covenant.

These are lust demons.

The bad news is that almost everyone we know have lust demons of one type or another in them, because most don’t make sure they live holy enough to get and stay free. The good news is that once born-again, Holy Spirit indwelt Christians determine to get and stay free the demons have no right to stay and it’s easy to be free: “Submit to God; resist the Devil and he will flee” (James 4 — the overcoming-partysville chapter).

When I say it’s “easy” though, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s easy overall.
It’s easy and even automatic to stay free once we have committed 100% to keep our thoughts pure and not do what we know we shouldn’t. It takes total cold-turkey. If we give the devil a place he (or the demons) will enter, often instantly. And once they’re in, which is I think the condition of most modern Americans Christian or not, then the person is lust-demon driven. Many don’t even know what it even feels like to be free. But once a person is free and then willfully lusts (commits adultery in his/her heart – Mt. 5), then I would think any spiritually aware person would notice the great difference. All of a sudden it’s hard not to lust, for example, whereas before it was easy to not think those thoughts at all.

Sadly, there have been churches that teach that demons can’t be in Christians even though the Bible, the Holy Spirit (Whom Jesus said will lead us into all truth) and experience definitely teach otherwise. The result is truly born-again Christians how to break sin problems. And many ‘Christians,’ unware have hate and anger demons in them, pride demons, etc.. And if they think they can’t be influenced by demons directly the demons have their way because the ‘Christian’ is unaware of their schemes because of bad doctrine.
And it’s often in the heart where the demons hide and do their thing. Jesus said in Matthew 5:

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’ 28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna. 30 If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna.

David said: “Create in me a clean heart, Oh God, and renew a right spirit within me.”

The heart is the seat of the emotions. It’s the deepest source of good or evil.

We’re to love God with all of our heart — the Greatest Commandment.
Jesus said in Matthew 18 we’re to from our heart forgive our brothers, otherwise the tormentors have a right (a place – Eph. 4) to torment us. This is God’s way of encouraging us to learn how to totally forgive and walk in love. “Perfect love casts out fear” (1 John 4). Less than perfect love doesn’t.
1 John 5 says how we are to keep ourselves free from the evil one by not sinning in the ways that give demons a place: “We know that whoever is born of God doesn’t sin, but he who was born of God keeps himself, and the evil one doesn’t touch him.”

Paul said in Galatians 5 that going-to-heaven Christians have crucified their flesh. Whether today’s pastors teach this or not, this is what the Bible teaches, which I explain more fully in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? This fits with 1 John 5.

I’ve shared this VISION on this site before. I could see myself from a few feet away, and there was a spirit over my right shoulder. I could tell that I had been lust free, but when I willfully lusted (in my thinking only) the demon, seemingly with great glee went something like “A hah!” with a big smile, and went right into my body. Apparently, they greatly enjoy driving humans sins, pushing the gas pedal to the metal, if they can.

And that’s how easy it is to be imprisoned by lust demons — the demons that drive lust, because we give them a right when we willfully sin. And seeing a UFO (for us guys — an Unclad Female Object) isn’t sinning. It’s sinning when we willfully keep looking, when we don’t look away, willfully thinking things we know we shouldn’t, giving ourselves over to the dark side in this lust area, actually.

I’ve only felt a homosexual spirit once, but the process is similar. I don’t remember if I was totally lust free at the time (This was at least 20 years ago), but I remember part of this clear as day. Probably not, because otherwise I don’t think I would have felt any kind of lust spirit.

Have you ever been a few feet away from a person of the opposite sex and have felt a sexual attraction, a pulling even though you may have not even really looked at the person at all? I think we’ll only feel these lust spirits if we’re not totally, 100% lust free. For example, I was sitting in a college class more than 20 years ago, not even thinking about the woman sitting next to me, but I felt this lust spirit. I found out later she was an actual prostitute. But my guess is that I probably wouldn’t even have felt the lust spirit(s) if I was totally lust free at the time.

Many people give into these spirits and do things they shouldn’t, instead of recognizing what they are and totally getting and staying free. Most sex is lust, not love driven. We must keep our hearts clean to be free!

Continuing my once-in-a-lifetime homosexual-lust demon experience, I was sitting in a small room with the guys I was working with, and all of a sudden I felt this strong lust spirit. And the only people around me were guys. I didn’t try to figure out which guy it was. I just got out of there and I think prayed in tongues (perhaps the best way to deal directly with the demonic), and I never felt a homosexual lust spirit again.

But if I wasn’t that aware or that dedicated, who knows where that could have led? And many times this happens with children, who really don’t understand at all why they’re feeling like they are.

We need to be really, really non-judgmental and totally accepting of homosexuals. They, perhaps you are in a demonically driven lust trap. This is what happens when people worship the creation instead of worship the Creator. And I think Romans 1 applies to heterosexual lust too. Many reverse-Christians bash homosexuals with Romans 1 when they’re not heterosexual-lust free themselves. Here is God’s view of homosexuals, from my Let Us Be ONE prophesy, part 17 of 33:

The Homosexuals Will Arise

The homosexuals will arise. They have been hurt so badly in their heart. They are not the enemy. They are full of hurt, and are looking for a way out. You can help if you don’t judge. Don’t criticize; show them the way through your smile. They are not worse than you, just unforgiven. They have a long way to go, but are not weird, as some would say. Do not mock. Lift them up. Give them space to watch.

Pray with them when you get a chance, but until then be slow. Their hearts are brittle, hardened by sin that has often been done unto them, not of their own accord. Have grace and Mercy, not judgment, or pain will come to you both, and alienation from the things of God, the life I can give.

It can happen. Love can start with you. It just takes one. Find it and run, run with arms outstretched, praying as you go, praying in tongues a lot. Don’t hold back. This is a precious gift. Use it now; it is for you to be free, to be built up in the might of My Spirit. Pray often, and do not faint. Do not let the world take control. I have overcome the world. You will too, if you walk in My steps, living a life of love.

‘Christians’ have elevated homosexuality way above heterosexual lust sinning, and I don’t see this in the Bible. All willful lusters are in danger of going to hell. See Paul’s who-won’t-inherit-the-kingdom list in Galatians 5, written in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Guys, stop judging homosexuals. Instead, we need to “show them the way through our smile,” God says.

Heterosexual or homosexual lust freedom is not that hard IF we go cold turkey, 100% “I won’t go there at all, period!”

Lust freedom is only a hair’s breadth away. And we can help each other be free forever.

Lust freedom is a key way for revival to happen, which I believe will be the Third Great Awakening, when we are ONE with each other in Christ. “Then the world will know.”

The bad news is that demons drive lust. Demons are yukky, and who wants to be inhabited by an evil spirit, which I believe most ‘Christians’ are, let alone non-Christians.

The good news is that demons drive lust, because many people think they can never become lust free. They don’t understand that there is a creature driving their lust. Once we realize how lust works it’s easy to be free IF we go cold turkey, 100% “I won’t go there at all, period!”

And pray in tongues, you all. The Devil hates it when we use this gift. But praying in tongues deals with demons. God gives us precisely targeted prayer language to do the job without us having to see specifically the demons in order to drive them out in some other yukky way. Praying in tongues rocks!

You don’t have to pray in tongues. It’s possible to get free without using this gift of the Holy Spirit. But why wouldn’t you when it’s so effective and God tells us to?

“Submit to God (100% ‘I won’t give lust demons a place’); resist the Devil (pray in tongues) and he will flee!”

And you will be free.

And we will be ONE with each other when we crucify the flesh (Gal. 5) so demons cannot have a place (Eph. 4).

Power to the peaceful!

We need to NEVER EVER put condemnation trips on homosexuals. Please! Many homosexuals are a heartbeat away from really rocking in God!
I’m doing my best to show them the way through my smile. Praise God for the Holy Spirit and prophesy that helps show us the way! Not many people so far have read and have been changed by my Let Us Be ONE prophesy, but I have.

We shouldn’t hold a person’s sin-history against anyone, period. We can all break free from these lust demons so homosexuals are no longer homosexuals. Heterosexual lusters will no longer be hetero-lusters. Alcoholics will no longer alcoholics (it’s probably demon driven too).

Let’s be ONE — okay?

Jeff Fenske

To Be Free!

: )

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The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy

To my homosexual friends: May we all be ‘ONE’ in Christ! What is the ‘fury fire’ that Piper Perabo talks about? How can it be tamed? What is God’s true perspective in “The Homosexuals Will Arise” prophecy and what does Romans 1 really say?

Against Masturbation: “Men rob themselves of the very essence and energy that fuel their lives and protect their health”

When Sin Looks Delicious: TAKE THE BLAME for wanting to sin; RESIST Satan; RESOLVE that you will not sin; GIVE THANKS for Jesus’ enabling grace

(video) Freud, Zionism and Sexual Revolution: Resentment against Christ and Gentiles is a motivating factor in promoting sexual degeneration and pornography

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT” — Includes my dream of being in danger of going to hell just for lusting while watching TV

[science] Why is Lust Addictive? — SEX increases dopamine by 200 units (1/6 the height of a METH euphoria)

2014 Pornography Survey of ‘Christian’ Men: MAJORITY not only lusting, but into porn!!

Bikini Facts: The bikini was introduced by inspiration of Satan. When the bikini was first invented…

[ video ] Jessica Rey: The Evolution of the Swimsuit — Can Modesty Make a Comeback?

[FreedomQuote] “Women, the way a man looks at you is out of your control, but what you reveal is up to you.”

[Lust Freedom!] As Cautiously as Folding Our Own Parachute — “We ought to think out each step with the same kind of rationale and determination that a man uses when he folds his own parachute. Small, careful decisions can save his life. 5 minutes of pleasure earned Esau the loss of a lifetime of blessing and the enmity of God. Is it worth it?”
Lust: Another Name For Adultery – Dan Corner

ROMANCE NOVELS Can Become ADDICTIVE — Women experience the same addicting chemical release as men do from viewing porn

Charles Finney (1835): Instruction of Young Converts — “AIM AT BEING PERFECT. It should be their constant purpose to live wholly to God…. IF THEY SHOULD SIN it would be an inconsistency…. THEY OUGHT NOT TO SIN AT ALL; they are bound to be as holy as God is. And young converts should be taught to set out in the right course OR THEY WILL NEVER BE RIGHT”

I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues. A reader thankfully put me over the edge : ) I need to re-write this someday so it’s not written mostly in a comment. But it’s all there.

The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit? The believers, not the non-believers, have opened the gate to sin, which is why this country has deteriorated

Can a Christian Have a Demon? Absolutely! Most Have Many!
A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

Let Us Be ONE, Part 13 of 33

A Gift that Will Set Many Free!

There is another day, a day that will happen if you let it.

I want you to be free, free from anxiety. A death warrant is out for your souls. It will get you if you let it. You must pray.

Many die from unknown causes. They are weak from attacks from the Devil who never gives up—curse after curse—toward My people. Many have given in, unable to walk.

Tongues, I’ve given you the gift of tongues from My heart to you. It is a gift that will set many free if you use it regularly. It is for you to walk holy, set free in forgiveness while you pray.

The two work together. One attacks the Devil, while you release those who have hurt you deeply, wounded your soul.

Pray for them. You can focus; you don’t have to pray in general all the time. I will give you the gift of life as you pray.

This is how it works. Believe in your heart you are praying for one another; though, it will come from the Holy Ghost, the words you emit that I give you to speak. Focus on these people, and pray until your tongues cease. I will tell you who to pray for, but this isn’t necessary. You can pray for anyone that way.

Believe in your heart; direct your tongues. I will fill your mouth as you speak and set people free. I will pray perfectly, as you obey, giving your life to others through prayer.

Amazing things will result! Your heart will be glad!

Watch Me do it. Prove My point. Try it now. Focus on someone who needs prayer. Believe in your heart you are praying for them as you speak words from above that fill your mouth. Pray it out, and watch them change, for I will release them from anger and all kinds of oppressions as you pray. You will see it, and it will amaze your intelligence. Many will be set free. Do it now. This is an important point.

And as you pray, forgive, release them from all kinds of cares and bondages. The two work hand in hand. You forgive and I pray through your words that I give you.

This is freedom! Set them free. Do it now; why wait when you can have the chance to move mountains, have an impact on society that many will see and feel. Your heart will be glad. Many will walk holy.

Pray for your elders. Many are not in the ministry to give life. Many are sucking you dry. They need to give up the ghost of unforgiveness and get on the bandwagon of love.

The seal of approval, you all want it. You can have it now. Why wait? You can be in Me as we speak. You can know for sure that you are sons of God, that I am in you and you are in Me. You will feel it. Your heart will be glad, and you will pray.

I will take you to heights unknown. Miracles will take place all around you as you obey. Many will be glad that you took the step of faith to lead. When all looked hopeless, you got up from your seat and prayed.

Pray. Let your heart be glad, and don’t give up. Pray until your tongues stop. This is an amazing gift that has much power to change.

Anyone can pray in tongues. It is a gift for all who obey, all who call on Me for Mercy.

Drink deeply, and let it give you life, freeing you, while you relax and find peace in a home here on earth.

We are together. Let us pray.

I have a category called heart, soul, mind, gut? Notice all of the references to the heart in the above prophecy and in the Bible itself. “The heart is more than a pump.”

Survey of Christian Men on the Subject of Women’s Clothing — Men responded: “This area is the greatest challenge in my life!” • “Men are created in such a way as to be stimulated by sight.” • “Demon influence and demon possession is rampant. Evil triumphs when the church does nothing!” • Many more

[Princeton study] Is it wrong to wear a bikini? — The fully-clothed women were seen as being in control of their own actions, whereas the immodest ones were objects to be acted upon

What does God say? Women, children and men exposing themselves to TSAs in NAKED BODY SCANNERS!

David Bercot’s CD teaching: Separation from the World — What the Early Christians Believed About Separation from the World. D. Bercot. The Bible exhorts us: “Adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.” So…
 
 

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1942 Minnesota: Bathing beaches prior to the low-cut top epidemic
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Pure blasphemy from the senior managing editor of "Christianity Today!"

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On December 2, 2010

In Doctrines of Demons?, The Church is Getting Jacked!

Mark Galli is not just a contributing writer. On his own website he says he’s the “senior managing editor of Christianity Today!”

This concerned Christian is totally right:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwCc09rYNuQ]Christianity Today Blasphemy!

pennylaneproductions | November 12, 2010 | 5 likes, 0 dislikes

Please pass this on. You will be appalled at the defamation of God you are about to hear from the editor of this so-called Christian magazine. Mark Galli sounds just like today’s rank atheists. July 2010 CT website ‘Divine Drama Queen’. Look it up! One respondent actually wrote that “no way any God of mine could be like to Old Testament one. I see not a shred of morality in that guy”! The same person goes on to write ” Sometimes the greatest danger for Christians is actually reading the Old Testament”.

The actual article from Christianity Today:

Divine Drama Queen

But I’d secretly rather have a God who is a non-anxious presence.

Mark Galli | posted 7/15/2010 09:28AM
I like a tranquil, even-keeled, self-controlled God. A God who doesn’t fly off the handle at the least provocation. A God who lives one step above the fray. A God who has that British stiff upper lip even when disaster is looming.
When I read my Bible, though, I keep running into a different God, and I’m not pleased. This God says he “hates” sin. Well, he usually yells it. Read the prophets. It’s just one harangue after another, all in loud decibels. And when the shouting is over, then comes the pouting. …
This God is like the volatile Italian woman who, upon discovering her husband’s unfaithfulness, yells and throws dishes, refuses to sleep in the same bed, and doesn’t speak to him for 40 days and 40 nights.
We may think this a crude depiction, except that Jesus—God with us—seems to suffer the same emotional imbalance. He rants about Pharisees and Scribes—or “snakes” and “hypocrites,” as he calls them. So upset is he over sacrilege in the Temple, he overturns tables and drives people out with a whip. And then we find him lamenting, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! See, your house is left to you desolate!”(Matt. 23:37-38).
This God knows nothing about being a non-anxious presence. This is a very anxious God, indeed.
I’d rather have a God who takes sin in stride. Why can’t he relax and recognize that to err is human. I mean, you don’t find us flawed humans freaking out about one another’s sins. You don’t see us wrathful, indignant, and pouting. Why can’t God almighty just chill out and realize we’re just human?

Entire Article Here
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Compare the above to our real God, speaking. From my Let Us Be ONE prophecy, part 3 of 33:

Jesus’ Heart-Cry: “Let Us Be ONE”

Let us be one. My cry is out to you to come near. I want My people, please? May we be one. I need you to pray, to fall on your face and not give up. Press in, overcome temptation. Be not afraid to obey. I will give you life, all those who follow. You will not faint. You will grow strong when you give up the ghosts that hold you back, the sins of iniquity.

Feel My hurt. It is great. My people have vanished from My life. I am sad, and you are lonely. There are few that remain close to Me where I can nourish their souls.

In Me there is life. There is no other way. I in you; you in Me, where we belong—together. Let us be one, together in love, where we can pray, enveloping each other in goodness. We can do that. It’s not all one way. I am life. There is no other to follow. We can be friends. I will lead, but I will receive as you repent and draw close to Me. For I love My people. I love to pray. I intercede for the saints to bring them pleasure. We can be one. We can be close, you and I.

There is a place of holiness, where you will always be at My feet, a place of blessing. Let it come. Let it envelop you. Let it take over your pride.

Come, My people. Let us rest. Follow no other. I am your place of security, where power dwells, power to overcome sin, pride and temptation. I have life to give.

You are My friend. Get up and be counted among the sheep. For there is error. Life has ceased for a reason. The church is dirty, a place of filth. It is not My home. How can I dwell among an unclean people who hurt each other, who tell each other stories, who hurt from the heart those that care?

Reverse-Christians 'Pastor' Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin on Wikileaks exposures: KILL the messenger! — Instead of "Maybe we should admit where we've been wrong and apologize to our neighbors and be real Christians. WWJD? = What Would Jesus Do? | What Would Jesus Have US Do?

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On December 1, 2010

In Doctrines of Demons?, Forgive & Be FREE, Power OVER or under, Reverse-Christianity Responsible

“Christians” are destroying the land of the free!

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“If my people, who are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways;
then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.

– God
2 Cor. 7:14

America,
the unforgiven

From: The Guardian

US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee

The Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has called for whoever leaked the 250,000 US diplomatic cables to be executed.

Huckabee, who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination at the last election but is one of the favourites for 2012, joined a growing number of people demanding the severest punishment possible for those behind the leak, which has prompted a global diplomatic crisis.

His fellow potential Republican nominee Sarah Palin had already called for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to be “hunted down“, and an adviser to the Canadian prime minister has echoed her comments.

Huckabee said: “Whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason, and I think anything less than execution is too kind a penalty.” …

Tom Flanagan, a senior adviser to the Canadian prime minister, Stephen Harper, issued what has been described as a fatwa against Assange, on the Canadian TV station CBC.

“I think Assange should be assassinated, actually,” he said. “I think Obama should put out a contract and maybe use a drone or something.” Flanagan chuckled as he made the comment but did not retract it when questioned, adding: “I wouldn’t feel unhappy if Assange does disappear.”

Entire Article Here
Related (lots of reverse-Christianity here. We should be ashamed, instead of “Rah, Rah!”):
Paul Craig Roberts on ‘Pastor’ Mike Huckabee calling for Assange’s execution: “So here we have a ‘man of God’ calling for the US government to murder an Australian citizen. And Americans wonder why the rest of the world hates their guts.”
Pat Buchanan: “On foreign policy … Ron Paul and Sarah Palin are on opposite sides completely.” What would Jesus do?
Paul Craig Roberts: The Collapse Of Western Morality — “Americans will be the first people sent straight to Hell while thinking that they are the salt of the earth”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
All of my Sarah Palin posts at ToBeFree
All of my Mike Huckabee posts at ToBeFree

David Bercot's CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About War — Jesus taught his followers to love their enemies. How literally did the early Christians take Jesus' teachings?

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On November 29, 2010

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Forgive & Be FREE, Getting Right with Each Other, No Enemy, Power OVER or under, Real History, Revival

The evangelicals almost 100% support for what have proven to be immoral wars is totally reverse-Christian.

We really need to get right in our hearts in this issue for real Christianity to happen among us — to be safe in God — to have the world’s respect — and so God will be glorified through His people who are finally respectable.

“Then the world will know,” Jesus said in John 17 — when we become one with each other in Himself!

I will say that I don’t totally agree with Bercot on pacifism though. We need to be led by what we know in our heart is right — keeping step with the Holy Spirit. And angry/unforgiving people (most American ‘Christians’?) are going to have a hard time hearing from God in this area. I do believe there is a place to defend people and even countries, but we’ll know it’s right when if this time would come.

Most wars are not just wars, especially Bush War I and Bush War II. Did Afghanistan or Iraq attack us? And what ever happened to forgiving, instead of revenge? Maybe if Christians would forgive the Muslims they’d be more interested in researching what really happened on 9/11. Jet fuel cannot take down steel buildings. The proof is at my other main site, ToBeFree. The ‘church’ has been had, duped, so that they’re complicit in these huge attrocities! And now they’re even going through the naked body scanners?!!

We need to really re-assess this important subject, especially since Sarah Palin, John Hagee, and others are insisting we nuke Iran without even knowing for sure Iran has nukes! And they totally ignore our long, dark history in manipulating Iran’s government covertly. To many evangelicals, humbling ourselves, apology and discussion isn’t even an option. We solve everything through power-over: WAR verses What Would Jesus Do? and what would the Holy Spirit have us do?

And Sarah and John don’t even call Israel to apologize for their pride and arrogance in their numerous and egregious inhumane atrocities, partly from their lack of willingness to forgive too.

Now we are our own gods. We do our own thing. “We don’t need the Holy Spirit to lead us for we have the Bible” — and we have nukes!

I saw a John Hagee conference in which many famous evangelical leaders and I think even some politicians attended. The singers sang “Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit,” while John led this “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” rally.

Hagee might as well be singing: “I did it MY WAY.” Strikers are disqualified from being church leaders according to Paul’s overseer qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus, by the way.

And soon it may be “bomb, bomb, bomb America.” God won’t save a people who reject His leadership.

What goes around comes around. We reap what we sow.

Maybe Israel deserves getting bombed, for what they’ve done so hatefully to others. And maybe we do too for our unrepentant covert and overt operations/manipulations in God’s name over many decades! Ever thought of that? If we get nuked or EMP’d, who is to blame? We certainly don’t deserve God’s protection at this point. Does Israel?

It was God’s will that Assyria and Babylon conquered Israel and took them into captivity because they had stubbornly ignored His leading. Consider this, part 6 of my “Let Us Be ONE” prophesy: “I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away.”

Why 9/11? | Forgiveness is the Key to Repentance

10/3/01

There is fear in My people—a fear that is great. You need not dismay, for I am with you. I am in everything you do, non-stop. I never cease.

Feel My hurt, imagine the pain, when you go your own way. I am in you, waiting. Let’s be one. Let’s do it.

There is another thing: a disaster has struck. People have been hurt, suicide bombings attacking towers. Why?

Do you not know that I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away?

We are one; we need not be far away. There is a way that seems right to a man. Disaster will result unless we forgive.

See the fallen; see them rise up and be refreshed as you give them a kiss, a holy kiss from above, pulling them up, giving them aid when they are down.

Let Me be in control; let Me lead your life. Do not be full of error, wondering this or that, going to and fro, not sure of which direction, being unable to forgive. Forgiveness is the key to repentance.

I forgave. I hung there and gave My life so you can have freedom. I hurt so you can walk in humility and be refreshed. You must take it and run, the precious gift of forgiveness, but not just for yourself, for others.

Forgive and be free.

Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.” So where does that leave the warmongers? What is the opposite of blessing for the warmongers? And whose children are they — those who won’t repent for supporting the Illuminati Bush wars that are actually taking out countries who would oppose Satan’s one-world government? See: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

We need to wash our hands and be clean. It’s probably too late to save America, but at least we can save ourselves from hellfire for wishing evil on people who didn’t even do anything to us.

We need to be way more careful. Today’s ‘Christianity’ is far different from real Christianity. Warmongering is a stench in God’s eyes and others.

What does the Bible really say?

What is the Holy Spirit saying? Hardly anyone seems to be hearing God anymore. What’s up with that?

And what does early Christian history say?

Jeff
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David Bercot's CD teaching: How to Harmonize Paul and James | "Once Luther remarked that he would give his doctor’s beret to anyone who could reconcile James and Paul."

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David Bercot. James wrote, ““Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? …You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone.” But Paul said, “If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. …But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.”Harmonizing these seemingly contradictory passages is no mere theological exercise. No, the answer to this apparent contradiction lies at the very heart of Christianity.This 3-CD set consists of two audio CDs and one text CD-ROM which can be read on any computer.
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Martin Luther’s Subordinate Bible Books: Hebrews, James, Jude & Revelation

I transcribed this years ago from: Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther, by Roland H. Bainton, 1978, p. 259-261.

Luther read the New Testament in light of the Pauline message that the just shall live by faith and not by works of the law. That this doctrine is not enunciated through the New Testament with equal emphasis and appears to be denied in the book of James did not escape Luther, and in his preface to the New Testament of 1522 James was stigmatized as “an epistle of straw.” Once Luther remarked that he would give his doctor’s beret to anyone who could reconcile James and Paul. Yet he did not venture to reject James from the canon of Scripture [not true – editor], and on occasion earned his own beret by effecting a reconciliation. “Faith,” he wrote, “is a living, restless thing. It cannot be inoperative. We are not saved by works: but if there be no works there must be something amiss with faith.” This was simply to put a Pauline construction on James. The conclusion was a hierarchy of values within the New Testament. First Luther would place the Gospel of John, then the Pauline Epistles and First Peter, after them the three other Gospels, and in a subordinate place Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation.

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David Bercot CD teaching: What the Early Christians Believed About Imputed Righteousness. Is salvation simply a heavenly bookkeeping transaction, where the righteousness of Christ is credited to Christians whether or not they have any actual holiness in themselves?

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David Bercot's CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Salvation — Did the early Christians believe that we saved by faith alone? Does obedience play a role in salvation? What the early Christians believed may surprise you.

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David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? "You might be surprised to know…"

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“You might be surprised to know that the tithe,
as it’s taught in churches today,
is not something that anyone has taken from the New Testament
or from the early church.

It actually came into being after Constantine legalized Christianity.”

– David Bercot
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from this disc

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David Bercot's CD teaching: Dispensationalism exposed as a modern invention contrary to the historic faith!

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David Bercot's CD teaching: What the Early Christians Believed About Venerating Images and Praying to Saints?

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Zeitgeist | The Response

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John Hagee: Unrepentant Heretic? — Today, churchgoers stand hand in hand with a Jewish people who would crucify Christ again if He walked their streets.

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A system of eschatological escapism and heresy begun in the mid-nineteenth century British Isles today feeds on Christian fundamentalist idealism and desire to please anti-Christ Jews. It has brought Christian evangelicalism to a shocking state. The church is embarrassed to name Christ to those He first came to redeem—the lost sheep of the house of Israel. It disobeys Christ’s great commission to spread the gospel to the whole world, starting with Jerusalem.

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HAGEE: UNREPENTANT HERETIC

By Harmony Daws
23 Nov 10

A Christian recently wrote to me asking for more clarity about John Hagee, whom I have called a heretic. Hagee has tried to defend himself against this oft-made charge, even revising his book and carefully denying belief in a dual covenant where Jews can be saved apart from Christ. Yet in his Christians United for Israel conferences held in most major cities, he enforces a strict policy of not mentioning Jesus, forbidding attendees to attempt to convert them. Hagee zealously trumpets the cause of political Zionism, believing Jewish control of all Palestine will hasten the Rapture, and puts this priority far ahead of bringing Christ to the Jewish people.

Hagee is not alone in believing and teaching that Christians have a moral duty to support the physical, political dominance of Jews in Palestine regardless of their spiritual condition before God. This has not always been the case. Most Christians once prioritized evangelism to Jews and expansion of Christian civilization; they believed the Jews would return to the Holy Land only as a result of converting to obedient faith in Christ. Today, that truth has been lost. As it eroded, so did the American church’s sense of responsibility to evangelize the Jewish people. Today, all major Christian Zionist organizations actively discourage evangelism to Jews, preferring to expedite political cooperation for the conquest of the Promised Land. Inappropriate Zionist goals have also misshaped the American church’s view of the Arabs of the Mideast; siding with Israel has made Christians angry antagonists, not evangelists, to the one billion plus Muslims in the world today.

Thoughtful Christians need to take a much harder look at this incredible development. Today, churchgoers stand hand in hand with a Jewish people who would crucify Christ again if He walked their streets. Judaism and Israel does crucify Him by forbidding His missionaries, banning His Bible, and reviling Him in Jewish sacred writings. The alliance between evangelicals and Jews is both strange and unholy, yet only half the alliance—the Jewish activists who tentatively partner with believers—seem aware of its forced, unnatural and temporary status. Christians, with a naïve and self-betraying ardor, embrace and fund the Jewish people, seeking the benediction of its rabbis and the partnership of its activists. Let’s again look closely at the state of spirituality in Christian Zionist organizations, comparing their activities to what is mandated by the Bible. We have to ask, “Can any sincere Christian know these facts and still take part?”

No Christ in Christians United for Israel

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Away from Spiritual Roots

The 2009 Jews for Jesus study is titled, “How Christian is Christian Zionism?” It retells the shift from religious Christian Zionism to political Christian Zionism, from a church focused on sharing Christ with Jews to a church focused on getting the Jews into political power in Israel. Stephen Sizer, author of Christian Zionism: Roadmap to Armageddon, points out that most Christians used to believe the Jews would inherit Palestine as a result of converting to Christ. Although some Christians had always believed the Jews would rule Palestine before finding Jesus, the idea began to gather real steam about the time that Theodore Herzl was pioneering political Zionism in the late nineteenth century.

In 1909, C. I. Scofield forever changed the landscape of American Christianity with his annotated Bible. Scofield taught that certain events must occur before Jesus can return and rapture the faithful to heaven. Perhaps most importantly, the Jews must be reinstated in Palestine. Scofield’s work carried on the legacy of late-nineteenth century eschatologist John Nelson Darby, who is considered the father of modern Dispensationalist theology and was a respected explainer of End Times theology.

Darby believed the church will be raptured before any tribulation occurs, as did Scofield—and as do Hagee, Tim LaHaye and other contemporary hasteners of Armageddon. Since believers will enjoy a quick stage-left exit, according to these pastors, the church should do everything it can to hasten the end of the age—including getting the Jews into dominion in the Holy Land. Darby and modern dispensationalists teach that the Jews are still under God’s unconditional blessing, even in rebellion; their vision of the ongoing Abrahamic covenant means that despite rejection—even persecution—of Christ and His followers, the right of all Jews to consider themselves God’s chosen people and occupy Palestine as a nation remains unaltered. These theologians laid the groundwork for a Christian Zionism intent on reinstating Jews in rebellious conquest of the Promised Land and thus signaling the church’s elevator ride to heaven.

According to the Jews for Jesus report, this uncharitable emphasis truly began to cut off Christian evangelism to Jews around 1970. “ It was only after the establishment of the State of Israel and indeed after the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967 that we began to see the rise of a non-biblical or rather a political Christian Zionism that divorced itself from Jewish evangelism.” Scofield’s seeds were in full bloom at this point. A church intensely focusing on the rapture has less and less interest in saving Jewish souls in the here and now.

A system of eschatological escapism and heresy begun in the mid-nineteenth century British Isles today feeds on Christian fundamentalist idealism and desire to please anti-Christ Jews. It has brought Christian evangelicalism to a shocking state. The church is embarrassed to name Christ to those He first came to redeem—the lost sheep of the house of Israel. It disobeys Christ’s great commission to spread the gospel to the whole world, starting with Jerusalem.

Is there any worse description of heresy?

Harmony Grant is a writer for National Prayer Network. To greater understand the illogic behind hate laws, read her article “Top Eleven Reasons You Should Fight Hate Laws.”

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Awakening Meetings End at IHOP. Why?

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IHOP head, Mike Bickle says this (from: IHOP…):

Our last awakening service this year was on Saturday, October 9. Wes Hall shared at Forerunner Christian Fellowship on Sunday, September 19, on how the Lord spoke to us about this. We encourage you to listen to Wes’s message.

“The awakening leadership received a word from the Lord from several people, leading them to the conclusion that it was time to discontinue the awakening services for a season. At that time, the nightly meetings were full of life and full of people, yet Wes Hall, Allen Hood, and the awakening leadership team responded in obedience to the word from the Lord. It is very unusual for leaders to stop such meetings when they are full and successful by every human standard. The fruit from laboring for eleven months in this time of awakening (November 2009 to October 2010) is very good. We received over 6,000 testimonies of emotional and physical healing from all over the world and we have had the privilege of baptizing over 1,700 people. I am very proud of the excellent leadership of Wes Hall and Allen Hood and their team. The IHOP–KC family is in a much better place because of their labors.”

—Mike Bickle

Here’s my take:
I was totally rooting for IHOP! Their goal was to see the Third Great Awakening happen before their eyes, which is God’s goal.
For about 3 months, I watched many of the 6-hour meetings in their entirety. I was thrilled at Wes Hall’s attitude and teachings. But more and more I became leery about what IHOPU president, Allen Hood was saying.
It’s no surprise to me that the revival started in Wes’ class. Wes just shone. He seems to be as pure as snow. It’s also no surprise that Wes became noticeably touched by God over and over and over, while Allen seemed to be hardly affected.
“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” This is a principle that I’ve seen demonstrated in many of the revival meetings I’ve been in.
I have found that most church leaders aren’t fully right with God and people, so it’s usually the norm that they don’t get touched. You can watch them. Hundreds will be  greatly touched by God, as did Wes, but with the leaders who aren’t holy, little happens, or they put on an act.
Wes stated a number of times that who gets touched doesn’t really mean anything, but from what I’ve seen, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” is a key factor, if not the key factor.
It is my opinion that God wants to move among every human being in fullness, but we have to be right with Him and each other, otherwise bad things would happen when God reveals Himself in a greater fullness. So God can’t fully come until our hearts are pure. Mike Bickle knows this:

Mike Bickle: Making a Purity Covenant so the HOLY Spirit can come and we won’t get zapped … to bless His heart — that we may be ONE!

In Acts, Ananias and Sapphira died because they publicly lied in God’s presence. The believers in these meetings were greatly respected, but “none of the rest dared to join them.”
After Ananias and Sapphira died, Luke writes in Acts 5:

11 Great fear came on the whole assembly, and on all who heard these things.

12 By the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. They were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch. 13 None of the rest dared to join them, however the people honored them. 14 More believers were added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

Why didn’t the rest dare to join them? Because they weren’t right enough with God and people, just like most ‘Christians’ today. They weren’t walking in “perfect love” so their “perfect love casted out all fear (James)” to be able to rest in confidence in the manifest presence of the HOLY Spirit.
Most ‘Christians’ today (including leadership) are either putting on that they’re holy or they don’t even claim to be. After all, the currently popular teaching is that they’re saved no matter what — if they’ve been truly been born again — which is the very doctrine that are keeping ‘churches’ from being holy enough for God to fully come.
To me, it is crystal clear that the main thing that kept the IHOP awakening meetings in the stuck mode is Allen Hood’s salvation doctrine (see related articles, below) which Mike Bickle must have approved. Mike even said in his statement “I am very proud of … Allen Hood;” even though, Allen gave attendees a license to willfully sin. I wrote these. It’s so clear:

False, revival killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings 🙁

FALSE DOCTRINE: Why won’t Christian leaders even mention Hebrews 10:26? An IHOP example — so close and yet so far away — from full REVIVAL 🙁

They kept asking, even telling God to come, but the Holy Spirit couldn’t come in His fullness as He has done in so many previous revivals, including Acts 5 — which is just what is supposed to be normal Christianity. God wants to live among us in a very real way.
There was Allen Hood’s false salvation teaching, but there was also key exhortation that was curiously absent. I kept waiting and waiting and waiting…. The main theme of the Asbury revival (that they must have known about, having studied revival history) was totally missing: the importance of getting right with each other: Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’” Not once, did I hear one of the leaders say we need to get right with each other. Not once!!! As if Asbury never happened.
IHOP also ignored the church history that God emphasized to Shelley Hundley in a dream. He showed her specifically how Jonathan Edwards was a key example for them. But Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God was the opposite of what Allen Hood kept repeating over and over: God loves us no matter what we do — the prevalent teaching in churchianity today — but the truth is still what the Bible clearly teaches: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

There was a key reason that God emphasized Jonathan Edwards, who taught the fear of the Lord, front and center, while Allen taught against the idea that the fear of the Lord applies to ‘Christians’ — except as to what we’ll have to go through on earth. See this.
IHOP was trying to bring in the revival without the Biblical requirement for holiness taught for us to just be real Christians. Only the pure in heart will see God. At Asbury, the Christians publicly confessed their sins. They did James 4, while the IHOP awakening meetings were largely just partysville. From God’s Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4:

“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy [partysville joy, not fruit-of-the-Holy-Spirit joy] to gloom.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.

There was mixture at IHOP. Holiness was an option, not a necessity for those who are God’s children, so many opted out; though, they wanted the blessing of being in God’s fullness while still being too fully in the world — not having even been told to get right with their neighbors so God could come.
Jesus greatly desires us to be ONE. He longs for us to be ONE. Only then will the world know, He said in John 17. Now, the world smells a rat. There is so much unrepentant sin in the ‘church.” God can’t come until we’re ONE. So let’s become ONE! And this will happen when holiness is no longer an option, which is what the Bible really teaches.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” ‘Church’ leaders claim to be wise, but they’re fools when they teach that none of the warning scriptures apply to us; though, they were clearly written to new covenant believers.
This is the great deception. This is what is destroying America and keeping real Christianity, the Third Great Awakening from happening in our midst.
I wonder how many thousands of times I heard those at IHOP actually tell God to come. What gall, I’ve often thought — us telling God what to do when He can’t come in His manifest presence or many would flat out die. How dare we, when He is the Potter and we are the clay.
I think it’s mainly a matter of one church somewhere getting their doctrines right and living accordingly. That will start the Third Great Awakening.
The positive message here is that when we get our doctrines right — especially regarding who goes to heaven — and when we live within what the Bible really says, we will have revival. It will be automatic follow.
The unwavering principle is “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.” It’s not complicated. The Third Great Awakening didn’t happen at IHOP because those who are truly Christ’s wasn’t even taught. “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh” (Paul in Galatians 5). The opposite was actually taught. “People were pacified.”
“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” Who are the humble? Those who obey. Who are those who obey? Those who actually really do love the Lord, our God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength, and who really do love their neighbors as themselves.
That means we have to do Asbury. We have to get right with everybody we’ve hurt. We need to humble ourselves before God and each other. I believe the community that will do this will bring in the Third Great Awakening.
Many good things happened at IHOP. I don’t want to minimize the good. I gave much applause in this blog. I think Wes Hall, especially did a lot of good. I really like Wes!  I think Wes and some of the others even plowed  ground that will make it easier for the Third Great Awakening to happen. But Allen’s reverse-Bible salvation killed it. False salvation doctrine poured water on the whole move.
And then “we bless You, Lord” songs turned more into “bless us, Lord” songs. That was another factor. How much of the worship was really worship — especially in Spirit and in truth? Straight-to-God “We worship You” songs were hardly ever sung. “Worship” was more man centered than “You are awesome!” People’s hearts weren’t right. I saw certain worship leaders start to sing real worship songs, but it’s like the crowd wasn’t ready. They poured poured water on the coals, and rarely did the worship leaders have the courage to fully try again.
Only new wineskins can hold the New Wine, God Himself. It’s really simple. We can’t expect God to move among us differently than He did in previous revivals where the people really repented.

“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.

Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to gloom.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.

We shouldn’t be telling God what to do. We need to do what is right and then He will come. This is guaranteed when we really do humble ourselves to His standard.
Then He will come. We’ll see great miracles! The joy of the Lord will be our strength!
We can have a permanent Asbury where there will be no doubt that God is among us. But first, we need to get our salvation doctrine right.
Or America has to totally fall and we lose everything. Maybe that would also bring about real repentance. But why are we going to wait until then?
We can have revival now. It’s just a matter of us doing what we already know to do — what the Holy Spirit has been convicting us of.
False teachers should step down. Those who teach the truth will bring in this next move.
Luther didn’t get it, yet most pastors basically teach what Luther taught. Some follow John Calvin, but he didn’t get it either. And certainly the Catholic Church didn’t get it. So let’s get it!
We need to believe what Jesus, Paul, James, John, and what the writer to the Hebrews taught.
Then we’ll see heart-soaring, pure revival come!
Related:
My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified
False, revival killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings 🙁
FALSE DOCTRINE: Why won’t Christian leaders even mention Hebrews 10:26? An IHOP example — so close and yet so far away — from full REVIVAL 🙁
Here is an example (if you listen to the audio) of how close (and yet so far away) Mike Bickle (head of IHOP) is to the truth about who goes to heaven
Mike Bickle, Head of IHOP: From Porn to Worship “Within the Minute?” Yikes, Mike!
(video) The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next, even greater revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!
Tommy Welchel on William Seymour and Charles Parham’s 100-Year Prophecy: On the same day in 1909, hundreds of miles apart, they both prophesied God’s visible shekina glory would return to earth after 100 years, but this time everywhere!
Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s *1909 prophecy* of the SHEKINAH GLORY RETURNING to the church *in 100 years*: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. ..the fear of God was on the community, and…they were highly esteemed” | My theory …

Smith Wigglesworth: “THE LAST DAY REVIVAL WILL BE THE GREATEST revival this world has ever seen!”

(audio) Sid Roth on ‘Coast to Coast AM’ 9/1/13: Miracles & Healing — Why did the Azusa St. revival stop (1906-1909)? William Seymour “became too sophisticated for the box” — to hear and obey — but prophesied an even greater revival would happen in 100 years!
Sid Roth: The missing ingredient, speaking in tongues — “I believe that God wants to restore this gift for the last great push of God’s spirit”
Effects of the WELSH REVIVAL 1904-05: Whole communities were radically changed FROM DEPRAVITY TO GLORIOUS GOODNESS. The CRIME RATE dropped, often to nothing. THE POLICE had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings. THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. People who had fallen out BECAME FRIENDS AGAIN!!!!!!!
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”
Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy
All of my Lust Freedom! posts (in reverse-chronological order)

All of my Who Goes to Heaven posts (in reverse-chronological order)
All of my IHOP posts (in reverse-chronological order)

‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not? — The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest reaction yet on our Facebook page…

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On November 9, 2010

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, FreedomQuotes, Who Goes to Heaven

From: johnthebaptisttv.com (Andrew Strom)

‘CARNAL’ CHRISTIANS – Saved or Not?

The following quote from Leonard Ravenhill caused the biggest
reaction yet on our Facebook page. We are now discussing it on
our new website – where ANYONE can now comment (not just
members). Here is the quote and a few replies to kick things off!-

The QUOTE:

“Get rid of this bunkum about the ‘carnal Christian’. Forget it! If
you’re carnal, you’re not saved.” – Leonard Ravenhill.

Some REPLIES:

A.M – “Well the Bible is white and black, there is no gray, either
you’re with Christ or you are against Him.
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather
with me, scatters.””

R.B – “I have enjoyed reading through all the comments regarding
this qoute. In my opinion, and correct me if am wrong Andrew, but
I feel that the meaning of this qoute is refing to those who habitually
live in carnality. I think that every Christian falls into carnallity from
time to time, does that make them “unsaved”? I don’t think so.”

L.C – “Well I don’t agree on this one! The Bible speaks of carnal
“Christians”! In 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 Paul is speaking to the
Corinthian BELIEVERS when he tells them he couldn’t speak to
them as spiritual (one governed by the Spirit) but as carnal, mere
infants in Christ.”

A.M – “If you read 1 corinthians Paul is rebuking them for
being carnal, not condoning it.”

Olive Branch – “Without the phrase (‘Carnal Christian’) many so
called Christians have no way of justifying their sin.”

– Have something important to say on this?
Please add your comment below-

Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on May 5th, 2010 at 1:26 am.
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Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way  | Who are the Children of God?

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

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On November 8, 2010

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Getting Right with Each Other, Tithing or Spirit-led, Who Goes to Heaven

See at my personal blog:

One of my pastor friends died on Saturday —
and I’m not sure where he now is

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Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

I re-wrote the Romans 8 portion of "Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way" — What Romans 8 really says…

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On November 8, 2010

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Who Goes to Heaven

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This is what Paul really says.

Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace….

12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abbaa! Father!”

16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

Excerpt from Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Romans 8:1 is one of the most commonly mistaught scriptures, largely because of certain faulty modern Bible translations like Rupert Murdoch’s NIV:

“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” The NIV stops there, but the KJV, NKJV and others keep Paul’s complete thought: “who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.” (WEB)

And we know this is the correct interpretation to what Paul means to be in Christ Jesus because of what Paul also says in verse four: “that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

Most pastors are teaching that the “no condemnation” from being “in Christ Jesus,” is automatic because Christ died for us and we accepted his free gift. But that’s not what Paul taught at all. It is so clear.

Those “who are in Christ Jesus” have “no condemnation” because they “don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit”—by God’s grace, of course.

Most ‘Christians,’ today, rightfully feel condemnation because they are in one or more areas walking after the flesh and not putting to death the misdeads of the body by the Holy Spirit. Compare what Paul says in Galatians 5:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.

Most pastors are confidence men (con-men) who go to great lengths to convince the people that the condemnation they feel is really from the Devil, because born-again Christians can’t be under condemnation because of what Paul says in Romans 8:1a. They’re totally deceiving the public.

Most ‘Christians’ and pastors constantly live in condemnation. And instead of living totally clean and getting right with those they’ve hurt so they can be free from condemnation, they actually seek comfort from the positive-encouragement K-LOVE propaganda that tells listeners that we’re okay with God no matter what. The “never let go” songs are so popular, while we should really be listening to our-heart-to-God’s real worship music, which hardly gets played at all. Most ‘Christians’ can’t worship in Spirit and in truth because their hearts aren’t right.

“If therefore you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you,leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. (Mt. 5:23, 24)

In ‘church,’ today, it’s all about “I’m okay, you’re okay,” and this simply is not true. “God’s people” aren’t even repenting from supporting the United States’ immoral, reverse-Christian wars. Abortion is deemed so bad while it’s okay to kill hundreds of thousands of full grown humans who never did anything to us, and who are mostly now in Hell (abortion is despicable, but at least the babies go to heaven). We slaughtered them in the name of God and country. America gets what it deserves. We are now becoming a police state, and the end of America may soon be at hand, all because the ‘Christians’ are no longer salt and light. See: The Red Gate Prophecy — What If I Open It Just a Little Bit?

The fear of God has been removed from pastors’ vocabularies and from the songs that are played. The Bible has been gutted. Satan knew he couldn’t get away with adding words to the Bible, so instead, he took them out, largely through his servants, Wescott and Hort.

Paul continues to explain who goes to heaven in the middle of Romans 8, as well as in Romans 11, but pastors are leading the church astray by focusing instead on Romans 8:1a and the last part of the chapter which says nothing can separate us from the love of Christ; though, Paul was referring to those who are truly in Christ Jesus according to what he had previously said in chapter 8.

Americans are getting brainwashed/ mind-controlled. That is what is happening in most churches and on most ‘Christian’ radio and TV today. The deception in the last days is indeed great and almost universal! “Come out from them and be separate” is the remedy.

This is what Paul really says.

Romans 8:1-19

Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace….

12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abbaa! Father!”

16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

Rom. 11:1; 20-23

1 I ask then, Did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. …
20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don’t be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches [the Jews], neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 They also, if they don’t continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus was an example on earth that we should follow in his steps. And having read the warning scriptures that describe what will happen to us if we fall away, “working out our salvation with fear and trembling” as the Holy Spirit enables us to makes total sense.

Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way  | Who are the Children of God?

Hell Vision — the man in the vision represents ministers that preach false teachings and doctrines that lead His people astray. Many churches are the gateways to hell. ONLY A FEW could find their way out of the maze!

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On November 2, 2010

In Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Doctrines of Demons?, Hell is Real - Forever!, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, The Church is Getting Jacked!, Who Goes to Heaven

From: stevequayle.com…

Hell Vision


October 31, 2010
PS
Twenty-eight days ago, the Holy Spirit showed me a vision in my slumber:
My wife and I were in a hotel without measure, it stretched beyond the horizon and was filled with all the desires of one’s heart; the number of rooms were countless.
On several occasions, I left the hotel and my wife followed; however, each time she returned to the room.  As I walked through the maze again to the exit, people were flowing into the hotel like a flood, but only a few could find their way out, for the exit became more and more complex to navigate, due to the multitude of distractions – if only they would follow the light!
I noticed my wife had turned around again.  When I returned to the room, my wife was laying on the bed and there was a man, a hotel employee, standing in the room.  My wife appeared to be in a trance and unclothed herself.  I asked her, what are you doing? Upon hearing my voice she clothed herself.  I then turned to the man and said what is going on?  He said, nothing is going on.  He walked into the bathroom and said, it is not what it looks like, as he vainly looked into the mirror.  When I looked into his eyes and his into mine, I saw the birth of his fear.  He said please don’t kill me, I don’t want to die.  I replied, what are you talking about, all I want to know is what is going on?
He ran from the room and I followed him.  He kept saying, I don’t want to die.  His eyes now showed an insurmountable avalanche of fear, as if his spirit became aware.  It then appeared he could not control his body, as if a powerful dark entity took over.  He placed the bible into his mouth and as it touched his lips, it burst into flames!  The fire engulfed his head, and with his other hand, he placed a pistol into his mouth through the burning bible and pulled the trigger!  I saw his soul leave his body and the Holy Spirit instructed me to follow his soul into hell, deep into the earth.  The demons told him we’ve been waiting for you.  There was wailing and gnashing of teeth, as his skin and muscles and sinews melted from his bones, and fell into a bloody heap, while his eyes beheld the terror, which were the last things to melt!  I felt he could see me, though the demons were not aware of my presence, for I was shielded by the Holy Spirit!  The demons then turned to each other and said, it is time.  As far as my eyes could see in hell, the demons were boarding what appeared to be ancient tunnel boring machines.  When the doors closed, they started to bore into the roof of hell.  The Holy Spirit instructed me to follow them, they bored through the layers of earth and when the machines broke the surface, I was awakened by the Holy Spirit to pray!
Oh my soul cried out to Jesus!  I prayed for God’s people and the lost souls on the outer edges of darkness!  I prayed for God’s watchmen and prayer warriors!  I prayed for spiritual edification and confirmation.  I looked at the clock, it was after 3 am.  The next day the Holy Spirit led me to a prayer warrior; she edified that our loved ones are being seduced back to the world.  I prayed for God’s will and strength and for further edification.  The Holy Spirit told me that the hotel represents the world, and we are in this world, but not of this world, for our true home is in heaven.  That our life in this realm of the flesh wars against the soul and our time here is but a vapor.  That God’s people are destroyed by the lack of knowledge and how easily we are distracted by the lust of this world.  That the man in the vision represents ministers that preach false teachings and doctrines that lead His people astray.  That many churches are the gateways to hell, woe unto them!
My brother, you are 1 of 3, the Holy Spirit instructed me on who to witness to and of the timing.  God be with you for we stand as free beings in Christ, proclaiming the good news of salvation across all the land, fighting the good fight with the strength of the lion of The tribe of Judah, for there is live saving, soul redeeming POWER in the BLOOD of JESUS – Hallelujah!
Your brother in Christ Jesus,
PS

Related:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%?!! And that was 30 years ago, before…! This is serious!

Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved

Salvation: 1 of 4 popular formulas — OR — being right with God and people, by His grace/enablement, "working out our own salvation through fear and trembling?" (Paul's words)

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On October 21, 2010

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Reverse-Christianity Responsible, Who Goes to Heaven

I just have to say something.
I’m having an email discussion with a friend about who goes to heaven, and so much of what he’s saying is based on a formula, instead of “am I right with God because I’m really right with God and people?”
There are many formulas out there. In Lutheranism, it’s about getting infant baptized and confirmation — and perhaps communion. Based on this, Luther said: Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”.
In Catholicism, it’s also largely about baptism and the eucharist. Some still practice confession, but this is to a ‘priest’ (which have been done away with in the New Covenant where Jesus is our Priest), and rarely are those confessing actually told to get right with those they hurt. Say a certain number of “Hail Mary’s” or whatever and you’re scot free. Sad.
And for many evangelicals, it’s mainly about getting truly born-again, getting ‘saved.’ “It’s all about what He did for me.” “Grace.” “He’ll never let go; He’ll never let go; never let go….” Romans 8:1 has been gutted to put the responsibility all on God: “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
Another popular formula is Calvinism, which has always been to me so unbelievably out there, perhaps because I didn’t grow up among it. It shocks me when I find people who actually believe this. It’s kind of an ego/hubris thing, at least for many. Calvinists seem to think they are special because God chose them. In their way of thinking, Jesus didn’t die for everyone, just those Whom He chose, the elect, and God will be faithful to complete His work in them no matter how they respond, as long as they are truly chosen.
In my article,  Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, I chose to simply show what the Bible straightforwardly says about who goes to heaven and who really are God’s children.
Most of the above formulas are pulled mainly from a few key texts, some of which are in Paul’s introductions, in which he is just starting to formulate his ideas. We need to look at the development of Paul’s thought and particularly tune into his conclusions, which, by the way, agree with those of Jesus, John, James, the writer of Hebrews, etc..
These conclusions are that we need to truly be right with God to go to heaven. “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
The Devil wants us to focus on formulas and abstract theories, while Christianity and salvation is actually more simple, more straightforward — common sense.
Christianity is about relationships: having a right relationship with God and with those around us. Then we can rest. Then we are abiding in Him — “in Christ Jesus.”
Will we have faith to enter when it is our time to be judged? Will our conscience condemn us, or will we stand before Him clean? Then our names won’t be removed from the Book of Life (Rev. 3:1-6). Numerous scriptures point this out.
We’ll have faith because we’re clean — not just because of what Jesus did — but because we lived in Him, righteous, by His grace we overcame. We didn’t shrink back. We made sure that we stayed right with Him. We’re supposed to walk like Jesus walked. We can’t just do our own thing and think it’s okay because of some formula. “Without holiness, no man will see God.”
He died so we might have life — living in the Son. “Those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh” (Gal. 5). We must obey. Obedience isn’t an option, because Christianity is about right relationships, not whether we fit into a formula, the demonic spins designed to distract us from what really is important.
Christianity is loving the Lord, our God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves.
Because ‘Christianity’ has largely abandoned the Greatest Two Commandments criteria, our society reflects this, and America is on its last breath.
Regarding predestination and election, I don’t think any of us fully understand it. I don’t think we’re supposed to. The main thing to realize is that when Paul warned Christians about falling away, he was writing to Christians whom he considered the predestined elect. What Paul wrote applied to them, then, and applies to us today.
We don’t need to understand foreknowledge, predestination and election. I’m not concerned about it. I believe that Jesus died for everyone, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth.
I’m concerned with how Jesus, Paul, John, the writer to the Hebrews, James and others said we should live — and their warnings apply to us. What happens if we choose to not obey? This is what we should all be focusing on — getting it all right — living so right.
Then ONE will happen, and no matter what comes down in these coming years, we’ll be spiritually ready — eternally secure.
I know that I have a free will, and I know that I’m truly born again, just as very many really are. If I wanted to, I could live a willfully disobedient life and then go to Hell. But I choose to work out my salvation through fear and trembling (Paul’s words). And each day I have to overcome.
It’s not easy, but it will be when we’re all living in Christ together — ONE. “Then the world will know” and we will be so full of joy!
We should be focused on living Jesus’ Greatest Two Commandments instead of justifying our rightness based upon some doctrine-of-demons formula.
Let’s be real Christians!
Jeff

"Abbott Loop must be ONE." Let's escape the deception and go onto unity!

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On September 16, 2010

In Abbott Loop CC / Unite Church, Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Who Goes to Heaven

I’ve desired to write this post ever since I heard this message, but I wanted to post the ALCC-goals photo first. I’m tired of being called ‘divisive’ when I’ve been calling for unity all along. And we can only be unified when we realize that loving each other as much as we love ourselves isn’t an option if we are to be going-to-heaven, real Christians. And this has not been done.
Do we mean this or not? Many are waiting:

The only way I see John-17 unity happening (short of a total collapse of our nation) is for us to get certain doctrines right, especially our salvation doctrine, which
This is why who goes to heaven is such a big key. It’s not only about where we spend eternity, but it’s about getting real Christianity happening now, which I believe will bring about the Third Great Awakening happening now — here in Anchorage? Why not? We can do it!

What I’m addressing here was said publicly (it’s even online at abbottloop.org… and as a podcast), so I’m responding publicly. We can’t let our egos get in the way. This is about life and death. This is the greatest deception that I’m convinced is the fundamental reason for the fall of America, let alone the horrendous stats of such a tiny percentage of ‘Christians’ actually going to heaven. See How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%?!!
Pastor Joshua Tanner said this in his Sunday message, 7/18/10, entitled: Collossians 2:1-10 “United in Him”:

“Verse 4 [of Col. 2]: ‘Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words.’

You know that I really think deception is the key thing that the Devil wants to bring into the church, because he knows that Jesus has got your heart.

I think [it’s] virtually impossible to deceive someone so much that they lose their salvation. This is my personal opinion.” (And Josh has taught this before. See my link, below.)

The truth is that we don’t have to wonder about what the Bible says. The Bible specifically teaches that it’s easy to lose ones salvation. And Paul directly answers this question in Galatians:

7 Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh [5:19-21] will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit [5:16-18, 22-24] will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Here is the full text, which includes Paul’s most complete lists of who goes to heaven and who doesn’t, and most Christians are clearly not fully in the who-goes-to-heaven list, including most pastors.

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let’s not become conceited, provoking one another, and envying one another.

1 Brothers, even if a man is caught in some fault, you who are spiritual must restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to yourself so that you also aren’t tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if a man thinks himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each man test his own work, and then he will take pride in himself and not in his neighbor. 5 For each man will bear his own burden.

6 But let him who is taught in the word share all good things with him who teaches. 7 Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh [5:19-21] will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit [5:16-18, 22-24] will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don’t give up.

10 So then, as we have opportunity, let’s do what is good toward all men, and especially toward those who are of the household of the faith.

It’s crucial that we come to an understanding about what the Bible really teaches. Then we can become ONE in Him. “Then the world will know” (Jesus in John 17) — and we will be so happy!!!
We can lead the world into revival!
Jeff Fenske : )
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Abbott Loop has apparently joined the once-saved-always-saved camp — “the doctrine that’s bringing US down into the pit” and keeping us apart. But what does the Bible really say?
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
My $6,000 Challenge! I will give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my “Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way” article
Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved

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