(video) $$$Multi-billionaire Joyce Meyer teaches old covenant tithing — “The love of money is the root of all evil”

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkrGGBThk-I]More False Teachings From Joyce Meyer

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Published on Jan 16, 2014

Joyce Meyer on the subject of tithing.

Related:

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — “Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Rebuttal of Jack Hayford on Tithing by Russell Earl Kelly

Rebuttal of Jack Hayford
on Tithing
Russell Earl Kelly

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Related:

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — “Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Rebuttal of Rick Warren on Tithing by Russell Earl Kelly

DR. RUSSELL EARL KELLY REBUTS RICK WARREN ON TITHING 
June 17, 2012

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Related:

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — “Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Felix Manz (1498-1527) – Drowned by Zwingli for Rebaptizing — Manz wanted to bring together those who were willing to accept Christ, OBEY the Word, and FOLLOW in Jesus’ footsteps, to UNITE with these by baptism

From: geraldhsu.wordpress.com

Felix Manz (ca. 1498-1527)

Felix Manz, a Swiss Brethren Anabaptist in Zurich, Switzerland, and the first martyr of Radical Reformation was born in 1498 as the illegitimate son of a Zurich canon. Though records of his education are scant, there is evidence that he received good education, with a thorough knowledge of Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. …

Differences of opinion arose when Felix Manz and Conrad Grebel in the group demanded the abolition of Mass, tithes, and interest. Zwingli hesitated the changes (although he agreed with them on the Biblical basis for the demand). …

..the true Reformation in Zurich was indefinitely postponed. When Easter 1525 came (two years after the city of Zurich became Protestant), the churches were still having mass–but without sacrifice. They were still having infant baptism, and the cup was still not being given to the congregation. In essence, they were practicing all the Roman Catholic trappings of religion with only a few modifications. …

At this time the other magisterial reformers, Luther and Calvin, shared the similar view on the matter regarding infant baptism with that of Zwingli. Later, the followers of Grebel and Manz, radical reformers and Anabaptist (Literally Anabaptist means “re-baptizers”), refer to the magisterium as “partial reformers”. To the radical reformers, the magisterium have inherent commitment to the state church, not fully to the Word of God.

A public disputation on the matter of infant baptism was eventually held with Zwingli on January 17, 1525. The city council declared Zwingli the victor. …

On March 7, 1526, the Zürich council had passed an edict that made adult baptism punishable by drowning. On January 5, 1527, Felix Manz became the first martyr of the edict, and the first Swiss Anabaptist to be martyred at the hands of reformers. While Manz only wanted “to bring together those who were willing to accept Christ, obey the Word, and follow in His footsteps, to unite with these by baptism, and to leave the rest in their present conviction”, Zwingli and the council accused him of obstinately refusing “to recede from his error and caprice”. Manz was taken out of the Wellenberg prison and led to the fish market there by the Limmat. There his death sentence was read. He was taken to the butcher shop, and at 3 PM forced into a boat. He praised God and preached to the crowd.  A Reformed pastor went along, seeking to silence him, and hoping to give him an opportunity to recant. Manz’ brother and mother encouraged him to stand firm and suffer for Jesus’ sake. He was taken by the boat onto the River Limmat. At that time there was a small fishing hut located in the middle in the river.  Felix Manz was placed on the platform of the hut, where his hands were shackled and pulled behind his knees and a pole was placed between them. He was thrown to his death in an icy baptism [called the third baptism? – editor] in the cold waters of Lake Zurich on the Limmat. His last cry was, “Into thy hands, O God, I commend my spirit.” His property went to the government of Zurich…

Entire Article Here

Related:

A story of faithfulness: Felix Mantz

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: By their Fruits You Will Know Them — Martin Luther was a false teacher, a racist, a persecutor and a murderer! John Calvin was a false teacher, a deranged tyrant, a persecutor and a murderer!

John Calvin Didn’t Follow Christ: “If you can burn people at the stake, and drown people in the river, and drive them out of town into a Swiss winter, and say you got that from the Bible, you’re not an exegete. And that’s the kind of man John Calvin was” – Mike Floyd

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake — His Ashes Cry Out!

My Ph.D.-genius-friend, John Calvin expert: “In all my reading of Calvin, I don’t recall him ever apologizing for a mistake or admitting an error.” | According to Paul, can John Calvin be in heaven?

Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

Luther: Let us BANISH the epistle of James, for it is ‘WORTHLESS’ — written by a non-Christian and can’t be reconciled with Paul

What the Lord’s Prayer really says about FORGIVING. Jesus made it clear right after “Amen”: “IF YOU DON’T forgive…” vs. Luther’s Catechism: “God forgives WITHOUT CONDITION,” even “REVENGE!!!”

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

Hating, unforgiving, James-3 cursing, Biblically disqualified MARTIN LUTHER: “When I die, I want to be a ghost…So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until that they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had before with a thousand living ones.”

Martin Luther’s Subordinate Bible Books: Hebrews, James, Jude & Revelation

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? (Where Paul is reconciled with James — and with Hebrews and 1 John — and with Jesus. It all works!)

Greg Boyd: In the kingdom of God, we are not allowed to have any enemies

Facebook Tithing Discussion — “Give sheep a rest from all those things they do. Don’t put burdens on them. Tithing is not Biblical. Tithing is from another era, before I gave My Son, before I died so you could be free. A new way, a better way has come” – Jesus

Some of us got into a big discussion on tithing. Many pastors now realize what they’ve been teaching really was old covenant law, for a different era, and for the Levites — and they need to be honest with the people so they can have clean consciences and God can move — so ‘ONE’ can happen “that the world will know” (John 17).

Many are digging their heels in, because this is a “love of money is the *root* of all evil,” near-and-dear issue. Paul said “those who are led by the Spirit are the children of God” (Rom. 8:14), but few pastors today are Spirit-led and teaching the people to be led by the Spirit.

Tithing is a ONE can happen issue. Pastors need to come clean, so they will have integrity and God will move again — instead of acting like everything is okay when it is clearly not.

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Related:

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — “Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal”

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”

[video] The “Tithing” Scam Exposed – Kenneth Copeland guilt tripping, instead of teaching people to be led by the Holy Spirit

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ3gP00_hdM]The “Tithing” Scam Exposed

Uploaded by  on Dec 24, 2010

The “Tithing” Scam Exposed

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(video) Michael Grenholm: God vs Wealth pt 9 – The Prosperity Gospel — “The PROSPERITY GOSPEL SAYS that Godliness is a means to financial gain, and the BIBLE SAYS that if you think that Godliness is a means to financial gain you have a corrupt mind” • “It glorifies luxury, but it despises simplicity”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

[video] Pastor Antonio Thomas: The Truth about Tithing — Pastors are afraid they won’t get paid, so they threaten people with an old covenant curse instead of teaching heartfelt, Spirit-led giving

Many pastors don’t want to give up on teaching tithing; even though, they know it’s wrong. Antonio points out that they’re afraid they won’t get paid. That’s because people rightfully don’t want to fund spiritually dead ‘churches’ in which the pastors aren’t Spirit-led themselves to even be able to teach the people how to be led by the Holy Spirit.

If pastors need to teach tithing to keep the doors open they shouldn’t be pastors. And could these pastors then pray against (James-3 curse) those who refuse to go along with tithing — thinking they even have an Old Testament scripture that gives them license to even curse those who they are supposed to lead into holiness?

I think so. See: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable” I can still remember the pastor slamming the pulpit, yelling: “don’t you dare rob God!!” Another in the same ‘church’ led us in a prayer in which he actually cursed the abortionists. I spoke to him afterward, saying we can’t do this because of James 3. He said he can do this because of what it says in the Old Testament. And we have never spoken again.

One of the pastors in this ‘church’ told me that they all know tithing isn’t biblical, but they aren’t telling the people….

But once the truth about tithing is taught, and how we need to be right with each other in Christ to even be real, going-to-heaven Christians, then God would show up in such great glory — ‘ONE’ happening (John 17) — that there never would be money problems again!!!

It’s just such a no brainer. Com’ on, you all. The Bible really is clear on both of these doctrines: “who goes to heaven” and “tithing or being Spirit-led.” I prove them on this site.

If we’ve been wrong, let’s just admit it, and get right with all people in God, and live in His glory for the rest of our lives on earth.

People in the churches keep crying for revival, but the only way ‘ONE’ will happen is if we actually do the greatest two commandments. And getting this love-of-money issue right is a key part.

Imagine, if you were God, and the pastors are keeping people under a curse instead of teaching them to be led by You. It grieves God’s heart. His people are so far from Him because the pastors refuse to teach the truth; even though, they’ll get a stricter judgment — which they teach that they can’t because of the once saved, always saved heresy.

Jeff

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“We have to now attach curses to people to motivate them to give. … Whenever you attach giving to those things [threat of being cursed, etc.], and that means that your giving is under compulsion. and it is no longer a heartfelt, spirit-led action.”

“Most of our pastors don’t trust God enough for that. … At the end of the month there would be a whole lot of nervous pastors wondering if they’re going to get paid. … My philosophy is that if this is of God, then your lack of giving cannot destroy it. If this is of God?”

– Antonio Thomas

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67wiZovdpl0]The Truth about Tithing by Pastor Antonio Thomas of Freedom Christian Church in Tucker, GA

Uploaded by  on Mar 31, 2009

Sr. Pastor Antonio Thomas exposes the fallacy of requiring members of local churches to pay tithes and reveals the truth about tithing’s exclusive connection to the Old Covenant in scripture. This interview will surely liberate many people who have felt uncomfortable with the concept of tithing in their local church.

Related:

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Pastor Cornelius Simon: No More Tithing (Atlanta Live Interview)

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

‘Pastor’: You can pray AGAINST people. “It’s well worth it!” – Vs – God: “Bless and don’t curse,” “This wisdom is…DEMONIC,” “Overcome evil with good” “that you may be children of your Father”

“Breaking Christian Curses: Finding Freedom from Destructive Prayers” by Dennis Cramer

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way (Can James-3 cursers go to heaven?)

Can a Christian Have a Demon? Absolutely! Most Have Many!

WordPOWER: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within

WordPOWER: The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

All of my ‘Christians’ Cursing People posts at ONEcanhappen

All of my People Cursing People posts at ToBeFree

[video] Pastor Cornelius Simon: No More Tithing (Atlanta Live Interview)

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfeDi5E16P0]No More Tithing (Atlanta Live Interview)

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Should believers tithe under the new covenant as it was mandated under the old covenant, the law? What were the rules of tithing under the old coveant? Were everyone to tithe off of everything? In this Atlanta Live interview, Pastor Simon shares the truth about tithing and its relevancy under the New Covenant.This intervie will have you asking questions and wanting more knowledge on the subject of tithing.

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Related:

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

The Biblical basis for Holy-Spirit-led giving is in my article: The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

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I had this dream a little more than 20 years ago [~1989].

There was an open area between 3rd and 4th Avenues in downtown Anchorage, Alaska (where the Sunshine Plaza is) where a former elder of Abbott Loop Christian Center (ALCC and now called Abbott Loop Community Church) was speaking to a large crowd of people with over a PA system about tithing.

He was giving the reasons why, one by one — one of which is the claim that tithing was in effect before the law.

I was at the edge of the crowd, partly leaping while waiving my arms, trying to get their attention, saying loudly, “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!” Every time the speaker would give a point, this was my response.

Then I realized that the only way people would listen to me is if I wrote a book on tithing.

And the dream ended.

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In 1999, I was given a prophecy about writing books, explained here:Intro: “Let Us Be ONE”

The head of the event had watched the prophet give me the prophecy (which was also a dream that he had), and asked me if I had ever felt led to write books. I shared with him my downtown-Anchorage-tithing dream….

When I did receive the “Let Us Be ONE” prophecy, which I think was supposed to be a published book, this small part was on tithing. In the new covenant, we are to be led by the Holy Spirit, which fulfills and supersedes the old covenant:

Let Us Be ONE, Part 8 of 33

10/3/01

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?

Give sheep a rest from all those things they do. Don’t put burdens on them.

Tithing is not Biblical. Tithing is from another era, before I gave My Son, before I died so you could be free. A new way, a better way has come, and it will give you life.

Churches are dead, living for themselves. Unity has not occurred. Get up and pray. Do not faint, and I will give you life.

Give by the Spirit’s desires. He will tell you what to do and who to minister to. The Holy Spirit is your friend. We are ONE, and We are in you, giving you life as you obey.

Do not be afraid of My leading. The problem with many is sin. Sin separates, and sin destroys the yoke.

The carriage must have a driver. Most drive themselves, unaware of My presence, unaware that I want to lead.

Related:

Let Us Be ONE: Table of Contents

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — “Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal”

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”


[video] Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3BWAmlXis]“Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”–Creflo Dollar

Uploaded by on Jan 12, 2010

Prosperity teachers are getting bolder and bolder these days.

Related:

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

From:russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

Thursday, July 15, 2010

Reply to Jim Feeney, PHD

Review of Pastor Jim Feeney, Ph.D. by Russell E Kelly, Ph. D.

FEENEY: Acts 20:33 [The apostle Paul said] I have not coveted anyone’s silver or gold.

KELLY: You missed the point. In 3 years at Ephesus Paul had not asked for ONE PENNEY of support. Not only had he been totally self-supporting but he also supported those in his group. He very definitely was not asking for offerings –much less tithes!

FEENEY: It is never our intent at South Valley Church to covet your finances.

KELLY: In Acts 20:29-35 Paul commanded church elders to work and care for the needy in their churches. He quoted Jesus to back up his point

FEENEY: But there is an area of finances that we do covet — that is, that the Lord receive his tithe.

KELLY: There is not a single text after Calvary for the Church to tithe. In the OT the Levites and priests received the first tithe.

FEENEY: Leviticus 27:30, 32 A tithe of everything from the land…BELONGS TO THE LORD… The tenth (ten percent) of our gross increase belongs to the Lord.

KELLY: The text defines HOLY tithes as only food from inside God’s HOLY land which God had miraculously increased. Tithes could not come from what man produced, from Gentiles or from outside Israel.

FEENEY: Wealthy Abraham, the first great patriarch of Israel, gave tithes centuries before Moses’ Law (Genesis 14).

KELLY: Why did Abraham tithe pagan spoils of war? The Bible does not say that God commanded it or that he gave it freely. In the context of 14:21 he was obeying the law of the land which REQUIRED tithes of spoils of war to one’s local king-priest.

FEENEY: Poor Jacob, the father of the twelve tribes of Israel, gave the tithe, also before the Law — Genesis 28:22 “And of all that you give me I will give you a TENTH.”

KELLY: Quote the entire text. This was Jacob the supplanter telling God what to do as part of a freewill vow. His tithe was not a holy tithe of the law.

FEENEY: In the Law that God gave through Moses to God’s people, there were clear commandments to give tithes —

KELLY: Only to Old Covenant national Israel. And Israel was commanded NOT to share its covenant with the Gentiles.

FEENEY: Leviticus 27:30, 32 A tithe of everything from the land…belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the Lord. … The entire tithe of the herd and flock — every tenth animal … — will be holy to the Lord.

KELLY: Only FOOD increased from inside God’s HOLY land of Israel. Tithes could not come from defiled pagan land.

FEENEY: Ten lambs born? They gave the Lord one. Ten bushels of wheat harvested? They gave the Lord one. They tithed — that is, they gave ten percent — on the “gross” increase.

KELLY: “They” were farmers and herdsmen who lived inside Israel. “They” were not Gentiles or craftsmen.

FEENEY: My tithe “belongs [not to me, but] to the Lord.”

KELLY: Unless your are an Old Covenant Hebrew living inside Israel and producing food, then YOU cannot tithe. You may give 10% of your income, but that is not a true biblical tithe.

FEENEY: 1,500 years after Moses received the Law, Jesus REAFFIRMED in His day the validity of tithing:

Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! YOU GIVE A TENTH of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, WITHOUT NEGLECTING THE FORMER.

KELLY: Jesus was living under the jurisdiction of the Law and was discussing MATTERS OF THE LAW. The tithe went to the Levites and not to Jesus. Jesus could not tell his Jewish or Gentile disciples to tithe to him because it would have been sin to do so. Mt 23:23 is still Old Covenant before Calvary (Gal 4-5).

FEENEY: Later in the New Testament, in 1 Corinthians, ch. 9, the apostle Paul teaches on the financial support of the work of God and uses commands from Moses’ Law as guidelines — 1 Corinthians 9:8

KELLY: This would have been the perfect time to clearly teach on tithing and Paul did not.

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FEENEY: “Doesn’t the Law say the SAME thing?” (referring to how the priests lived on the tithes and offerings). Paul brought the principle of the Levitical tithe — “the SAME thing” — over to the support of New Testament ministry.

KELLY: The argument is self defeating because it would force the church to copy “IN THE SAME WAY” ALL of the types of support of the Levitical system and not merely tithing. The “principle” from 9:7 to 9:14 is that each vocation has its own principles of support. The Christian principle is “grace and faith” – not law.

FEENEY: Should Christians tithe? The words of both Jesus and Paul seem clearly to bring tithing into New Testament times.

KELLY: No. Christians cannot tithe even if they wanted to do so. And the tithing STATUTE of Numbers 18 required Levitical tithe-recipients to forfeit property ownership. That is ignored too.

FEENEY: In the history of the New Testament Church since the first century, biblical tithing has been commonly, although not universally, taught and practiced.

KELLY: There is no record of any kind of tithing taught in the early church for at least 200 years after Calvary and even Cyprian’s attempt failed. Tithing did not become legally enforced in the Church for over 700 years. Even then it was only food off church-owned property.

FEENEY: In fact, tithing was a common religious practice in many nations in the ancient world.

KELLY: This proves that pagans tithed spoils of war before Abraham was born. They also worshipped idols and sacrificed children. Being old and common does not make something eternal and moral.

FEENEY: 2 Chronicles 31:12 Then they FAITHFULLY brought in the contributions, tithes and dedicated gifts.

KELLY: Because the king had erroneously told them to bring it to Jerusalem it rotted in the streets. Read 31:15-19 where it was re-shipped back to the Levitical cities.

FEENEY: Tithing is an indicator of our FAITHFULNESS. It’s a weekly, semimonthly, or monthly opportunity to demonstrate to God your faithfulness and commitment to His work on earth.

KELLY: Texts? NT giving is: freewill, generous, sacrificial, joyful, not by commandment and motivated by love for God and lost souls (2 Cor 8 and 9).

FEENEY: Giving our “tenth” is an indicator of our GENEROSITY. And God takes notice of the attitude of generosity: “God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

KELLY: Tithes were cold hard law and must be given by food producers inside Israel whether they desired to or not.

FEENEY: Numbers 18:21 I give to the LEVITES all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance IN RETURN FOR THE WORK THEY DO while serving at the Tent of Meeting.

KELLY: The Church does not obey a single tithing command found in Numbers 18. Levites, who received the first whole tithe, were NOT the ministering priests; they were the servants to the priests.

FEENEY: Biblical tithing allows God-called ministers to devote themselves fully to the Lord’s work.

KELLY: The Bible neither endorses nor discusses whether gospel workers should be full time.

FEENEY: Levites/priests in the Old Testament, fivefold ministers (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers) in the New Testament.

KELLY: No. Modern Jews do not tithe because there is no temple or priesthood. Levites vaguely correspond to unpaid ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc. All NT believers are priests. Gospel workers more closely follow the example of OT prophets who were either self-supporting or lived off freewill offerings.

FEENEY: Malachi 3:8-10 “Will a man ROB GOD? Yet you rob me.” But you ask, ‘How do we rob you?’ “In TITHES AND OFFERINGS. (9)You are under a curse — the whole nation of you — because you are robbing me.

KELLY: Malachi is addressed to Old Covenant Israel under the Law. According to Malachi 1:6; 2:1; 2:17 and Neh 13:5-10, “every priest in the nation” was stealing from God by keeping the best for themselves. Also, no born again adopted child of God can be cursed (Gal 3:10-13).

FEENEY: (10) Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house.

KELLY: Only Levites and priests were required to do this per Neh 10:38-39.The people were commanded to bring their tithe to the Levitical cities per Neh 10:37b.

FEENEY: Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

KELLY: The whole law was a test –not merely tithing. Obey all to be blessed; break one to be cursed. Gal 3:10-13.

FEENEY: 6. Why do I believe in tithing (and giving offerings also)? I wouldn’t want to take a chance on God considering me a ROBBER!

KELLY: Robbers accept something which only belonged to OT Levites and priests. You rob God if you do not obey all the tithing law of Numbers 18 and own property.

FEENEY: 7. Why do I believe in tithing? Because God says He wants His “house” to be ABUNDANTLY supplied.

KELLY: The early church did not even have its own buildings legally until after AD325.

FEENEY: Why tithe? Because God says if I am faithful in tithes and offerings, He will open the windows of heaven and pour me out abundant blessings.

KELLY: God cannot and will not bless New Covenant believers because of their obedience to annulled Old Covenant conditional promises (Heb 7:5, 12, 18). Only “successful tithers” are paraded before the church pulpit while most that are not blessed sit quietly and wonder why they are cursed even after tithing.

FEENEY: Proverbs 3:9-10, KJV Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: [10] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

KELLY: Firstfruits and tithes are never the same thing in the Bible. Firstfruits are very small token offerings per Deu 26:1-4; Neh 10:35-37a, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

From:russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

REASONS TO OPPOSE NT TITHING

REASONS AGAINST NT TITHING
From Essay By Russell E Kelly, PHD
www.tithng-russkelly.com
Supporting texts with essay

1. NOT NEW COVENANT: New Covenant giving principles are far superior and more inclusive.
2. NOT DEFINED BIBLICALLY: The definition of holy tithes is only food from inside Israel which God had miraculously increased. Tithes could not come from what man increased, from Gentiles or from outside Israel.
3. NOT MONEY: Although money was required for sanctuary worship, money was never a tithe-able item.
4. NOT FROM OUTSIDE ISRAEL: Abram’s tithe was in obedience to the law of the land, was only pagan spoils of war and he gave the 90% to the king of Sodom.
5. NOT UNIVERSAL MINIMUM: In the Old Covenant only food producers inside Israel were required to begin at 10%.
6. NOT FOR PRIESTS: The OT Levitical tithe went to the servants of the priests who equate to ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc.
7. NOT FOR PROPERTY OWNERS: Under the Law, those who received the first Levitical tithe were not allowed to own property and were required to kill anybody attempting to enter the sanctuary.
8. NOT HOLY: The tithe was only holy if it came from inside Israel. It was only holy as part of the Old Covenant to support its priesthood.
9. NOT FIRSTFRUITS: The tithe and firstfruits were never the same thing. Tithes were tenth-fruits. Firstfruits were very small token offerings.
10. NOT 10%: There were 3 tithes totaling 23% plus a 10% tithe to the king.
11. NOT FROM THE POOR: The poor did not tithe. They received much of a 2nd festival tithe and all of a 3rd third year poor tithe.
12. NOT FOR WORSHIP ONLY: Levites also worked as political employees of the king in secular affairs.
13. NOT TO THE TEMPLE: The people brought tithes to the Levitical cities. The Temple was too far away to feed 98% of the Levites and priests.
14. NOT FROM MALACHI: Malachi was only for Old Covenant Israel whose priests were guilty of stealing the best tithes they had vowed to God.
15. NOT TAUGHT BY JESUS TO THE CHURCH: Matthew 23:23 is a condemnation of enforcers of the Law as “matters of the law.” It was illegal to teach tithes to Jesus from Jews or Gentiles.
16. NOT FOR NT PRIESTS: The OT priesthood and Temple have been replaced by the priesthood of every believer.
17. NOT NT STOREHOUSE: The OT Temple has not been replaced by the so-called storehouse of the church building. Buildings were not legal for almost 300 years after Calvary.
18. NOT A MORAL LAW: OT tithes were part of the worship ordinances which ended at Calvary for Hebrews. The Church never was under the Old Covenant Law.
19. NOT FOR GOSPEL WORKER SUPPORT: The New Covenant neither commands nor condemns full time gospel workers.
20. NOT SUPPORTED BY CHURCH HISTORY: No early church father suggested tithing for over 200 years. It did not become enforceable for over 700 years. Most U. S. churches did not teach tithing until around 1895.
21. NOT MORAL HERMENEUTIC: Tithing was not repeated to the church in terms of the New Covenant after Calvary.

Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Russell Kelly: TITHERS' MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

From: russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

“EVEN IF” MATTHEW 5:17 MEANS THAT NONE OF THE OLD COVENANT LAW HAS ENDED —-
such still does not validate tithing of money to gospel workers because —1. The Law defines tithes as only food from inside God’s holy land of Israel which He had miraculously increased (Lev 27:30-34).
2. The Law does not accept tithes from what man increased or from outside Israel (Lev 27:30-34).
3. The Law commands that the first whole Levitical tithe be given to the Levites servants of the priests (Num 18:21-24).
4. The Law commands the Levites to give one tenth of the tithe they receive to the priests (Num 18:25-28).
5. The Law requires OT priests to kill anybody attempting to enter the sanctuary (Num 18:7, 22).
6. The Law requires those who receive Levitical tithes to forfeit property ownership and inheritance (Num 18:20, 23).
7. The Law requires a second tithe (20% total) to be eaten in the streets of Jerusalem during the 3 annual feasts (Deu 14:22-26).
8. The Law requires a third tithe every third year to be kept in the homes for the poor (total 23%) (Deu 14:28-29).
9. The Law would not permit Gentiles to tithe either to Jesus or to the Temple system (Deu 7:2).
10. The Law’s application did not allow money with images to enter the Temple –thus the money-changers (Mt 22:20-21). 
THEREFORE appealing to the Law to justify tithing among New Covenant Gentile Christians still does not justify a changed definition and application of tithing.
Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

From: tithing-russkelly.com

Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

1. WHO #1: The Levitical servants to the priests who received the first whole tithe have been abolished. See Numbers 18:21-24. Modern equivalents to the Levites are unpaid ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc.

2. WHO #2: OT priests who received a tenth of the tithe (only 1 per cent) have been abolished. See Num 18:25-28 and Neh 10:38.

3. WHAT: The definition of tithes as only food miraculously increased by God from inside His holy land of Israel has been abolished and replaced with the false unbiblical definition of income. See Leviticus 27:30-34 and 14 other texts which describe the contents of the tithe. Yet money was common in Genesis.

Entire Article Here
Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

David Wilkerson: The Idolatry of Being 'Successful' — The Love of Money Really is the Root of *All* Evil

[Updated] I just thought of something. This is huge!

I’ve often wondered how the love of money can be the root of all evil. Consider this.
David Wilkerson here says:

Idolatry has to do with a much deeper heart issue. The number-one idol among God’s people isn’t adultery, pornography or alcohol. It’s a much more powerful lust. What is this idol? It’s a driving ambition for success. [or in other words: “the love of money”]

So what logically follows is that when people get rid of, excise the root of all evil, the love of money, then the other sins can’t be a bondage, because the ROOT of all evil is gone.
Remember:
“The love of money is the root of all evil.”
The love of money is an actual demonic stronghold that can only influence us if we give it a place.
And the consequences are losing our inheritance:

“It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.”

– Jesus (Mark 10:25)

And the kingdom of God means heaven, you all — just as it means eternal life in Galatians 5. See Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

This doesn’t mean that all of us need to sell everything and give it to the poor; though, God is probably telling some to do exactly that. We need to do whatever is necessary so the love of money doesn’t have us — so we can walk free in LOVE.

“Those who are led by the Spirit are the children of God.” Paul in Romans 8:

12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

So what is the Holy Spirit telling us — to be right-with-God-and-people, going-to-heaven children of God?
And pastors, why are you still teaching old covenant tithing, putting this weight of bondage on the people, keeping them from being led by the Holy Spirit in this important issue: what to do with their money?

Let’s be free from all of the weights that encumber — every willful sin that leads to death — by making sure we are free of the root of all evil — the love of money!

Let us be ONE in Him!

“Then the world will know” — Jesus heart-cry for us in John 17.

Jeff : )

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From: World Challenge

IT BEGAN WITH REPENTANCE

by David Wilkerson | December 20, 2010

The church as we know it today began with repentance. When Peter preached the cross at Pentecost, thousands came to Christ. This new church was made up of one body, consisting of all races, filled with love for one another. Its corporate life was marked by evangelism, a spirit of sacrifice, even martyrdom.

The wonderful beginning reflects God’s word to Jeremiah: “I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed” (Jeremiah 2:21). Yet the Lord’s next words describe what often happens to such works: “How then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?” (2:21). God was saying, “I planted you right. You were mine, bearing my name and nature. But now you’ve turned degenerate.”

What caused this degeneration in the church? It always has been, and will continue to be, idolatry. God is speaking of idolatry when he says to Jeremiah, “My people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit” (2:11).

Most Christian teaching today identifies an idol as anything that comes between God’s people and himself. Yet that’s only a partial description of idolatry.

Idolatry has to do with a much deeper heart issue. The number-one idol among God’s people isn’t adultery, pornography or alcohol. It’s a much more powerful lust. What is this idol? It’s a driving ambition for success. And it even has a doctrine to justify it.

The idolatry of being successful describes many in God’s house today. These people are upright, morally clean, full of good works. But they’ve set up an idol of ambition in their hearts, and they can’t be shaken from it.

God loves to bless his people. He wants his people to succeed in all they undertake honestly. But there is now a raging spirit in the land that is overtaking multitudes—this is the spirit of love for recognition and acquiring of things.

A man of the world said recently, “He who dies with the most toys—wins.” Tragically, Christians, too, are caught up in this pursuit.

How far we have strayed from the gospel of living through dying to self, ego, and worldly ambition.

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? "You might be surprised to know…"

“You might be surprised to know that the tithe,
as it’s taught in churches today,
is not something that anyone has taken from the New Testament
or from the early church.

It actually came into being after Constantine legalized Christianity.”

– David Bercot
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from this disc

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The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
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See at my personal blog:

One of my pastor friends died on Saturday —
and I’m not sure where he now is

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The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
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David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
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"The Perfect Storm" by John Paul Jackson. What to expect in the next 10 years. To overcome, we must be right with each other: "You must have clean hands and not harmed others. And if you have, you must repent so that you can be clean" | My experience at Trinity

I know of John Paul Jackson from the Vineyard movement in the late ’80s and early ’90s. I experienced some of it firsthand during the first time I attended Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, an evangelical seminary in Chicago, and where I attended the Evanston Vineyard as well as a truly amazing Vineyard conference. Wow!
Unfortunately, this seemed to greatly anger some key theology and church history professors at the seminary, for many of us students could hardly talk about anything else and it flew in the face of what they were teaching (many of them believed and/or taught that the gifts of the Spirit had seceded, and they never seemed to talk about being Spirit-led, apparently reading Romans 8 (and many Bible and church history texts) through Baptist, etc. glasses).
Wayne Grudem was a noteworthy exception, who was actually part of the Vineyard movement. Thank you, Wayne!!! I remember him praying for me at the conference. And I think he paid a big price for standing up for what is right.
Seminary was one of the meanest places I’ve ever attended. Hate and anger was off the charts; though, the old guard tried to hide it. There is a reason why John and Chris Wimber died soon afterward. See my James-3-cursing posts under the ‘Christians’ Cursing People category. It was hard enough for me, and I was just a student. It was fierce!
This is one of the main reasons I haven’t yet responded to the Joe Schimmel post comments, as I had planned to. Most of the professors were Calvinists, and they mostly believed that God basically chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. And they were of course among the chosen-for-heaven group. And the result of that doctrine, in my opinion made walking the campus sidewalks one of the most uncomfortable experiences in my life, especially when I attended the second time, after the Vineyard fire went out, and many of the professors and students knew where I stood.
The main leader of the movement, John Wimber, was also a professing Calvinist, and yet he desired to be Spirit-led, as was Wayne Grudem. So the belief in Calvinism doesn’t necessarily cause one to disbelieve in the Holy Spirit’s tangible, active functioning in our lives.
But it may be Calvinism that was in part the reason why the Vineyard movement basically ceased. Holiness died as a major theme, and what I call partysville set in. And this seemed to happen concurrent with John Wimber teaching tithing at Anaheim as the $giving$ standard. The old covenant law replaced being led by the Holy Spirit for giving. They had just built a new facility and needed to pay the huge loan.
I visited the new facility in Anaheim Vineyard (the mother ship) shortly after John Wimber taught what apparently was his first tithing-is-the-standard message. I saw it listed a few months back in the cassette tape message list. It was as if the Holy Spirit had left, compared to the presence of God that could be tangibly felt during my previous visit in the warehouse facility. And the Evanston Vineyard appeared to die also during this same period. Sad 🙁
And the music died too. They kept selling worship CDs for years thereafter, but the life was gone. And then Chris Wimber (head of music production) and his father, John suddenly died. That was a sad day for me.
John Wimber actually taught DWJD (Do What Jesus Did), and to a certain extent, many succeeded. Many also learned how to hear God’s voice; though, speaking in tongues was downplayed, which I believe is one of the greatest tools to battle the devil, including the James-3 curses ‘prayed’ our way by the modern-day Pharisees (basically). [See: A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls). It’s time to listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying. He wants us to hear His voice, follow and be free]
I believe John and Chris were James-3 cursed to death. I saw and felt the hate and anger firsthand. I had to pray a lot just to make it myself, and I was just a student [During the second time I attended seminary, after the Vineyard movement had died and the campus was back to ‘normal,’ I had a dream in which I was told I wouldn’t make it if I didn’t pray 1 hour a day. So I took long prayer walks along the Des Plaines River]. Had there been more people praying in tongues, perhaps John and Chris would still be with us today to experience the move of God that John Paul Jackson and many others believe is soon to come.
[By the way, I should add that I also spent some time at Fuller Theological Seminary trying to more fully understand how John Wimber’s signs and wonders class affected the campus. There was a much lighter, less oppressive and more joyous feel there.]
“Without holiness, no one will see God,” but with holiness we will! John Paul Jackson here talks about how we must be right with everyone in order to participate in this coming revival, saying: “you must have clean hands and not [have] harmed others. And if you have, you must repent so that you can be clean.”
This coming move will be awesome, and a combination of increased suffering and sound doctrine (finally) will I believe allow this coming move one that will never stop. Calvinism and tithing were factors that I believe caused the Vineyard revival cistern to no longer hold water. Sound doctrine, on the other hand, will create the groundwork in which God will move among us forevermore — which is why I spend so much effort trying to bring doctrinal balance into what is currently taught in Evangelicaldom today. Doctrine is key, and Jesus’ Greatest Two Commandments should be our main focus, with the Greatest Commandment greatest, but He also requires us to be right with all people, including the Iraqis, we slaughtered, by the way.
Most ‘Christian’ leaders still aren’t talking about this, but there should be repentance for supporting President Bush’s reverse-Christian policies. I believe this is one of the things that is keeping the move of God from happening. John Paul Jackson says that we must have clean hands in this coming move. Well then let’s do it, locally and internationally. God wants to move now, and we need Him now. This is serious. We’re allowing calamity to be needed in order for us to be willing to follow Christ.
Oh well, the main reason I started writing was to share this. I really appreciate John Paul Jackson’s point that what is coming is not the wrath of God, mainly. Rather, it is God withholding His hand of protection because His people are far away, and consequently, no longer salt and light. For example, I was told by God in my Let Us Be ONE prophecy that 9/11, specifically was a result of unforgiveness:

There is fear in My people—a fear that is great. You need not dismay, for I am with you. I am in everything you do, non-stop. I never cease.

Feel My hurt, imagine the pain, when you go your own way. I am in you, waiting. Let’s be one. Let’s do it.

There is another thing: a disaster has struck. People have been hurt, suicide bombings attacking towers. Why?

Do you not know that I lift My hand of protection when My people are far away?

We are one; we need not be far away. There is a way that seems right to a man. Disaster will result unless we forgive.

See the fallen; see them rise up and be refreshed as you give them a kiss, a holy kiss from above, pulling them up, giving them aid when they are down.

Let Me be in control; let Me lead your life. Do not be full of error, wondering this or that, going to and fro, not sure of which direction, being unable to forgive. Forgiveness is the key to repentance.

I forgave. I hung there and gave My life so you can have freedom. I hurt so you can walk in humility and be refreshed. You must take it and run, the precious gift of forgiveness, but not just for yourself, for others. Forgive and be free.

Jesus has wanted to protect us, to help us prosper in every way. But we left the way of loving everyone as much as we love ourselves, and now many non-Christians demonstrate more compassion than born-again ‘Christians.’
It’s not God’s fault; it’s ours. Those God sent to warn us weren’t listened to, and now we’re going to suffer, God told me, but it will also be a time of great joy and ease, spiritually:

“It doesn’t matter what the stock market will do, for holiness will abound and you will be ONE, living together, helping one another through the difficult times ahead.

It’s too late to reverse what’s been done, for My men have been rejected. There was a season.

Now is the time to overcome and get right with all those around, so you can be holy and set apart.

FORGIVENESS will reign from your hearts, and we will be together, embracing for eternity. You in Me and I in you. It should always be this way: resting, relaxed, righteousness ABOUNDINGyour hearts GLAD! …

Your heart will swell with love, and it will be easy to remain in Me when others are on the boat with you.”

Jesus said “now is the time to overcome and get right with all those around.” If we’re ready spiritually, all in Christ, together as ONE (His heart-cry for us in John 17), then we’ll be spiritually ready for what is to come.
It’s too late to reverse what’s coming. We may be able to slow down and even minimize some of the terrible upcoming events, but because of our willful distance from God and His prophetic people, we are now on an irreversible course that we must have clean hands and pure hearts in order to overcome in what is to come.
Some will ride our coattails, but it takes brave mountaineers to be willing to pioneer the move now while the ease of obeying is still not here. It takes being willing to do the right thing, like humbling ourselves to those we’ve hurt and admit we’re wrong. Why wait till we see each other in the grocery store. That may never happen. Our own eternity is at stake (see Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way. It’s so clear), and we can help prepare the way, because “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” The Remedy for James-3 Cursing & Partysville in Today’s Church is James 4.
“When we build it He will come.” What a glorious day that will be. And the revival will last and last this time….
Come on, Anchorage, are you ready?
Jeff Fenske : )
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This is Part 1 of the Perfect Storm Prophecy given by John Paul Jackson of Streams Ministries. To download the PDF Document associated with “The Perfect Storm Series” please visit:

http://streamsministries.com [specifically here – ed.]

Blog With John Paul Jackson at:
http://blog.streamsministries.com

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In Part 2 of “The Coming Perfect Storm” John Paul Jackson gives some prophetic insight to those who are intimately following the Lord as they grow closer to the Lord in hearing the voice of the Lord not only for themselves but for other people who need a solution to some of the problems that he has spoken about concerning the coming days ahead. The days ahead will not be easy but those who pray and seek the face of God will find much comfort and direction for their lives and the lives of others.

Related:
Sid Roth Interviews John Paul Jackson On the Coming Perfect Storm. “The Woes of 2012! The Woes of 2012!” And Beyond-Asbury, ‘ONE’-Happens, All-Get-Healed REVIVAL!!!!!!!
PROPHETIC BULLETIN August 2008: THE COMING PERFECT STORM
by John Paul Jackson

[vision] Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel!
‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTEDNow is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”
2012 forecast: Food riots, ghost malls, mob rule, terror. Trends chief [Gerald Celente] says people should brace for ‘the greatest depression.’ “This is the decline of empire America”
“Only the pure in heart can see God, and there is no unforgiveness in a pure heart” – John Paul Jackson
Regarding Tithing:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Andre Eggelletion: "What's so wrong with admitting when you're wrong?"

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from Andre Eggelletion’s 12/18/08 broadcast on US Talk Network
Andre was talking about President George W. Bush’s lack of repentance, and then said this about those of us who elect the Presidents.

What’s so wrong with admitting when you’re wrong?

How quick are you to apologize when you’ve done something wrong, and say, ‘you know something, I messed up. … I’m sorry, man. I was just wrong. Forgive me. …

Why don’t you stop lying and just say, you know something, I overreacted. I was wrong. …

Admit when you’re wrong, okay? There’s nothing wrong with it. It cleanses the soul. … It renews you; it restores you. Make the atonement. Go ahead; put yourself on that altar.

It’s easy to pay 10% of your money, and think you’re going to get into heaven…. No, admit when you’re wrong. Make ammends for it. Apologize. Say, ‘I’m sorry.’ …

I can be vain enough to walk over you and think that it’s okay. But it’s not okay. Just admit when you’re wrong. Be a virtuous person.”

– Andre Eggelletion

Related: Cheney: Bush Doesn’t Need to Apologize

Saul Hated David, Refusing to Let God's Choice Lead, and It's No Different Today

Wow! Is this interesting, and very important!!
I don’t necessarily agree with the author’s conclusion, but the parts I’ve bolded ring totally true with what I’ve seen.
It’s time to let those who are truly called by God to lead, and for the others to not be jealous any more—but rather thankful, and submissive—so Jesus can be Lord, Head of His church—finally!!
This isn’t a competition, a sporting event for guys to be seen by men; or a contest of who can speak the best…. This isn’t a game! This is about God having His way, not man having theirs.
He has placed His gifts in the body as He determines. It is sin to place others in charge who are not specifically called by God to lead. And God makes it clear who these are. But the Sauls play dumb, for they would have to relinquish their power to God, Himself, if they put the Davids in charge—and maybe even admit that they’ve been wrong, and “get right with those they’ve hurt.”
Where is the fear of the Lord? It is written: “The Lord will judge His people.” [Heb. 10:30]
Finally, can we do it right this time? Pretty please?
Jesus, have Your way. You are King! Live through us!

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From: Revival School (Andrew Strom)

ENRAGED Yet ANOINTED??
-D. Leesley.

And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied… And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?” (1 Sam 19).

The question has come up. Can a man of God operate in the flesh and yet have the blessing and anointing of God in their life? Can they display the workings of the Holy Spirit one time and operate like the devil himself at other times? Or worse yet, can the man of God or teacher or preacher speak with the Holy unction and at the very same time speak falsehood while under that unction?

King Saul was a man after the people’s own hearts. They had refused God’s desire and divine purpose which was to be their King and Lord personally. They wanted a man they could see and touch. One they could lavish their love and praise upon. God told Samuel to give them what they want. Give them their heart’s desire. But at the end of the day, they’d wish they had made a better decision. God even warned them about their folly in chapter 8.

Saul took his armies to battle and won victories right and left. God surely must be pleased with the ‘new program’, right? Wrong. It still wasn’t God’s perfect plan or purpose.

We have today, what I call, a ‘church gone wild’. Tithing, titles and tiers, and might I add, tears. Tears of those who are suffering under an abusive system of control, greed and arrogance. And yet God does tend to His out of sync flock in spite of 1700 years of ignoring the N.T. plan and mould for the ‘body elect’.

Even as Saul was NOT God’s desired progam, yet His helping hand remained upon Israel. In these few verses we read about a very evil, arrogant and envious man who God appointed over Israel only because of their rejection of God’s position in their midst.

The time did finally come when God said ‘enough is enough’. He was about to replace Saul with David, a man after His own heart. David was anointed and humble. Disinterested, only caring about what God wanted. This drove Saul nuts with rage and jealousy. We all know the story here.

But look at this. Saul sent his messengers to find David and take him captive and bring him to Saul so he could destroy him. This leader’s closest companions had no real problem with this. But when they came upon Samuel and the prophets prophesying, the Spirit of the Lord came upon them and they spoke under the unction as well. They returned unto Saul and told him that the Holy Ghost had come upon them and they had a mini revival. Saul sent other messengers two more times with the same results.

Yet we do not read where these compadres had any change of heart about their mission. Finally Saul made the journey and when he arrived the Holy Ghost came upon him as well and he prophesied all night long. What a gloroius time in the Lord. What power displayed. Yet this man never reversed his plan to kill humble David, to rid himself he thought, in so doing, of conviction.

David flees to Jonathan crying [my paraphrase] ‘ What have I done? What’s wrong with me that God’s appointed leader doesn’t like me or want me around? I have honored him. I have behaved myself in humility around him. I have surrendered all to my God…I have…” Uh Oh!! There it is. A sure plan of action for rejection by God’s anointed leader.

This has not changed, trust me. I have witnessed this first hand many times in the modern institution we call ‘church.’ The more humble you become, the more surrendered to God you strive to be, the more anointing you obtain, the more proof you make of your ministry, the more cold shoulders from the hierarchy of organized religion you will witness.

So the premise of this piece is, can the true anointing be in play while a heart full of wickedness is still maintained? According to what we just looked at in the story of Saul, the answer would be yes. Can the same scenario exist today under the new covenant? My opinion would be yes, definitely.

[Sad and tragic, yet manifestly true – Ed.]


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Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — "Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal"

“Tithing, today, is reaching the levels,
I believe, of a modern scandal.”

– Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.

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This is a slam-dunk, you all. Praise God!
And bless you, Russell Kelly!!!
May we be obedient and get it right — finally.
Phew!

I wrote the above right after I first saw Russell’s video. I was so excited because in this one presentation, Russell Kelly completely demolishes this “love of money” doctrine that is keeping so many from being led by the Holy Spirit.

Tithing is a big part of what is keeping the church from being alive truly in Christ!
And here, Russell shows us that the old covenant believers mostly didn’t even give 10% of their money to the Levitical priesthood.

What we’ve been taught about tithing is a falsehood. It’s a doctrine of demons that is “the love of money” driven.

Russell doesn’t talk about some of my conclusions [The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit], but he totally proves that tithing is a false doctrine that should never be mentioned again as even some kind of a benchmark.
We’re supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit now, determining in our hearts what to give, according to Paul.

Russell’s entire book, Should the Church Teach Tithing? A Theologian’s Conclusions about a Taboo Doctrine, can be downloaded for free as a pdf HERE.

May we be ONE in Christ — not led by the law; though, tithing wasn’t really even practiced the way tithing teachers teach it.

Jeff : )

Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

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A 2 hour video of the 19 point essay “Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine” The video is showing me, Russell Earl Kelly, Ph. D. with no material displayed. Every statement has something important and challenging. Novice editing makes it choppy in a few places. It is far from perfect but well worth the view.

Friends, I am not opposed to financially supporting churches and the advancement of God’s kingdom. However I am opposed to supporting churches using the false doctrine of NT tithing instead of better New Covenant freewill offering principles.

You can get this video on DVD from my website:
http://www.tithing-russkelly.com

There you can also find the book:
Tithing: Should the Church teach tithing? – A Theologian’s Conclusions about a Taboo Doctrine

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you,
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph. D.

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph. D.
Auther: Russell Earl Kelly, Ph. D.

From: About the Author

Although legally blind since 1989, Russell subsequently completed a Th. M.. and a Ph. D. at independent Baptist-oriented Covington Theological Seminary in Ft. Oglethorpe, Georgia in August 2000. His dissertation was on the subject of tithing. From that dissertation came his first book, Should the Church Teach Tithing? A Theologian’s Conclusions about a Taboo Doctrine.

Russell lists all 19 points here (scroll down for article)
From: Russell Kelly’s Articles on Tithing

1873: TITHING FIRST SUGGESTED IN THE U.S.A.

BOOK REVIEWS ON AMAZON.COM

BUY THIS BOOK AND 2-HOUR $10.00 DVD

CBS NEWS TRANSCRIPT ON TITHING

CHARLES (CHUCK) SWINDOLL

CONTEMPORARY JEWISH TITHING CONCEPT

CORBAN AND FIRSTFRUIT-TITHING

MALACHI 3:10 HAS BEEN MISINTERPRETED; RNS

OPPOSITION TO TITHING GROWS; RNS

POEMS BY H. K. POWELL

PREACHERS SPEAK OUT FOR GRACE-GIVING ONLY

RICH PREACHERS WHO TEACH TITHING

SEARCHING FOR A GRACE-GIVING CHURCH

SIX MOST QUOTED PRO-TITHING LIES

TEXT INDEX FOR 2007 EDITION

THEOLOGICAL DOUBLE-TALK

TITHING PRINCIPLES FOR TITHE-TEACHING CHURCHES

WALL STREET JOURNAL, THE BACKLASH AGAINST TITHING

WALL STREET JOURNAL; RUSSELL EARL KELLY

WEB SITES WHICH DISCUSS THIS BOOK

WIDOW’S MITE NOT TITHING EXAMPLE

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The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not

Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

Rebuttal of Rick Warren on Tithing by Russell Earl Kelly

Rebuttal of Jack Hayford on Tithing by Russell Earl Kelly

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]
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Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About

Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to

Jesus where they can have life!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was

PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE

MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

From: The Barna Group, New Study Shows Trends in Tithing and Donating, April 14, 2008

Tithing Since 2000

The percentage of adults who tithe has stayed constant since the turn of the decade, falling in the 5% to 7% range. The Barna tracking reported that the proportion of adults who tithed was 7% in 2006 and 2005; 5% in 2004 and 2003; 6% in 2002; and 5% in 2001.

Origins of Tithing

Strangely, tithing is a Jewish practice, not a Christian principle espoused in the New Testament. The idea of a tithe – which literally means one-tenth or the tenth part – originated as the tax that Israelites paid from the produce of the land to support the priestly tribe (the Levites), to fund Jewish religious festivals, and to help the poor. The ministry of Jesus Christ [actually, the arrival of the Holy Spirit – editor], however, brought an end to adherence to many of the ceremonial codes that were fundamental to the Jewish faith. Tithing was such a casualty. Since the first-century, Christians have believed in generous giving, but have not been under any obligation to contribute a specific percentage of their income.

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Amazingly, the disinfo continues in American churches. Notice the reasoning used in the following article, while considering the state of churches today—where the money comes in no matter what—where people aren’t being taught to be led by the Holy Spirit and common sense in the crucial issue of $money$—the love of money being the root….
Many pastors aren’t currently qualified to lead—so shouldn’t be getting any money. The money shouldn’t automatically come in. The law of tithing was set up so those who were born into the Levitical priesthood would have provision to be able to perform their old covenant duties.
Now we have “a better way”—Hebrews 7.

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From: Pioneer Press, June 23, 2008

The pastor should tithe, the church should tithe, and everybody that attends should tithe,” Matthews [pastor of the 1,200-member New Life Interfaith Ministries in Bessemer, Ala] said. “It’s fair for everybody, high income or low income. It’s still the first dime out of every dollar. It’s a management system. Do I trust God? If I can’t be trusted with that, how can I be trusted with more?

Many [pre-new covenant/pre-Pentecost – editor] passages in the Bible cite the command to set aside the first 10 percent of the harvest for God.

“It’s something God insti-tuted even before the Bible, with the tree in the Garden of Eden,” Matthews said. “You have every tree, but of one tree, don’t touch.” [This is even farther out there than the more commonly taught, if-pre-law-then-must-also-be-post-law fallacy, which states that because tithing happened before the law (once with Abraham & Melchizedek) it must apply after the law – editor.]

Pateo recalled how tight finances were when her children were in day care and her salary barely covered the costs. But she believes it’s a religious duty to tithe to her church, St. Elizabeth Ann Seton.

“It’s not easy,” she said. “But other blessings come to you if you are faithful.”

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Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine — “Tithing, today, is reaching the levels of a modern scandal”
Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?

Let Us Be ONE, Part 8 of 33

Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
Give sheep a rest from all those things they do. Don’t put burdens on them.
Tithing is not Biblical. Tithing is from another era, before I gave My Son, before I died so you could be free. A new way, a better way has come, and it will give you life.
Churches are dead, living for themselves. Unity has not occurred. Get up and pray. Do not faint, and I will give you life.
Give by the Spirit’s desires. He will tell you what to do and who to minister to. The Holy Spirit is your friend. We are ONE, and We are in you, giving you life as you obey.
Do not be afraid of My leading. The problem with many is sin. Sin separates, and sin destroys the yoke.
The carriage must have a driver. Most drive themselves, unaware of My presence, unaware that I want to lead.
© 2008 Jeff Fenske

Let Us Be ONE: Table of Contents
Related:
[My Dream] Tithing? “No, it’s a Holy Spirit thing!!”
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

Failed Churches—Hate that Destroys the Yoke of Unity

Let Us Be ONE, Part 23 of 33

Failed Churches…Hate that Destroys the Yoke of Unity
There is much to learn. Many have gone awry. Many despair, thinking they know the answers, but they don’t work. You’ve seen it, churches that failed, and then there are others that mock but look pretty as you stand inside. But you can feel the muck.
Look around; see the light that wants to illuminate all who remain steadfast, not moving where they say, but doing what is right—a love of a different kind. Not regulations that kill and destroy the life I have for everybody, but a new way.
Hope for iniquity to be found out, so we can become clean as a body. Pray for it: the anger to cease, the hate that destroys the yoke of unity. It is a yukky, terrible thing, full of lies that destroy: that we can be one and still have love when hate lingers, festering.
Listen. See My face. It is above, full of anger at My church when they hate. I hate wrath that is unholy, that is directed at those inside who obey.
Jealousy, there is so much. Why not pray? Why not be like Me. Do you realize that what is to come is so full of wrath, and you want to be on the winning side at all costs.
Give your life to Me, now, while there is still time to prepare. If you wait, others cannot take you into where you belong. A crash course can’t happen at the last minute, enough to get you in, because you are festering with demons.
Your heart won’t change if you let rebellion keep you from Me now. Now is the day of salvation. Why wait?
© 2008 Jeff Fenske

Let Us Be ONE: Table of Contents