Author: Jeff Fenske Page 4 of 27

On January 22, 2011

In Doctrines Demystified, Filled with the HOLY Spirit, Prayer

Many students at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School were greatly
influenced by Jack Deere’s gifts-of-the-Spirit discovery
during the Vineyard Movement days
just over two decades ago.

Jack Deere

From: jackdeere.com/about.html

Jack was raised in Ft. Worth, Texas in a broken home that did not know the Lord. When he was 17 years old, a friend led Jack to Christ. Jack began reading the Bible for the first time and fell in love with the Scriptures. He attended Texas Christian University in Fort Worth, TX, where in majored in Philosophy and started working with the ministry of Young Life leading high school students to the Lord. After graduation in 1971, he attended Dallas Theological Seminary concentrating in Greek and Hebrew study of the Bible. He and Leesa were married in 1974. In 1976, he was invited to join the faculty of Dallas Seminary teaching Hebrew and books of the Bible in Hebrew. He received both a Master and Doctor of Theology degrees from Dallas Seminary. During his tenure at Dallas Seminary, he started and pastored two churches.

In 1986 after months of concentrated scriptural study, Jack reversed his position on the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit. He became convinced that all of the gifts of the Spirit were meant to be used today, including healing and prophecy. God had never withdrawn these gifts, rather many in the church had withdrawn from the gifts. Even though he had no supernatural experience of his own, Jack and Leesa along with others began praying for the sick and listening for the voice of God. Almost immediately, they saw some wonderful healings.

He left the seminary faculty at in the end of 1987 and joined the staff of the Vineyard Christian Fellowship Church in Anaheim, CA. He served with John Wimber at the church and traveled around the world with him doing conferences on intimacy with God and the Holy Spirit.

Jack left the Anaheim Vineyard in 1992 to begin his own conference and writing ministry. He has written best selling books, which have been translated into a number of languages He travels national and internationally doing conferences on many themes. He serves on the boards of a number of Christian ministries.

Jack is currently the senior pastor of Wellspring Church in North Richland Hills, Texas, a church he started in the spring of 2004. The mission of the church is threefold: to help people cultivate an intimate friendship with Jesus; to help people discover and effectively use their spiritual gifts in significant ways in the church; and having learned how to use these gifts effectively in the church, then to use their gifts in the market place where they spend the majority of their time.

Jack and Leesa live in Colleyville, TX. They have two grown children, Stephen and Alese.

From: jackdeere.com/books.html

Books

Surprised by the Voice of God

Surprised
Using biblical and contemporary examples this book shows that it has always been normal for God to speak to His children both from the Scripture and in their daily experience. If you want to hear God’s voice better you will find this book inspiring and helpful many practical ways.
Autographed Version

Surprised by the Power of the Spirit

Surprised
This best selling book has become a classic receiving praise from scholars and leaders all over the world. Using the Bible and contemporary examples it makes a convincing case for the reality of supernatural power in the church and answers those skeptical of the Spirit’s power.
Autographed Version

The Gift of Prophecy

Surprised

C. Peter Wagner said this book “is the new operator’s manual for those who want to be participants, not just spectators, in today’s prophetic movement. This book will help you put it all together, get it up and running, and troubleshoot whatever problems arise.”

Autographed Version

Purchase at Jack’s Site
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Related:
Francis Frangipane: Holiness Precedes Power | More of my experiences at Trinity and in the Vineyard Movement | Why did John and Chris Whimber die?

Francis Frangipane: Holiness Precedes Power | More of my experiences at Trinity and in the Vineyard Movement | Why did John and Chris Wimber die?

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: “…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD.” — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

On January 22, 2011

In Doctrines Demystified, FreedomQuotes, James-3 Cursing People, Personal, Power OVER or under, Revival

“A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful,
but holiness will precede power.”

– Francis Frangipane

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I read Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God, by Francis Frangipane during the Vineyard Movement, when I first attended Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in ’89-90.
It was so much fun to attend the Evanston Vineyard (where I bought Francis’ book) — the presence of God and the peace that passes all understanding was so evident.
The fire spread to other students, and Professor Wayne Grudem was wonderfully also involved.
The effect this was having on the students greatly angered many of the cessationist adhering faculty members. There were us smiling students and then there were the eyes that looked away as we approached on the campus sidewalks. It was almost like in the days of Jesus, how he was hated by the religious leaders while saying “blessed are the peacemakers.”
Some of the faculty even openly opposed the movement (writing papers), which died soon after I left, so that when I returned to Trinity a few years later things were back to dead-normal; though, TEDS did add a course finally in Systematic Theology on the person of the Holy Spirit: ST 5103 (603)!
When John Wimber and his son, Chris Wimber (head of Vineyard Music) physically died, I knew why: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable” I knew why when John was sick and couldn’t figure out why. “Christians” can be so mean, diabolical!

During the second time I studied at Trinity, I had a dream in which I was told that if I didn’t pray an hour a day (in tongues) that I wouldn’t make it. Here, God shows how this works: A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls). The gift discussed here is speaking in tongues, which unfortunately the Vineyard Movement largely ran from; even though, they embraced many of the other spiritual gifts, like healing and the word of knowledge. Had they embraced tongues, I think it’s probable that John and Chris would still be alive today. There is no doubt that John was hated fiercely by the old guard. Instead of admitting they were wrong, they James-3 cursed him. Many were Calvinists basically doing what their founder did:

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!

Some of us saw Francis Frangipane and John Wimber speak (I think even Jack Deere was there, former professor Dallas Theological Seminary — Dallas excludes those who believe in the gifts) in a Chicago auditorium at a Vineyard conference during this time, including Wayne Grudem. I discuss some of this here:

“The Perfect Storm” by John Paul Jackson. What to expect in the next 10 years. To overcome, we must be right with each other: “You must have clean hands and not harmed others. And if you have, you must repent so that you can be clean” | My experience at Trinity.

In this post, I state a key reason why I believe the movement died — the introduction of tithing. They built a new building at their headquarters in Los Angeles. Prior to this, they taught the people to be led by the Holy Spirit in giving, determining in their hearts what to give, like Paul actually taught:

The Day that Tithing Ended—To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Another key reason the Vineyard Movement died is that John Wimber, himself was a Calvinist. Vineyard did not teach the truth about who goes to heaven: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
In the ’90s, when the worship music died, there was much sin in the camp and they were still trying to worship God in song. People sought the gifts and not the Creator. Though, in the late ’80s, there was a strong holiness emphasis, influenced to a great degree by Francis Frangipane’s book: Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. And this is the main reason why God responded in signs and wonders during this period. The glory of God, His presence was so often evident.

May we get it right this time:

no ~~tithing~~;

include tongues

and the truth about who goes to heaven.

jeff fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

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From: An email from Francis Frangipane

Holiness Precedes Power

Many Christians look for shortcuts to the power of God. To try shortcuts is to become, at best, frustrated; at worst, a false teacher or prophet. Listen very carefully: there is tremendous power for us in God but not without holiness. Holiness precedes power.

When John Saw Jesus

Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?” But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him. After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.” Matthew 3:13-17

Let us understand this prophet, John the Baptist. According to the Scriptures, John was filled with the Holy Spirit “while yet in his mother’s womb” (Luke 1:15). We are also told his coming was in the spirit and power of Elijah. Historians tell us that John’s penetrating, uncompromising ministry led nearly one million people to repentance. Vast multitudes left their cities and towns and went into the wilderness to hear the prophet and be baptized into repentance in preparation for the kingdom of God.

Only Jesus knew the fallen condition of the human heart more perfectly than John. No class of people escaped the Baptist’s judgment: soldiers and kings, sinners and religious leaders alike were all brought into the “valley of decision.” John’s baptism was more than a simple immersion in water. He required a public confession of sins as well as the bringing forth of righteousness (Matt. 3:6, 8).

Jesus testified that John was “more than a prophet.” He said, among those born of women, “there has not arisen anyone greater than John” (Matt. 11:9-11). John was a “seer prophet,” which meant he had open vision into the spirit realm. He testified that “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven” (John 1:32). He saw “the wrath to come” (Matt. 3:7). He witnessed “the kingdom of heaven” (v. 2). John had insight into the secrets of men’s hearts. His vision penetrated the veneer of the well-respected Pharisees; within their souls he saw a “brood of vipers.” Understand this about prophets: they are aware of things that are hidden from other men.

But when Jesus came to be baptized, before the heavens opened and the Holy Spirit descended, John saw something that was overwhelming even to his standard of righteousness. He gazed [into] Jesus’ heart, and he saw no sins, no lies, no lusts. John saw a level of holiness that, without knowing he was gazing at the Messiah, caused him to utter with astonishment, “I have need to be baptized by You” (v. 14).

Jesus, as the “Lamb of God” (John 1:36), was without spot or blemish. This is exactly what the prophet beheld in Jesus: spotless purity of heart. Christ’s virtue took John’s breath away! The powerful emanation of Christ’s inner purity made John immediately aware of his own need. When John saw Jesus, he discovered a level of righteousness that was higher, purer than his own. This great prophet looked into the heart of Jesus, and in the brightness of Christ’s holiness he cried, “I have need.”

And so it is with us. Each time we see Jesus, each successive revelation of Christ’s purity makes our need more apparent. As Christ’s holiness unfolds before us, we cannot but echo the same cry of John the Baptist: “I have need to be baptized by You!”

Yet, in the beginning of our walk, we embraced life in our own strength, trusting in our own skills for success and attainment. Yes, we turned to God, but mainly in times of grief or trial. However, as the Lord brings us into maturity, what we once considered strengths are actually discovered to be weaknesses. Our pride and self-confidence keep us from God’s help; the clamor of our many ideas and desires drown the whisper of the still small voice of God. Indeed, in God’s eyes, the best of human successes are still “wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked” (Rev. 3:17).

In time, we discover that all true strength, all true effectiveness–yes, our very holiness itself–begins with discovering our need. We grow weaker, less confident in our abilities. As the outer shell of self-righteousness crumbles, Jesus Himself becomes God’s answer to every man who cries for holiness and power in his walk.

We may think we have spiritual gifts, we may presume we are holy, we may rejoice with human successes, but until we see Christ and abandon our reliance upon our self-righteousness, all we will ever have, at best, is religion.

Oh, let us grasp this truth with both hands; let it never slip from us. Jesus Himself is our source of holiness! We are so eager to do something for Him–anything, as long as we do not have to change inside. God does not need what we can do; He wants what we are. He wants to make us a holy people. Let us not be anxious in this process. Allow Him to do the deep inner work of preparation. Jesus lived thirty years of sinless purity before He did one work of power! His goal was not to do some great work but to please the Father with a holy life.

Hear me; our goal, likewise, is not to become powerful but to become holy with Christ’s presence. God promises to empower that which He first makes holy. Do you want your Christianity to work? Then seek Jesus Himself as your source and standard of holiness. Do you want to see the power of God in your life? Then seek to know Christ’s purity of heart. If we are becoming the people Jesus calls His own, we should be growing in holiness. A mature Christian will be both holy and powerful, but holiness will precede power.

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The preceding article came from Pastor Frangipane’s first book, Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God. This book was recently re-published by Charisma House. Look for the new edition to be in stores March 1. However, we still have a number of the previous edition, which has the same content. If you are interested in this powerful classic, we are making the old version available for just $4.95. This is available on a first-come, first-served basis as quantities are limited.

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Rhydian Roberts: "Benedictus" & "Somewhere" at Royal Albert Hall

On January 21, 2011

In Music Videos

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eriLMw5SVc8]Benedictus & Somewhere – Classic Response Concert – Rhydian @ Royal Albert Hall

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Sound quality suffers when in the front rows – sorry. Nice view though 🙂

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WniAo45fbcM]Rhydian singing Benedictus at The Royal Albert Hall

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Rhydian singing Benedictus at The Royal Albert Hall. Classic Response Concert supporting SOS Children’s Villages – Haitii Disaster Appeal.
Rhydians album O Fortuna, has been nominated for Best Album of the Year in the 2010 Classical BRIT Awards.
http://www.classicalbrits.co.uk/voting
The winner of this prestigious award is chosen by public vote….

Related:
All of My Rhydian Roberts posts

D. A. Carson: The Problem of the Canon Within the Canon — A subset of scriptures taught in exclusion of those that would result in true doctrine. "We badly need to listen to one another, especially when we least like what we hear."

who-goes-to-heaven-scriptures/#comment-191

On January 21, 2011

In Doctrines Demystified, Personal

Pushing the delete key:

The canon is the entire Bible, but most have their own personal “canons” within the canon.

* * *

The English word canon goes back to the Greek word kanon and then to the Hebrew qaneh. Its basic meaning is reed, our English word cane being derived from it. Since a reed was sometimes used as a measuring rod, the word kanon came to mean a standard or rule. It was also used to refer to a list or index, and when so applied to the Bible denotes the list of books which are received as Holy Scripture. Thus if one speaks of the canonical writings, he is speaking of those books which are regarded as having divine authority and which comprise our Bible. (source)

* * *

“Everyone has a canon within the canon, Zahl suggested, that sums up the Bible’s message. Most of us, he added, find it difficult to live with other parts of scripture that conflict with our personal canon. ‘God’s grace to sinners and sufferers,’ said Zahl, is his own canon. ‘The hurting person that lives inside me is galvanized by that saying.'”

– Joseph Wakelee-Lynch — Scripture’s Truth and Diversity

* * *

Two things will help us to escape from these traps. First, we badly need to listen to one another, especially when we least like what we hear; and second, we need to embark, personally and ecclesiastically, on systematic studies of Scripture that force us to confront the entire spectrum of biblical truth, what Paul calls ‘the whole counsel of God’.

The name of the game is reductionism. … The tragedy of all these procedures is that by some route we may avoid hearing the Word of God precisely where we most need to hear it. In this way, an issue [that is] at first hermeneutical is in danger of overturning the reforming authority of the Word of God.

– D. A. Carson [text is below]

* * *

Having a canon within the Canon is a huge problem — a major reason why false doctrines are forefront in most ‘churches’!
For example, many of the texts I present in Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? were missing in our systematic theology text at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
In order to understand the truth about a subject, we must look at all the texts that discuss a subject — and in context in relation to the writer’s style.
Which is where Biblical theology (as opposed to systematic theology) comes in. I explain how Biblical theology affected my Who-Goes-To-Heaven essay here:

who-goes-to-heaven-scriptures/#comment-1058

Thanks to Jerry W’s wise advice, I took every Biblical theology class I could at Trinity, including Johnannine Theology with D. A. Carson. My paper is linked at the bottom.
Incidentally, I never did finish my seminary education, but am so glad that I was able to see firsthand what is going on in religious higher education. At this time, seminaries are basically toxic. There is too much disinformation and pressure to conform, mixed with “knowledge puffs up.” This is pretty good, though.
jeff
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From: http://www.maxddl.org/….pdf BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION AND THE CHURCH: TEXT AND CONTEXT, edited by D. A. Carson

A Sketch of the Factors Determining Current Hermeneutical Debate in Cross-Cultural Contexts
D. A. CARSON Professor of New Testament, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School

[…]

C. THE PROBLEM OF THE CANON WITHIN THE CANON

Long recognized by biblical scholars, the problem of ‘the canon within the canon’ is that although the church officially recognizes a written ‘canon’,viz, the Bible (whether the sixty- six books of Protestantism, the inclusion also of the Apocrypha in Roman Catholicism, or some other refinement), it invariable shapes its theology by greater reliance on some parts of this canon that on others. This creates a shorter ‘canon within the canon’ that will almost certainly be at variance with some other ‘canon within the canon’ utilized by some parallel ecclesiastical grouping. In other words, two churches or two Christians may share a common canon, but disagree implicitly or explicitly over their respective ‘canons within the canon’. In such a case it is not surprising that their respective theologies differ substantially from each other. Whether this difference is the result or the cause of the disparate ‘canons within the canon’ cannot always be determined; and it is easy to suspect that with the passage of time result and cause intermingle.

What is not always perceived, however, is that there are at least three different ways in which the problem of the canon within the canon may develop. First, an ecclesiastical tradition may unwittingly overemphasize certain biblical truths at the expense of others, subordinating or even explaining away passages that do not easily ‘fit’ the slightly distorted structure that results. Galatians, say, may define a church’s grasp of justification and grace in such a way that 1 Corinthians or the Pastoral Epistles are somewhat muted. Second, an ecclesiastical tradition may self-consciously adopt a certain structure by which to integrate all the books of the canon, and earnestly believe that the structure is not only sanctioned by Scripture but mandated by it; and as a result, some passages and themes may automatically be classified and explained in a particular fashion such that other believers find the tradition in question sub-biblical or too narrow or artificial. Dispensationalists and covenant theologians, for instance, are on the whole equally convinced that their opposing numbers have imposed a grid on Scripture in such a way that the canon cannot enjoy its free and reforming power: some other, lesser canon has intervened. Third, many others reject parts of the canon as unworthy, historically inaccurate, mutually contradictory or the like, and adopt only certain parts of the Scripture. The parts they accept constitute their ‘canon within the canon’. Of course, this third alternative is the most serious, and reduces in one way or another to the question of the truthfulness and authority of Scripture.18 Even some who lie more or less within the evangelical camp have now defended the position that the New Testament documents, for instance, do not provide us with any unified theology, but with a range of acceptable (yet at places mutually contradictory) theologies.19

I have treated this question at some length elsewhere;20 [D. A. Carson, ‘Unity and Diversity in the New Testament: On the Possibility of Systematic Theology’, Scripture and Truth, ed. D. A. Carson and John D. Woodbridge (Grand Rapids and Leicester 1983) 65–95, 368–375]….

Suppose, for instance, that a pastor wishes to encourage people to accept his authority and to follow his leadership almost without question. This might arise because he is a demagogue; or it might arise because in his cultural setting people naturally reverence leaders and eschew iconoclasm. He can foster what he regards as a healthy spirituality in this respect by citing passages such as Heb. 13:17 ad nauseam; but he will probably be less inclined to cite 1 Pet. 5:11ff. or Matt. 20:24–28. Such a leader may have a theoretically unified canon; but he operates with a canon within the canon when it comes to certain preferred doctrines. The resulting aberration may be entirely unwitting, or it may be perverse; but either way it distorts the Scriptures and has important ramifications in the life of the church.

Many western Christians, for instance, simply do not hear the Scriptures when they speak about the poor; their own experience has been limited to segments of society which from a world perspective are immensely privileged. Their counterparts in the third world may feel very deeply the passages in Scripture which treat poverty; but by the same token they may focus primarily on a subset of those passages—viz. those which insist the rich be far more generous and which warn against hoarding. This situation is somewhat paralleled, at the microcosm, by the pastor of a small church who is very concerned to get across to his congregation the responsibility for the church to pay good teachers with ‘double honour’ and a respectable stipend, while the church leaders themselves may be very exercised about those passages which insist that spiritual leaders must be free from greed and covetousness and love of material goods. Not only is each side focusing a disproportionate amount of attention on passages which most tellingly apply to others rather than to themselves, each side is also developing, wittingly or not, a canon within the canon.

The name of the game is reductionism. … The tragedy of all these procedures is that by some route we may avoid hearing the Word of God precisely where we most need to hear it. In this way, an issue at first hermeneutical is in danger of overturning the reforming authority of the Word of God.

Related:
A Call to Intimacy: The Holy Spirit in John’s Gospel & Epistles A paper I wrote for D. A. Carson’s Johannine Theology class at Trinity

The BIBLE is NOT a bag of TRAIL MIX. You can’t just pick out the pieces you like and ignore the rest.

(video) The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God's glory on the roof! "Even the fingernails grew back!" In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next, even greater revival will come in about 100 years! We're due!!!

Smith Wigglesworth: “THE LAST DAY REVIVAL WILL BE THE GREATEST revival this world has ever seen!”

On January 19, 2011

In Healing, Pray Perfectly in Tongues!, Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Real History, Revival, The Third Great Awakening

From: Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural, July 14-20, 2008 | pdf of Entire Interview

[RADIO BROADCAST]

Sid Roth:

My guest as a young man met elderly people
who were involved in the biggest move of miracles
in the history of America.

It was called the Azusa Street Revival.
He tells me that he met some of the people and heard
first hand what occurred, stories such as ears
that did not exist popping back into place,
arms that did not exist coming out and growing,
these are called creative miracles.

Did you know that the Azusa Street Revival
that happened in the early 1900′s was the
first integrated church in America?
God picked a one-eyed black man to lead the greatest
move of God’s Spirit in miracles I believe since the first
coming of the Messiah….

* * *

Sid: Tell me one miracle that you heard of that occurred with William Seymour?

Tommy: The greatest that I knew of was that Brother Seymour would tell them to sing in the Spirit and then that fire would come up out of the roof, would come down and then he…

Sid: Wait, you are going too fast for my peanut brain. A fire would go through a roof?

Tommy: Yes.

Sid: Explain what you mean.

Tommy: Okay a fire would come up out of the roof and the fire would go up about fifty feet and the fire about fifty feet away from it in the sky would come down and mingle with it.

Sid: Could people see this fire?

Tommy: Oh yes, matter of fact they got many calls to the fire department, not from people in the meeting, but from people outside that would see it.

Sid: Really, it was the fire of God’s glory.

Tommy: Yes, now it wouldn’t consume, you didn’t smell any fire, but that is when the greatest miracles would happen, and he would, he got up was telling them and Brother David Garcia was there, and he said, he was the
one that told me about it

* * *

Tommy: … And the man’s arm had been ripped out on a job related with a big machine, and it had ripped out even the shoulder.

Sid: So in other words he did not have the limb

Tommy: He didn’t have the shoulder, the arm or nothing, and he, when he prayed for him Brother Garcia said “Brother Tommy, I was standing very close where I could look right down into that socket and see the bone.”

And he said, “Brother Seymour prayed for him, and he just kind of stood there for a while with his hands on his head smiling,” “All of a sudden that bone started growing out and right behind it would come this flesh going around the bone.”

And he said it probably took about two seconds, but to him it was in slow motion. And that mans arm just grew out, and he said within a few minutes even the fingernails grew back on his fingers.

* * *

Sid: Now William Seymour prophesied about the next revival that will come, tell me about that.

Tommy: He prophesied that in about a hundred years, he did this in 1909, that there would be a…

Sid: So about a hundred years would be 2009?

Tommy: Yes, that would be about, before or after?

Sid: About, okay.

Tommy: He said another revival like unto Azusa Street, only greater, would come again, only this time it wouldn’t be in one place, it would be all over the world….

[But it’s gotta start somewhere – jeff]

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Tommy: It was the shekinah glory, it was a smoky looking kind of, one woman said kind of an orangey color, and it went on over to the young people and they all fell out in the spirit and hysterical laughter, they just couldn’t stop laughing and four brand new converts came up to Brother David and said Brother David it dawned on them and they had only the baptism a few weeks, they figured out what this stuff is and he kind of laughed and said, “What is this?” They said, “It’s God’s laughing gas.”

[TV BROADCAST]

Guest: Tommy Welchel |pdf of Entire Interview

Azusa Street Revival | It’s Supernatural with Sid Roth | Tommy Welchel

Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural!
Published on Oct 21, 2013

This week on Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural, as a young man, Tommy Welchel lived among the survivors of the Azusa Street Revival. Now he shares the impartations he received from the very people who were there!

(audio) Sid Roth on ‘Coast to Coast AM’ 9/1/13: Miracles & Healing — Why did the Azusa St. revival stop (1906-1909)? William Seymour “became too sophisticated for the box” — to hear and obey — but prophesied an even greater revival would happen in 100 years!
Sid Roth: The missing ingredient, speaking in tongues — “I believe that God wants to restore this gift for the last great push of God’s spirit”
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Effects of the WELSH REVIVAL 1904-05: Whole communities were radically changed FROM DEPRAVITY TO GLORIOUS GOODNESS. The CRIME RATE dropped, often to nothing. THE POLICE had little more to do than supervise the coming and going of the people to the chapel prayer meetings. THE UNDERGROUND MINES echoed with the sounds of PRAYER and HYMNS, instead of nasty jokes and gossip. People who had fallen out BECAME FRIENDS AGAIN!!!!!!!
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’M FREE!’”
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

Tommy Welchel on William Seymour and Charles Parham's 100-Year Prophecy: On the same day in 1909, hundreds of miles apart, they both prophesied God's visible shekina glory would return to earth after 100 years, but this time everywhere!

On January 19, 2011

In Prophecies Dreams & Visions, Real History, Revival, The Third Great Awakening

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzhKIViD0RU]tommy welchel seymoures 100 year prophecy

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tommy welchel talking with randy clark sharing some more about parham and seymores 100 year prophecy. The shekina glory never left azusa, even thout the pentecost fire and creative miralces went all over the world. in late 1909, on the same day, they both prophecied the azusa glory, the visible shekina glory, would return to earth after 100 years, but now everywhere.

Azusa Street Revival — I was there (in the studio audience)

On January 19, 2011

In Personal, Pray Perfectly in Tongues!, Real History, Revival

I was shocked when I found this online a few days ago! I was in the studio audience during this particular show — the only time I visited TBN.

I think this was during the time I was visiting Fuller Theological Seminary — checking out the library and sitting in on some classes. John Wimber (Vineyard) taught his signs and wonders class here.

There were only a handful of us in the audience, so we could hear the pre-recorded people-clapping track when the show began. And it can be heard here too.

Regarding Cecil Roebeck’s statement that I quote, soon, we all may be poor — and desperate. But why wait until then to get the Third Great Awakening, which is just real, biblical Christianity happening!

Jeff

“It’s very interesting that revivals almost inevitably
take place among the lower classes….
When that desperation turns to a quest after God….”

– Cecil Mel Roebeck
Fuller Theological Seminary

• • •

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE8N36OrnWs

The Azusa Street Revival Full Documentary

PCM TV

Published on Jan 15, 2013

I believe a mighty move of God is coming to shake the nations one more time before our Lord Jesus Christ Returns

markus777 | May 17, 2008

The Azusa Street Revival was a Pentecostal revival meeting that took place in Los Angeles, California and was led by William J. Seymour, an African American preacher. It began with a meeting on April 14, 1906 at the African Methodist Episcopal Church and continued until roughly 1915.

The revival was characterized by speaking in tongues, dramatic worship services, and inter-racial mingling. The participants received criticism from secular media and Christian theologians for behaviors considered to be outrageous and unorthodox, especially at the time. Today, the revival is considered by historians to be the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century.

[video] Daniel Rodes: A Man Dedicated to God

In Filled with the HOLY Spirit, heart, soul, mind, gut?, Lust Freedom!, Power OVER or under

On January 18, 2011

UPDATE: For some reason, it looks like this video was removed.
If anyone knows where it still is online please let me know.
jeff
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This is excellent!
…but just scratches the surface.
I hope there are parts 2, 3, 4, 5 … !

Daniel is the real deal!
I’ve spent significant time with Daniel and Esther.
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Daniel Rodes

Some topics discussed:
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Daniel’s testimony
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Completely breaking addictions:

“Grace doesn’t give you permission to sin.
It will help you over it.”
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Having a great marriage every single day
(he and Esther TOTALLY do):

“I’d rather not be married than to get the wrong one.”

“You [husbands] have to submit to God first.”
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Being filled with the Holy Spirit
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A clean heart
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Finances
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Watch 1-Hour Video Interview Here

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Apostle Daniel Rodes Interview Part 1 from Timothy Johnson on Vimeo.

An interview with Apostle Daniel Rodes that took place in Harrisonburg, VA in January of 2010.

The backstory of how Brother Rodes, who grew up in a conservative church setting, became a teacher, evangelist, pastor, prophet and apostle. Brother Rodes has travelled extensively throughout the world preaching and teaching the Word of God.

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Daniel’s Website:

Truth, Light and Life Ministries International
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Related:
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[Photo] Daniel Rodes and Me in Alaska
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Mom with Esther and Daniel Rodes
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Daniel Rodes Prophecy 2/28/09: What Will Happen to Our Little Ones?

Daniel Rodes’ 2003 prophecy: The Joy of the Lord —
“I want you to warn My children
that Deuteronomy chapter 28 verses 47 and 48 are about to be fulfilled.”
“We need to repent of our lack of gratitude
and turn to the lord with a heart full of joy and gladness.”

Francis Chan Freedom Quotes!

On January 17, 2011

In Francis Chan, FreedomQuotes, FUN or AMAZING Stuff!, Revival

Francis Chan

Select quotes from: goodreads.com…

“But God doesn’t call us to be comfortable. He calls us to trust Him so completely that we are unafraid to put ourselves in situations where we will be in trouble if He doesn’t come through”
— Francis Chan

“The irony is that while God doesn’t need us but still wants us, we desperately need God but don’t really want Him most of the time.”
— Francis Chan

“Our greatest fear should not be of failure but of succeeding at things in life that don’t really matter.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Lukewarm living and claiming Christ’s name simultaneously is utterly disgusting to God.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“We need to stop giving people excuses not to believe in God. You’ve probably heard the expression ‘I believe in God, just not organized religion’. I don’t think people would say that if the church truly lived like we are called to live.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“I believe He wants us to love others so much that we go to extremes to help them.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“God’s definition of what matters is pretty straightforward. He measures our lives by how we love.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Can you worship a God who isn’t obligated to explain His actions to you? Could it be your arrogance that makes you think God owes you an explanation?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“[Y]ou have to stop loving and pursuing Christ in order to sin. When you are pursuing love, running toward Christ, you do not have opportunity to wonder, *Am I doing this right?* or *Did I serve enough this week?* When you are running toward Christ, you are freed up to serve, love, and give thanks without guilt, worry or fear. As long as you are running, you’re safe.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Both worry and stress reek of arrogance.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“From start to finish, this movie is obviously about God. He is the main character. How is is possible that we live as though it is about us?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“He wants all or nothing. The thought of a person calling himself a ‘Christian’ without being a devoted follower of Christ is absurd.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“When I am consumed by my problems-stressed out about my life, my family, and my job-I actually convey the belief that I think the circumstances are more important than God’s command to always rejoice.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“…when we love God, we naturally run to Him-frequently and zealously. Jesus didn’t command that we have a regular time with Him each day. Rather, He tells us to ‘love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ He called this the ‘first and greatest commandment’ (Matt. 22:37-38). The results are intimate prayer and study of His Word. Our motivation changes from guilt to love.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Are we in love with God or just His stuff?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“We don’t get to decide who God is.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“He does not have to know us so well, but He chooses to.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“This book is written for those who want more Jesus. It is for those who are bored with what American Christianity offers. It is for those who don’t want to plateau, those who would rather die before their convictions do.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“We are a culture that relies on technology over community, a society in which spoken and written words are cheap, easy to come by, and excessive. Our culture says anything goes; fear of God is almost unheard of. We are slow to listen, quick to speak, and quick to become angry.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“The irony is that while God doesn’t need us but still wants us, we desperately need God but don’t really want Him most of the time. He treasures us and anticipates our departure from this earth to be with Him-and we wonder, indifferently, how much we have to do for Him to get by.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Lukewarm people love others but do not seek to love others as much as they love themselves.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“God’s art speaks of Himself, reflecting who He is and what He is like.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Lukewarm people think about life on earth much more often than eternity in heaven.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“No worship is better than apathetic worship.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Christians today like to play it safe. We want to put ourselves in situations where we are safe ‘even if there is no God.’ But if we truly desire to please God, we cannot live that way.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“Allow God to be as creative with you as He is with each of us.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“…our concern is more about going to heaven than loving the King.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

“The concept of downsizing so that others might upgrade is biblical, beautiful…and nearly unheard of. We either close the gap or don’t take the words of the Bible literally.”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

‎”Do you know that nothing you do in this life will ever matter, unless it is about loving God and loving the people he has made?”
— Francis Chan (Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God)

Ron Paul: "COURAGE begins with a commitment TO SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE, rather than how we wish they were."

On January 17, 2011

In FreedomQuotes

“Courage begins with a commitment
to see things as they are,
rather than how we wish they were.”

– Ron Paul

(source)

[WordPOWER!] Jesus in Matthew 10:34-38 — Don't let relatives keep you from taking up your cross and following Christ — "A man's foes will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more…."

On January 17, 2011

In WordPOWER

Matthew 10

34 “Don’t think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn’t come to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at odds against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 A man’s foes will be those of his own household.

37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me. 38 He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me, isn’t worthy of me. 39 He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.

Russell Kelly, Ph.D.: Reply to Jim Feeney, Ph.D. on Tithing

In Abbott Loop CC / Unite Church, Doctrines Demystified, The Church is Getting Jacked!, Tithing or Spirit-led

From:russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

Thursday, July 15, 2010

Reply to Jim Feeney, PHD

Review of Pastor Jim Feeney, Ph.D. by Russell E Kelly, Ph. D.

FEENEY: Acts 20:33 [The apostle Paul said] I have not coveted anyone’s silver or gold.

KELLY: You missed the point. In 3 years at Ephesus Paul had not asked for ONE PENNEY of support. Not only had he been totally self-supporting but he also supported those in his group. He very definitely was not asking for offerings –much less tithes!

FEENEY: It is never our intent at South Valley Church to covet your finances.

KELLY: In Acts 20:29-35 Paul commanded church elders to work and care for the needy in their churches. He quoted Jesus to back up his point

FEENEY: But there is an area of finances that we do covet — that is, that the Lord receive his tithe.

KELLY: There is not a single text after Calvary for the Church to tithe. In the OT the Levites and priests received the first tithe.

FEENEY: Leviticus 27:30, 32 A tithe of everything from the land…BELONGS TO THE LORD… The tenth (ten percent) of our gross increase belongs to the Lord.

KELLY: The text defines HOLY tithes as only food from inside God’s HOLY land which God had miraculously increased. Tithes could not come from what man produced, from Gentiles or from outside Israel.

FEENEY: Wealthy Abraham, the first great patriarch of Israel, gave tithes centuries before Moses’ Law (Genesis 14).

KELLY: Why did Abraham tithe pagan spoils of war? The Bible does not say that God commanded it or that he gave it freely. In the context of 14:21 he was obeying the law of the land which REQUIRED tithes of spoils of war to one’s local king-priest.

FEENEY: Poor Jacob, the father of the twelve tribes of Israel, gave the tithe, also before the Law — Genesis 28:22 “And of all that you give me I will give you a TENTH.”

KELLY: Quote the entire text. This was Jacob the supplanter telling God what to do as part of a freewill vow. His tithe was not a holy tithe of the law.

FEENEY: In the Law that God gave through Moses to God’s people, there were clear commandments to give tithes —

KELLY: Only to Old Covenant national Israel. And Israel was commanded NOT to share its covenant with the Gentiles.

FEENEY: Leviticus 27:30, 32 A tithe of everything from the land…belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the Lord. … The entire tithe of the herd and flock — every tenth animal … — will be holy to the Lord.

KELLY: Only FOOD increased from inside God’s HOLY land of Israel. Tithes could not come from defiled pagan land.

FEENEY: Ten lambs born? They gave the Lord one. Ten bushels of wheat harvested? They gave the Lord one. They tithed — that is, they gave ten percent — on the “gross” increase.

KELLY: “They” were farmers and herdsmen who lived inside Israel. “They” were not Gentiles or craftsmen.

FEENEY: My tithe “belongs [not to me, but] to the Lord.”

KELLY: Unless your are an Old Covenant Hebrew living inside Israel and producing food, then YOU cannot tithe. You may give 10% of your income, but that is not a true biblical tithe.

FEENEY: 1,500 years after Moses received the Law, Jesus REAFFIRMED in His day the validity of tithing:

Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! YOU GIVE A TENTH of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, WITHOUT NEGLECTING THE FORMER.

KELLY: Jesus was living under the jurisdiction of the Law and was discussing MATTERS OF THE LAW. The tithe went to the Levites and not to Jesus. Jesus could not tell his Jewish or Gentile disciples to tithe to him because it would have been sin to do so. Mt 23:23 is still Old Covenant before Calvary (Gal 4-5).

FEENEY: Later in the New Testament, in 1 Corinthians, ch. 9, the apostle Paul teaches on the financial support of the work of God and uses commands from Moses’ Law as guidelines — 1 Corinthians 9:8

KELLY: This would have been the perfect time to clearly teach on tithing and Paul did not.

FEENEY: “Doesn’t the Law say the SAME thing?” (referring to how the priests lived on the tithes and offerings). Paul brought the principle of the Levitical tithe — “the SAME thing” — over to the support of New Testament ministry.

KELLY: The argument is self defeating because it would force the church to copy “IN THE SAME WAY” ALL of the types of support of the Levitical system and not merely tithing. The “principle” from 9:7 to 9:14 is that each vocation has its own principles of support. The Christian principle is “grace and faith” – not law.

FEENEY: Should Christians tithe? The words of both Jesus and Paul seem clearly to bring tithing into New Testament times.

KELLY: No. Christians cannot tithe even if they wanted to do so. And the tithing STATUTE of Numbers 18 required Levitical tithe-recipients to forfeit property ownership. That is ignored too.

FEENEY: In the history of the New Testament Church since the first century, biblical tithing has been commonly, although not universally, taught and practiced.

KELLY: There is no record of any kind of tithing taught in the early church for at least 200 years after Calvary and even Cyprian’s attempt failed. Tithing did not become legally enforced in the Church for over 700 years. Even then it was only food off church-owned property.

FEENEY: In fact, tithing was a common religious practice in many nations in the ancient world.

KELLY: This proves that pagans tithed spoils of war before Abraham was born. They also worshipped idols and sacrificed children. Being old and common does not make something eternal and moral.

FEENEY: 2 Chronicles 31:12 Then they FAITHFULLY brought in the contributions, tithes and dedicated gifts.

KELLY: Because the king had erroneously told them to bring it to Jerusalem it rotted in the streets. Read 31:15-19 where it was re-shipped back to the Levitical cities.

FEENEY: Tithing is an indicator of our FAITHFULNESS. It’s a weekly, semimonthly, or monthly opportunity to demonstrate to God your faithfulness and commitment to His work on earth.

KELLY: Texts? NT giving is: freewill, generous, sacrificial, joyful, not by commandment and motivated by love for God and lost souls (2 Cor 8 and 9).

FEENEY: Giving our “tenth” is an indicator of our GENEROSITY. And God takes notice of the attitude of generosity: “God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

KELLY: Tithes were cold hard law and must be given by food producers inside Israel whether they desired to or not.

FEENEY: Numbers 18:21 I give to the LEVITES all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance IN RETURN FOR THE WORK THEY DO while serving at the Tent of Meeting.

KELLY: The Church does not obey a single tithing command found in Numbers 18. Levites, who received the first whole tithe, were NOT the ministering priests; they were the servants to the priests.

FEENEY: Biblical tithing allows God-called ministers to devote themselves fully to the Lord’s work.

KELLY: The Bible neither endorses nor discusses whether gospel workers should be full time.

FEENEY: Levites/priests in the Old Testament, fivefold ministers (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers) in the New Testament.

KELLY: No. Modern Jews do not tithe because there is no temple or priesthood. Levites vaguely correspond to unpaid ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc. All NT believers are priests. Gospel workers more closely follow the example of OT prophets who were either self-supporting or lived off freewill offerings.

FEENEY: Malachi 3:8-10 “Will a man ROB GOD? Yet you rob me.” But you ask, ‘How do we rob you?’ “In TITHES AND OFFERINGS. (9)You are under a curse — the whole nation of you — because you are robbing me.

KELLY: Malachi is addressed to Old Covenant Israel under the Law. According to Malachi 1:6; 2:1; 2:17 and Neh 13:5-10, “every priest in the nation” was stealing from God by keeping the best for themselves. Also, no born again adopted child of God can be cursed (Gal 3:10-13).

FEENEY: (10) Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house.

KELLY: Only Levites and priests were required to do this per Neh 10:38-39.The people were commanded to bring their tithe to the Levitical cities per Neh 10:37b.

FEENEY: Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

KELLY: The whole law was a test –not merely tithing. Obey all to be blessed; break one to be cursed. Gal 3:10-13.

FEENEY: 6. Why do I believe in tithing (and giving offerings also)? I wouldn’t want to take a chance on God considering me a ROBBER!

KELLY: Robbers accept something which only belonged to OT Levites and priests. You rob God if you do not obey all the tithing law of Numbers 18 and own property.

FEENEY: 7. Why do I believe in tithing? Because God says He wants His “house” to be ABUNDANTLY supplied.

KELLY: The early church did not even have its own buildings legally until after AD325.

FEENEY: Why tithe? Because God says if I am faithful in tithes and offerings, He will open the windows of heaven and pour me out abundant blessings.

KELLY: God cannot and will not bless New Covenant believers because of their obedience to annulled Old Covenant conditional promises (Heb 7:5, 12, 18). Only “successful tithers” are paraded before the church pulpit while most that are not blessed sit quietly and wonder why they are cursed even after tithing.

FEENEY: Proverbs 3:9-10, KJV Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: [10] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

KELLY: Firstfruits and tithes are never the same thing in the Bible. Firstfruits are very small token offerings per Deu 26:1-4; Neh 10:35-37a, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

The love of money gone amuck among preachers: Taking money from the poor by giving them false hope is $$$big$$$ business! Kenneth Copeland – "I am a billionaire."

In "The LOVE of MONEY", Biblically Disqualified Leaders?, Doctrines of Demons?, The Church is Getting Jacked!

“I have confessed that I am in the billion flow,
and that I am a billionaire.”

– Kenneth Copeland

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKYpljgWeM]FAke false preachers.wmv

Ebonyqueenstandup | January 04, 2010 | 58 likes, 5 dislikes

WHAT Do THESE PEOPLE TEACH YOU ? all the deception that people are falling for. Absolutely [—-] these FALSE TEACHERS! The modern institution of the church HAS FAILED!

YOU ARE NOT A SLAVE ANYMORE
READ AND DO Research On The BIble

Fine OUT THE TRUTH

Stop believing everything the preacher say

clips from ringo tv and others

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Tithing or Spirit-led

From:russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

REASONS TO OPPOSE NT TITHING

REASONS AGAINST NT TITHING
From Essay By Russell E Kelly, PHD
www.tithng-russkelly.com
Supporting texts with essay

1. NOT NEW COVENANT: New Covenant giving principles are far superior and more inclusive.
2. NOT DEFINED BIBLICALLY: The definition of holy tithes is only food from inside Israel which God had miraculously increased. Tithes could not come from what man increased, from Gentiles or from outside Israel.
3. NOT MONEY: Although money was required for sanctuary worship, money was never a tithe-able item.
4. NOT FROM OUTSIDE ISRAEL: Abram’s tithe was in obedience to the law of the land, was only pagan spoils of war and he gave the 90% to the king of Sodom.
5. NOT UNIVERSAL MINIMUM: In the Old Covenant only food producers inside Israel were required to begin at 10%.
6. NOT FOR PRIESTS: The OT Levitical tithe went to the servants of the priests who equate to ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc.
7. NOT FOR PROPERTY OWNERS: Under the Law, those who received the first Levitical tithe were not allowed to own property and were required to kill anybody attempting to enter the sanctuary.
8. NOT HOLY: The tithe was only holy if it came from inside Israel. It was only holy as part of the Old Covenant to support its priesthood.
9. NOT FIRSTFRUITS: The tithe and firstfruits were never the same thing. Tithes were tenth-fruits. Firstfruits were very small token offerings.
10. NOT 10%: There were 3 tithes totaling 23% plus a 10% tithe to the king.
11. NOT FROM THE POOR: The poor did not tithe. They received much of a 2nd festival tithe and all of a 3rd third year poor tithe.
12. NOT FOR WORSHIP ONLY: Levites also worked as political employees of the king in secular affairs.
13. NOT TO THE TEMPLE: The people brought tithes to the Levitical cities. The Temple was too far away to feed 98% of the Levites and priests.
14. NOT FROM MALACHI: Malachi was only for Old Covenant Israel whose priests were guilty of stealing the best tithes they had vowed to God.
15. NOT TAUGHT BY JESUS TO THE CHURCH: Matthew 23:23 is a condemnation of enforcers of the Law as “matters of the law.” It was illegal to teach tithes to Jesus from Jews or Gentiles.
16. NOT FOR NT PRIESTS: The OT priesthood and Temple have been replaced by the priesthood of every believer.
17. NOT NT STOREHOUSE: The OT Temple has not been replaced by the so-called storehouse of the church building. Buildings were not legal for almost 300 years after Calvary.
18. NOT A MORAL LAW: OT tithes were part of the worship ordinances which ended at Calvary for Hebrews. The Church never was under the Old Covenant Law.
19. NOT FOR GOSPEL WORKER SUPPORT: The New Covenant neither commands nor condemns full time gospel workers.
20. NOT SUPPORTED BY CHURCH HISTORY: No early church father suggested tithing for over 200 years. It did not become enforceable for over 700 years. Most U. S. churches did not teach tithing until around 1895.
21. NOT MORAL HERMENEUTIC: Tithing was not repeated to the church in terms of the New Covenant after Calvary.

Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

Russell Kelly: TITHERS' MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Tithing or Spirit-led

From: russkellyphd.blogspot.com…

TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

“EVEN IF” MATTHEW 5:17 MEANS THAT NONE OF THE OLD COVENANT LAW HAS ENDED —-
such still does not validate tithing of money to gospel workers because —1. The Law defines tithes as only food from inside God’s holy land of Israel which He had miraculously increased (Lev 27:30-34).
2. The Law does not accept tithes from what man increased or from outside Israel (Lev 27:30-34).
3. The Law commands that the first whole Levitical tithe be given to the Levites servants of the priests (Num 18:21-24).
4. The Law commands the Levites to give one tenth of the tithe they receive to the priests (Num 18:25-28).
5. The Law requires OT priests to kill anybody attempting to enter the sanctuary (Num 18:7, 22).
6. The Law requires those who receive Levitical tithes to forfeit property ownership and inheritance (Num 18:20, 23).
7. The Law requires a second tithe (20% total) to be eaten in the streets of Jerusalem during the 3 annual feasts (Deu 14:22-26).
8. The Law requires a third tithe every third year to be kept in the homes for the poor (total 23%) (Deu 14:28-29).
9. The Law would not permit Gentiles to tithe either to Jesus or to the Temple system (Deu 7:2).
10. The Law’s application did not allow money with images to enter the Temple –thus the money-changers (Mt 22:20-21).
THEREFORE appealing to the Law to justify tithing among New Covenant Gentile Christians still does not justify a changed definition and application of tithing.

Posted by Russell Earl Kelly

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Entire Article Here
Related:
The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit
Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine
Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving
Tithing or the Carriage Driver?
David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”
Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!
All of my Tithing or Spirit-led posts

In Doctrines Demystified, Doctrines of Demons?, Tithing or Spirit-led

From: tithing-russkelly.com

Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

1. WHO #1: The Levitical servants to the priests who received the first whole tithe have been abolished. See Numbers 18:21-24. Modern equivalents to the Levites are unpaid ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, etc.

2. WHO #2: OT priests who received a tenth of the tithe (only 1 per cent) have been abolished. See Num 18:25-28 and Neh 10:38.

3. WHAT: The definition of tithes as only food miraculously increased by God from inside His holy land of Israel has been abolished and replaced with the false unbiblical definition of income. See Leviticus 27:30-34 and 14 other texts which describe the contents of the tithe. Yet money was common in Genesis.

[WordPOWER!] David in Psalm 38: "…neither is there any HEALTH in my bones because of my sin. … Those who SEEK MY HURT…meditate deceits ALL DAY LONG. … Those who HATE ME WITHOUT REASON…render evil for good…BECAUSE I FOLLOW WHAT IS GOOD." — Check your HEART. Are you one of the James-3 cursers?

Jesus on forgiving to be free from demons in Matthew 18: “So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your HEARTS for his misdeeds.”

In Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Forgive & Be FREE, Healing, James-3 Cursing People, No Enemy, Personal, WordPOWER

I awoke, hearing “Psalm 38,” again. This has happened to me before.
I get cursed a lot, what I call James-3 cursing, when its from ‘Christians.’ And unless we forgive everyone, 100% from our whole hearts the arrows have a right to pierce us, which Jesus describes in Matthew 18:

[WordPOWER!] 1 John 4 “Perfect Love Casts Out Fear” means us perfectly loving, not us perfectly accepting His love for us (as is commonly taught). Let’s love perfectly!

So the problem is us and them. We can pray for them, which helps us and them:

I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues…

But what should even be more important in our thinking is to totally release and forgive — and perfectly love. And at this point, hardly anyone, including myself seems to be able to walk in this 24/7.
I was just reading this, which I think is another huge key.

Holiness Will Excise Darkness — Many will follow and run from iniquity when you are holy, when your sights are set on Me, up, where they belong.

God allows us to be cursed, which often even causes illnesses, so we get fed up with being tormented, so we learn to walk in total love, where perfect love casts out fear.
It’s hard to walk in perfect love when there is so much hate and anger coming our way — if and when we stand up for righteousness in the mostly dark days we are in. But are warfare is not against people who are actually demon driven to hate and attack us, ‘Christians’ James-3 cursing brothers and sisters in the Lord.
We’re living in a dark period, but many will follow and run from iniquity when we are holy…!
Power to the peaceful! Peace starts with us!
I’ll comment on David’s Psalm 38 via highlighting and putting comments in brackets.

Psalm 38

1 Yahweh, don’t rebuke me in your wrath, neither chasten me in your hot displeasure. [Notice how the Lord was angry in Mt. 18 when the servant wouldn’t forgive. God can get angry with us when we willfully withhold love no matter what revisionist pastors say]

2 For your arrows have pierced me, your hand presses hard on me. [God disciplines those He loves, being His sons and daughters. It appears that the “arrows” are evil spirits (Mt. 18 ‘tormentors’) allowed to affect us until we walk in perfect love, not giving them a right to enter. Evil spirits can actually grab body parts, which could feel like pressure. Look at the source of these arrows which David shows starting in verse 12 — the hate and anger, the James-3 cursing!]

3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of your indignation, neither is there any health in my bones because of my sin.

4 For my iniquities have gone over my head. As a heavy burden, they are too heavy for me.

5 My wounds are loathsome and corrupt, because of my foolishness.

6 I am pained and bowed down greatly. I go mourning all day long.

7 For my waist is filled with burning. There is no soundness in my flesh.

8 I am faint and severely bruised. I have groaned by reason of the anguish of my heart.

9 Lord, all my desire is before you. My groaning is not hidden from you.

10 My heart throbs. My strength fails me. As for the light of my eyes, it has also left me.

11 My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my plague. My kinsmen stand far away.

12 They also who seek after my life lay snares. Those who seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and meditate deceits all day long.

13 But I, as a deaf man, don’t hear. I am as a mute man who doesn’t open his mouth.

14 Yes, I am as a man who doesn’t hear, in whose mouth are no reproofs.

15 For in you, Yahweh, do I hope. You will answer, Lord my God.

16 For I said, “Don’t let them gloat over me, or exalt themselves over me when my foot slips.”

17 For I am ready to fall. My pain is continually before me.

18 For I will declare my iniquity. I will be sorry for my sin.

19 But my enemies are vigorous and many. Those who hate me without reason are numerous.

20 They who also render evil for good are adversaries to me, because I follow what is good.

21 Don’t forsake me, Yahweh. My God, don’t be far from me.

22 Hurry to help me, Lord, my salvation. For the Chief Musician. For Jeduthun. A Psalm by David.

Related:
James-3 cursing:

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within

A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls)

Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

Strand: Most ‘Christians’ James-3 Curse & Matthew-5 Lust

‘Pastor’: You can pray AGAINST people too. “It’s well worth it!” – Vs – God: “Bless and don’t curse;” “This wisdom is…DEMONIC;” “Overcome evil with good,” “that you may be children of your Father”

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

[WordPOWER!] James — Demons WITHIN drive ‘Christians’ to curse people. “If you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition IN YOUR HEART” you’re probably a James-3 curser. If so, “don’t lie against the truth.” Instead, be a PEACEMAKER, “for they shall be called children of God.” – Jesus

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

[WordPower!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)

Totally Forgiving

Why 9/11? | Forgiveness is the Key to Repentance

Forgive and Be Free

A Heart that is Clean Can Shake Mountains

Holiness Will Excise Darkness — Many will follow and run from iniquity when you are holy, when your sights are set on Me, up, where they belong.

Art Mathias on It’s Supernatural: Spiritual Roots of Disease — Healed Through Forgiving (If there is pain in a memory there is unforgiveness)

Forgiving-Others, Freedom Prayer!

Have-We-Forgiven Gauge: “If There is Pain In a Memory There is Bitterness”

John Tesh & Friends: How Important is FORGIVENESS in a Relationship? | FORGIVING: Our GREATEST OPPORTUNITY to SHOW the LOVE of Christ!

Greg Boyd’s Prayer: Teach us to be free, forgiving even our worst enemy

Greg Boyd: In the kingdom of God, we are not allowed to have any enemiesEd Young: Joseph—Betrayal, Forgiving, Trust, Patience & Loyalty—”Let God Take Care of Revenge”

[WordPower!] Jesus on forgiving to be free from demons in Matthew 18: “So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your HEARTS for his misdeeds.”

[WordPOWER!] Romans 12: Repay No One Evil for Evil — Don’t Curse — Give Place to God’s Wrath

[WordPower!] Philippians 2: Loving Others More than Ourselves to Love Others as Much? The Greatest Key to Forgiving & Holiness?

[WordPOWER!] 1 John 4 "Perfect Love Casts Out Fear" means us perfectly loving, not us perfectly accepting His love for us (as is commonly taught). Let's love perfectly to be free!

[WordPower!] Jesus on forgiving to be free from demons in Matthew 18: “So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don’t each forgive your brother from your HEARTS for his misdeeds.”

In Demons in Christians?, Doctrines Demystified, Forgive & Be FREE, No Enemy, WordPOWER

It’s amazing how many passages are currently being taught out of context. Most pastors, today, teach this passage to mean that if we still have fear it’s because we’re not fully accepting God’s perfect love. But John was clearly talking about us perfectly loving one another. Then we won’t have fear.
When we’re right with God and all people the demons have no right to torment us, and our consciences don’t condemn us — when perfect love casts out all fear!
Because when we don’t love others perfectly (or are not completely loving and forgiving one another from our whole heart — Mt. 18) then we’re not totally right with God, and God will allow us to be punished via the tormentors (Mt. 18). The curses have a right to stick (Eph. 4:26-27).

John is clearly talking about us loving completely, not the other way around. Look at what is highlighted in blue.

1 John 4

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God. 8 He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love. 9 By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God loved us in this way, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God remains in us, and his love has been perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we remain in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as the Savior of the world.

15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God. 16 We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him. 17 In this love has been made perfect among us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is, even so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who doesn’t love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 21 This commandment we have from him, that he who loves God should also love his brother.

Rhydian Roberts' Spiritual Testimony

In Music Videos, Personal

NOTE: I hesitated putting these up at first because of some significant compromise that Rhydian has elsewhere admitted, and at times has been obvious — which contradicts some of what is said here.

Nevertheless, I am impressed and blessed! And this is pretty cool!

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It’s interesting that Rhydian Roberts is from Wales,
where the 1904 Welsh revival began with Evan Roberts.

But Rhydian, if you ever read this, you’ve greatly inspired me
to sing more fully and press on more strongly!

Thank you VERY much!
Press on, brother. Be pure no matter what!

Let’s get the Third Great Awakening to happen soon,
where we can all be ONE in Christ —
A PLACE WHERE WE’LL BE SAFE!

Jeff Fenske
Anchorage, Alaska

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmsoWjiihIs]Rhydian’s Testimony

premiertv2006 | July 22, 2010 | 7 likes, 0 dislikes

Taken from Premier Christian Radio’s Inspirational Breakfast show interview with, X Factor Finalist, Rhydian Roberts.

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Interview & Performance (audio left channel only)[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyV2mluMbik]The Prayer sung by Rhydian
also interviewed by Aled Jones on Songs of Praise VTS 01 1 xvid 009

Related:
All of My Rhydian Roberts posts

All of My Rhydian Roberts posts

Theme for the Third Great Awakening, Rhydian Roberts: Somewhere — “We’ll find a new way of living. We’ll find a way of forgiving – Somehow – Someday – Somewhere!” — ‘ONE’ Will Happen!!!!!!!

In FUN or AMAZING Stuff!, Music Videos

It’s interesting that Rhydian Roberts
is from Wales,
where the 1904 Welsh revival
began with Evan Roberts.

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[Many of these videos work as is,
but for some, click on the video,
and then on “Watch on YouTube.”
At least Sony lets them be posted.]

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(video) Rhydian Roberts: The Impossible Dream — By-the-Sea AMAZING Version

Rhydian Roberts: The Prayer — “Let this be our prayer WHEN WE LOSE OUR WAY. Lead us…guide us with your grace to A PLACE WHERE WE’LL BE SAFE”

Rhydian Roberts: I Believe — Journey Through the Universe!

Rhydian Roberts: The Impossible Dream (precarious climb and other versions)

Rhydian Roberts: I’m Coming Home Again

Rhydian Roberts: O Holy Night

Rhydian Roberts: You Raise Me Up – To More Than I Can Be!

Rhydian Roberts’ Spiritual Testimony

Rhydian Roberts: “Benedictus” & “Somewhere” — Royal Albert Hall

Rhydian: ‘Benedictus’ — War/Inhumanity Version

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Many more, including duplicates at ToBeFree:
Google search

: )

Where the Welsh Revival 1904 Took Place — A Tour of the Building

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904%E2%…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/religion/s…
http://www.welshrevival.com

In Revival

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcSCeTMICaQ]Welsh Revival 1904 & Evan Roberts (Moriah Church)

lovejesusplz | June 24, 2010 | 11 likes, 0 dislikes

About Welsh Revival 1904:

About Evan Roberts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Rob…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/…

(video) The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and PUT ANY WRONG DONE TO MAN RIGHT again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

How Jezebel Killed One of the Greatest Revivals Ever — Before Azusa Street in 1906, there was the Welsh Revival in 1904

In Filled with the HOLY Spirit, Getting Right with Each Other, God's Love Revealed, Lust Freedom!, Real History, Revival

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

Orr knew Evan Roberts personally, but not until years after the revival.

“At the end of the prayer meeting, when they were getting up to go home, he said, ‘our young brother, Evan Roberts feels he has a word for you, if you care to wait.’ Many went on home, but 17 people waited. And Evan Roberts began like delivering a telegram:

‘I have a message for you from the Lord.

You must confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again.

Second, you must put away any doubtful habit.

Third, you must obey the Spirit promptly.

Finally, you must confess your faith publicly.’

Those became the four points of the Welsh Revival.”

All 17 responded.

A newspaper reporter wrote of a meeting he attended a week or two later:

“When the meeting closed at 4:25 in the morning, they didn’t want to go home.”

“Didn’t you hear Robert Coleman say ‘that’s what it was like at Asbury College?’ But could you imagine a whole country like that? It was phenomenal. The reports were in every newspaper in the western world.

Not only were 100,000 people converted, but the social impact was astounding.”

Five years later:

“The number who remained in fellowship was 82.5%, which was astounding. But as I say, the social impact was even more amazing. … In some places the police were unemployed.”

– J. Edwin Orr

(occasional sound glitches at the start mostly soon disappear)

Garland, Texas – The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr

sermonindex | December 15, 2009 | 2 likes, 0 dislikes

The work and ministry of sermonindex can be encapsulated in this one word: REVIVAL. sermonindex is not a organisation, business, or any attempt by man to build something for God. It is rather a expression of a heart burden to see the Church revived and brought back to holiness, purity, and power with God. “The mission of SermonIndex is the preservation and propogation of classical vintage preaching and the promotion of genuine biblical revival to this generation.” To download more sermons visit SermonIndex at: http://www.sermonindex.net

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is MIGHT and there is POWER and there is GLORY, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”

Rick Joyner: “REPENTANCE includes RESTITUTION for the wrongs that have caused injury to others”

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

(video) Asbury Revival, 1970: RECONCILIATION the KEY! — “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘I just hit my 34th person and I’M FREE!’”

What Does God Say About Lying PRESStitutes, Politicians & Pastors: “ALL LIARS, their part is in the lake that burns with fire”

Why Leaders Won’t Repent: “I was HURTING INSIDE, but I was much TOO PROUD TO SHOW IT.” “A leader has to have been broken in order to get himself out of the way and realize that he’s not really in the control he thinks he is.” “My gods were ‘get ahead,’ ‘get power.’ I really enjoyed it. I loved being saluted” – Chuck Colson

The Achan Factor — Because of one man’s disobedience the entire nation of Israel had to deal with the “Achan factor” among them before they could come under the umbrella of Almighty God’s blessings once again!

Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s 1909 prophecy of the shekinah glory returning to the church in 100 years: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. …the fear of God was on the community, and no one dared join them. But they were highly esteemed. Why did no one dare join them?”

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “How upside-down the ‘church’ is today.”

My Dream of ‘ONE’ Happening at Abbott Loop CC!

(video) A taste of JESUS’ AGONY because His people have HURT SO MANY… – Gary Clark Jr: When My Train Pulls In (Live at Farm Aid 2014)

‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”

Hume on Reconciliation: ~”IF YOU’VE MADE A MISTAKE, a blunder, ADMIT IT to yourself, and then GO to the people affected by it, and admit it to them, and TELL THEM YOU’RE SORRY — FULL-HEARTedly and OPENLY. People who do that make an enormous impression. It is the RIGHT, MORAL and SMART thing to do.”

My comment on Francis Frangipane’s post: “Francis, do you remember how you prophesied in Wasilla, Alaska about the REVIVAL happening up here to such a great degree that…” | Paul made sure he was right with everyone, but how many pastors can say that today? | “There is might and there is power and there is GLORY, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right…

“No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible”

Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent (prophecy)

The Azusa Street Revival (1906-15): The biggest move of miracles in the history of America — The fire of God’s glory on the roof! “Even the fingernails grew back!” In 1909, Seymour prophesied the next revival will come in about 100 years! We’re due!!!

Rhydian Roberts: The Prayer — “Let this be our prayer WHEN WE LOSE OUR WAY. Lead us…guide us with your grace to A PLACE WHERE WE’LL BE SAFE” (Rhydian Roberts is Welsh, by the way)

Rhydian Roberts: The Impossible Dream (Precarious Climb and Static Photo Versions)

Benny Hester: “When God Ran” — God will RUN when we come back to Him!

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

All of my Revival posts

according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”

All of my Revival posts

Great Christian Revivals DVD: The Welsh, Hebridean & Evangelical Revival — Evan Roberts, Duncan Campbell, John Wesley, and George Whitefield — "At 3am in the Morning People were Weeping in the Streets"

In Real History, Revival

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1WD5vQQM3A]Welsh Revival Evan Roberts, John Wesley, Hebridean Revivals (from dvd)

job293 | April 29, 2009 | 21 likes, 0 dislikes

Great Christian Revivals DVD -the Welsh, Hebridean & Evangelical Revival -Evan Roberts, Duncan Campbell, John Wesley, George Whitefield. 72 Minute Documentary From www.byfaith.org

Great Christian Revivals is an emotional, inspirational and uplifting account of some of the greatest revivals in church history. Set to a historic soundtrack, including Parry’s Jerusalem, the viewer is taken on location to witness the actual places where many special outpourings came to pass.

Drawing upon archive information, the stories of these Christian revivals are brought to life through the testimony of those who witnessed the events first-hand. Using computer animation, historic photos and depictions, the events of the past are weaved into the present, as the old and new are blended together to bring the stories alive.

Discover in a brand new light, the amazing accounts of the Welsh Revival, the Hebridean Revival and the Evangelical Revival. Weep with Evan Roberts as he pleads with God to change a country, join Duncan Campbell as the Holy Spirit visits a community and remember John Wesley and George Whitefield, as twenty-five percent of the nation gets saved!

“In times of evangelism, the evangelist seeks the sinner, in times of revival the sinner comes chasing after the Lord.” – J. Edwin Orr.

The Christian Revivals

“Revival is a going of God among His people and an awareness of God laying hold of the community.” – Duncan Campbell.

The Welsh Revival 1904 – 1905.

The Welsh Revival is perhaps the most famous in modern church history. Quite literally an entire nation was set-ablaze and transformed within a matter of just a few months. We join Evan Roberts where the revival began and trace its influence around the nation.

The Hebridean Revival 1949-1952.

This revival is one of the most dramatic outpourings of the 20th century. Find out how the Holy Spirit descended upon entire communities and and discover how His Presence was so tangible that people fell to the ground by the road-side weeping under conviction of sin!

The Evangelical Revival 1739 – 1791.

The Evangelical Revival changed the entire character of a nation and transformed every area of society. Beginning in the hearts of a few members of the Holy Club, the revival spread, leading to the conversion of one quarter of the population!

The Revivalists

“Often I have seen them overwhelmed with the Divine Presence and cry out, ‘Will God indeed dwell with men on earth?'” – George Whitefield.

Evan Roberts received an overwhelming burden for the soul of his nation. He began asking God for 100,000 people to be saved and he spent nights in prayer. He was the principle character that God used to birth the Welsh Revival. “You must put yourself entirely at the Holy Spirit’s disposal” he once said.

Duncan Campbell said, “Revival is a community saturated with God.” Campbell witnessed first hand the Spirit of God descending upon a community and learnt to let the Holy Spirit have His way. In his own words, “Seventy-five percent (of the people) were gloriously saved before they came near a meeting…the power of God was moving!”

John & Charles Wesley and George Whitefield were present at the beginning of Evangelical Revival. “It was a Pentecostal season indeed” said Whitefield. “Sometimes whole nights were spent in prayer. Often we have been filled as with new wine!” Around 25% of the population gave their lives to the Lord Jesus Christ.

www.byfaith.org

[video] Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. "There's a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND." "There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it." "Let's go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR."

In Doctrines Demystified, Francis Chan, Lying, The Church is Getting Jacked!, Who Goes to Heaven

Watch this Entire EXCELLENT Interview HERE

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“I don’t like hearing my name so much. …
I hear the words Francis Chan
more than I hear the words Holy Spirit.”

“…we focus on some of these New Testament teachings without the background
of understanding that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”

“There’s just this trend in churches awhile back
where we would make fun of those Hellfire and brimstone preachers:
‘Ah, you know, those old-time pastors.’
And you look at the scriptures,
you go: that’s what the scriptures teach.”

“Let’s not be swayed by the culture.
Let’s go back to what the truth has always been from the beginning,
and has never been popular.”

“There’s a lack of peace in so many people. …
There isn’t as much peace as sometimes we pretend there is….
And yet, during those times in our lives when we do put ourselves at risk,
those are the only times we really feel peace. …
And we experience God.”

“Even that phrase lukewarm Christian,
I don’t see that in the scripture.
He refers to these people as lukewarm.
He also refers to them as blind, naked, poor, wretched, pitiable.
And He says, I’m going to spit you out of My mouth
because you’re lukewarm. …
I don’t know how you can read that passage
and call that person a Christian,
because a Christian’s not going to be
spit out of the mouth of God.”

“There is this narrow road that leads to life
and few will find it.”

“We’re all believers, you know, in this room
because we all prayed a prayer at some point in our life.
I just don’t see that in scriptures.”

– Francis Chan

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

Excerpt:[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOetBYPBz6A]Francis Chan on the luke-warm church

premiertv2006 | June 30, 2010 | 11 likes, 0 dislikes

Francis Chan shares his views with Premier.tv’s Justin Brierley. FULL INTERVIEW: www.premier.tv [HERE]

An Evening with Philip Yancey, Author "What's So Amazing About Grace": Discusses the difficulty of writing and his discovery "The more risk I take the more I am rewarded. … I'm not radical. Jesus is radical" — His lunch with U2

In Freedom

“The more risk I take the more I am rewarded. …
I’m not radical. Jesus is radical.”

– Philip Yancey

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm3GGNg5SQk]An Evening with Philip Yancey 2008

Free Download | UCtelevision | May 01, 2008 | 63 likes, 3 dislikes

Author Philip Yancey explores the influence of faith and spirit on his writing in this interview with Dean Nelson of Point Loma Nazarene University. Series: Writer’s Symposium By The Sea [4/2008] [Public Affairs] [Humanities] [Show ID: 13985]

THIRD ANNIVERSARY of "Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way"

Once Luther remarked that he would give his doctor’s beret
to anyone who could reconcile James and Paul.

In Personal, Who Goes to Heaven

Today is the THIRD ANNIVERSARY of Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way!
It’s been up for 3 years and…
No one has been able to refute it; even though:

I’m offering $6,000 to anyone who can.

So far it’s hardly taught (but that will change, eh?).

It’s the #1 post on my site.

It’s usually #1 in a “Who goes to heaven” Google search.

It’s a radical departure from “Once Saved, Always Saved.”

It’s radically different from what Luther and Calvin taught…

And I and others who discovered this could have gotten Luther’s Ph.D. cap:

It’s the #1 key to the Third Great Awakening/ONE happening!

CHANGES

It’s now reinforced with “Who are the Children of God?”

Romans 8 has been expanded to show what happened to Rom. 8:1b in the NIV

Many links added, such as:

What is HORRIBLY WRONG with Modern Bible Translations like the NIV?
Most modern versions slavishly depend on
the Egyptian and Vatican corruptions of the New Testament!

It’s my baby. I’ve never married, and haven’t even dated for decades, and I don’t have the gift of singleness. This is my baby. I hope you check it out so ONE can happen!
From: my Let Us Be ONE prophecy (my other baby, the “sleeping giant,” 9 years-old now), Part 2 of 33

On the night before Jesus sacrificed his life for us, he prayed that those who would follow would be one. His heart still longs to see this fulfilled in our lives – “that the world may know.”

Not for these only do I pray, but for those also who believe in me through their word, that they may all be ONE; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be ONE in us; that the world may believe that you sent me. The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE; I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into ONE; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me.
(John 17:20-23)

This year?

ONE can happen this year!

If we build it He will come!

Power to the Peaceful!

That the world may know!

Jeff : )

Rhydian Roberts: I Believe — Journey Through the Universe!

In FUN or AMAZING Stuff!, God's Love Revealed, Music Videos

“I Believe”

by Mahalia Jackson

I believe for every drop of rain that falls
A flower grows
I believe that somewhere in the darkest night
A candle glows
I believe for everyone who goes astray,
someone will come
To show the way
I believe, I believe

I believe above a storm the smallest prayer
Can still be heard
I believe that Someone in the great somewhere
Hears every word

Everytime I hear a new born baby cry,
Or touch a leaf or see the sky
Then I know why I believe

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAsDv4MJEIA]Rhydian – I Believe

LuckyRedBraces | March 03, 2009 | 18 likes, 2 dislikes

Rhydian – I Believe

Journey through the Universe
NASA

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AtB5Upp_dc]Rhydian – I Believe – Symphony Hall

dianaben | December 20, 2010 | 1 likes, 0 dislikes

Guesting at Hayley Westenra’s Xmas wishes concert in Birmingham on 19th Dec 2010

[videos] Rhydian Roberts: The Impossible Dream (precarious climb and other versions)

In Forgive & Be FREE, FUN or AMAZING Stuff!, God's Love Revealed, Lust Freedom!, Music Videos, Revival, Who Goes to Heaven

Location: El Camino Del Rey — El Caminito del Rey
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“The Impossible Dream”

(music by Mitch Leigh and lyrics by Joe Darion)

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go

To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far

Precarious Climb[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5JZnwLVwaE]Rhydian – The Impossible Dream

To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause

And I know if I’ll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I’m laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star

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Static Photo Version
(if climbing precarious stairs and ledges make you queasy)[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjpXlAvvOSk]Rhydian Roberts – The Impossible Dream (With Lyrics)

amack1n | December 17, 2008 | 136 likes, 3 dislikes

Rhydian Roberts – The Impossible Dream

The headline song from Rhydian Robert’s new album, The Impossible Dream, is from the 1965 musical, Man of La Mancha

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL2pZb0VrTg]IMPOSSIBLE DREAM RHYDIAN AT BUILTH WELLS

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtN3_0hByr4]Rhydian – Impossible Dream

Uploaded by dianaben on Dec 11, 2011

Singing in concert in Bath on 10th Dec 2011

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