Compiled and processed by Jeff Fenske from: super-hot, IHOP Prayer Room worship, 3/6/09, described here
This is how I want to always live!
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Ryan Kondo/Band fade
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Ryan at maximum!
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Drummer kickin’ it hard!!
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This is awesome — YOU are so awesome, Victory, Freedom Fists!!!
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Update: I’ve been told that this cross did not survive the March-2012 roof collapse.
It had been moved from front and center to the west wall, which took the biggest hit.
Someone should resurrect this theme.
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Jesus:
Most certainly I tell you,
unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies,
it remains by itself alone.
But if it dies, it bears much fruit.
12/2/09
On Abbott Loop Community Church’s west wall
It used to be front and center
“What happened?”
ALCC’s cross and wheat logo
The idea comes from what Jesus said in John 12:
24 Most certainly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 He who loves his life will lose it. He who hates his life in this world will keep it to eternal life. 26 If anyone serves me, let him follow me. Where I am, there will my servant also be. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.
Paul taught (and Frank taught in Bible school) Jesus is The Pattern in Php 2:
1 If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassion, 2 make my joy full, by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3 doing nothing through rivalry or through conceit, but in humility, each counting others better than himself; 4 each of you not just looking to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also highly exalted him….
12 So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputes, 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you are seen as lights in the world.
Related:
My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”
[photo] Abbott Loop Christian Center (Abbott Loop Community Church) — 1985
[Updated 9/15/14 with additional text and reformatting]
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I have to say that I’m kind of flabbergasted, and for sure, disappointed, but at least it’s out in the open now. And this is partly what has encouraged me to finally, officially launch My $6,000 Challenge! I will give $6,000 to anyone who can refute my Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way article.
Background:
I am convinced that once-saved-always-saved (OSAS or eternal security) is The Great Deception and the main reason for the fall of real Christianity and the fall of America. I have written Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, which no one has been able to refute, and is basically the opposite of what was taught in Anchorage one week ago, in the church that at one time used to be so into holiness.
I attended part of Abbott Loop Community Church‘s Sunday service on 2/28/10. For the first time, ever, I heard from the pulpit once-saved-always-saved taught as fact. It was just a side-note to the message on wisdom, but it’s plain as day. According to Joshua Tanner, a born-again Christian “can have sexual immorality,” “lie and steal,” and Jesus will accept him into heaven. He just doesn’t get his “gift.”
Here is my transcription from the podcast, Call to Character – Wisdom (starting at minute-37), head pastor Joshua Tanner speaking [he was actually joking around quite a bit and impersonating goofy voices, which is part of the reason for the congregation laughing. But this is no laughing matter].
Josh starts out well, saying:
“What they ought to be: you love correction enough to first even look at the Word and say ‘my life’s not in alignment.'”
But then he says:
“Not go: [in a goofy voice] ‘It doesn’t really mean that I can’t have sexual immorality, and I can’t live, you know and lie and steal, and do whatever I want. It doesn’t really mean that. Grace, it’s all covered by the grace of God. I can do whatever I want. I’m going to stand before Jesus and He’s going to love me anyway.’
Yeah, He is going to love you. And He took all judgment on you for all those decisions you’re going to make. But you know what you’re going to do: live a powerish, lame, weak life. You’re going to stand before God and He’s going to go, ‘why? [in a goofy voice] Ohhhh. No gift for you [congregation laughs]. [Josh laughs] Right.
Like, ‘over to the healing leaves. You go to the healing leaves.’ That’s in Revelation. I don’t know what those are, but there’s the healing leaves for the saints.
[goofy voice] ‘Oh sweet Lord. I don’t know why I was so foolish, mmmm. I had all the truth I could ever want. Those healing leaves, healing leaves. Man, these things don’t smell good. Why, Lord?’ [congregation laughing]”
The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think?
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!
(Video) Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved — Joe Schimmel (known for They Sold Their Souls for Rock N Roll – demolishes OSAS!)
[ Video ] Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security
The Believer’s Conditional Security : Eternal Security Refuted, by Dan Corner (801 page end-of-story book, but doesn’t cover who then does go to heaven, biblically)
Rick Joyner: “REPENTANCE includes RESTITUTION for the wrongs that have caused injury to others”
Wes Hall [IHOP] on William Seymour’s 1909 prophecy of the shekinah glory returning to the church in 100 years: “Let me tell you about the church in the book of Acts. …the fear of God was on the community, and no one dared join them. But they were highly esteemed. Why did no one dare join them?”
My Dream of ‘ONE’ Happening at Abbott Loop CC!
“No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible”
Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent (prophecy)
[WordPower!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)
Rhydian Roberts: The Prayer — “Let this be our prayer WHEN WE LOSE OUR WAY. Lead us…guide us with your grace to A PLACE WHERE WE’LL BE SAFE” (Rhydian Roberts is Welsh, by the way)
[ video – The MOST BEAUTIFUL SONG! ] Benny Hester: “When God Ran”
I will give $1,500 [now $6,000] to anyone who can refute my Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? article.
There is no time to be low key about this any more. I am convinced that “once saved always saved” (OSAS) and “only believe” have all but destroyed the church in America — and America, itself! And many are going to hell having been taught they are going to heaven.
And this is the message that Americans have spread throughout the world! This is so serious — and tragic beyond belief!!
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tyvypduhjo]”Glory and Dominion” by Ryan Kondo
this is my new song called glory and dominion. It’s great for corporate worship setting the eyes of the church on Jesus and engaging the heart with love for Him.
Related:
Ryan Kondo (IHOP worship leader): “Business as usual will not do anymore. … The hour is late, the need is great, will you answer My call?”
Jesus in Matthew 5:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.
From: Rense
If You Want To Lose Your Soul
Blindly Support Your Government
– Right Or Wrong
By J. Speer-Williams
3-6-10
A soul-less being has no empathy for others. Lose your empathy, and you’ve lost your soul.
There is a “great divide” forming amongst mankind, and it’s often war that most often triggers that divide.
Once a combat soldier kills a defenseless non-combatant, he either likes it or feels remorse. If he likes it, he kills more non-combatants, many more. If he feels remorse, he’s likely to kill more non-combatants to anesthetized or deaden his feelings of moral anguish for having initially killed an innocent human being. In either case, such wanton killing is encouraged by “command intention,” from above, for a variety of reasons; but mainly, it’s done to spread the contagion of universal madness: a people without empathy.
In such a mad society, Israeli citizens justify burning alive Palestinian children, while American republicans still support Bush’s torture and murder of about two million innocents, and democrats overlook Obama’s expanded war and torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan.
Soon our madness – absence of empathy – spreads throughout the Middle East, and then around the world in the form of justifying or overlooking all governmental crimes as we are now emotionally invested in them, with our lack of empathy.
A lack of empathy blinds human beings to justice, liberty, and personal discernment, rendering them soulless – a major reason for all wars.
J. Speer-Williams
jsw4@mac.com
Related:
The Boot-Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!!
Boot camp kills the conscience so soldiers can do evil without being convicted in their hearts
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from Ryan’s prophecy following a super-hot, IHOP worship time (at ~25:00 – 45:00 into the set) 3/6/09
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Be Magnified!
Do I miss direct-to-God, “YOU are worthy,” hot, hot, hot worship!!! I played these 20 minutes over and over. Most ‘worship’ is just fluff in comparison. What a breath of fresh air!
Ryan Kondo fantastically led, the drummer was kicking it. This isn’t whimp worship. And I can’t say that I’m crazy about the lead guitarist’s tone: harsh, clangy yet in-your-face sassy, but this demonstratees that heart is more important than tone. “Make a joyful noise” illustrated?
After the prayers, Ryon prophecied this:
“Do not forget the hour that you’re living in. Business as usual will not do anymore. …
Can you feel the urgency of the hour that you are living in? This is the final generation. …
Business as usual will not do anymore. The status quo will not do anymore. I’m setting you apart: holy unto the Lord.
Holy unto the Lord. …
The hour is late, the need is great, will you answer My call?
The hour is late, the need is great, would you answer My call?“
You could still catch this in the next few days, navigating this way and following their schedule. He’s wearing a green t-shirt, a stocking cap, and an acoustic guitar.
We join with the angels with the chorus of heaven:
You are mighty, mighty, mighty
You are holy, holy, holy
You are mighty, mighty, mighty
You are holy, holy, holy
You are mighty, mighty, mighty
You are holy, holy, holy
You are mighty, mighty, mighty
You are holy, holy, holy
You are mighty, mighty, mighty
You are holy, holy, holy
You are mighty, mighty, mighty
You are holy, holy, holy
You are mighty, mighty, mighty
You are holy, holy, holy
All cry holy
All cry holy
All cry holy
All cry holy
Be exalted in our praises
Be enthroned upon our love, Lord
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Jeff Fenske : )
Alaska
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Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOPU Student Awakening, 3/5/10
During the IHOPU Awakening, tonight, Robert, an IHOPU student testified how he had wrestled with suicidal thoughts every night even as a born-again Christian, IHOP student. Wes Hall responds:
“He used to want to kill himself all night, every night, and he hasn’t wanted to kill himself once since November [since he got set free at the revival].
Beloved, there are some of you, here, who wrestle under a spirit of torment, depression and suicidal thoughts. And the Lord wants to set you free tonight.
He has done it with Robert. Robert is just one example of many.
Young people, some of you have been involved in sin, and the shame of that sin has led you into depression and thoughts of suicide, and that you’re never going to make it to God’s standard, and so why don’t you kill yourself.
And you’re into cutting, and you just get deeper and deeper and deeper into sin. Or you just live under this spirit of torment and suicide because of how you see yourself in the mirror.
Whatever the reason is, you live under this heavy cloud and this heavy weight, and this spirit of torment day after day after day — some of you it’s been years.
I don’t know if Stephanie is still here. Stephanie was here this week, and she came over from California. And she had been living under a similar thing for 44 years, since she was 6 years old. And in a moment, the Lord set her free. And I tell you, I just observed her, these past few nights, in this cloud of the joy of the Lord.
It really is possible for the Lord to set you free.”
“Some of you, the depression is because of certain TV shows you watch late at night. You watch certain movies and certain TV shows and you wonder why you want to kill yourself and why you feel depressed when you wake up in the morning, and it’s because you’ve been feeding yourself from demonic ideas from those TV shows.
I’m not talking about ‘X’ rated. I’m not talking about ‘R’ rated shows. I’m talking about the run of the mill.”
– Wes Hall, IHOPU provost
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I would like to add that for some reason, the IHOP leaders don’t seem to be discussing the importance and the freedom of reconciliation — at least up until this point. Getting right with those that they hurt was the main theme of the Asbury revival Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”
It’s important to be clean so freedom can last forever and ever — and so we can have confidence before God, now, and when we see Him face to face. Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
Related:
Rachael’s Testimony: “I didn’t know it was depression. I tried to always put on this happy face, try to make everyone happy. I was very good at wearing masks. I was very good at being a chameleon. … When that spirit left, I didn’t even know that it was there. …I feel so bright, and I feel like clean before the Lord. I feel like I can love others so purely…”
From: HenryMakow
Former vatican insider Malachi Martin’s asserted that a “Satanic Enthronement ceremony” took place in the Vatican in 1963.
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These allegations have largely gone unnoticed, possibly because Martin was so crafty in his descriptions that he might even have been referring to the coronation of Pope Paul VI. But he revealed much more about this alleged ritual in one of his last works, Windswept House: A Vatican Novel (1996).
In this story, he vividly described a ceremony called “The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer” held in St. Paul’s Chapel in the Vatican, and linked with concurrent satanic rites here in the U.S., on June 29, 1963, barely a week after the election of Paul VI.
In the novel, before he dies, a pope leaves a secret account of the situation on his desk for the next occupant of the throne of Peter, a thinly disguised John Paul II.
Malachi said this book was 85% based in reality.
Fr. Malachi Martin said more members of the clergy are becoming aware of the situation. An archbishop also accused high members of the hierarchy in Rome of practicing Satanism. The Italian newspaper Il Tempo and other major daily papers reported this stunning news.”
“According to The New American, Martin confirmed that the ceremony did indeed occur as he had described.”
http://www.tldm.org/news/martin.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/profecias/esp_profecia10.htm
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3/07
Myself and Daniel Rodes at Alyeska
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Related:
Daniel Rodes Prophecy 2/28/09: What Will Happen to Our Little Ones?
11/04
Joe Schimmel giving his They Sold Their Souls for Rock -N- Roll presentation
at the Radio Liberty 2004 Conference
This is where Joe and I discussed once-saved-always-saved
and Robert Shank’s books:
Life in the Son and Elect in the Son
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Related:
Carl, a reader asked:
I thought I’d share this with everyone in a post.
It’s now easy for me to say where I am politically, because of this one man, Ron Paul. I’m close to being a pure libertarian. I pretty much believe what Ron Paul teaches and practices, including how we should treat other nations regarding war. Who would Jesus bomb? “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” Where does this leave the mostly warmongering, Republican ‘church?’ Children of God if they’re not peacemakers?
My other freedom site, tobefree.press, demonstrates this.
But regarding a denomination designation, I’m not as easily defined. If we had a right-on-in-doctrine denomination we would have had revival and real Christianity a long time ago, I believe.
I had to look up oneness pentecostalism in Wikipedia to refresh my memory as to some of their finer points.
I’m definitely not Jesus-only. I believe in one God in three persons. I’m not sure where the Holy Spirit fits in though (I’m not sure anyone does). Jesus and the Father are certainly separate-yet-one. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is a separate person too? I sometimes refer to th Holy Spirit by name.
I don’t believe that Jesus-name baptism is biblical, either; though, the church I attended for years (and likely will again) at least used to teach that. I believe it’s false doctrine.
And I do believe that Jesus has a dress code, but it’s simply this: Jesus’ Dress Code. In this, Jesus says: “Give people space, as long as it’s holy.” I also wrote: The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy. This is serious. Lust is clearly a salvation issue. God’s standard hasn’t changed along with society.
And since I just linked to part of my Let Us Be ONE prophecy, I definitely believe that every Christian can and should hear God’s voice, but most ‘Christians’ have so many demons in them that they can’t tell which voice is God’s: There Should Only Be One Voice.
And some people really are prophets (Eph. 4:11), but today’s Christianity largely shuns, even prays against (James-3 curses) the real ones. Yesterday’s men don’t want to be bothered by tomorrow’s men. “Many don’t even know they are yesterday’s men,” R. T. Kendall. Most pastors are yesterday’s men, way out of touch with God’s will because they think they can function properly without prophetic people’s balancing effect. I’ve led a very lonely life. It’s so frustrating to have the answers and not only get dissed, but James-3 cursed every single day, many times.
I don’t know of even one church that understands the current James-3-cursing epidemic! Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within and A Gift that Will Set Many Free! (A Death Warrant is Out for Your Souls).
How’s this one: “Blessed Subtractions” = Pastors ‘Praying’ People Out of Their Churches
The only book that I’m aware of written on the subject is written by: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”.
It’s like friendly fire in the military. But in the church, those who have the information vital for moving the army forward to win the battle get shot at from within the ‘church.’ So forward progress has been almost impossible, especially when it comes to reforming the doctrines of demons, which I think are really exactly that.
And many ‘Christians’ (especially the leaders) have so many demons in them that they don’t even know they’re demon driven. And many churches don’t believe a demon can even be in them.
I do believe very strongly that Jesus wants us all to be ONE with each other in Him, according to John 17. But this is far different than where most Pentecostal churches are today. Most pentecostals probably hardly ever speak in tongues too.
I believe that all Christians can and should speak in tongues. This is the number one way to deal with demons, to build up our faith. And we can pray for others in tongues too. But hardly anyone teaches this; though, I think it’s easily clinically and scientifically verifiable/provable.
I definitely do *NOT* believe a person needs to speak in tongues to be a Christian (contrary to what some pentecostals believe). But I think it would be really hard to be holy without speaking in tongues, though, at least in this severely backslidden church period. Once revival happens, tongues won’t be as crucial as they are now. There will be a lot of real worship, real holiness, and we’ll be one.
Tongues, to me, are Christianity 101. When I became a Christian, I knew somehow that the road would not be easy and that I needed everything I could to make it. So I pursued this gift; though, I ended up needing help in Anchorage to get over the fear of saying something that wasn’t of God. I would have been dead long ago without having AND USING this gift.
From my experience, this is our personal prayer language primarily given to us so we can deal with the demonic without having to know the yukky actualities of what we’re dealing with. I wrote a long comment on this: I’ve finally shared much of what I know about and what can be done through the TREMENDOUS and mostly misunderstood and underused gift of tongues. A reader thankfully put me over the edge : )
But I get along with those who choose not to do this too. But usually, it’s so obvious they could do so much better if they used the gift God is so eager to give them — if we’d only be like little children. I’ve learned not to push, to give people space. I’m learning to be a libertarian spiritually, as well as politically.
I would agree with the oneness pentecostals that holiness follows salvation, rather than causes it. But most pentecostals are mostly into the “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation” brand of OSAS. Most pentecostals really aren’t into real holiness. I believe we must be right with God and people enough (according to what the Bible says: Who-Goes-To-Heaven…/Who are the children of God), so that we have a clear conscience so we will have faith to enter heaven when we meet the Holy Judge face to face (1 John).
Most pentecostal churches are currently spiritually dead; though, maybe they once had a reputation for being alive. And often, even then they were really still in trouble (Rev. 3:1-6).
I only know of one church leader who teaches somewhat closely to what I do regarding salvation, but he’s no longer leading a specific church: Daniel Rodes [the site is buggy though, I just discovered]. And we developed our doctrines independently. He’s amazing! I know him and his wife very well from our visits. We definitely don’t agree on everything, but that doesn’t affect our friendship adversely. Which brings up this doctrine that is so popular in pentecostal churches, as they keep the law in the new covenant church.
I am totally against the old covenant doctrine of tithing. Tithing is reverse-Holy-Spirit-led, and this is part of what kills the revivals. I wrote this: The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit. And if anyone is still skeptical, this should put this forever bury this false doctrine: Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine.
I suppose I’m somewhat into restorationism — that the early church (before ~100 A.D.) had the real thing happening, and we need to get that back. Although, it’s clear in Rev. 2 and 3 that most of the churches at that point had serious problems.
I consider this time to be a fabulous time to do research to discover what is true doctrinally and experientially. We have so much church history and tools available that we have no excuse. And now we have the end of America to help speed up the process.
I firmly believe that false doctrine is the number one problem in the church, and contrary to popular belief, we need true doctrine will get us back on our feet, jumping for joy!!!
I also LOVE worship with instruments too, including electric guitar, keyboards, drums, etc.. Some pentecostals shun modern instruments as if they’re demonic in themselves. I think the key is that the musicians must be holy to be able to worship in Spirit and in truth. It’s not about us. It’s about Him. Most worship leaders, today, don’t really worship, themselves, while they’re supposedly leading others. And the pastors accept this dead, non-worship because in their sin, many are actually uncomfortable in the presence of God. If God would show up in glory like He did in Acts, I think many pastors would be struck dead. Which is probably the main reason God doesn’t show up in His manifest presence. We must be holy first. Mike Bickle: Making a Purity Covenant so the HOLY Spirit can come and we won’t get zapped … to bless His heart — that we may be ONE!
There will be a day when we’re all holy. I just hope it happens before we totally lose our country. It should have happened many years ago. Then Christians would have voted for Ron Paul and our country would be in good shape.
I believe it’s too late for that now: ‘Let Us Be ONE’ Prophecy Continues 10/8/08: “It’s TOO LATE to REVERSE what’s been done for MY MEN have been REJECTED … Now is the Time to OVERCOME and GET RIGHT With ALL … FREEeeeeeeeeeeeee———DOM at last … Your HEART will SWELL with LOVE and it will be EASY to REMAIN In Me when others are On The BOAT With You”
Having said all that, if someone asks me to categorize myself, I usually just say I’m a non-denominational charismatic; though, that doesn’t really say who I am.
And Calvinists call me Arminian, as far as my belief that God sovereignly has decided to give us all free will. And it doesn’t give Him glory to say that He is sovereign dictator of everything. This would make Him an ogre. God wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus died for everyone, but it’s up to us as the Holy Spirit enables us, gives us grace to overcome.
And then, being born-again is just the start of our adventure in God — within His parameters — He who loves us so much!
Jeff Fenske
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Related:
Chip Brogden: What is Spiritual Unity?
“Woe to those who prophesy peace and safety.”
– the last words of a prophecy by
Jon Rizzo in the IHOP Prayer Room, 2/24
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from a prayer sung during worship/intercession with Matt Gilman (who is on fire right now, having been touched big-time regarding his prophetic anointing on Saturday night at the IHOPU Awakening) at the IHOP Prayer Room, 2/23/10.
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Turn my eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.
Fill me with life.
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This concept is wonderful, spending our time only on what’s beneficial, which is why I posted this. But I have this reservation, which I think is significant.
In my opinion, there is too much asking (even telling) God to do things for us that He has already empowered us to do.
I know I’m being picky here, but it’s been something that has concerned me for many years. Why are we putting the this on God? Why are we asking Him to do something He’s already promised He would help us do?
Whose responsibility is it to turn our eyes? Ours or God’s?
God gives us the grace (those of us who are born-again), He will always give us the power of the Holy Spirit so we will be able to turn our own eyes.
He won’t do it for us, but He’ll help us and empower us to do it, by His grace.
And regarding asking/telling God: “Fill me with life.”
He already promised He would respond in this way:
“Draw near to God and He’ll draw near to you.” (James 4)
He will. We don’t have to ask Him to, tell Him to, beg Him to. He will when we draw near to Him in holiness, right with each other — worshiping Him in Spirit and in truth.
It’s automatic. “We don’t have to work it up.” We need to prepare a place for Him.
He will draw near to us when we truly will draw near to Him — worshiping Him in Spirit and in truth
We’re living in the new covenant now. The Holy Spirit is in us 24/7, ready to go.
I would prefer these versions:
Let’s turn our eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.
Thank you for filling us with life.
Or
We turn our eyes from worthless things,
even the permissible that’s not beneficial.
We look to You as the source of life.
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How did they do it at the Asbury Revival when God showed up BIG-TIME?
Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”
Let’s get right with each other and then we can worship!!!
Mt. 5:
23 “If therefore you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOPU Student Awakening, 2/19/10
“I felt like there are some watching on the webcast. There are some watching right now in seminaries. And the reason you’ve gone to seminary is to prove to God how diligent you are, how dedicated you are.
Some of you went into ministry because your heart was not settled in God’s love. And you said, ‘if I go to seminary, if I get trained for ministry, if I prove to God through serving Him and serving His people how dedicated I am, I will receive His love.
Some of you weren’t even called into the ministry. You were called into the marketplace. You were called into government. You were called into business. You were called into education and science. But you think: ‘if I go into ministry, somehow I’ll earn God’s approval and I’ll be able to encounter His love.’
Lord, I ask that You would set them free, God. Set them free from that spirit of performance that tries to enslave them.
For some of you, it’s because you’ve had fathers who tried to put expectations on you, and you’ve been serving those expectations all your life.
Some of you should have been in ministry and you went into business, and you tried to become the best you could to earn your father’s approval in the natural…”
– Wes Hall, IHOPU provost
Many teach that grace is simply God’s unmerited favor. They say: “salvation = grace + nothing.” But, according to Paul “the grace teacher,” grace has a much fuller meaning.
Grace isn’t just what Jesus did for us on the cross. Grace is God giving us the Holy Spirit, Who enables us and gives us the POWER TO OVERCOME sin. And overcome, we must (Rev. 21:7-8 & many other scriptures).
Steve Hill says: “Jesus didn’t set us free to sin; He set us free from sin.”
Paul teaches in Titus 2:
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we would live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world; 13 looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ; 14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify for himself a people for his own possession, zealous for good works.
From: http://www.bible-researcher.com/grace.html
“Against a still common view it must be stated that in Paul χαρις [the Greek word for grace – ed.] does not mean primarily a divine attribute (Wobbe, Charis-Gedanke, 32). It does not mean, in good Greek fashion, God’s graciousness, nor concetely his free love (Taylor). It almost always means the power of salvation which finds expression in specific gifts, acts, and spheres and which is even individualized in the charismata.” —Ernst Käsemann, Commentary on Romans, trans. G. Bromiley (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1980), p. 14.
“In Paul … χαρις is never merely an attitude or disposition of God (God’s character as gracious); consistently it denotes something much more dynamic—the wholly generous act of God. Like ‘Spirit,’ with which it overlaps in meaning (cf., e.g., [Rom] 6:14 and Gal 5:18), it denotes effective divine power in the experience of men.” —James D.G. Dunn, Romans 1-8 (Dallas: Word Books, 1988), p. 17.
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Naturally, the various meanings of the word were simply taken over from ordinary language by the New Testament writers. And so it is quite illegitimate to try to construct on the basis of all the occurrences of the word a single doctrine that will account for all the various usages. That one word could express both “charm of speech” and “thankfulness for blessings” was doubtless felt to be a mere accident, if it was thought of at all. But none the less, the very elasticity of the word enabled it to receive still another—new and technically Christian—meaning. This seems to have originated in part by fusing together two of the ordinary significances.
In the first place, as in (e) above, charis may mean “a gift.” In 1 Corinthians 16:3; 2 Corinthians 8:19 it is the money given by the Corinthians to the Jerusalemites. In 2 Corinthians 9:8 it is the increase of worldly goods that God grants for charitable purposes. In 2 Corinthians 1:15 it is the benefit received by the Corinthians from a visit by Paul. In a more spiritual sense charis is the endowment for an office in the church (Ephesians 4:7), more particularly for the apostolate (Romans 1:5; 12:3; 15:15; 1 Corinthians 3:10; Ephesians 3:2,7). So in 1 Corinthians 1:4-7 charis is expanded into “word and all knowledge,” endowments with which the Corinthians were especially favored. In 1 Peter 1:13 charis is the future heavenly blessedness that Christians are to receive; in 3:7 it is the present gift of “life.”
In the second place, charis is the word for God’s favor, a sense of the term that is especially refined by St. Paul (see below). But God’s favor differs from man’s in that it cannot be conceived of as inactive. A favorable “thought” of God’s about a man involves of necessity the reception of some blessing by that man, and “to look with favor” is one of the commonest Biblical paraphrases for “bestow a blessing.” Between “God’s favor” and “God’s favors” there exists a relation of active power, and as charis denoted both the favor and the favors, it was the natural word for the power that connected them. This use is very clear in 1 Corinthians 15:10, where Paul says, “not I, but the grace of God which was with me” labored more abundantly than they all: grace is something that labors. So in 2 Corinthians 12:9, “My grace is sufficient for thee: for my power is made perfect in weakness”; compare 2 Timothy 2:1, “strengthened in the grace,” and 1 Peter 4:10, “stewards of the manifold grace.” Evidently in this sense “grace” is almost a synonym for the Spirit, and there is little real difference between “full of the Holy Spirit” and “full of grace and power” in Acts 6:5,8, while there is a very striking parallel between Ephesians 4:7-13 and 1 Corinthians 12:4-11, with “gifts of grace” in the one passage, and “gifts of the Spirit” in the other. And this connection between grace and the Spirit is found definitely in the formula “Spirit of grace” in Hebrews 10:29 (compare Zechariah 12:10).
Related:
David Wilkerson: True Grace — “According to Paul, we are not walking in grace until we have broken from worldly corruptions. Unless we are endeavoring through the power of the Holy Spirit to lead godly and righteous lives, looking for the Lord’s coming in our every waking moment, we do not know God’s grace.”
Britt Williams: Biblical Grace, What Is It?
(video) Dan Corner: True Grace Vs False Grace — Charles Stanley’s security in sin: “You cannot out-sin the grace of God” Vs Jesus: “He who endures to the end will be saved”
“Grace”: To Give You Life to Overcome—Not a License to Sin
(video) Dan Corner: True Grace Vs False Grace — Charles Stanley’s security in sin: “You cannot out-sin the grace of God” Vs Jesus: “He who endures to the end will be saved”
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.”
How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!
What is liberal Christian theology? — “Love” of our fellow man becomes the defining issue. The Greatest Commandment, ‘Life in the Son’ is ignored — where our yoke is easy and our burden is light, and we’ll find rest for our souls
Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”
The CHIEF PILLAR of Eternal Security (OSAS) Toppled – John 10:27-29! — “Only those who are hearing and following Christ right now are his sheep”
Leonard Ravenhill: Romans 7 vs 8 — Life before the Son vs Life in the Son — “Romans 7 is a funeral march, Romans 8 is a wedding march … it’s a Spirit dominated life in chapter 8.”
[WordPOWER!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)
D. A. Carson: The Problem of the Canon Within the Canon — A subset of scriptures taught in exclusion of those that would result in true doctrine. “We badly need to listen to one another, especially when we least like what we hear.”
Dan Corner: “If you’re lusting in your heart, you are an adulterer, and you won’t inherit the kingdom.”
[Lust “the poison that kills the soul” FREEDOM] My experience: How DEMONS DRIVE heterosexual and homosexual lust in ‘Christians’ — The bad news is that demons drive lust. The good news is that demons drive lust, because…
Gandhi: Widespread Belief Doesn’t Make an Error True
HeartQuotes: Truth — “A thing does not therefore cease to be true because it is not accepted by many” – Spinoza
WordPower: BEWARE, in the LAST DAYS People Will Be WILLINGLY IGNORANT
Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it WAS PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’” Many need to get right with people they’ve hurt to be free! Then God can move!
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”
[ video – The MOST BEAUTIFUL SONG! ] Benny Hester: “When God Ran”
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOPU Student Awakening, 2/17/10
“God can deliver us from everything except an unrepentant heart.
I felt like there’s some in this room tonight,
you need to repent of bitterness.
You’ve allowed a root of bitterness to grow up in you….
Beloved, that bitterness not only defiles your own spirit,
but it defiles many.
The Bible says, the book of Hebrews said:
Do not allow a root of bitterness to grow up
that would defile many
[via James-3 curses – ed.].”
– Wes Hall, IHOP revivalist — good guy!!!
From: News with Views
“The more prominent you are in Christ’s service, the more certain are you to be the butt of calumny [slander]. I have long ago said farewell to my character.
I lost it in the earlier days of my ministry by being a little more zealous than suited a slumbering age. And I have never been able to regain it except in the sight of Him who judges all the earth, and in the hearts of those who love me for my work’s sake.”
– Charles Haddon Spurgeon
From: News with Views
…what the Apostle Paul warned about in Ephesians 6:12. “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Of course, the “rulers of the darkness of this world” are demonic. But it is also an absolute certainty that these demonic forces accomplish their devilish deeds through evil men who are given to “spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Was not the spiritual netherworld complicit in helping to construct Nimrod’s Tower of Babel? Was not spiritual wickedness at work when Pharaoh murdered the little children of the Hebrews? Were not dark principalities at work when Nebuchadnezzar ordered everyone to bow to the image of the Babylonian leader? When the Lord Jesus called Jewish King Herod a “fox,” was not He acknowledging Herod’s complicity with evil? Were not spiritual powers aiding and abetting the Jewish Sanhedrin when they moved the crowd to crucify the Son of God? When the early Church was being persecuted, was not spiritual wickedness at work? When nonconforming Christians were thrown to the lions and sawn asunder, were not their tormentors influenced by these same rulers of darkness? Of course they were!
Then, why is it so difficult for modern Christians–especially our pastors and preachers–to understand that this unholy union of Big Government and Big Religion is as evil and sinful today as it ever was? Why are they unwilling to recognize that the same devilish system that plagued the Church throughout the ages–suspended only temporarily by the successful revolution for American independence–is rearing its ugly head again? Why are they unwilling to believe that many of America’s leaders (from both parties) routinely give themselves to luciferian rituals, such as those annual dances around the fire at the Bohemian Grove? Why is it so hard to believe that we have leaders (from both parties) who have given themselves to dark, secret societies, such as Skull and Bones? Why are they not suspicious when certain religious schools and institutions repeatedly produce many of the leaders (from both parties) who seem to universally take America down the same path of globalism?
As most Christians should know, The Beast of Revelation is as much a SYSTEM as it is a person. As the Apostle John warned, the “spirit of antichrist . . . even now already is it in the world.” (I John 4:3) He also warned, “Even now are there many antichrists.” (I John 2:18)
Any Big Government/Big Religion system that seeks to bring nations into global unity, enshrine a politically correct theology of universalism, establish Church/State uniformity, and marginalize independent, nonconformist ideology is nothing more than the emergence of another Tower of Babel or Beast-like system! And, dear Christian friend, has it occurred to you that our central government in Washington, D.C., is currently engaged in all of the above?
Both political parties–including most of our national leaders and news media–actively promote globalism; universalism is, without a doubt, the unofficial–but clearly understood–national religion; and anyone who holds nonconformist views (i.e., pro-life, Jesus-only theology, anti-UN, anti-illegal immigration, questioning official government explanations of national tragedies, etc.) is being viciously ridiculed, impugned, and marginalized by virtually everyone in the national press corps and central government. Yes, I am saying it, THE BEAST IS EMERGING IN WASHINGTON, D.C.!
The powers that be in both Big Government and Big Religion want to control both our hearts and our minds. They cannot tolerate dissent. Mind you: they do not care if one is Republican or Democrat, because at the national level, both major parties are marching in the same beastly direction. They do not care if one is conservative or liberal, because the leaders of both camps are, likewise, marching in lockstep to the tune being played by The Beast. They do not care if one is Jewish, Catholic, or Protestant, because at the highest levels, these religions are committing whoredom with The Beast.
If a pastor or preacher is going to be true to his calling today, he must be willing to adopt the philosophy of the late, great Charles Haddon Spurgeon, who said, “The more prominent you are in Christ’s service, the more certain are you to be the butt of calumny [slander]. I have long ago said farewell to my character. I lost it in the earlier days of my ministry by being a little more zealous than suited a slumbering age. And I have never been able to regain it except in the sight of Him who judges all the earth, and in the hearts of those who love me for my work’s sake.”
Any desire for promotion, pleasure, riches, or fame will quickly make one a servant of The Beast. And, I’m afraid, that is exactly what many of today’s pastors and preachers have become.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLZpsepaVcM]Mike Bickle’s open vision about America
Watch the entire message here:
http://video.google.com/vid…
From the Onething 08 conference 12/28/08
I do not receive many dreams from the Lord except for one i remember to this day. I will also share a dream my wife had.
My dream is as follows.
I boarded a jet to the U.S.A.. Around me were many people whom i know and others i do not. Whilst praying in the plane, it began to spin out of control. Instead of staying put, people began to try to escape and were being flung from side to side – I meanwhile sat calmly in my seat.
I looked from the window and could see green grass. It was actually a football field. I sat in my chair watching the ground spin toward me saying “In the name of Jesus i shall live and not die.” Then there were flames everywhere, burning bodies and screams of pain. As the smoke and flames cleared, i saw the wreckage i was sitting amongst, the bodies of others everywhere. Yet, all i could say was ”In the name of Jesus i shall not die but live.” I calmy unbuckled my seatbelt and walked away. At this point i awoke, sweat dripping from me, the bed soaked with sweat.
So thats it, If you have any insight please let me know.
My wife’s dream is as follows.
We were being chased by people with swords, etc., a mob. A man appeared dressed in white, white hair and beard, whose language my wife could not understand. He kept speaking and pointing to a building behind him where many calm people seemed to be standing, and then he ushered us in. We were warmly received, and the mob could not harm us. As we entered the building, shining words formed around the upper section of it in a language she could not understand. Then the white haired man entered with us. At this point my wife awoke.
My wifes other dream is as follows.
A man was trying to keep her in the house ( who he was she does not know ). She escaped the house to find earthquakes and trouble everywhere. She was then with us ( the family ). We were then in a car driving out of the city. All of a sudden we were not in the car but on a large mountain with a few others scattered here and there looking down upon the earth. Everywhere was destruction and plagues, people in pain, the earth looking as if it were being torn apart.
End of dream
Regards
Adrian
I LOVE the IHOPU Student Awakening, but could it be that one hugely false doctrine is keeping this move from becoming the catalyst for the Third Great Awakening — what they are so fervently calling for — what we so desperately need?
It’s God’s heart to come in His manifest presence, but we must be right….
So close and yet so far away from what Hebrews 10:26-39 fully says.
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The entire text follows Allen’s quote
My comments in brackets
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOP Revival, 2/6/10
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The president of IHOPU, Allen Hood, mentions Hebrews 10:29 without stating verse 26 at all, coming to the opposite conclusion that the writer of Hebrews did:
“…there’s that willful disobedience where you have grace as licentiousness, that’s caused you to be presumptuous and over-familiar with the wrong view of the love of God, what we call ‘sloppy grace,’ that doesn’t understand the cost of your sin — that causes you to run quickly to God, but you don’t tremble on the inside. You don’t tremble, understanding that your sin took Jesus to the cross.
You don’t understand that every time you enter into willful disobedience [Hebrews 10:26] you trample overfoot the Son of God [Hebrews 10:29], again and again and again. You don’t tremble on the inside. …
You need to know something. If Jesus in His love doesn’t bear the wrath of God for you, the Bible tells us He will dispense it upon you. But He will not ignore unforgiven sin.
And so I notice that we give altar calls and we call people up, and they get rid of their shame and they don’t change the way they dress. We call people up; they get rid of their shame; they receive the love of God again because He’s so kind! He even received you after you trampled Him again. You received the love of God and then you dressed the same way to put out the signals of the old life you used to live. What’s up with that?
You talk the same way. You give the same signals, as if His love wasn’t so holy and precious — the thousandth time He forgave you. Why do you dress the same way? Why do you talk the same way? And yet you really felt His love. Is it because you really don’t tremble anymore when you run to the altar?
And thus you are forgiven tonight but you’re not clean [This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Hebrews 10:26-39 and many other scriptures clearly say], because you have a fortress of darkness of over-familiarity with God [this over-familiarity is mostly because 99+% of church leaders aren’t teaching the full gospel. They’re omitting key texts. In this case, Allen is teaching the truth about Hebrews 10:29 without even mentioning the clear concept in verse 26].
You have a fortress built up in you, but it’s not shame. It’s actually willful disobedience [for which verse 26 says…].”
– Allen Hood, President of IHOPU
Hebrews 10:26-39
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which will devour the adversaries. 28 A man who disregards Moses’ law [old covenant] dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will he be judged worthy of, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified [new covenant] an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance belongs to me,” says the Lord, “I will repay.” Again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 32 But remember the former days, in which, after you were enlightened, you endured a great struggle with sufferings; 33 partly, being exposed to both reproaches and oppressions; and partly, becoming partakers with those who were treated so. 34 For you both had compassion on me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your possessions, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and an enduring one in the heavens.
35 Therefore don’t throw away your boldness, which has a great reward. 36 For you need endurance so that, having done the will of God, you may receive the promise. 37 “In a very little while, He who comes will come, and will not wait. 38 But the righteous will live by faith. [Rom. 1:17; Gal. 3:11] If he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.” 39 But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the saving of the soul.
Related:
False, revival killing, salvation doctrine at IHOP continues from IHOPU president, Allen Hood at the Awakening meetings 🙁
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? — “There is therefore now *no condemnation* to those who are IN CHRIST Jesus, who don’t WALK according to the flesh, but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.” (contains similar, hardly-ever-preached-but-totally-true New Testament scriptures. OSAS is a lie, and it’s deceiving many!!)
Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
The Low-Cut Top Epidemic: May We Be Holy
Here is an example (if you listen to the audio) of how close (and yet so far away) Mike Bickle (head of IHOP) is to the truth about who goes to heaven
All of my Lust Freedom! posts (in reverse-chronological order)
All of my Who Goes to Heaven posts (in reverse-chronological order)
All of my IHOP posts (in reverse-chronological order)
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from the IHOP Revival, 2/13/10
“Beloved, grace has nothing to do with freedom to sin.
Grace has nothing to do with a fresh start every week so you can continue living the way you lived before.
Grace is the power to be free from sin.
Grace is the power to live clean.
Grace is the power to live holy.
‘What then shall we sin?
By no means!’
Salvation is not about being rescued [from] hell,
it’s about being saved from sin —
to be possessed by God.
Hell was never created for human beings in the first place.
It was for the Devil and his angels.
Beloved, Jesus came to rescue you from sin,
and do you trample on His grace by receiving forgiveness and mercy,
and day after day, you go back like a dog to its vomit?
Where is the evidence of His grace in your life?
It’s not about fire insurance.
It’s about a transformation in the inside.
It’s about being possessed by the Spirit of holiness.
Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.
Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.”
– Wes Hall, IHOPU Provost
Related:
The meaning of “Grace” (χαρις) in the Bible: It’s not what you think?
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
Adrian suggested that we discuss parables. So Adrian, feel free to post your parable as a comment, and then perhaps some of us will respond.
If there is a better way to do this, I’m open to ideas.
jeff
How do the demons get in?
Transcribed by Jeff Fenske
“A movie that was ‘R’ 10 years ago is PG-13 today.”
“We’re getting desensitized and we don’t even know it.”
– Corey Russell, IHOP teacher
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz5ESXr3dKw]Overcoming lust & sexual immorality, by Corey Russell
You can watch the entire video here:
http://video.google.com/vid…
Related:
My Lust Freedom posts
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way
Who are the Children of God?
This song is so amazing that it’s too bad the recording ended up too harsh. It’s this way on the MP3 too. Perhaps they red-lined the meters and it was recorded too hot, so what we’re hearing is ugly, solid-state distortion [tube distortion is much more harmonic].
This song deserves another recording, perhaps a live, extended version!
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHxoaq6wBJ8]
This off of Cory Asbury and Matt Gilman’s CD HOLY. I encourge yall to buy it. It’s available at IHOP (some locations, IHOP-Atlanta for sure), Itunes, the forrunner music website (http://www.forerunnermediagroup.com), or any other online mp3 purchasing locations sites.
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