Jesus prayed we'd be 'ONE' with each other in Him that the world will know! (John 17)

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God: Woe to the pastors who have scattered my sheep…

Very serious! Instead of unity — Jesus’ heart-cry for us — disunity has happened.

Jesus promised He’d give us His glory so we’d be ‘ONE’ with each other in Him. Then the world will know – John 17. But our hearts must be clean.

But we must be right with each other so we will have pure hearts from which we can cry “holy, holy, holy — and the whole Earth is filled with Your glory!”

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Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

– Jeremiah 23:1-2

Related:

‘ONE’ Can Happen Prophecy, Part 5: The Sheep Stealers Rob the Sheep—Hypocrites Cannot Lead

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”

Gleanings From “Be Wise as Serpents” by Fritz Springmeier: Influence of Secret Societies on Seminaries, Denominations and Churches

I took a look through the book that Fritz Springmeier mentioned in the interview with Alex Jones, linked below, entitled, “Be Wise as Serpents.”

Something very dark has clearly has happened to the seminaries and the churches in America. There is so much deception and so many denominations which seem to emphasize everything but the greatest two commandments, that it does seem likely that something methodical and sinister has gone on.

Here is some of the evidence that secret societies, especially the Freemasons (but I saw that Springmeier also mentions the Skull and Bones) put their members in positions of leadership in many of the seminaries and churches.

What we need is a major rethink to get back to what the Bible really says and to what the Holy Spirit is really saying — which most ‘Christian’ professors and pastors will actually discourage.

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Excerpts from: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/BeWiseAsSerpents01.pdf

BE WISE AS SERPENTS

Fritz Springmeier

copyright 1991

Page 319:

The following is list is made up of Freemasons who are in Prominant positions in charge of Christian Seminaries or schools, or are teachers. This is not a complete list, but is given in the hopes it will provide the reader for a feel for how much influence the Masonic lodge has even on Christian education.

Page 324:

The largest of any Protestant denomination in the U.S. are the Southern Baptists. How widespread is Freemasonry in this largest denomination? 40% of the Southern Baptist ministers are Masons.19 Not only are large numbers of Baptist ministers Freemasons, but the various Baptist denominational leaderships are heavily Masonic. Some examples are…

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The Alabama Grand Lodge reported in 1889 that out of its 7,950 Freemasons in the state 483 were Christian ministers.7 The New York Grand Lodge report of 1890 gives us the breakdown of the 703 Christian clergymen that were N.Y. Masonic members: Methodist(288), Episcopalian(146), Baptist(112), Presbyterian(59), Universalist(31), Congregationalist(21), Dutch Reformed(13), Christian(13), Lutheran(11), Jewish(7), Unitarian(l), Reform Jew(1).8

Fritz also talks a lot about Billy Graham, who is allegedly a 33rd degree Freemason. Billy was given prominence in the press and was friends with all of the Presidents except apparently Nixon. Jesus said:

“Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” Luke 6:26

Billy has walked in universal appreciation, largely because he was nice no matter what. He not only wouldn’t confront sin, but he actually made excuses for Bill Clinton’s extramarital affairs, saying that we don’t understand the pressure Bill has as President.

Rev. Graham caused some controversy in 1998, when he seemed too quick to forgive Mr. Clinton just weeks after the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. “I forgive him because I know the frailty of human nature and I know how hard it is,” Graham told NBC’s “Today Show, adding that Clinton “has such a tremendous personality, that I think the ladies just go wild over him.” (source)

And then Billy laughed: “ha, ha, ha.” I’ve have that clip on tape, and wrote about it many years ago in my email list.

But perhaps the key detrimental tradition that Billy made popular was saying a prayer and then coming forward to become Christians. Probably a large percentage of Americans have done that, and I actually do believe that many were truly born-again that way. The problem is that most will then go back to living the way they were, thinking the same thoughts, and won’t be true disciples of Christ. Because Billy’s goal was to get converts, which he called souls. But most of those souls will have their names removed from the Book of Life according to Rev. 3:1-6, unless they truly abide in Christ according to what the Bible really says: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

We need a major rethink to throw out the doctrines of demons introduced by secret society members and others who were not led by the Holy Spirit. This is what I’ve tried to do on this site.

Jeff Fenske

Related:

Fritz Springmeier in Infowars Studio: How the ‘Elite’ are using mind-control to destroy America, which includes the control of churches and seminaries — “A large share of these denominations were created by Freemasons … And Freemasons are running Christian higher education.”

Dave Macpherson, author of “The Rapture Plot”: Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty — John Darby, Edward Irving, Cyrus Scofield, Tim Lahaye, John Walvoord, Jerry Falwell, Chuck Missler, Hal Lindsey, Jack van Impe, Grant Jeffrey …

From: poweredbychrist.com

PRETRIB RAPTURE DISHONESTY

by 

DAVE MACPHERSON

When I began my research in 1970 into the exact beginnings of the pretribulation rapture belief still held by many evangelicals, I assumed that the rapture debate involved only “godly scholars with honest differences.” The paper you are now reading reveals why I gave up that assumption many years ago. With this introduction-of-sorts in mind, let’s take a long look at the pervasive dishonesty throughout the history of the 179-year-old pretrib rapture theory:

[…]

FINALLY: Don’t take my word for any of the above. Read my 300-page book “The Rapture  Plot” which has a jillion more documented details on the long-hidden but now-revealed history of the dishonest, 179-year-old, fringe-British-invented, American-merchandised-until-the-real-bad-stuff-happens pretribulation rapture fad. If this book of mine doesn’t “move” you, I will personally refund what you paid for it.

Entire Article Here

Related:

Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel!

Why There is No Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib Rapture: Jesus will destroy the Lawless One at the same time he is gathering the saints to meet him in the air

12 Reasons NOT To Expect a PRE-Trib Rapture

Dumitru Duduman: The Russian Invasion of America — “It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace.’ Then there will be an internal revolution in America…. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans…” — The rapture will occur AFTER America is destroyed, as God destroys the enemies of Israel!

The Rapture: History and Influence in America — “Christians trade the message of Revelation as a call of discipleship in a fallen world for escapism.”

Corrie Ten Boom: Prepared for the Coming Tribulation

Warmongers Unite: Rapture Ready – The Christians United for Israel Tour with ‘Pastor’ John Hagee

John Hagee – Enforce UN Thought Crimes Law

Preemptive-Striker John Hagee Endorses 100-Years-in-Iraq John McCain

John Hagee: “Jesus Did Not Come To Earth To Be the Messiah”

Pastor Baldwin: Ron Paul’s Israel Problem [Evangelicals Led Astray?]

John Hagee calls for a preemptive strike on Iran

John Hagee: Unrepentant Heretic? — Today, churchgoers stand hand in hand with a Jewish people who would crucify Christ again if He walked their streets.

Alex Jones: The pre-trib rapture doctrine is a big, sickening, psyop, bringing US into tyranny! “Most of you are a bunch of torture loving, war loving people…” — Truthful commentary by a non-pastor

Mike Bickle’s (IHOP) prophetic dream: “What is coming is so much more intense than we imagine.” “We must experience manifestation of His majesty that makes us tremble and His kindness that moves us to repentance and servanthood.” “We will receive angelic assistance and great power…”

After America Went Down Music: Our Demise Theme [Barber: “Adagio for Strings”] / The Demons Rejoice Dance Mix [Dj Tiesto] ||| WWWIII ||| “Once saved always saved” + pre-tribulation rapture + old covenant law tithing + “Support Bush no matter what”/dis the peacemakers and Ron Paul = Doomsday! ||| Where were the Bonhoeffers and therefore the disciples of Christ?!!

Baruch: “Not only is DECEPTION of the church possible, it was PROPHESIED TO HAPPEN!” — Jesus said “IN THE LAST DAYS THE MAJORITY WILL BE DECEIVED, take heed that it doesn’t happen to you” — “FALSE TEACHERS are actually SPEAKING SPELLS with the words of their FALSE DOCTRINES!”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[video] Pastors! You’ve Left Your First Love!

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV3ZCezUkGw]Pastors! You’ve Left Your First Love!

Published on May 18, 2012 by 

A WORD FROM THE LORD TO THE SHEPHERDS:
“The Pastors have left their first love. The Shepherds have departed from the simplicity of their faith and have put their own interests AHEAD of what I want for My people. All their kingdoms built upon the sand (and not the Rock Christ Jesus) WILL crumble.
Everything that CAN be shaken, WILL be shaken.
Everything that is hidden, WILL be revealed.
Jesus is going to reveal the motives of people’s hearts and WHY they are doing WHAT they do.
This will be revealed by FIRE…..the fire will test the hearts of many so what will remain is pure gold.
Many will not pass the test because they love the pleasures of this world MORE than loving God.
The fire will reveal do you love Him MORE than you love yourselves and your own selfish interests?
All will be tested in this fire of affliction…some have already been tried by the fire and have passed the test- these will be hidden in the day of adversity
The fire of the Lord will either consume you or it will burn out all the impurities and dross.
The fire of the Lord will show WHO is of the Lord and who is not.
Return to Jesus Now so that you may be hid in the day of adversity.
Jesus is coming to test the church….WHICH side will you be found on when He comes in the day of His visitation?”

TBN Televangelists Paul and Jan Crouch accused by granddaughter of ballistic love-of-money misappropriation of funds!

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxQGgpIS1aI]3/24/12 TBN TELEVANGELISTS P&J CROUCH ACCUSED

Published on Mar 24, 2012 by 

3/24/12 TBN TELEVANGELISTS P&J CROUCH ACCUSED:
“…Private jets, 13 mansions and
a $100,000 mobile home just
for the dogs: Televangelists
‘defrauded tens of million of
dollars from Christian
network’
By NINA GOLGOWSKI
PUBLISHED: 16:21 EST, 23 March 2012 | UPDATED: 16:22 EST, 23 March 2012 Two former employees of the world’s largest Christian television channel Trinity Broadcasting Network are accusing the non-profit of spending $50 million of its funding on extravagant personal expenses. Among purchases, the network founded by Televangelists Paul and Jan Crouch, is accused of misappropriating its ‘charitable assets’ toward a $50 million jet, 13 mansions and a $100,000-mobile home for Mrs Crouch’s dogs. Their granddaughter, Brittany Koper, 26, recently filed her allegations in court after a brief appointment as the network’s chief finance director in July.”

[video] John MacArthur: Joel Osteen is a New Age Religionist

This is worth listening to.

But what hardly any pastors are teaching, including Osteen and MacArthur, is Jesus’ stated goal for us in John 17. Jesus prayed that we’d be ‘ONE,’ that the world would know.

Jesus said He would give us His GLORY to help us and empower us to be ‘ONE’ in Him and with each other, that the world would know.

Pastors should be teaching the absolute necessity for holiness and RECONCILIATION — right relationships with each other and God — actually abiding in Christ — being led by the Holy Spirit, God Himself — resting — filled with the Holy Spirit.

Then the world will know.

I don’t hear hardly any pastors talking about reconciliation — let alone leading by example — apologizing to those whom they’ve hurt — making sure they are right with everyone.

The time is short. Let’s get our act together before it’s too late. The Third Great Awakening is way overdue.

May we be ‘ONE’!

– Jeff

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcc0PGCvicI]John MacArthur – Joel Osteen is a New Age Religionist

Uploaded by  on Jan 3, 2011

Before anyone complains no I’ve not turned into a Calvinist but many Calvinist’s are good Christians.

Joel Osteen however is not a good Christian Minister. He is nothing more than a feel-good motivational speaker with a thin veneer of Christianity.

In fact as John MacArthur reveals his message is identical with that of Oprah Winfrey’s New Age message of ‘The Secret’ and the ‘Law Of Attraction’.

Related:

Joel Osteen: Homosexuals Get Into Heaven [But ‘Christians’ keep in mind that lusting HETEROsexuals WON’T INHERIT the kingdom either. We must all be holy so we can all be ONE!]

Joel Osteen: Mormons are ‘True Christians’

Are Today’s Pastors Part Sociopath? — “Sociopaths never accept the slightest responsibility for anything that goes wrong, even though they’re responsible for almost everything that goes wrong. You’ll never hear a sincere apology from them.”

“Sociopaths never accept the slightest responsibility
for anything that goes wrong,
even though they’re responsible
for almost everything that goes wrong.

You’ll never hear a sincere apology from them.”

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From: lewrockwell.com

The Ascendence of Sociopaths in US Governance

by Doug Casey

There are seven characteristics I can think of that define a sociopath, although I’m sure the list could be extended.

  1. Sociopaths completely lack a conscience or any capacity for real regret about hurting people. Although they pretend the opposite.
  2. Sociopaths put their own desires and wants on a totally different level from those of other people. Their wants are incommensurate. They truly believe their ends justify their means. Although they pretend the opposite.
  3. Sociopaths consider themselves superior to everyone else, because they aren’t burdened by the emotions and ethics others have – they’re above all that. They’re arrogant. Although they pretend the opposite.
  4. Sociopaths never accept the slightest responsibility for anything that goes wrong, even though they’re responsible for almost everything that goes wrong. You’ll never hear a sincere apology from them.
  5. Sociopaths have a lopsided notion of property rights [tithing – editor]. What’s theirs is theirs, and what’s yours is theirs too. They therefore defend currency inflation and taxation as good things.
  6. Sociopaths usually pick the wrong target to attack. If they lose their wallet, they kick the dog. If 16 Saudis fly planes into buildings, they attack Afghanistan.
  7. Sociopaths traffic in disturbing news, they love to pass on destructive rumors and they’ll falsify information to damage others.

The fact that they’re chronic, extremely convincing and even enthusiastic liars, who often believe their own lies, means they aren’t easy to spot, because normal people naturally assume another person is telling the truth. They rarely have handlebar mustaches or chortle like Snidely Whiplash. Instead, they cultivate a social veneer or a mask of sanity that diverts suspicion. You can rely on them to be “politically correct” in public. How could a congressman or senator who avidly supports charities possibly be a bad guy? They’re expert at using facades to disguise reality, and they feel no guilt about it.

Entire Article Here

Related:

Clive Boddy: Corporate Psychopaths Rule Over Us — The key thing about psychopaths is they’ve got no conscience. If you caught them lying, they wouldn’t be flustered. They come across as almost better than everybody else, and they can make you feel as if you’ve just met your next best friend. By the time that you realize who they really are…

[3-minute video] The Hermeneutics of Language: Few still say “You’re welcome.” | The Benchmark of the Psychopathy: The almost organic inability to look back, to recognize error, hurt, disappointment and pain — an inability to appreciate consequence and to take responsibility for actions of one’s past

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

The Boot-Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!!

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “Let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned.”

The Sheep Stealers Rob the Sheep—Hypocrites Cannot Lead

Leadership: How it is Supposed to Be

Leaders Who Have Hurt People But Refuse to Repent

Failed Churches — Hate that Destroys the Yoke of Unity

Many Curse Others From Their Hurts Deep Within

Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

‘Christian’ Leaders James-3 Cursing People Example: Jesse

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”

Wes Hall to church leaders: “There’s a cry in your heart saying ‘I am not prepared to walk forward another step in dead works and dead religion”

Ron Paul’s Biggest Eye-Opener: ‘Christian’ Evangelicals Pushing Preemptive War in the Name of Spreading Christian ‘Love’

Francis Chan left his 1600 member church to reassess. “There’s a LACK OF PEACE in so many people … WE PRETEND.” “There is this NARROW ROAD … FEW will find it.” “Let’s go back to what THE TRUTH has always been…and has NEVER BEEN POPULAR.”

Francis Frangipane: Beware, It is Easy to Fake Christianity — “The moment we stop obeying God we start faking . . . .” “If our Christianity does not work in this life where we can test it, it is foolhardy to hope it will successfully transport us into eternity . . . if we fail the test, we suffer eternal separation from God.” “Let us re-examine what we have been taught.”

How CLEAN do our Hearts have to be from the Hebrews-12 root of bitterness that defiles many? Where is the place of SAFETY — RESTING, KNOWING for SURE we’re going to heaven? Selah …

[WordPOWER!] In Psalm 50 God Warns: “You have done these things, and I kept silent. You thought that I was just like you. … Now consider this…lest I tear you into pieces and there be none to deliver” (Hell?)

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.


Warmongers Unite: Rapture Ready – The Christians United for Israel Tour with ‘Pastor’ John Hagee

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig]Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour

Max Blumenthal’s latest takes us on a shocking and at times bizarre tour of right-wing Pastor John Hagee’s annual Washington-Israel Summit, blowing the cover off the Christian Zionist movement in the process. Starring Joe Lieberman, Tom DeLay, Pastor John Hagee, Ambassador Dore Gold and a host of rapture-ready evangelicals praying for Armaggedon.

Related:

John Hagee with Benny Hinn: Praying For War in the Name of Jesus — No wonder so many people dislike and loathe ‘Christians’

Defense Secretary Panetta admits Iran NOT developing nukes: “Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No.” — And they call Ron Paul’s foreign policy ‘insane’ while they pressure Iran with sanctions that could cut off all middle east oil!

Congressman Dennis Kucinich: The MEDIA COVERAGE on IRAN is MIRRORING the coverage in the lead-up to the IRAQ war – grand claims about a smoking gun that doesn’t exist

[ audio ] Ray McGovern: CIA/Mossad covert ops thwarted the nuclear safeguard Iran was implementing — Once again, America is creating the best enemies money can buy!

[ audio ] Paul Craig Roberts on The Alex Jones Show 11/09/11: Military Works for the Globalists — “They’re now trying to create more false intelligence like they did about Sadaam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. They’re pulling the same stunts now with Iran.” “The minute we fell for 9/11 we signed our doom.”

Jerome Corsi on Bombing Iran: Through chaos the globalists are creating the world government and Fox News is part of the coverup. Along with war over there will be fighting in the streets here. Some states will secede.

No More Victims: Working for Peace, One Child at a Time

Ron Paul – War Propaganda — “It’s another Iraq coming — It’s war propaganda again. … It’s time we quite this!!!”

[ audio ] Was Jesus Booed In SC? Debate Reaction On The Robert Scott Bell Show 1/17/12

All of my Bomb, Bomb Iran? posts (latest appear first)

[fascinating audio] Jim Marrs on ‘Coast to Coast AM’ 8/30/11: Media Control & Mega Spin! — “The so-called ‘Axis of Evil’ was just about a laundry list of the countries who were balking at the plans of the globalists. And now, they’re one by one being taken over.” — “There’s no journalism anymore … Quit letting the television do your thinking for you.”

Webster Tarpley: The real reason behind U.S. wars — To destroy all nation states that resist the one world government

[real-history video] Alex breaks down the real reason the globalists are getting US to takeover Libya — We’re replacing independent governments that oppose one-world government with Muslim regimes where women will wear burkas – Iraq, Egypt, Libya…

The Real Reason Why Gadaffi Was Killed & Why We’re In Libya — Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold — USA is taking out leaders who oppose the one-world dictatorship!

Alex Jones: Qaddafi is another tyrant the globalists can’t control, so they’re going after him. The globalists are running the whole world and mopping up the final few countries they don’t control. They’re knocking over the old puppets, putting new ones in.

EXCELLENT! Cynthia McKinney: Obama’s So Called Humanitarian Aid to Libya is A Disaster: “The American people are being lied to.” Kadafi was standing in the way of a globalist, Mediterranean states alliance with Europe.

[Why they hate US! video to take the blinders off] The Butcher of Libya, Barack Hussein Obama Calls Murder of Children in Libya a ‘Success’ — To me, Obama’s “recipe for success” looks and sounds like a Libyan child with the lower half of his face blown off (see video) — America has exercised a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good — “All of these crimes are going to be brought back on America ten-fold.”

10 Reasons America Will Be Judged as the Most Brutal Empire in History

[real history video] David Icke: The Rothschild Zionist MainFrame — Truth about the USS Liberty; the other side of the “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran” story — Israel is being jacked just like the USA is!

[2011] Ron Paul’s Statement of Faith

All Ron Paul CNN Foreign Policy Debate Highlights — “I think we should practice A POLICY OF GOOD WILL to other people. What about saying that we don’t do anything to any other country that we don’t have them do to us?

Ron Paul: Christian Just War Theory — “Evidently, I have been reading a different Bible. I remember something about ‘Blessed are the Peacemakers’”

Ron Paul on Evangelical Christians Expected to Be Pro-War All the Time

Ron Paul on what precedes LIBERTY: Life “and I mean all LIFE!”

Ron Paul: “Fascism Comes Wrapped In A Flag, Carrying A Cross”

Ron Paul: Jesus is the Prince of PEACE, Not Preemptive War

Thanksgiving Family Forum: Ron Paul Highlights — “The time when I made my commitment to Christ”

[Daily Paul comment] The real reason evangelical ‘Christians’ won’t support Ron Paul — “the so called evangelical right wing’s incredible and insatiable lust for war. War is not a family value. War is certainly not a Christian value. … Christ’s views on love and peace and so forth are pretty clearly spelled out. … Many professing Christians will be numbered with the goats on judgement day.”

Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Rick Perry: We Don’t Need Another George W. Bush — If James Dobson and John Hagee were truly interested in protecting and preserving the principles enshrined in our Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and US Constitution, they would be promoting the candidacy of Ron Paul!

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Why Do Evangelicals Ignore Ron Paul? | My Opinion

Sarah Palin demonstrates why most evangelicals dissed Ron Paul, who wanted to bring the troops home. ‘Christians’ have two sets of books: one for US and one for THEM (“who don’t deserve rights”). THEY’re not our ‘neighbor’ whom Jesus commanded US to love as much as ourselves. Maybe that’s why most evangelicals refuse to investigate 9/11. If THEY didn’t take down the towers…???

Ron Paul’s Christlike Attitude: Love, Peace & Hope – No *Initiation* of Aggression!

[Repentance from Power-OVER music video] Golden State: Bombs (End This War/The Ron Paul Song) — “It’s not impossible that we can end this war / Just let your heart explode / It’s not to late for a miracle! — No more lying; No more sighing; I’m still trying, Arms wide open!” | Lets’ be real Christians — “Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS, for they shall be called CHILDREN OF GOD” – Jesus


(vid) John Hagee with Benny Hinn: Praying For War in the Name of Jesus — No wonder so many people dislike and loathe ‘Christians’

Over 40,000,000 American Christians are influenced by what we call, “Angry Evangelicalism,” better known as Christian Zionism.

Christian Zionists like John Hagee and Benny Hinn wear a mantle of righteousness but often ignore the teachings of Jesus and invoke their will in the name of Jesus, ignoring declarations of Christ like…“Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God, ” “Love your neighbor as yourself and, even “Love your enemy.”

No wonder so many people dislike and loathe Christians.

Our question to any person calling himself a follower of Christ is: “Who Would Jesus Bomb?”

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Hagee claimed copyright violation to remove all of the video clips of him praying for war, but We Hold These Truths were able to post this version:

WATCH HERE

John Hagee with Benny Hinn: Praying For War in the Name of Jesus

From: youtube.com/watch?v=U4dl91wuHKY

Uploaded by on Jan 2, 2012

Over 40,000,000 American Christians are influenced by what we call, “Angry Evangelicalism,” better known as Christian Zionism. Christian Zionists like John Hagee and Benny Hinn wear a mantle of righteousness but often ignore the teachings of Jesus and invoke their will in the name of Jesus, ignoring declarations of Christ like…”Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God, ” “Love your neighbor as yourself” and, even “Love your enemy.” No wonder so many people dislike and loathe Christians. This 4 minute video provides a snapshot of the problem and illustrates one way to challenge those Christians who, for example, fervently believe that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and are even willing to go to war against a country like Iran to protect Israel. Our question to any person calling himself a follower of Christ is: “Who Would Jesus Bomb?”

Be sure to visit the WHTT website: http://whtt.org and podcast site for thought provoking programs: http://whtt.podbean.com/

Just to prove to you that things have not changed much in over a hundred years, watch the video production of Mark Twain’s “War Prayer” at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYIRbmxHpc The background music for this video is the title track from Rich Siegel’s latest album, “The Way To Peace.”

Rich has held a vigil for We Hold These Truths at a Christian Zionist church in New Jersey (see: http://whtt.org/straitgate/index.php?news=2&id=258 ) and continues to work for freedom and justice for Palestinians in Israel. Check out his website: http://richsiegel.com/

Related:

(video) Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy — The ‘Angry’ Evangelicals – Praying for War instead of “Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God” – Jesus

Gandhi: “I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Hating, unforgiving, James-3 cursing, Biblically disqualified MARTIN LUTHER: “When I die, I WANT TO BE A GHOST…So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until that they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had before with a thousand living ones.”

Source: pbs.org/empires/martinluther/about_relu.html

“When I die, I want to be a ghost…So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until that they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had before with a thousand living ones.”

– Martin Luther

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Source: archive.org/stream/grisarsluther04grisuoft/grisarsluther04grisuoft_djvu.txt

NIHIL OBSTAT

C. SCHUT, D.D.,

Censor Deputatus.

IMPRIMATUR

EDM. CAN. SURMONT,

Vic. Gen.
Westmonasterii, die 23 Novembris, 1914-

LUTHER

BY

HARTMANN GRISAR, SJ.

PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF INNSBRUCK

AUTHORISED TRANSLATION FROM THE GERMAN BY

E. M. LAMOND

EDITED BY

LUIGI CAPPADELTA

VOLUME IV

LONDON
KEGAN PAUL, TRENCH, TRUBNER & CO, LTD.

BROADWAY HOUSE, 68-74 CARTER LANE, E.G.
1915

[…]

In his tract of 1531 against Duke George he boasted,
that people would in future say, that “his mouth was
full of angry words, vituperation and curses on the Papists” ;
that “he intended to go down to his grave cursing and
abusing the miscreants” j 1 that as long as breath remained
in him he would “pursue them to their grave with his
thunders and lightnings” ; 2 again, he says he will take
refuge in his maledictory prayer against the Papists in order
to “kindle righteous hatred in his heart,” and even expounds
and recommends this prayer in mockery to his opponent 3
in all this we detect an abnormal feature which characterises
his life and temper. This abnormity is apparent not only
in the intense seriousness with which he utters the most
outrageous things, more befitting a madman than a reason
able being, but also at times in the very satires to which he
has recourse. That the Papacy would have still more to
suffer from him after he was dead, is a prophecy on which
he is ever harping : “When I die,” he remarks, “I shall
turn into a spirit that will so plague the bishops, parsons
and godless monks, that one dead Luther will give them
more trouble than a thousand living Luthers.” 4

No theological simile is too strange for him in this morbid
state of mind and feeling. As in the case of those obsessed
by a fixed idea the delusion is ever obtruding itself under
every possible shape, so, in a similar way, every thought, all

1 ” Werke,” Weim. ed., 30, 3, p. 470; Erl. ed., 25 2 , p. 127. 2 Ibid.

3 Ibid. See above, p. 208. Cp. Cordatus, ” Tagebuch,” p. Ill :
” Quandofrigeo in corde . . . oppono contra me impictatem papce,” etc.;
” Werke,” Erl. ed., 60, p. 107 f. ; ” Colloq.,” ed. Bindseil, 2, p. 294.

4 Schlaginhaufen, ” Aufzeichnungen,” p. 74.

Related

Martin Luther Cursed from His Heart Catholic Leaders, ‘Every Day’

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: By their Fruits You Will Know Them — Martin Luther was a false teacher, a racist, a persecutor and a murderer! John Calvin was a false teacher, a deranged tyrant, a persecutor and a murderer!

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

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Martin Luther actually ended up being crazy;
though, his false-salvation doctrine is taught by most pastors today.
…destroyed by his own doctrine,
which is destroying US.

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Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

Reverse-Christian LUTHER: “To Kill a Peasant is Not Murder… Crush them! Cut their throats! … To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog! If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can: stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” • “Like the mules who will not move unless you perpetually whip them with rods, so the civil powers must drive the common people. Whip, choke, hang, burn, behead and torture them, that they may learn to fear the powers that be”

LUTHER: ‘Heretics’ Should Be Executed — Melanchthon drafted a memorandum demanding death for ALL ANABAPTISTS and Luther signed it!

All of my Luther Didn’t Get It posts (Latest appear first)

[video] Creflo Dollar: “Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3BWAmlXis]“Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”–Creflo Dollar

Uploaded by on Jan 12, 2010

Prosperity teachers are getting bolder and bolder these days.

Related:

The Day that Tithing Ended — To Now Be Led By the Holy Spirit

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine

Russell Earl Kelly, Ph.D.: Where in the Bible Were Tithes Abolished?

Russell Kelly: REASONS TO OPPOSE N.T. TITHING

Russell Kelly: TITHERS’ MATTHEW 5:17 PROBLEM

Many Pastors Still Teach Old Covenant, Pre-Pentecost Tithing—Not Spirit-Led Giving

Tithing or the Carriage Driver? [From the Let Us Be ONE prophecy]

David Bercot CD teaching: What The Early Christians Believed About Tithing and Fasting? “You might be surprised to know…”

Teaching tithing keeps the little (and the big) children from coming to Jesus where they can have life!

[3-minute video] The Hermeneutics of Language: Few still say “You’re welcome.” | The Benchmark of the Psychopathy: The almost organic inability to look back, to recognize error, hurt, disappointment and pain — an inability to appreciate consequence and to take responsibility for actions of one’s past

This reminds me of:

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.”

I know a church leader who did this very thing publicly before the entire congregation, and twenty-some years later he still hasn’t gotten right with many people he hurt.

Related:

Clive Boddy: Corporate Psychopaths Rule Over Us — The key thing about psychopaths is they’ve got no conscience. If you caught them lying, they wouldn’t be flustered. They come across as almost better than everybody else, and they can make you feel as if you’ve just met your next best friend. By the time that you realize who they really are…

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“An inability to appreciate consequence
and to take responsibility for actions of one’s past,
which happens to be the hallmark of the psychopath,
who only can live in the present.

The almost organic inability to look back,
to recognize error, hurt, disappointment and pain,
the benchmark of psychopathy.”

– Lionel

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

Good, but can anyone explain Lionel’s meeting-in-the-street analogy?[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Pnad14ofk]The Hermeneutics of Language

Uploaded by on Dec 9, 2011

LIONEL
NY’s PIX 11 News Commentary
Aired: December 11, 2011

Lionel dissects three idiosyncrasies of our mother tongue that are worthy of discussion and analysis.

Also Related:

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[video] Clive Boddy: Corporate Psychopaths Rule Over Us — The key thing about psychopaths is they’ve got no conscience. If you caught them lying, they wouldn’t be flustered. They come across as almost better than everybody else, and they can make you feel as if you’ve just met your next best friend. By the time that you realize who they really are…

Could this be at least partially true among pastors, who get people to follow them though they, themselves aren’t clean, and haven’t gotten right with those they’ve hurt, so they can be free, so they can lead (if they’re even supposed to).

And they don’t seem to have any fear of the consequences; even though, James guarantees them a stricter judgment.

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. (James 3:1)

Related:

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

[3-minute video] The Hermeneutics of Language: Few still say “You’re welcome.” | The Benchmark of the Psychopathy: The almost organic inability to look back, to recognize error, hurt, disappointment and pain — an inability to appreciate consequence and to take responsibility for actions of one’s past

jeff

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The key thing about psychopaths is to realize they’ve got absolutely no conscience. And therefore there isn’t a good side of them to appeal to; there isn’t a moral side of them to appeal to. They’ll do whatever it takes to get what they want. They’re totally ruthless, totally without emotion, totally self-centered.”

“Because they have a relative lack of emotion they have a relative lack of fear. For example, if you caught them lying, they wouldn’t be flustered or bothered by it. They’d just carry on with another lie that covers up the first one. Whereas you or I would be embarrassed, and stumble over our words, and things like that.”

“…the key thing about them is when you meet them, they come across as almost better than everybody else: more charming, more sophisticated, more presentable. And so they make you feel as if you’ve just met your next best friend. And therefore, they weedle their way into your lives. And by the time that you realize who they really are the destruction has already been done.”

– Clive Boddy

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj1pGtlXxoo]Clive Boddy: Corporate Psychopaths Rule Over Us – Infowars Nightly News 1/2

Uploaded by on Nov 28, 2011

CLIVE BODDY has been studying the effects of Corporate Psychopaths as experienced by hundreds of managers over the past five years. This has included collecting information on the perceived levels of incidence of experiencing Corporate Psychopaths, collecting reports of critical incidents involving potential Corporate Psychopaths and more recently, collecting data on the effects of Corporate Psychopaths on organisational outcomes.

Prior to this he was previously a main board director and one of seven founder directors of a pan-regional, Asia-Pacific marketing services (market research) company which sold to a marketing conglomerate in 2002 for a reported US$80m. Subsequent to that he became an Associate Professor in Marketing at a large UK University and now holds two UK Visiting Professorships, in Marketing and Marketing Research respectively. He is a Chartered Marketer and a Fellow of the Chartered Institute of Marketing, a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Management and a Fellow of the Association of Tertiary Education Managers.
http://us.macmillan.com/author/cliveboddy
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_pY3QNP2hU]

[Pastors are Responsible] “When preachers do not call sin, sin, the people begin to wink at sin!”

From: Andrew Strom

“When preachers do not call sin, sin,
the people begin to wink at sin!”

– Dr. Micheal Useph

Related:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[video] Fear Of God Has Been Lost In The Church — So MANY WON’T COME INTO FREEDOM — “Oh, so MANY people are GOING to go TO HELL through these churches. These PASTORS WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE” – David Wilkerson

“A reverent fear of God which brings freedom. And it’s because many ‘Christians’ do not have that reverent fear of God they don’t come into freedom.”

– Zac Poonen [correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not familiar with this speaker]

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“There’s no fear of God left in the land. This is what the Bible says: ‘Fear the Lord and depart from evil. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.’ By mercy and truth, iniquity is purged, and by the fear of the Lord men depart from their evil.”

“Oh, so many people are going to go to Hell through these churches. They’re going to go to Hell. These pastors will be held responsible.”

“I’m telling you now what I believe the Holy Spirit is saying, ‘It’s time to get right with God.'”

— David Wilkerson

* * *

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJVbFC9ODZI]Fear Of God Has Been Lost In The Church (Compilation)

Uploaded by on Oct 21, 2011

Related:

Julie Meyer’s Dream: The FEAR OF THE LORD is coming ‘into’ His House — I was reminded of Exodus 20:20: “…that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.” | With great anticipation I began MY JOURNEY. … Not every one was allowed to walk up this Great Mountain. Only those with clean hands and a pure heart. … There are NO SHORT CUTS and there are NO OTHER PATHS. … Finally as we ascended to the very top…

Nicky Cruz: David Wilkerson ‘Never Lost His Heart’ — “I almost killed him then because I really was totally full of hate. That was when he told me that Jesus loved me.”

How Many Will Be in Heaven? How Many Find the WAY? Only 1 in 40 — 2.5%!?!!

[Q&A] Francis Chan on Rob Bell and Hell: Why ‘ERASING HELL’ was Francis’ most difficult book and how it prompted him to repent for softening Jesus’ warnings — “WE IN AMERICA READ CERTAIN PASSAGES OVER AND OVER TO THE NEGLECT OF OTHERS, we start to believe that Jesus had a friendly tone all the time. … We have tried to block Hell out of our minds. Yet because it’s written about so often in Scripture, I think God does want it on the forefront.”

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[Just another lying pastor — It’s getting to be an epidemic!] Video: HERMAN CAIN LIES TO RON PAUL’S FACE About the Federal Reserve at GOP Debate (and the people laugh!)

Cain is an associate minister at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta, which he joined at the age of 10.[47] (Wikipedia)

Herman Cain served as the Deputy Chairman (1992-1994) and Chairman (1995-1996) of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. (from below)

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tUdkj80cA]Herman Cain Lies to Ron Paul’s Face About the Federal Reserve at GOP Debate

Uploaded by on Oct 11, 2011

Bloomberg.
Aired October 11, 2011.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q18jMzTWJ9A]Herman Cain: Federal Reserve Audit Unnecessary

Uploaded by on Oct 10, 2011

In July 2011, a partial audit of the Federal Reserve as authorized by Congress revealed an unprecedented $16.1 trillion in unreported loans to U.S. financial institutions and foreign financial institutions.

On December 29, 2010, Herman Cain flatly denied the need for a Federal Reserve audit.

Herman Cain served as the Deputy Chairman (1992-1994) and Chairman (1995-1996) of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

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From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/ron-paul-herman-cain-fed-audit-gop-debate_n_1006228.html

Ron Paul Calls Out Herman Cain For Lie Over Fed Audit During GOP Debate

At the GOP Bloomberg/Washington Post debate Tuesday night, Ron Paul, the longest-serving advocate of a Fed audit in Congress, asked Herman Cain, a former director of the Kansas City Fed, why he opposed an audit of the central bank, and why he called advocates of such an audit ignorant.

“Mr. Cain, in the past you have been rather critical of any of us who would want to audit the Fed. You have said — you’ve used pretty strong terms, that we were ignorant and that we didn’t know what we are doing, and therefore, there was no need for an audit anyway, because if you had one, you’re not going to find out anything, because everybody knows everything about the Fed,” Paul said.

“But now that we have found and we have gotten an audit, we have found out an awful lot on how special businesses get bailed out — Wall Street, the banks, and special companies, foreign governments. And you said that you advise those of us who were concerned, and you belittled — you say call up the Federal Reserve and just ask them. … Do you still stick by this, that that this is frivolous, or do you think it’s very important? Sixty-four percent of the American people want a full audit of the Fed on a regular basis.”

Cain said that, in fact, he didn’t oppose an audit, and that when he served on the Fed it was a different institution. “You have misquoted me. I did not call you or any of your people ignorant. I don’t know where that came from,” he said. “You’ve gotta be careful of the stuff you get off the Internet.”

A careful check of the Internet, however — guided by the Paul campaign — turns up audio of Cain saying just what Paul accused him of saying. As recently as 2010, long after the Fed began engaging in the lending Cain says he opposed, Cain belittled those calling for an audit.

“Some people say that we ought to audit the Fed. Here’s what I do know. The Federal Reserve already has so many internal audits it’s ridiculous. I don’t know why people think we’re gonna learn this great amount of information by auditing the Federal Reserve. I think a lot of people are calling for this audit of the Federal Reserve because they don’t know enough about it. There’s no hidden secrets going on in the Federal Reserve to my knowledge,” he said.

Related:
Michelle Bachmann on Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan: “When you take the 9-9-9 plan and you turn it upside down, I think the devil’s in the details” — 6-6-6

Former ‘Fed’ chairman, pro-war-and-torture Herman Cain calls peacemaker and ‘audit the Fed’ Ron Paul “A grumpy old man” on Leno!

Tom Woods: The Trouble with Herman Cain

Alex Jones on HERMAN CAIN: pro-PATRIOT ACT; formerly worked for the FEDERAL RESERVE; pro-TORTURE; pro-national SALES TAX, and by the way, now he’s announced they’re going to keep the INCOME TAX as well — & — more reasons why people who support RICK PERRY don’t have a clue! RON PAUL is the only FREEDOM FIGHTER!

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

[WordPOWER] Jesus: Where ‘all liars’ go (pastors included) — Revelation 21:8

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

[Reverse-Revival Audio] Yikes, Mike! NPR’s Fresh Air: Mike Bickle an organizer of Rick Perry’s prayer rally — No wonder why no one cries out for ‘Christians’ to repent from reverse-Christian warmongering in the IHOP prayer room

No wonder WHY REVIVAL TARIES.

Instead of getting right with those we’ve hurt
(a theme mysteriously missing from the IHOP Awakening),
the ‘church’ is just going to hurt more.

With Ron Paul as an example,
the ‘church’ still refuses to repent.

I don’t want any part of this!

God is not mocked:
What we sow we shall reap —

Ushering in the wrong kingdom.

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I really didn’t want to have another Yikes, Mike! moment. Shocked, I previously wrote: Mike Bickle, Head of IHOP: From Porn to Worship “Within the Minute?” Yikes, Mike!

I have demonstrated many times on this site that I have been a BIG FAN of Mike Bickle, founder of International House of Prayer (IHOP). His ambition to please God and do what is right is obvious, but it’s so sad to see him actually supporting the antichrist system. Rick Perry is the establishment’s choice for a reason. See my Rick Perry posts under the Rick Perry category at ToBeFree (also linked below).

It’s good to hear the news from the liberal side sometimes, in this case, NPR. Some of my thoughts:

First, I totally believe in spiritual warfare, especially when we are praying perfectly in our prayer languages to fight demons directly. But even the word dominionism doesn’t sit right with me, especially when I know it translates into the now endless preemptive wars that are mainly to take out countries that would oppose Satan’s one-world government. This isn’t just about power over demons, it’s power over people, and Rick Perry is their man?!!!

The true Christian peacemaker, Ron Paul is left to sit on the sidelines. This is exactly the reason America will not recover — the pastors are leading the sheep astray!

I was really disappointed to hear that Mike Bickle is actively supporting Rick Perry, whose Christianity is beyond just suspect [see my Rick Perry links below]. This is pretty serious! “Christian” Rick Perry is almost certainly a wolf in sheep’s clothing who will destroy this country just like “Christian,” Skull and Bonesman George W. Bush did [proof is in The Bush Family category at ToBeFree, linked below].

Christians, especially Christian leaders are supposed to be “wise as serpents and harmless as doves,” but it seems like too many evangelicals are not learning from history or doing their homework — nor are they being Bible and Holy Spirit led. The establishment (the globalists) will only support candidates they can control, and Rick Perry appears to be their number 1 Republican pick.

No wonder why I’ve never heard anyone crying out for ‘Christians’ to repent from their warmongering in the IHOP (International House of Prayer – Mike Bickle head) prayer room. All of these prayers about abortion (who all go to heaven), but once they’re out of the womb…, smash ’em — ‘Christians’ sending many straight to Hell!!

So much for “Blessed are the peacemakers….” I wrote recently:

If the peacemakers are blessed
(Blessed are the peacemakers – Jesus),
and most of today’s ‘Christians’ aren’t peacemakers:

both the ‘Christians’ and America can’t be blessed …
and have only themselves to blame when America goes down.

This is fundamental!

Jeff Fenske

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From: NPR

The Evangelicals Engaged In Spiritual Warfare

August 24, 2011

An emerging Christian movement that seeks to take dominion over politics, business and culture in preparation for the end times and the return of Jesus, is becoming more of a presence in American politics. The leaders are considered apostles and prophets, gifted by God for this role.

The international “apostolic and prophetic” movement has been dubbed by its leading American architect, C. Peter Wagner, as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

[…]

“They teach quite literally that these ‘mountains’ have fallen under the control of demonic influences in society,” says Tabachnick. “And therefore, they must reclaim them for God in order to bring about the kingdom of God on Earth. … The apostles teach what’s called ‘strategic level spiritual warfare’ [because they believe that the] reason why there is sin and corruption and poverty on the Earth is because the Earth is controlled by a hierarchy of demons under the authority of Satan. So they teach not just evangelizing souls one by one, as we’re accustomed to hearing about. They teach that they will go into a geographic region or a people group and conduct spiritual-warfare activities in order to remove the demons from the entire population. This is what they’re doing that’s quite fundamentally different than other evangelical groups.”

Rick Perry’s Rally

The organizers of Perry’s rally were from ministries founded by two apostles/prophets of the movement — The Call, and the International House of Prayer founded by Mike Bickle. Bickle, who led part of Perry’s event, has claimed that Oprah Winfrey is a precursor of the Antichrist, and Engle has claimed that gay people are controlled by “demonic spirits.” Both have served on the Council of Prophetic Elders initiated by Wagner.

Listen to interview/Read story here

Related:

Andrew Strom: “USA POLITICS, RICK PERRY & the N.A.R” — Conservative Christians are trying to solve “SPIRITUAL” PROBLEMS with Politics — REVIVALS in America have always brought about the cleansing of the nation – NOT POLITICS !!! — Why do US Christians support WAR? I have never seen such confusion over patriotism and NATIONALISM being EQUATED with “CHRISTIANITY.”

Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Rick Perry: We Don’t Need Another George W. Bush — If James Dobson and John Hagee were truly interested in protecting and preserving the principles enshrined in our Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and US Constitution, they would be promoting the candidacy of Ron Paul!

[The heart of the matter] Pastor Chuck Baldwin: ARE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WARMONGERERS? — The disciples of our Lord were called “Christians” first by the Gentiles of Antioch, because of the manner in which the disciples reminded them of Christ’s nature and teachings. Will the word “Christians” now be used as a curse-word to describe those who facilitated the ruination of our country?

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified — an elder cannot be a striker

President Bush — “Bad Fruits versus Good Fruits” List

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Why Do Evangelicals Ignore Ron Paul? | My Opinion

Reverse-Christian George W. Bush: ‘D___ right’ I personally ordered waterboarding — When will evangelicals admit they were wrong, voting for this known Skull and Bonesman for even his 2nd term?

More Proof: Skull and Bonesman President George W. Bush is a Reverse-Christian

Pastor Baldwin: The Religious Right is AWOL From the Real War

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: “I would rather vote for an UNBELIEVER WHO WOULD preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution, than vote for a BELIEVER WHO WOULD NOT…. If our public servants do not submit themselves to the Constitution to which they swore an oath before God and men, they are liars and frauds and should be treated as such!”

All of my Rick Perry posts in reverse chronological order at ToBeFree

All of my Real Reason for U.S. Wars = NWO! posts in reverse chronological order at ToBeFree

All of my George Bush Family posts in reverse chronological order at ToBeFree

All of my Republicans Blackmailable posts in reverse chronological order at ToBeFree

[Disqualified church leaders] Narcissists rise to the top because people mistake their confidence and authority for leadership qualities: Leaders with the largest egos had the most negative effect on their group’s overall performance. They were too self-centered to listen to their colleagues. Those who love themselves are too focused on themselves to allow others to shine…

From: Daily Mail

Narcissists rise to the top because people mistake their confidence and authority for leadership qualities

They may be charming, confident and climb the job ladder with ease, but when they reach the top, narcissists are actually not very good at their roles.

Such people are often too self-obsessed to do their jobs properly, according to a study.

Those who love themselves and have vast self-confidence often impress others with their self-belief, dominance and authority, leading them to climb the career ladder effortlessly.

However, scientists have discovered that while narcissists are convincing leaders, they are so consumed by their own brilliance that it actually cripples their creativity and often causes them to make bad decisions.

They like to squirrel away information from their colleagues and are too focused on themselves to allow others to shine in the workplace, researchers said.

It also prevents proper interaction with colleagues who often vastly overestimate the ability of their overconfident bosses.

Scientists at the University of Amsterdam proved their theory by conducting an experiment involving 150 people, split into groups of three.

Entire Article Here

[15 second video] Leonard Ravenhill: “Puppets In Our Pulpits”

“Do you know why we have so many Pygmies [spiritually stunted people] in our pews?
Because we have so many puppets in our pulpits.

If Jesus came back He wouldn’t cleanse the temple,
He’d cleanse the pulpit.”

– Leonard Ravenhill

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U7276IANVE]“Puppets In Our Pulpits” – Leonard Ravenhill

Ron Paul: Christian Just War Theory — “Evidently, I have been reading a different Bible. I remember something about ‘Blessed are the Peacemakers'”

Many related links, below.

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“Some of the strongest supporters of the war declare that we are a Christian nation, yet use their religious beliefs to justify the war. They claim it is our Christian duty to remake the middle east and attack the Muslim infidels.

Evidently, I have been reading a different Bible. I remember something about ‘Blessed are the Peacemakers.'”

– Congressman Ron Paul, freedom fighter!

Ron Paul: Christian Just War Theory

Uploaded by on Apr 5, 2009

Ron Paul explains the just war theory of Christianity.

The Revolution continues…

http://www.campaignforliberty.com

Related:

Rand Paul: Some ‘Christians’ are “Too Eager for War” — “Jesus stood up in a different sort of way … ‘Blessed are the peacemakers’ not ‘blessed are the war-makers’”

Ron Paul’s Biggest Eye-Opener: ‘Christian’ Evangelicals Pushing Preemptive War in the Name of Spreading Christian ‘Love’

(video) Ron Paul Booed by Reverse-Christian Debate Audience for Endorsing the Golden Rule

EVANGELICALS’ LEGACY: Biggest WARMONGERS! – 2005-6 Gallup Poll: Protestants and Frequent Churchgoers Most Supportive of Iraq War — Least supportive are non-Christians and people with no religion

(audio/video) Was Jesus Booed In SC? Debate Reaction On The Robert Scott Bell Show 1/17/12 | Ron Paul Booed by ‘Christian’ Conservatives for Endorsing the Golden Rule

Ron Paul’s Christlike Attitude: Love, Peace & Hope – No *Initiation* of Aggression!

[2011] Ron Paul’s Statement of Faith

‘Just War’ Doctrine Abandoned in America — U.S. Foreign Policy Now Reverse-Christian

Just War and the Iran Crisis

Three Questions for Memorial Day: (1) Can we remember without attributing reasons for war that aren’t in fact the real reasons? (2) Can we remember the innocent victims of war even as we remember those who died while fighting? (3) Can we remember without the “us versus them” factor? — Perhaps if all who died were commemorated…

Chuck Baldwin: Why Do Evangelicals Ignore Ron Paul? | My Opinion

Chuck Baldwin: What Does John Hagee Really Want? — “These WARMONGERING EVANGELICALS beat the war drums; they encourage the young men from their churches to go off and fight these ‘holy’ wars; they WORK TIRELESSLY TO ELECT PRO-WAR POLITICIANS…. Then, the politicians … send the US military to invade, bomb, and KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people, the vast majority of whom are innocent people. … ANIMOSITY against the United States is GROWING EXPONENTIALLY; in an effort to keep our country at war, our ECONOMY is being overburdened and overtaxed TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN; in the name of the “War on Terror,” America is on the verge of becoming a giant POLICE STATE; we are INCITING CHINA AND RUSSIA INTO NUCLEAR WAR; and America’s military VETERANS are KILLING THEMSELVES more frequently than are enemy bullets”

Ron Paul: “I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin” & “the most difficult group to recruit has been the evangelicals who supported McCain and his pro-war positions”

The Amazing Ron Paul: Bribe Money — “Wars should not be covert or casual. We absolutely should not be paying off leaders of a country while killing their civilians…. This is not what America is supposed to be about.”

Pat Buchanan: “On foreign policy … Ron Paul and Sarah Palin are on opposite sides completely.” What would Jesus do?

Sarah Palin demonstrates why most evangelicals dissed Ron Paul, who wanted to bring the troops home. ‘Christians’ have two sets of books: one for US and one for THEM (“who don’t deserve rights”). THEY’re not our ‘neighbor’ whom Jesus commanded US to love as much as ourselves. Maybe that’s why most evangelicals refuse to investigate 9/11. If THEY didn’t take down the towers…???

Ron Paul on Evangelical Christians Expected to Be Pro-War All the Time

Ron Paul on what precedes LIBERTY: Life “and I mean all LIFE!”

Ron Paul: “Fascism Comes Wrapped In A Flag, Carrying A Cross”

Ron Paul: Jesus is the Prince of PEACE, Not Preemptive War

Ron Paul’s Christlike Attitude: Love, Peace & Hope – No *Initiation* of Aggression!

Ron Paul Speaks To The Right To Life Foundation

Ron Paul at the Faith & Freedom Coalition Conference: “Life does begin at conception.” — We would like to think all we have to do is elect the right politicians and everything is going to be okay. But the government is a reflection of the people. The people change before the laws change. Morality has a lot to do with legislation.

Lew Rockwell: The Enemy is in Washington. That’s why RON PAUL runs NOT FOR GLORY, not for POWER, not for CONTROL. He runs to dismantle the aperatus in Washington. He wants to stop the war, stop the Fed’s counterfeiting, stop the rip-offs for the big bank, the big corporation, and for Big Pharma.” | CAN RON PAUL WIN? CAN THE ‘CHRISTIANS’ put their DESIRE FOR BLOOD below their desire to have some kind of standard of living…?

“Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS” Ron Paul: Well meaning church people are keeping the “war on drugs” [the war against the CIA’s competition] going, which helps finance the dark side of our government — our own demise!

Vote For Peace – Ron Paul 2012 — “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God” – Jesus

[Repentance from Power-OVER music video] Golden State: Bombs (End This War/The Ron Paul Song) — “It’s not impossible that we can end this war / Just let your heart explode / It’s not to late for a miracle! — No more lying; No more sighing; I’m still trying, Arms wide open!” | Lets’ be real Christians — “Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS, for they shall be called CHILDREN OF GOD” – Jesus

[Daily Paul comment] The real reason evangelical ‘Christians’ won’t support Ron Paul — “the so called evangelical right wing’s incredible and insatiable lust for war. War is not a family value. War is certainly not a Christian value. … Christ’s views on love and peace and so forth are pretty clearly spelled out. … Many professing Christians will be numbered with the goats on judgement day.”

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Sean Stone (Oliver Stone’s son): Should the United States Bomb Iran? Sean Stone returns from Iran — ATTACKING IRAN COULD MAKE THINGS WORSE for ISRAEL!” href=”http://tobefree.press/2012/03/24/video-sean-stone-oliver-stones-son-should-the-united-states-bomb-iran-sean-stone-returns-from-iran-to-discuss/” rel=”bookmark”>

Sean Stone (Oliver Stone’s son): Should the United States Bomb Iran? Sean Stone returns from Iran — ATTACKING IRAN COULD MAKE THINGS WORSE for ISRAEL!

[Video] 60 Minutes: Meir Dagan, former Israeli CHIEF of MOSSAD tells Lesley Stahl that an AIRSTRIKE anytime soon AGAINST IRAN is premature and COULD LEAD TO *DISASTER*!

Greg Boyd: In the kingdom of God, we are not allowed to have any enemies. All body-bags are equally tragic.

Sarah Palin: U.S. Troops in Iraq Doing God’s Will — “A Task that is From God”

Can Sarah Palin be a real, going-to-heaven Christian?

What is Anchorage’s new statue sitting there thinking? “Why does Alaska still support Sarah Palin, the OPPOSITE OF RON PAUL on foreign interventionism?” — & — “Why did ‘Christians’ in this town vote for George W. Bush, the OPPOSITE OF JESUS on foreign interventionism, TWICE?”

John Hagee calls for a preemptive strike on Iran

Fenske on Chuck Norris’ “Would Jesus Support War?” – ‘A God of War’ & ‘*a* Prince of Peace’

My observation: Satan is using US to take out regimes that oppose his one-world government/anti-Christ reign. Be on God’s side. Don’t follow the crowd; follow Jesus. “Come out from them and be separate,” says God. Be holy. Let’s love!

Alex Jones: Qaddafi is another tyrant the globalists can’t control, so they’re going after him. The globalists are running the whole world and mopping up the final few countries they don’t control. They’re knocking over the old puppets, putting new ones in.

EXCELLENT! Cynthia McKinney: Obama’s So Called Humanitarian Aid to Libya is A Disaster: “The American people are being lied to.” Kadafi was standing in the way of a globalist, Mediterranean states alliance with Europe.

Ron Blessed-are-the-PEACEmakers Paul: U.S. War On Libya Totally UnConstitutional | Jesus: Peacemakers = “Children of God”

Col. Bob Bowman: The immorality they’re foisting on this country — We haven’t been the good guys for a long time. The countries we’ve invaded happen to be the few countries in the world that are not part of the Rothschilds’ banking cartel.

Pastor Chuck Baldwin: Will Evangelicals Ever Admit They Were Duped by Bush?

Reverse-Christian George W. Bush: ‘D___ right’ I personally ordered waterboarding — When will evangelicals admit they were wrong, voting for this known Skull and Bonesman for even his 2nd term?

[Reverse-Christianity] Torture and the American Conscience: Most white ‘Christian’ evangelicals and white Catholics condone torture

President Bush — “Bad Fruits versus Good Fruits” List

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

The Boot-Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!!

Michael Franti: Bomb the World (”Power to the Peaceful!”)

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

(video) The Grace Changers: Calvinist Mark Driscoll Exposed — “Mark Driscoll’s popularity is proof that we are in a deep dark church apostacy now!”

Once-saved-always-saved (and “it’s hard to lose one’s salvation”) is destroying this nation — as well as keeping the desperately needed Third Great Awakening from happening.

OSAS is even affecting a church in Anchorage that I know well, which used to teach the truth. They used to even hold up Ephesians 4:11-16 as their goal.

Bad doctrine is producing bad churches:

Kevin Conner: Doctrine Determines the Health of the Church

Kevin Conner on the Believer’s CONDITIONAL Security: “OBEDIENCE IS the very law of SECURITY for all created beings. There can be NO SUCH THING as UNCONDITIONAL security.”

We’re being NIVd:

NIV alterations that greatly affect Christian doctrine — including my pet peeves. The NIV is destroying the church! Here’s proof.

Jeff Fenske

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-_Anp-LLGE]Calvinist MARK DRISCOLL (of Mars Hill) EXPOSED

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http://www.nocalvinism.org

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/calvinismrefuted.htm Though popular, the real Mark Driscoll is a spiritual snare to people. He is a shock jock who says unusual things which have caused people to examine him out of curiosity.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
or
http://www.noeternalsecurity.com

Please see http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/MarkDriscoll.htm for the Transcript, Observations and Comments For The Mark Driscoll vs. Dan Corner Eternal Security Debate.

See also the Skull and Crossbones award that Driscoll so richly deserves http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/mark_driscoll.htm

Related:

[Video] Dan Corner Interview: The Believer’s Conditional Security

Dan Corner’s 801-page book: “The Believer’s Conditional Security”

[Video] Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

[Why God tarries] The vindictive behavior in the post below is also true of many pastors: Instead of admitting they were wrong and getting right with those they’ve hurt, they vilify the peacemakers — How long to sing this song? It’s up to us!

Being vindictive is bad enough in politics. And is even worse when the politicians openly call themselves ‘Christians,’ like in the post below.

But when those who accept the role of being spokesmen for God, pastors — when they vilify those whom God sent to help them, instead of embracing the truth so real Christianity can happen in our midst — this is so tragic, and this is at the heart of why America is going down while the world watches our demise — wondering what happened.

Church leaders are called to set the standard by what they teach and the lives they live — which would have saved America….

I’ve experienced this firsthand. God prompts certain people to help unity happen among Christians, Jesus’ heartcry for us in John 17 — so the world will then know. But hardhearted pastors, instead of embracing the truth so healing and revival can occur, and so they can even go to heaven — instead, behind the person’s back, they try to tear down the messenger’s character so no one will believe him. I discovered that I was being called ‘divisive,’ for example — when I was just a normal family member who cared enough to say something, instead of looking the other way.

This ‘church’ is all split up, family members everywhere, dismayed and disgruntled, wondering what happened and why it’s taking so long to fix the problem — when things were going so well and were prophesied to get much better, like they should. And we should expect nothing less! Many aren’t even serving God; though, the unrepentant leaders couldn’t be partially responsible. No, no, no — not according to them.

Churches can become dysfunctional just like families can. In dysfunctional families, only the enablers continue in good standing — those who keep their mouths shut — or better yet, those who defend the abusers from the problem solvers’ solutions that would require real change so love can happen again.

And then the enablers become the abusers too.

But throughout, God is not mocked. He can’t be fooled. And we’ll reap what we’ve sown, both now and in eternity.

God is waiting for us to abide in Him, while leadership is actually blaming God for His apparent distance, saying God will sovereignly move when He wants to move. Though God has been wanting to move all along — which is real Christianity — God giving grace to the humble.

“God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.” God wants so much to empower and fill us. He’s been ready and waiting all of this time. He wants revival to come! But it’s totally up to us:

My 1990 Key-to-Revival Prophecy: “There is might and there is power and there is glory, but it is being withheld until these relationships are made right, until we love our brother enough to…”

How many more will die, going who-knows-where, and how much further will America fall before pastors get right with those they’ve hurt?

In the words of U2:

How long to sing this song
How long to sing this song
How long…how long…how long…
How long…to sing this song

It’s up to us to get this thing going. God isn’t going to make people obey Him.

Sincerely, from the heart,

Jeff Fenske
Anchorage, Alaska — where we should have our act together

Related:

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”

The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.

The Didache (70-100 AD): Reconciliation was required to attend early church meetings! “How upside-down the ‘church’ is today.”

Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!

My theory on the Nephilim: When God told the Children of Israel to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan (the giants), there was this Genesis-6, demon-contaminated genetic problem again? Israel did not; and then there was intermarriage. This would explain why so many seem to be predisposed towards evil — and they become our leaders — even of churches?!!

This may be the most controversial concept I’ll suggest at this site, but it’s a theory that explains so much, that I must finally share this view that I’ve been considering for about a few decades.

How is it that we can write about issues so clearly, proving them beyond the shadow of a doubt, yet many reject them wholesale, like the very clear doctrine of who really goes to heaven, for example?

No one can refute Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?, and once-saved-always-saved has been soundly refuted by many, yet this great deception is still mainstream in America — which I believe is the number one cause for our Republic’s destruction. When the ‘Christians’ cease being salt and light, thinking they don’t have to truly be in Christ….

Certainly, the demons that affect most ‘Christians’ are a huge factor. I have an entire category called “Demons in Christians,” in which there are almost 60 posts, currently. I show how demons can absolutely be in Christians. Most have many. This is a huge problem, and certainly this is true of non-Christians as well. Demons empower people to commit and then justify their sins. Most people don’t live holy enough to be free.

And James talks about how ‘Christians’ can actually curse people, what I call James-3 curses. ‘Christians’ can actually wish/pray things on others from their hearts. But these are ‘prayers’/curses that demons answer, not God. And these demons can set the course for people’s lives.

But demons in ‘Christians’ doesn’t by itself explain why so many ‘Christians’ just don’t get it, no matter how clearly we put out the truth. And to make things worse, it seems that today’s church leaders are almost universally unable to understand what is really true about key, basic doctrines. They also seem to be among those most apt to James-3 curse God’s people whom they consider are challenges to their power, for example: Dennis Cramer: “Most ‘Christians’ curse for the purpose of retaliation and vindication … ‘Christian’ leaders are even more vulnerable”

I personally have probably been cursed by ‘church’ leaders more than any other group of people. It’s fierce, which I show here.

It seems to me, having been a Christian for more than 35 years, that there is something more going on here. Why are most church leaders not even really Christlike, yet few will fully step down and let those who truly are led by the Spirit lead.

They maintain their position by James-3 cursing those whom they see threaten their position of power. They’ll pray against those who would start legitimate churches in which Jesus Christ would be Head — and they’ll vote Republican no matter what, supporting every reverse-Christian war — totally ignoring Ron Paul, the peacemaker. They don’t seem to understand at all how the second greatest commandment applies to our neighbors overseas too. They just don’t get it, and they’ll hardly ever apologize to anyone they’ve hurt, totally ignoring Paul’s elders’ qualifications that overseers MUST be blameless. They seem to have no fear of God. How can this be?

How can church leaders say one thing and do another? And how can they so readily dismiss clear prophecies given to them by those who have been so careful to accurately hear?

And they’ll even lie to cover up what they’ve done, instead of coming clean so we can become ONE in Christ — so God can move among us as His body. How can they lie, knowing what the Bible so clearly says about what happens to all liars? There is mischief in their hearts (Psalm 28), but on the outside they act like everything is okay, “ha, ha, ha” laughing.

Is it possible that many people have a greater propensity for evil based upon their bloodlines, and therefore they force themselves into these power, limelight positions?

I’ve actually put my Nephilim theory aside for many recent years, because I really don’t want to minimize what any person can do. But I’ve just seen too often some people just don’t act like full people. John Prine put it this way:

Some humans ain’t human
Some people ain’t kind
You open up their hearts
And here’s what you’ll find
A few frozen pizzas
Some ice cubes with hair
A broken Popsicle
You don’t want to go there

Watch him sing it here:

John Prine: “Some Humans Ain’t Human” — Austin City Limits

Biblically, this is how I think it comes down. This is a good background reference from which I’ll quote; though, they don’t go exactly where I do: Notes on the Nephilim: The Giants of Old, which is a collection of seven writings by these seven authors: James Montgomery Boice | Henry Morris | Chuck Missler | Ray C. Stedman | Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum | Rick Lanser | Bob Deffingbaugh, Th.M.

Genesis 6

1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 that God’s sons [bene elohim*] saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose. 3 Yahweh said, “My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart. 7 Yahweh said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the surface of the ground; man, along with animals, creeping things, and birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in Yahweh’s eyes.

9 This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless [his human genes weren’t altered by this spirit-sexual invasion, some say] among the people of his time. Noah walked with God. 10 Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 God saw the earth, and saw that it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

13 God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

* bene elohim, from: Notes on the Nephilim

The phrase “sons of God” (bene elohim) is used only three other times in the Testament, as indicated earlier-in Job 1:6; 2:1; and 38:7. In each case it clearly means spirit beings

The most common interpretation (backed by the Book of Enoch, a non-biblical, but still important work) has been that fallen angles had sex with human women, who bore hybrid offspring who were part demon and part human. And therefore the huge gap between the evil that prevailed in Noah’s day and the righteousness of Noah, himself, whose bloodline was kept pure, from which Jesus was born. I would say all mankind after the flood, but according to Genesis 6, this bizarre union between demons and humans happened again after the flood, which is why God told the Children of Israel to kill all of the giants in the Land of Canaan. Why else would He say that?

Chuck Missler from Notes on the Nephilim

7. Post-Flood Implications

The strange offspring also continued after the flood: “There were Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that…” (25) The “Sethite” view fails to meaningfully address the prevailing conditions “also after that.” It offers no insight into the presence of the subsequent “giants” in the land of Canaan.

One of the disturbing aspects of the Old Testament record was God’s instructions, upon entering the land of Canaan, to wipe out every man, woman, and child of certain tribes inhabiting the land. This is difficult to justify without the insight of a “gene pool problem” from the remaining Nephilim, Rephaim, et al., which seems to illuminate the difficulty.

So this is what I think could have actually happened. After the flood, after God wiped out the demon-contaminated gene pool, the Nephilim strange offspring breeding happened again. Caleb reported there were giants. This time, God told the children of Israel to wipe out every man, woman and child, to take care of this gene pool contamination problem. But Israel did not, and eventually even interbred with the Nephilim.

So today, many, if not most people (according to this theory) have some demon in their genetics; though, probably less than the 50% ratio that the original Nephilim had, who were so evil that God decided to wipe them all out in the flood, and then have the children of Israel kill them all, when it happened again (though they did not).

These are the scoundrels, who force their way to most of the top political, corporate and power positions, including church leadership.

They can lie without even hardly feeling guilty. The root of all evil, the love of money often drives them in one way or another — and they’ll James-3 curse those who they see are a threat to their power — those who would lead the country, businesses and churches justly, under God — not just saying they are.

They’ll think that those who aren’t demon-gene contaminated are weird, actually calling for real holiness and real integrity — that we would actually really treat our neighbors (even those overseas) as we would ourselves.

And the minority, who aren’t demon-gene contaminated can more easily see. Many have also been deceived into swimming in the mainstream current that is taking US down, but writings like my own make sense to them. And they, like me are have a hard time realizing why humans, who are supposed to be created in the image of God are not more wise.

I don’t want to name any names, but I can think of a particular talk show host that many Republicans listen to who is clearly not one of us; though, he acts like he’s the gift of God to America. Bush could do know wrong, according to Him: all of the reverse-Christian wars and the Constitution gutting policies — the bankster bailout — and even laughing about torture! And President George W. Bush ran as a Christian. And few were wise enough and Biblical enough to see through the facade that he and so many wear.

Who really is a Christian? Who are the children of God, really? Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

Those of us who can see should stick together and get ONE happening. If we don’t lead who will — the same old same old who are leading US into the pit?

Once ONE happens (John 17), then many will see and follow as God’s glory literally falls, and perhaps many will even get gene transplants, which I’ve thought of as a very real possibility.

Another key thing to learn here. This should help us have more compassion for those of us who are so evil to us without cause. Maybe they really just are predisposed, based upon their altered genetics, to evil, and it really is much harder for them to see.

And as we forgive fully, then their curses have no right to stick onto us — and we can all be free!

It seems that America is going down fast, but the church can rise up, and this can be the greatest adventure of our entire lives — ONE with each other in Christ.

Jesus wants to be the head of the church. All church leaders must be truly submitted to Him, or they can’t even be real Christians, let alone qualified to lead, being ‘blameless,’ Paul said. And “those who are Christ’s have crucified their flesh.”

Many pastors are simply confidence-men (con-men). They can tell a good story — and laugh “ha, ha, ha” — as a substitute for the Holy Spirit moving…. What we need are leaders who can lead us to worship God in Spirit and in truth — those whom God chooses to lead.

Then the end will come, after the Gospel (the real Gospel) is preached around the world. Now we’re mostly spreading a cheap imitation in which God isn’t even involved.

May we be ONE.

Then the world will know.

Jeff Fenske

Related:

I touched upon this in 2007: Fenske on Chuck Norris’ “Would Jesus Support War?” – ‘A God of War’ & ‘*a* Prince of Peace’

Could this have been true of John Calvin and Martin Luther, whose misinterpretations of Paul’s teaching on salvation are mainstream today? They were clearly Biblically disqualified to lead, yet many follow their doctrine?

John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds: An Anabaptist speaks out on Martin Luther and John Calvin

Martin Luther: Sin Boldly — “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”

Luther: Let us BANISH the epistle of James, for it is ‘WORTHLESS’ — written by a non-Christian and can’t be reconciled with Paul

[ video ] Is Pope Francis the LAST POPE? Tom Horn & Cris Putnam on It’s Supernatural with Sid Roth – Tom and Cris also talk about the Nephilim, UFOs, and Catholic research.

Delusional preacher Harold Camping says May 21st to be the Rapture and Judgment Day — Caller asks Camping: “On May 22nd, do they [contributors to Family Radio who believed this hoax] get a refund?”

Jesus
(Mark 13:32-33)

“But of that day or that hour no one knows,
not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Watch, keep alert, and pray;
for you don’t know when the time is.”

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9acwNHKvoo]Harold Camping says Millions will die on May 21, 2011

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Harold Camping proclaims the rapture will happen on May 21, 2011. He say’s if you don’t believe “his” prediction with all your heart, then you will be left behind to face the wrath of God.

Moreover, according to the Jewish tradition of that day, the betrothal was a common form of wedding. In this tradition we see that the “FATHER” of the bridegroom was the only one who knew at what time he would send out the BRIDEGROOM (Jesus) his son to take the BRIDE (true church/saints) to live with Him.

So Jesus was giving a parable of His return and applying it in an applicable context to the culture of that day.

What a wonderful God!

Yes, Christ is coming back, but he doesn’t reveal the date of his coming because even he doesn’t know, only the Father knows the exact timing when to send back his Son to catch up the saints.

Please watch out for these false prophets, there will be plenty more as the real day approaches.

Related:

12 Reasons NOT To Expect a PRE-Trib Rapture

Alex Jones: The pre-trib rapture doctrine is a big, sickening, psyop, bringing US into tyranny! “Most of you are a bunch of torture loving, war loving people…”

Gandhi?: “I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

“I like your Christ;
I do not like your Christians.

Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

– Mahatma Gandhi

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Since posting, I have found that some dispute that Gandhi said this. I found the following:

I can’t find any source for him stating the quote as such. I did find a book, The Knights Templar & the Protestant Reformation, which states that when Stanley Jones, a missionary met with Ghandi he asked him:

Mr. Gandhi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?

Gandhi replied:

Oh, I don’t reject Christ. I love Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ.

The book seems to have a reference, although I can’t check what it is as the references page is not on Google Books.

The quote seems to be from the book Mr. Gandhi, the man by Millie Graham Polak although the book is not viewable online.

Searching the book for the first part of the passage quoted in the knights templar book, “Is Mr. Gandhi a Christian?” returns a hit, although searching for “stanley jones” or “reject christ” does not.

In The Christ of the Indian Road by E. Stanley Jones, Stanley Jones asked Gandhi how to naturalize Christianity into India. Gandhi replied in part:

I would suggest first of all that all of you Christians, missionaries and all begin to live more like Jesus Christ.

This could be in part where the quote came from, if it was never said directly by Gandhi.

Given the amount of consistent references to the quote being said in reply to a question from Stanley Jones, I think it is likely something very similar to the oft quoted passage was said. I can’t find anything online that shows this for certain and don’t have access to the books where the quote may appear to check, so it’s hard to say for sure.

Dave A. responds in a comment to this post (below):

The information I have so far attributes the proximate statement in Stanley’s book to Bara Dada and not to Gandhi. I have a first edition copy of “Mr. Gandhi the Man” by Polak (1931) and I assure you that the Gandhi quote is NOT in that book. He speaks to his friend about his attraction to Christianity and the possibility of becoming Christian himself. His reasons for not doing so, he explains, have to do with his sense that he has found, in his “native” Hindu religion, all of the essential values that Christianity promotes. He is in a sense a universalist, believing that a path to God can be found in every major religion. There are no disparaging remarks about Christians in the book. Gandhi’s history is one of reconciliation and marshalling people from many faith communities to promote freedom and justice. That work began in earnest in South Africa, where he brought Christians together with other adherents for his social justice work.

Related:
Gandhi Used His Position To Sexually Exploit Young Women
As a teacher of nonviolence, Gandhi advocated the right to bear arms; use of ‘violence’ to defend innocents against bullying, oppression
Gandhi on Forgiving: “Nobody can hurt me without my permission”

Dan Corner: What's wrong with today's gospel — Eternal security is false, no matter how popular! Actual audio quotes from big name teachers

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbZYcRE-Fs]What’s wrong with today’s gospel Pt 1 (Eternal Security is false) No once saved always saved

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http://www.dancorner.com

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal-security.htm
Dan Corner exposes and refutes the false gospel and counterfeit grace of eternal security. Hear actual audio quotes from big name teachers and a sound biblical refutation of the devil’s lie of once saved always saved aka eternal security
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
or
http://www.noeternalsecurity.com

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Dan Corner’s 801-page book: “The Believer’s Conditional Security”
 
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[Video] Joe Schimmel: The Great Deception—Once Saved, Always Saved
 
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God? (what the Bible really says about who goes to heaven)
 
(video) Dan Corner: True Grace Vs False Grace — Charles Stanley’s security in sin: “You cannot out-sin the grace of God” Vs Jesus: “He who endures to the end will be saved”
 
(video) Dan Corner: Prodigal Son — “My son was dead, and is alive again! He was lost, and is found!”
 
(cartoon) The Prodigal Son
 
(audio) Dan Corner: “If you’re lusting in your heart, you are an adulterer, and you won’t inherit the kingdom”
 
John Calvin Had Servetus Burned at the Stake for Having Doctrinal Differences — His Ashes Cry Out!
 
(audio) Dan Corner: The parable of the sower — “Bringing forth fruit is a salvation issue”
 
(video) The Grace Changers: Calvinist Mark Driscoll Exposed — “Mark Driscoll’s popularity is proof that we are in a deep dark church apostacy now!”
 
What about the thief on the cross? He wasn’t required to do works | ‘Sweaty ministry’ VS “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me…”
 
Father of Calvinism, Augustine’s Prayer To Mary For His Salvation

[Biblically disqualified to lead] Chuck Missler laughs about his intentional lie — Has eternal security seared his conscience? Dan Corner thinks so.

Could it be that once-saved-always-saved
is at least partially searing church leaders’ consciences?

Is this why these grace changers won’t repent,
and won’t get right with those they’ve hurt,
believing their own lie —
a doctrine of demons?

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATaCt9IgwqA]CHUCK MISSLER EXPOSED Eternal Security Conscience Seared Liars

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http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/chuck_missler.htm Powerful and shocking expose of Chuck Missler, a very popular teacher of our dark day. Check the web site for much more info refuting the false gospel and counterfeit grace message of eternal security.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
or
http://www.EOMin.org
or
http://www.noeternalsecurity.com

* * *

This grace changing, false teacher at work,
saying the statement Corner addresses above,
and that the alternative to ES is to be under the law.

Hogwash:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_zEGJoE_Q]Eternal Security

Related:

[WordPOWER] Jesus: Where ‘all liars’ go (pastors included) — Revelation 21:8

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

So Many Layers of Lies

The quote below is also true of the ‘church’ and the vast majority of pastors.

Thus lying is epidemic in America.

If the pastors, who are supposed to be salt and light lie, how can we expect the media, the politicians and everyone else to not lie?

jeff

——

“There’s such a tissue of lies
that how do you even educate people
in how they’re being lied to
when there are so many layers of lies?”

– Alex Jones

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from
The Alex Jones Show 4/14/11

Related:

Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified

AMERICA LED BY LIARS! Brazen Brzezinski admits outright that the U.S. LIES — What we SAY vs what we DO “as a matter of practice” — Just like the PASTORS — though they won’t yet admit it

Popularity & Lying: The ‘Best’ Liars the Most Popular?

Brandi Chastain: Lying to Win — America’s End-Justifies-the-Means Morality

Lying: What’s politically acceptable vs. what’s Biblically acceptable

[WordPOWER!] James — Demons WITHIN drive ‘Christians’ to curse people. “If you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition IN YOUR HEART” you’re probably a James-3 curser. If so, “don’t lie against the truth.” Instead, be a PEACEMAKER, “for they shall be called children of God.” – Jesus

Select Lying Quotes

[WordPOWER!] Better to Be a Poor Man than a Liar — Getting Treasure by Lying is a Fleeting

Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?

AMERICA LED BY LIARS! Brazen Brzezinski admits outright that the U.S. LIES — What we SAY vs what we DO "as a matter of practice" — Just like the PASTORS — though they won't yet admit it

Pastors,
repent and come clean!

Fall on the Rock
or the Rock will fall on you.

What are you waiting for?

You’re leading by example.
and it doesn’t look good.

You are responsible
for the fall of America.

* * *

The Sheep Stealers Rob the Sheep —
Hypocrites Cannot Lead

Let Us Be ONE prophecy, Part 5 of 33

The sin in the body is great. The sin in the body is evident to all who watch from afar. They don’t want to go in and see the yuck. Why should they?

There is plenty, and it will take time to clean up the mess; and many will see that you are My body. I will be glad. You will be one in Me.

The highway is great. Many travel on it: the ‘Way of Happiness,’ but it leads to destruction. They act like nothing is wrong. The sheep stealers rob the sheep, unawares. They teach them vain imaginations and lead them astray, where destruction awaits those who disobey. It is in the Word.

Read Psalm 26.* David was a man of integrity. He was in the Holy Ghost, awaiting for Me to lead him into truth, until he fell. His fall was great, because he failed to wait on Me. He let lust take over, rule his heart. He fell so hard the whole nation crumbled, aghast at what they saw, cringing, because of David’s sin.

It can happen like this. For there is hurt in the body. The hurt is great. Many hate each other and call it love. Hypocrites cannot rule. They must be in Me to lead. The sheep are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

Faint not, My people. Lean on Me. Come back to where you belong, in My arms. I will hold you where you will not faint, where the wolves will not devour, but there must be love. Love conquers all. Love conquers hate, and brings life.

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Transcribed by Jeff Fenske
ToBeFree

Now today, it seems to me, the United States is right in saying that it shouldn’t take the lead in arming the rebels and even being in the forefront of the military initiative. But quietly, we can certainly do a lot. And I think our allies, who have taken the lead are dependent on us in that respect.

So there can be a slight gap [Brzezinski even lies about the gap being slight], not total contradiction, [Brzezinski smiles] if I may say so, between words and actions. I think the posture should be that we’re in the back seat. As a matter of practice, I think we can be doing a lot more.

– Zbigniew Brzezinski
4/3/11 on CNN

Lying admission at 2-minute mark

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hrnim6fmI4]Zbigniew Brzezinski On CNN About Libya

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Airing Date April.03, 2011

Related:
Lying: What’s politically acceptable vs. what’s Biblically acceptable
Asbury Revival, 1970: “‘Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?’ … Three days later, she came to me radiant, and she said, ‘Dr. Kinlaw, I’m free!’”
Paul’s Elders’ qualifications revisited: What does ‘BLAMELESS’ mean? — Most pastors are biblically disqualified
Can ‘Christians’ use Paul’s “Forgetting the things which are behind…I press on” statement as an excuse to not get right with those they’ve hurt? Paul also said: “I also practice ALWAYS having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.” What if you don’t repent? And what will happen when you do? The Third Great Awakening can start with us!!! We can all be happy — ‘ONE’!
The Welsh Revival of 1904-05 by J. Edwin Orr: A Countrywide Asbury-like REVIVAL! The 4 Points: #1 Confess any known sin, and put any wrong done to man right again. #2 Put away any doubtful habit. #3 Obey the Spirit promptly. #4 Confess your faith publicly.
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
Let Us Be ONE Index — a 34-part prophecy

“My 7 Years Working for The Elijah List” — Ear-tickling messages coddling people into deceptive slumber: Positive-encouraging-words-only philosophy; the misinterpretation of Matt. 7:1-5 (not judging); the misuse of the term 'Grace' …. The end result of prophecy should be God’s people repenting.

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Prophecy Disinfo Central —
The Elijah List Exposed!

I asked to be removed from The Elijah List over a decade ago
after being so disappointed,
seeing fluff-words with no meat —
no serious calls to repentance and righteousness.
I could smell a rat.

Kevin calls this their
“encouraging words only” philosophy —
which is similar to a radio station’s jingle:
“positive-encouragement K-LOVE.”

False prophets are saying
ear-tickling messages that are
coddling people into deceptive slumber.

The Elijah List has been prophecy disinfo central.
Thankfully, Kevin explains what’s going on.

Whereas the prophecies I have on this site
are real prophecies —
quite different.

For example, a prophecy given to me:
“Let Us Be ONE”
&
The Red Gate Prophecy —
What If I Open It Just a Little Bit?

Also, please see:
Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures —
Narrow is the Way |
Who are the Children of God?

Ministries like The Elijah List
are largely responsible for the seriously sick state
of the church
and our nation.

We’re supposed to be light —
not a black hole!

Jeff Fenske
Life in the Son!

* * *

From: JohnTheBaptist.tv

“My 7 Years Working for the Elijah List” –
by Kevin Kleint

In The Beginning

It’s been about 3 years since I ended my employment with the Elijah List.

[…]

Let me take a small side road: For the record, I am NOT against manifestations. I’ve been “slain in the Spirit”, had Holy Laughter hit me and even physically reacted to the Holy Spirit. Believe me, when God (the Creator of the Universe) touches dirt (you and I), something is going to move. But if God touches us, there is going to be a change, a transformation, a healing of SOME sort. These people who “manifest” outwardly without becoming more and more like Him are NOT under the influence of the Holy Spirit (it’s another kind of spirit). I’ve known several people like this, who can twitch in the middle of WalMart, but have the personality of a troll. They claim to be so in tune with God, but the fruit of their lives speaks otherwise.

Mammon and the Fear of Man

Occasionally, a contributor would send us a “word” with content that didn’t necessarily jibe with the Elijah List’s “encouraging words only” philosophy. Trying to stick with the “encouragement only” philosophy, Steve would have to write introductions (sometimes 3-4 paragraphs long) to the words and try to “play down” the corrective/repentance-based element of the email. There would usually be an effort to direct people to God’s “softer” side. Occasionally, certain “offending” sentences in the submission would be completely re-worded prior to release. These subtle, and sometimes flagrant, manipulations would usually upset the contributor, especially the more “idealistic” ones.

The last time I checked the Bible, a prophet was told not to regard man’s opinion and give the Word of God…. Undiluted.

It was clear to me that, during this phase, the focus had shifted. Mammon and the Fear of Man had become the “god” of the Elijah List. I say this because, from what I experienced, every effort was made to make more money and to please man. Words were released based upon the popularity of the contributor and the profit to be made from the products they sold — not on the truthfulness or relevance the words held.

[…]

Touch NOT His Anointed?

Leadership in the prophetic movement, including the Elijah List, has constructed a cleverly crafted wall of deception that has kept them above accountability and immune from criticism and reproach. This wall of deception revolves around the misinterpretation and the misapplication of Matt. 7:1-5 (not judging) and other verses like it.

As a result, no one is able to say that they (the “prophets”) are doing anything wrong. If someone should mention that they see anything wrong with the behavior or deeds of the “prophets”, they are immediately told that they are not walking in love, and that we should give “grace” to the prophet (more on this later). They’re also told that we shouldn’t judge, because we do not want to be judged in like manner … that we should remove the plank from our own eye, rather than point out someone else’s faults (more on this later). And because we put these leaders on a pedestal (in essence, “idolizing” them), it’s really easy for most people to swallow this reasoning and to ignore the sin.

This dynamic also carries over into the church’s relationships with each other, individually. We’re all afraid to say anything about the sin in each others lives because we don’t want to be perceived as “judgmental” or “mean”. Because of this fear, sin in the Body goes unchecked and actually thrives! Why do you think our divorce, abortion, porn use, and drug abuse statistics are equal to the world? Because there is no purity, no holiness, and no Holy Spirit’s Fire in our congregations! Do you know witches and satanists can actually come into our “houses of worship” and feel comfortable? God have mercy on us!

The following verses are conveniently downplayed and/or ignored by the “prophets” and their followers:

  • 1 Cor. 6:3 “Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?” – This verse allows us to discern/judge issues concerning this life.
  • 1 Cor. 6:5 “I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?” – This verse allows us to judge issues between brethren.
  • 1 Cor.  11:31 “For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.” – This verse allows us to judge the sin in our own lives.

To Rebuke, or NOT to Rebuke?

Not only does the bible say we are to judge behavior/issues, it also gives us permission to REBUKE!

  • Luke 17:3 “Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.” – This verse allows us to rebuke our brother/sister who is in sin.
  • 1 Titus 5:20 “Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.” – This verse allows us to rebuke an ELDER who is in sin (read prior scriptures for backup).
  • 2 Timothy 4:2 – “Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.” – This verse allows us rebuke as a vital part of our preaching!
  • Titus 2:15 –  “Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.” – This verse allows us to rebuke with authority!

Most ministries associated with the Elijah List, the “prophetic” church, and much of the rest of the church, can’t stand it when you bring up these scriptures, because then the possibility of exposed sin creeps its way into their salvation equation. The weirdest thing is, they want to keep the sin hidden, and yet they wonder why they are some of the most battered, bruised and confused people in the church. I experienced it too! During my 7 years at the Elijah List, I had never experienced such defeat, sickness and confusion in my whole life! Whenever one experiences this, they are told that they are just experiencing “spiritual warfare” … that it’s enemy’s fault they are experiencing this trauma. That sounds great to a carnal mind, I mean, after all … who wants to take the blame?

[…]

Grace or Licentiousness?

If the Wall of Deception is the misuse of judgment-based scriptures, then the misuse of the term “Grace” is the mortar that holds it together.  Grace is a very nebulous term in prophetic circles and is used to replace “mercy” or “covering sin” in most conversations.  According to Steve Shultz, the Elijah List’s whole philosophy and foundation revolves around this grace.  But when you listen to him preach about grace, usually you walk away with a skewed understanding of it.  The “main idea” being that we should be nice to people because God loves them, and after all, He was nice to you, so you need to do likewise. This isn’t necessarily a wrong idea, but this isn’t “grace”, and it also plays in to the mindset of not judging anyone’s actions, thereby strengthening the Wall of Deception.

Let’s see what the Word says about Grace in Titus 2:11-15:

  • v11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
  • v12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
  • v13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
  • v14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
  • v15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

So, from the verses above, I know that if you preach a message of Grace, you need to be teaching a few things.

  • Deny ungodliness and worldly lusts
  • Live soberly and righteously in the present age
  • Look for Jesus’ return
  • (from v14) Be aware of His Work on the cross and how he sought a pure and holy people

What’s more, the message is to be preached (spoke, exhort, rebuke) with Authority. You will not find the above concepts taught in most “grace” messages these days. Unfortunately, what you’ll mostly hear about is more along the lines of “mercy” and how God wants to be your buddy. And to a church culture with itching ears, this is wonderful news! Because Jesus is their buddy, they won’t have to live righteously! They won’t have to live soberly! God has “GRACE” for all of those things!

As a result, licentiousness (unrestrained flesh) reigns supreme in our lives.

Accuracy please?

… In Jeremiah 23:21-22, God tells the prophet a vital characteristic of True Prophecy:

I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, And had caused My people to hear My words, Then they would have turned them from their evil way And from the evil of their doings.

The end result of all prophecy should be God’s people repenting …. turning their hearts back to God. Nowadays, teachings on “third heaven experiences”, “the glory realm” and “breakthrough” are labeled as prophecy. Do you see how even our definition of prophecy has become “man-centered”?

[…]

“Fathers” of the Prophetic Movement

It is not my intention to pick on specific people with this next section. I am using Bob Jones and Paul Cain as examples to show that perversion and error has had a firm foothold from the roots of this movement and is being passed on directly to the “younger” generation of prophets and their followers, who revere the “older” prophets unquestioningly, because they’ve been taught to do so.

[…]

Lack of Discernment has a Price

The hard truth is today’s false prophets and their followers boast of great prophetic insights, but actually have little or no discernment at all.

During my 7 years working for the Elijah List (and my 5 years at the Vineyard), I had so many encounters with people influenced by witchcraft (to varying degrees), pornography and the homosexual spirit, and yet NOTHING was said or done about it. As I said before, witches attended these conferences and church services, leaving unconvicted and unsaved. People with homosexual spirits and/or admitted pornography addictions were allowed to give “prophetic words” from the pulpit, unchallenged.

That is sin, people.

[…]

Love’s True Definition

The true prophets in the Old and New Testament had it right! They LOVED their nation to the point where they would say what God told them to say, even if it meant becoming the object of ridicule and disdain in the eyes of those whom they loved. Their Love begged people to repent and turn back to God, not to continue in their ways and hope to get the next “third heaven experience”. They had no concern for the number of followers they had, what conferences they were invited to, or the bottom line $$. They didn’t say ear-tickling messages that would coddle people into a deceptive slumber; they left that to the false prophets, who ALWAYS had a “positive and encouraging” thing to say.

It’s because of this Love, that I absolutely must write this. …

Entire Article Here
Related:
Gene Bacon: Judgement on the Prophets — FALSE PROPHETS tell the people what they want to hear. TRUE PROPHETS WILL WARN saints to turn from their wicked ways rather than telling them EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY in spite of their sin. There is a CORRUPT TEACHING of EXTREME GRACE that claims that Jesus forgave all our sins, past, present, and future at the cross.

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